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Ha!!  OK, I will give this a shot.

General Software Discussion / Re: Any taskbar hiding applications?
« on: March 10, 2021, 10:01 AM »
You could try Skrommel's PushToShow:

It should hide your Taskbar unless you press the Windows key.

There is also CloseFence:

That one keeps an autohiding Taskbar from accidentally appearing if you hover a bit too close to it.

you should use this opportunity to blow away acdsee.  I've spent much time on these photo viewers, and there is an opportunity here.  I will try this and maybe offer some good feedback.

if you are trying to navigate and view a ton of photos and images, acdsee is the way to go.  Other things like lightroom and stuff are for photographers and are not recommended for just browsing, like this and acdsee.  And even acdsee has had a lot of feature creep.

Acdsee is slow though.  Everything is just kind of sluggish.  That's the only problem really.

Another area that needs improvement is what they call Digital Asset Management.  Basically, a server-client (usually through a web service) application for managing your images.  But again, most of these are so professionally oriented and they suck for browsing.

nice! same complaint here, same mouse.

that's a pretty manual process.  It would drive me nuts lolll...

I also don't like the markdown tables.  So I sort of do something similar now, if i need to insert a table, I make it in excel and paste in the picture of it.  But I'm not doing any functional linking with it, simply inserting tables as graphics.

the unidirectional index thing is a problem always for textual organization.  That's why those graph views are so nice, it's just a visual of webbing links.  It's hard to convert that to text.

For indexing....I would not use tables of any sort, but again I am not doing it as intensively as you are.
Indexing, I basically use the classic zk of idea of creating a note that links to all the sub-topics.  So i create an index note.  Multiple index notes can link to the same sub-note, that's fine.  But in a listed hierarchy, if a note has multiple parents, which is the master?  that's the issue with text...only graph viz will show this properly.

also unrelated...but i often think about 40hz' question above.....what do I intend to do with all this note taking?  For me, my goal is to help me write more books more easily.  That is my primary motivation, and that was my inspiration when reading about the og zk guy luhrman was doing it, he could churn out books like nothing.  So far it is working well for me, however proof is in the pudding and let's see a book come out of it.

Well, I'm just going to restate what has been working well for me...
I use whatever to edit my files...obsidian zettlr, vs code.  I've lost somewhat interest in features other than the most basic stuff.  I don't plan on living in these tools, just using them to create and edit.

As far as reviewing, and reading the content, and how it looks etc...I'm really sticking with neuron.  So most of my time is being spent reading and navigating my content in neuron. 

Is there a way in obsidian to get a toolbar for markup?
I'd suggest just using Typora as your front end until Obsidian has its WYSIWYG editor. They both update fast, meaning they can be used at the same time.
zettlr also has a toolbar

I prefer Obsidian to navigate my content
Which features of Obsidian do you use when navigating?
For navigating, I basically use the sidebar where the files are listed, and the graph webbing view.  I like the graph view, but can't really say I use it too much.  I look at it there to see how things are connected.  However, neuron has a view as a tree hierarchy that does another kind of similar view which I like better. 

ive gotten into streaming for work meetings and such, so i've been building a system at home for the past year.  my most favorite item out of everything is the elgato Stream Deck.  everything is controlled thru there.  Lights, audio, OBS, mics, etc.  I've also built professional studios for corporations, and this little unit replaces at least thousands of dollars worth of pro equipment.

I'll take a crack at this one.  How soon did you need it by?
yesterday!!  LOLLL  jk

A freeware program named "1by1" might be worth a look:
I am not sure it handles tagging, but claims to make it quite easy to scroll through files and listen to them.
this looks great.  THanks for the suggestion!!

Have we mentioned Zettlr yet?

It is a notebook app with markdown designed for writers.
I haven't tried it yet, but I've downloaded it and plan to preview it.  (I'm still using TreeDBNotes because I've never found a suitable replacement)
Oh yes, discussed a lot.  I prefer using Zettlr to write my content, fyi.  And then I prefer Obsidian to navigate my content.  And ultimately, I prefer Neuron to display my content on a website.

Just out of curiosity …

What are people doing with all this information they’re curating and cataloging with these various pieces of software? To what purpose? Or maybe even: to what avail?

I’m more curious about the individual “business” use cases rather than the supporting technology. Technology and solutions that offer varying degrees of utility aren’t that difficult to run down. God knows there’s tons of software out there. But the reasons to employ said technology can sometimes be less obvious. At least to me.

So help me out. What is/are your goal(s). What’s it all for? What are you guys doing with all this information you’re gathering?  :)

When I learned about this, the thing that intrigued me the most was how prolific that Lurhman guy was due to using this system.  Prolific in terms of churning out books.  I also want to continue writing books, so that is my end goal.  I remember writing my first set of books how annoying and time=consuming/frustrating it was to organize everything, and then once organized, even keeping track of your thoughts and notes and edits, etc.  So the idea of using a system such as this to capture your thoughts and then later to recover it and put quickly together in long-form or book form, is the ultimate goal for me.

I've been an unorganized notetaker for many many years, most of my life.  But their all over the place.  If I wanted to put something together based on my thoughts, I have to search and find everything, then reread it (because they are long and disjointed), then re-understand my original points, then organize, then edit.  Supposedly, this allows us to skip all that once the "zettels" are created and its just a matter of following each zettel (which should already be concise and easy to read/understand) and they are already linked, so you can just churn out books...theoretically.

Now, in practice, much of the last 2 years of the exercise was just to see if this even works with the software and tools etc.  Nothing really "took" for me until i saw that software Neuron that I am loving.  And the thing there was that it syncs with my local files and presents a very nice looking website instantly with everything there.  The softwares technically do the same, but something about the aesthetic of neuron really is working for me.

So now I am just writing away, and hopefully some nice books will come out of it.

Business wise, I don't see many applications.  Would employees really use such a tool?  Not really.  Even if they were research oriented, it still takes a rare kind of dedication to use it all (the markdown, the linking, the curating) it's all very rare.  Maybe if the system could be more automated somehow, but still, I struggle to find a good application.  Actually, in the neuron forum, one of the users presented it to a company, and he said there wasn't much interest at all, lol. 

What's wrong with us?  Why do we write and write and curate and write?  I don't know, might be a mental problem.

I see.  But I still see it as inescapable.  All the tools out there are doing something to deal with links, tags, etc.

by the way, it's optional, you don't have to use it.

the problem is there are multiple types of links...
there's the zettel branch link, the kind the og luhrman was using
then there's normal links, which paper didnt have (links to outside sites, etc.)
then there's links that you don't want to be a branch or formal sub-topic.  i use these as my in-line links.

anyway, the other thing everyone has to hack with md files is the title and ID thing that I was hung up about initially.

I don't see any way around these until everyone comes to a standard on both markdown and html conversion.

It's not proprietary.  This guy is furthest from that as possible.  The triple bracket is simply an optional functional workaround to match better than luhrman's method of branching topics.  I think all the zettel software have certain workarounds, I don't think you can escape it.

I'm also using Obsidian primarily for writing and editing.  I'm hoping for more funcionality and customizeability on the linking and such features.

for example, with neuron, there is a nice feature where you can use triple brackets in addition to normal linking (double brackets).  What this accomplishes is a more important kind of "link" than the regular links.  Regular links will work as expected.  These triple bracket links do the same, except on the index page that gets automatically generated, it will create a heirarchy (tree) based on the triple links.  So you can control this, wheras the other links cannot be controlled in such a fashion (normal links won't affect this heirarchy).

The problem is...ALL of the software (obsidian, vs code, etc.) won't recognize the triple link as even a regular link.  Like in the graph, double links will result in a connection line.  But with the triple link, there is no connection line.  So I'd like an editor that can show the line even with the triple bracket.  Seems minor to me.

OK guys, after almost two years of following this discussion, I have achieved the setup that accomplishes the goal I originally be able to write books quickly, the way i heard about that luhrman guy.  The key is neuron for me as being able to see the website updated instantly as i type has been the most motivating feature for me.  Amazing stuff.

I seem to be using Obsidian mostly for writing.  Truly amazing setup, i have yearned for this for maybe 15+ years, you can see my posts here lolll.

I think the problem is in the workingdirectory

Sounds like systemd can’t find the script.

Check the full path of the neuron directory. Is anything missing? Is user1 inside another folder?

for example, try: 

for your working directory entry.

yes that worked!  i had to modify a couple of things, but mainly i had to add the full path.
I tried doing some $PATH stuff but couldn't figure it out.

now, it is running successfully as a service, so cool.  IN fact, i have two instances running, and can do more, just need to change the port.  This is going to take my book writing to a new level.  All i need to do is write text files, any changes are instantly updated.

The overall solution to the service was...i make a bash .sh file with the command in there...then i make that service file for it.  So two files per service.  Amazing.  I like it much much better than wordpress; better than any platform i've used.

I'm trying to figure out how to create a service out of the neuron executable.  I'm not a linux guy, can anyone help?

I have neuron running on an ubuntu server (cli, no gui).
I understand i have to use systemd to create a service.  So I created the service file according to some instructions I found.  But I am getting errors about:
bad unit file setting

the file is like this:

Code: Text [Select]
  1. [Unit]
  2. Description=neuron sync2
  5. [Service]
  6. Type=simple
  7. User=user1
  8. WorkingDirectory=/home/user1/neuron
  9. ExecStart=neuron -d /home/user1/neuron/sync1 rib -ws
  10. Restart=always # or always, on-abort, etc
  12. [Install]

I think the problem is in the workingdirectory or execstart lines.
Any suggestions?  When i run the command there in the execstart line manually, everything works perfectly.  But I want it a service so it is always running even if it gets killed or rebooted, etc.

Encyclopedia of note taking apps:
people should scour this thread and theyll find a more comrehensive list of apps here.
I can put it all neatly together in a post that would already be better.  LOL.

PhraseExpress can rename the file based on a tag inside the file??

If you don't want the headache of renaming html files constantly....use the filenames
If you want a descriptive html filename...use a descriptive md file.
I use PhraseExpress shortcuts to produce the zet style date/time UIDs, one in a ###### header. I can then add any title text I want either before or after  the ID. Any text expander should do this.

So, I can have descriptive titles and UIDs in the same title.
For neuron, this would work, but if you change the title of the note (like the title INSIDE the note or the title meta) then the html filename won't be updated.  So the original html filename stays the same.

This might be the best middle ground.  Who cares if the title changes a little and the filename doesn't?  I don't.
So #### might be the best solution.

confirm...yes, doing it the is way easier.  I don't want to go and rename html files.

The negative is when I use Zettlr or Obsidian, etc., there are no titles shown in the index, just numbers.

Still, this neuron is the bomb.

Aha!  Everything is working brilliantly, except for this one decision.  And this goes to the heart of our discussion here, LOLLLL!

See this link:

this part:
Use title IDs when you want truly future-proof link IDs that work on any text editor. However, note that this comes at the cost that you are willing to rename them (manually or using a script) across your Zettelkasten if the title ID of any of your notes changes.

Here, I have to make a choice.  Do I use filenames with ID (as in, the datenumber field, OR do I use the title yaml field in the actual note itself?  Many pages back, I knew this would be a critical decision loll, that's why I'm laughing....because no matter how different these software are, they all have to make this fundamental choice here .

THis guy has left it up to the user, which is nice.  But, he is saying that it does come with consequences.

If I use the ID number, this is easier in that I never have to rename the html files which are only generated once (they don't update if you change the filename of your md or your yaml header). 

If I use a descriptive title that I can freely modify, then the problem there is I have to update the html files with some script or manually (PITA). 

If you don't want the headache of renaming html files constantly....use the filenames
If you want a descriptive html filename...use a descriptive md file.

I said earlier it would be great if someone wrote a nifty tool that can do these renaming functions.  I think it would get used a lot.

Do you sync the MD files to neuron or Github?  And does the github repo have to be public?
I didn't want to use github because I don't like the way it syncs.  Also, I don't know how to sync my local server files with github, as I have neuron running on a local server.
But I am having some issues, "file is locked" sort of thing.  I am syncing files directly using ftp or syncovery, or straight network transfer.
But the above error is what I'm sorting through now as I broke something and now the website isn't updating when I transfer files over.

Still working it all out, but hopefully this is the solution for me.
I think, yes, the github repo needs to be public.  Not sure.  The basic instructions say to use public.

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