Author Topic: Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here (Read 223039 times)

gri · « **Reply #250 on:** September 07, 2015, 02:29 AM »

I've been down this path, and it's frustrating and leads nowhere.
-wraith808

To nowhere - the grivitiniks in default smf format are leading,
in quotes' headers after moving the original posts to other topics
in result of splitting or merging -
without a Freedom of Moving Thoughts embedded feature.

That is what a Frustration for Space Humans,
modifying the quotes code manually over the planet
during years of slow Evolution.. or Degradation.

KynloStephen66515 · « **Reply #251 on:** September 07, 2015, 02:32 AM »

Do similar screenshot from simplemachines.org please :
Anybody have any clues what this could be?
-Stephen66515
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Thank you.

-gri (September 06, 2015, 05:10 PM)

Erm...We have NOTHING to do with that website...how could we possibly control what they install on their own forum? That's like you asking us to publish a story on bbc.com...it doesn't belong to us...I am assuming this is what you mean...but unless you decide to speak to me in something resembling English, I am afraid I don't have the time, nor patience to try figure it out anymore.
-Stephen66515 (September 06, 2015, 06:06 PM)

Stephen. Let it go. Seriously. I've been down this path, and it's frustrating and leads nowhere.
-wraith808 (September 06, 2015, 09:57 PM)

I have haha, Completely gave up when I realized I was fighting a losing ~~argument~~ whatever that was lol

mouser · « **Reply #252 on:** September 07, 2015, 05:32 AM »

I'd expect 1 name (and not my own) to "stand out from the crowd", here
-Ath (September 07, 2015, 02:04 AM)

i must admit, i don't see any difference, though in my browser there is one. The current forum code uses inline html to indicate buddies; let me change it to use css and lets see if that fixes it.

crabby3 · « **Reply #253 on:** September 07, 2015, 05:51 AM »

...picture is worth 1k words

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-crabby3 (September 05, 2015, 09:01 AM)

Maybe a 1000 words would be better?

All I know is that this orange-apple image, enlarging underneath the YouTube screen, is the first time it has happened (to me).

But I can't recall ever enlarging an image attached directly below a YouTube screen before... so...

Ath · « **Reply #254 on:** September 07, 2015, 06:13 AM »

I'd expect 1 name (and not my own) to "stand out from the crowd", here
-Ath (September 07, 2015, 02:04 AM)

i must admit, i don't see any difference, though in my browser there is one. The current forum code uses inline html to indicate buddies; let me change it to use css and lets see if that fixes it.
-mouser (September 07, 2015, 05:32 AM)

I checked page-source in Pale Moon, and even though 1 of my buddies is on-line, one of the <a> tags has an attribute , but it's not visibly different from the other items $:-\$

Then I fired up Chrome, and checked the source, (in the meantime a second buddy came on-line) to see this <a href="https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=987654321" style="color: #0000FF;">user</a> (userid and name hidden to protect the innocent) for the first buddy-user next to my name, giving it a blue color (strong isn't really recognizable), and this: <a href="https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=987654322">user2</a> for another user, making it totally not distinguishable from other users in the list

This looks like a bug(gy) in the buddy module.

mouser · « **Reply #255 on:** September 07, 2015, 06:15 AM »

I'd expect 1 name (and not my own) to "stand out from the crowd", here
-Ath (September 07, 2015, 02:04 AM)

Ok i see the nature of the problem -- in the current css stylesheet we are using on DC, all hyperlinks are bolded automatically, to help distinguish them. That makes the use of an or impossible (or near impossible) to see.

There are actually a few places where em (or strong) is used on links, like in emphasizing buddies on member list (or it turns out on sticky topics) -- but most of the time it's sort of redundant. The buddies on member list is an exception.

I have two choices for how to fix:

First, I can stick with our style of always bolding hyperlinks, and differentiate memberlist buddies (and indeed, if we like, all strong hyperlinks) with different css (making font larger, italic, dif color).
Second, we can reconsider whether its wise to bold all hyperlinks.

Both fixes are easy -- the real question this raises is whether we should be bolding all hyperlinks -- and i need some opinions on this.

So let's set aside the issue of highlighting buddies in member list -- i'll solve that once we answer the question of whether all hyperlinks should be bolded.

I do find it makes it easier to identify hyperlinks when they are bolded. I have experimented with unbolding hyperlinks locally and one problem I have is that it becomes then very hard to distinguish visited hyperlinks from normal text (or alternatively from non-visited links).

Help me decide, here are some screenshots to compare:

Bold hyperlinks:

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Forum Upgraded August 30, 2015 - Report issues here

Non-bold hyperlinks:

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Opinions? Which do you prefer?

Ath · « **Reply #256 on:** September 07, 2015, 06:21 AM »

Was making all hyperlinks bold chosen to get larger message-titles?, as those are also hyperlinks. I expect those would have their own css style.

Non-bold hyperlinks could be somewhat problematic in trying to hit the now thinner links when working on a small device, like a phone or tablet, can't test that currently

mouser · « **Reply #257 on:** September 07, 2015, 06:49 AM »

Was making all hyperlinks bold chosen to get larger message-titles?, as those are also hyperlinks. I expect those would have their own css style.
-Ath (September 07, 2015, 06:21 AM)

it was one to make it easier to identify clickable links.

mouser · « **Reply #258 on:** September 07, 2015, 06:52 AM »

Regardless of whether I change the hyperlinks to be bold or not, i have used a different color for buddies on memberlist so they should show up differently -- so that should solve that problem.

We still need to decide whether to keep hyperlinks bolded (see screenshots to compare).

mouser · « **Reply #259 on:** September 07, 2015, 06:53 AM »

All I know is that this orange-apple image, enlarging underneath the YouTube screen, is the first time it has happened (to me).
-crabby3 (September 07, 2015, 05:51 AM)

I understood your image, but couldn't reproduce the problem, and decided it was probably something we could ignore or at least file as low-priority problem for now.

crabby3 · « **Reply #260 on:** September 07, 2015, 06:59 AM »

All I know is that this orange-apple image, enlarging underneath the YouTube screen, is the first time it has happened (to me).
-crabby3 (September 07, 2015, 05:51 AM)

I understood your image, but couldn't reproduce the problem, and decided it was probably something we could ignore or at least file as low-priority problem for now.
-mouser (September 07, 2015, 06:53 AM)

Thank you for your reply. I suppose this could be my machine and or browser as well? Vista and IE 9?

Ath · « **Reply #261 on:** September 07, 2015, 10:03 AM »

Regardless of whether I change the hyperlinks to be bold or not, i have used a different color for buddies on memberlist so they should show up differently -- so that should solve that problem.

We still need to decide whether to keep hyperlinks bolded (see screenshots to compare).
-mouser (September 07, 2015, 06:52 AM)

I can see that now, and I do like it, though it may need a little fine-tuning later.

The blue color I mentioned before seems to be assigned to (sub-)board moderators, like lanux128, Carol Haynes and app103. I hadn't recognized that before

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(Buddy names again hidden to protect the innocent)

wraith808 · « **Reply #262 on:** September 07, 2015, 10:09 AM »

can you just confirm to me that we are talking about the same list? maybe a screenshot,
-mouser (September 06, 2015, 01:27 PM)

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I'd expect 1 name (and not my own) to "stand out from the crowd", here
(Screenshot taken from Pale Moon)
-Ath (September 07, 2015, 02:04 AM)

Buddy? What's a buddy?!?

mouser · « **Reply #263 on:** September 07, 2015, 12:49 PM »

In your profile you can create a list of buddies (doesn't have to be reciprocal).
Buddy list is just an easier way to see when someone on your buddy list is online currently.

JavaJones · « **Reply #264 on:** September 07, 2015, 02:12 PM »

I'd love to see what the unread:all page looks like without the bold. Was it set this way (all links are bold) in the previous forum? Because if not that might explain a sense of something being "off" here that I hadn't put my finger on yet, in which case I'd prefer non-bold links by default. I think changing the color of visited links to better differentiate them is a better solution than bolding them all.

- Oshyan

KynloStephen66515 · « **Reply #265 on:** September 07, 2015, 03:21 PM »

can you just confirm to me that we are talking about the same list? maybe a screenshot,
-mouser (September 06, 2015, 01:27 PM)

//There is an image here...but the forum has cocked up with the quoting problem again so I removed it.

I'd expect 1 name (and not my own) to "stand out from the crowd", here
(Screenshot taken from Pale Moon)
-Ath (September 07, 2015, 02:04 AM)

Buddy? What's a buddy?!?
-wraith808 (September 07, 2015, 10:09 AM)

In your profile you can create a list of buddies (doesn't have to be reciprocal).
Buddy list is just an easier way to see when someone on your buddy list is online currently.
-mouser (September 07, 2015, 12:49 PM)

Target · « **Reply #266 on:** September 07, 2015, 07:15 PM »

could be this has already been discussed but I couldn't see it

I find that there isn't enough contrast between pinned threads and everything else (eg the living room) particularly when viewed on a small device (like my 10" netbook). Did the old format have a dedicated icon (I can't remember, but it was quite plain)

Not a biggy by any means, it just takes me a bit longer to get to the 'current' threads

mouser · « **Reply #267 on:** September 08, 2015, 05:56 AM »

I'd love to see what the unread:all page looks like without the bold. Was it set this way (all links are bold) in the previous forum? Because if not that might explain a sense of something being "off" here that I hadn't put my finger on yet, in which case I'd prefer non-bold links by default. I think changing the color of visited links to better differentiate them is a better solution than bolding them all.
-JavaJones (September 07, 2015, 02:12 PM)

Perhaps we should try unbolded links for a bit and see if they are preferred; I think perhaps the old forum did not use bolded links. I intended to keep a working backup of the old forum for comparison purposes but due to unforseen circumstances i was not able to keep it online (though obviously i still have all the files to inspect manually).

mouser · « **Reply #268 on:** September 08, 2015, 05:58 AM »

I find that there isn't enough contrast between pinned threads and everything else (eg the living room) particularly when viewed on a small device (like my 10" netbook). Did the old format have a dedicated icon (I can't remember, but it was quite plain)
-Target (September 07, 2015, 07:15 PM)

Check again now please (make sure to F5 to reload css).

mouser · « **Reply #269 on:** September 08, 2015, 06:08 AM »

Ok I have switched to a default of non-bolded hyperlinks; i still bold them in a few places (like inside posts) to make them more readable, but elsewhere back to non-bolded.
Remember to hit F5 to force a re-load of the css file to see the changes.

Let me know if you folks like this look better or worse.

TaoPhoenix · « **Reply #270 on:** September 08, 2015, 08:34 AM »

I find that there isn't enough contrast between pinned threads and everything else (eg the living room) particularly when viewed on a small device (like my 10" netbook). Did the old format have a dedicated icon (I can't remember, but it was quite plain)
-Target (September 07, 2015, 07:15 PM)

Check again now please (make sure to F5 to reload css).
-mouser (September 08, 2015, 05:58 AM)

Well, since you switched it, do you still want any screen shots?

PS What is NOW different for me ... is when I quote, it was green yesterday! Now the theme colors are all blue! (I have an old tab open so I can see the changes.)

mouser · « **Reply #271 on:** September 08, 2015, 08:49 AM »

is when I quote, it was green yesterday! Now the theme colors are all blue! (I have an old tab open so I can see the changes.)

yikes! i didn't do that on purpose! let me figure out wtf caused that.

mouser · « **Reply #272 on:** September 08, 2015, 08:53 AM »

FIXED -- thanks for finding that. I had a syntax error in the css file and it was breaking a bunch of things. Should be ok now.

tomos · « **Reply #273 on:** September 08, 2015, 10:02 AM »

Ok I have switched to a default of non-bolded hyperlinks; i still bold them in a few places (like inside posts) to make them more readable, but elsewhere back to non-bolded.
Remember to hit F5 to force a re-load of the css file to see the changes.

Let me know if you folks like this look better or worse.
-mouser (September 08, 2015, 06:08 AM)

I'd vote for the default being bolded - well, for thread titles anyways. I found them easier to read bold.

mouser · « **Reply #274 on:** September 08, 2015, 10:32 AM »

I think logically there is something to be said for not having links bolded by default -- just because it enables SOME links to be bolded for emphasis; other than that I am ambivalent.
Let's try it this way for a week and make a decision at that point.
Screenshots above show the difference in look -- or you can always use a local css file to override the site css.