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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #525 on: June 25, 2020, 06:14 AM »
Markdown has the option to tag, highlight, and comment as well? Wow! That I need to try out. Through, I would very much prefer a menu bar for this, probably mainly because that is what I am used to since a long time.
Variety of conventions so best to know what is actually being inserted,  but menu bar is easier and many apps have one.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #526 on: June 25, 2020, 06:36 AM »
Foam is a personal knowledge management and sharing system inspired by Roam Research, built on Visual Studio Code and GitHub:
https://foambubble.github.io/foam/

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #527 on: June 25, 2020, 07:23 AM »
Markdown has the option to tag, highlight, and comment as well? Wow! That I need to try out. Through, I would very much prefer a menu bar for this, probably mainly because that is what I am used to since a long time.
Variety of conventions so best to know what is actually being inserted,  but menu bar is easier and many apps have one.

I am interested and will research these options a bit. Congratulation on your 1500th post. :-)

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #528 on: June 25, 2020, 09:02 AM »
So, general question about Zettels- do you maintain more than one for different aspects?  Or just break up stuff within based on tags and folders?

Foam is a personal knowledge management and sharing system inspired by Roam Research, built on Visual Studio Code and GitHub:
https://foambubble.github.io/foam/

Another great one.  Thanks!
« Last Edit: June 25, 2020, 09:14 AM by wraith808 »

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #529 on: June 25, 2020, 03:51 PM »
built on Visual Studio Code and GitHub:
This seems to be a little similar another one

Stunning how many there are popping up
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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #530 on: June 25, 2020, 04:12 PM »
So, general question about Zettels- do you maintain more than one for different aspects?  Or just break up stuff within based on tags and folders?
I don't see myself as having zettels, though my system is heavily influenced,  as are all the newly available programs.

Ideally, I would have one only  - and may do that ultimately.
Everything is dependent on the technology.

I have sets of folders for my writing, but all within the one Obsidian vault. Only separated to make them easier to access with other programs.

I may have a separate vault for files I need to keep secure. Or don't want to back up online &etc. I haven't worked this out yet. I'd prefer to have them together,  but security matters more. Depends on what I decide is the best solution.

If I'd gone with Roam,  my writing would be outside as would chunks of the other notes and documents.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #531 on: June 25, 2020, 09:47 PM »
built on Visual Studio Code and GitHub:
This seems to be a little similar another one

Stunning how many there are popping up

That's not a different one.  It's used by Foam.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #532 on: June 25, 2020, 10:13 PM »
foam could be a winner.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #533 on: June 25, 2020, 10:40 PM »
What I'm doing right now is a combination of things.  I took the extensions from foam but used the format of obsidian- I write in obsidian or in vs code.  Really liking it so far.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #534 on: June 25, 2020, 10:55 PM »
What I'm doing right now is a combination of things.  I took the extensions from foam but used the format of obsidian- I write in obsidian or in vs code.  Really liking it so far.
man i am not understanding how to even install foam.  it's an extension of vs code, which is an editor?  these programs are so complicated loll....ill get it sheesh.


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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #535 on: June 26, 2020, 04:31 AM »
built on Visual Studio Code and GitHub:

Stunning how many there are popping up

I just wanted to say that.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #536 on: June 26, 2020, 04:53 AM »
That's not a different one.  It's used by Foam.

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Aha!
I see it now. Obsidian sits over md files, this sits over VS Code and its extensions. Clever.
Apart from the allusion,  I'm unsure what the name is saying. "Sitting above the dirty Tiber"?

Assuming it's functional enough,  I can see it being popular with all the VS Code and Git users, and those who dislike Obsidian being closed source.

But possibly overkill in its requirements for those who aren't.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #537 on: June 26, 2020, 10:22 AM »
What I'm doing right now is a combination of things.  I took the extensions from foam but used the format of obsidian- I write in obsidian or in vs code.  Really liking it so far.
man i am not understanding how to even install foam.  it's an extension of vs code, which is an editor?  these programs are so complicated loll....ill get it sheesh.



1. Go to https://github.com/f...bubble/foam-template
2. Click use thiis template
3. Fill out the name of the repo that you want to use for Foam, and make it private or public as you wish
4. Open VS code.
5. Go to the source control tab and click clone
6. Clone it to your local drive wherever you want your Zettel stored
7. Authenticate to GitHub
8. After it is cloned, it will ask you to install recommended extensions.  Do that (it will change your theme- booo... but you can change it back)
9. There is no 9.  You're there.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #538 on: June 26, 2020, 10:23 AM »
That's not a different one.  It's used by Foam.

Recommended Extensions for Foam
Aha!
I see it now. Obsidian sits over md files, this sits over VS Code and its extensions. Clever.
Apart from the allusion,  I'm unsure what the name is saying. "Sitting above the dirty Tiber"?

Assuming it's functional enough,  I can see it being popular with all the VS Code and Git users, and those who dislike Obsidian being closed source.

But possibly overkill in its requirements for those who aren't.

Both?  Why not both?

Personally, I use both Obsidian and VS code with the extensions.  It just depends on what I'm doing at the time.  There's also the fact that all of those extensions are in alpha.  Obsidian is just more polished.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #539 on: June 26, 2020, 12:55 PM »
Both?  Why not both?

Personally, I use both Obsidian and VS code with the extensions.
No reason not both, except that those who don't use VS Code or Git are unlikely to add them just to run Foam, unless they have a strong motivation.  I think that will limit its pool of potential users.

It will be interesting to see if they have a solution to the much desired block link feature in Roam. That's a pool of users (want block links and outliner design, unwilling to pay anything like $15pm) that doesn't have a good fit at the moment. Not that I have tried all the burgeoning options.

My view is that Roam is in it long-term because its raised the money and has the hype. Also Obsidian because it has experienced developers and a different core user pool. I can see Foam making it too, because its user pool can be differentiated and is likely to be firmly supportive if it works well enough. And there's space for a cheaper Roam; preferably local database with cloud sync. Everything depending on successful implementation.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #540 on: June 26, 2020, 04:59 PM »
I don't think that Foam is trying to compete.  And putting it in the category with the other two seems like conflation.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #541 on: June 26, 2020, 07:08 PM »
conflation
But it specifically talks about being inspired by Roam and zettelkasten. What other category would it go in?
It may not be trying to compete, in which case it won't.
I don't think Obsidian is out to compete either because it's approach is very different,  but it's certainly in a similar space and users compare them.  And they have mentioned Foam.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #542 on: June 26, 2020, 07:54 PM »
What I'm doing right now is a combination of things.  I took the extensions from foam but used the format of obsidian- I write in obsidian or in vs code.  Really liking it so far.
man i am not understanding how to even install foam.  it's an extension of vs code, which is an editor?  these programs are so complicated loll....ill get it sheesh.



1. Go to https://github.com/f...bubble/foam-template
2. Click use thiis template
3. Fill out the name of the repo that you want to use for Foam, and make it private or public as you wish
4. Open VS code.
5. Go to the source control tab and click clone
6. Clone it to your local drive wherever you want your Zettel stored
7. Authenticate to GitHub
8. After it is cloned, it will ask you to install recommended extensions.  Do that (it will change your theme- booo... but you can change it back)
9. There is no 9.  You're there.
1, 2, 3,4 ...check
5: Source control tab unsighted ... should I be looking in VS code or github or...?
6. Clone options ...open in desktop or download as zip. Which? (I downloaded as zip, unzipped and then wondered)
7. Authenticate to Github ... how?
8. I cloned, downloaded as mentioned above, didn't get asked for anything. Opened VS code, opened folder which the clone got unzipped to, still not asked for anything.
   Did have the option of installing 2 extensions(?) tho

Sorry about all the questions, and thanks for your list of instructions.
Probably one step I didn't do right resolves all I'm asking about...would appreciate any help
thanks

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #543 on: June 26, 2020, 08:58 PM »
conflation
But it specifically talks about being inspired by Roam and zettelkasten. What other category would it go in?
It may not be trying to compete, in which case it won't.
I don't think Obsidian is out to compete either because it's approach is very different,  but it's certainly in a similar space and users compare them.  And they have mentioned Foam.

Conflation in that two are reasonably commercial products and one is not.  It's in a similar space, you might compare them- but to say its competing is, I think, not really in Foam's approach, no matter who might mention them.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #544 on: June 26, 2020, 09:05 PM »
1, 2, 3,4 ...check
5: Source control tab unsighted ... should I be looking in VS code or github or...?
6. Clone options ...open in desktop or download as zip. Which? (I downloaded as zip, unzipped and then wondered)
7. Authenticate to Github ... how?
8. I cloned, downloaded as mentioned above, didn't get asked for anything. Opened VS code, opened folder which the clone got unzipped to, still not asked for anything.
   Did have the option of installing 2 extensions(?) tho

Sorry about all the questions, and thanks for your list of instructions.
Probably one step I didn't do right resolves all I'm asking about...would appreciate any help
thanks

In Visual Studio Code in the sidebar there should be an icon for source control.  The shortcut is CTRL+G G.

I've enclosed an image of my sidebar with the button highlighted.  Once you click that all should become clear.

vs_code_sidebar.png

One thing that might not be clear is what you put in the source textbox when it asks you for it- if you go back to github in your repo, at the top of the repo there should be a button that says Clone.  Click it, and copy the url for https (it should be the default one selected when you click the drop down).

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #545 on: June 26, 2020, 10:36 PM »
Thanks Wraith, that sure helped :)
Not so sure about using the URL - I've no idea atm whether notes I'm creating are being synced or not. Perhaps from messing about yesterday I've already used it. 
Will worry about that after seeing how this all note creating/composing works.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #546 on: June 27, 2020, 07:46 AM »
The Notetaking Cold War
Digging into the philosophical roots of the battle between Tiago Forte and Conor White-Sullivan:
https://superorganiz...etaking-cold-war-c7d

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #547 on: June 27, 2020, 07:54 AM »
Scrapbox – a knowledge base built for infinite ideas:
https://scrapbox.io/

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« Reply #548 on: June 27, 2020, 01:04 PM »
Thanks Wraith, that sure helped :)
Not so sure about using the URL - I've no idea atm whether notes I'm creating are being synced or not. Perhaps from messing about yesterday I've already used it. 
Will worry about that after seeing how this all note creating/composing works.

If you were able to proceed from that point, then in order to sync, go to that same button/tab, and click the button to commit and give it some reason that you're commiting.  It should commit to the git repo.  Step by step of me doing it today...

1. Click the highlighted button
Foam_1.pngI'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

2. Click Yes on the Dialog that appears
Foam_2.pngI'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

3. Enter a label that describes (I usually for these use the date and zettel update, i.e. 2020-06-27 Zettel Update
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« Reply #549 on: June 27, 2020, 08:27 PM »
Thanks again Wraith. Very helpful. I reckon it's working now, thanks to you.