Author Topic: Windows 10 Announced (Read 743615 times)

Curt · « **Reply #425 on:** July 28, 2015, 01:54 AM »

Windows 10 what you need to know before you upgrade - gHacks Tech News
-Arizona Hot (July 27, 2015, 11:10 PM)

Windows 10 Prices
http://www.ghacks.ne...-before-you-upgrade/

If you plan to purchase Windows 10, for instance to install it on a new PC or to upgrade a non-genuine version of Windows to a genuine-one, then you may be interested in the retail pricing of the operating system.

   Windows 10 Home will be available for $119.
   Windows 10 Pro is priced at $199.
   Upgrades from Home to Pro are available for $99.

Update: Microsoft Germany announced the price for Windows 10 Home and Pro that customers buy directly. The price of Windows 10 Home is €135 (currently 148 US Dollar) and that of Windows 10 Pro €279 (currently $305 US Dollar)

It is interesting to note that it is cheaper currently to purchase Windows 7 or Windows 8 instead to perform the free upgrade to Windows 10 in the first year than to purchase Windows 10 outright.

Amazon for instance lists system builder editions of Windows 7 Professional 64-bit and Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit for $134 and $131 respectively so that you'd save about $60.

Please note that it means an additional step during installation as you need to install the operating system that you have bought first before you can upgrade to Windows 10. If you buy Windows 10 directly, you will save that step.

Hm... I paid Microsoft merely $30 for 64-bits Windows 8 Professional. What a price increase!

tomos · « **Reply #426 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:25 AM »

http://dellwindowsre...or-windows-insiders/
This may all be completely dated by now (?)
He works for Dell, so there is a Dell bias here - not sure how much difference that makes.

Update 16/07/2015 windows 10 10240 rtm is released for windows insiders
by philipyip

You cannot clean install initially otherwise you pass up your free upgrade

Upgrade to windows 10 via windows update or beginning the windows 10 setup within the windows 10 desktop. This will register your device as a windows 10 device and you may then create a recovery drive and clean install.

From my extensive testing of the new Microsoft Product Testing introduced into Microsoft Windows 10 RTM I can tell you the following:

◾Direct clean installation from Windows 10 Installation Media, skipping product key twice or using the generic key leads to an unactivated product.
◾Using the .iso to upgrade from the Windows Desktop will only allow activated versions of Windows to release the license agreement screen. This only allows Activated versions of Windows 7, Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 Insider 10130.
◾For Windows Insiders Windows 10130 is then updated to Windows 10162 via Windows Update and this is updated via Windows Update to Windows 10240 (RTM) .
◾Once the initial upgrade to Windows 10240 is complete the device is registered to Microsoft as a Windows 10 Device.
◾Once a device is registered, you may create a Recovery Drive and Clean Install.
◾The Recovery Drive may be used on other devices but you will encounter Microsoft Product Activation issues if the device isn’t initially upgraded via Windows Update and Registered as a Windows 10 10240 RTM device.
◾The product activation is tied to the device. You can reinstall using a different Microsoft Account or Local Account and the device will activate.
◾You may change minor hardware such as a SSD/HDD and clean install. I changed from a SSD to HDD for a quick test and Microsoft Product Activation was applied.
◾It seems Windows Insiders with Build 10130 will be passed as eligible to reach Windows 10 RTM even those who lacked a Windows 7/8.1 Base license. Those who look to join the Windows 10 Insider program after the Windows 10130 .isos have been removed will not be able to install and activate Windows 10 Insider 10240 RTM.

http://dellwindowsre...or-windows-insiders/

Deozaan · « **Reply #427 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:32 AM »

Candy Crush Saga was recently added to "My Library" in the Microsoft App Store.

It didn't automatically install the game, but I see no way of being able to remove something from your library once it has been added. I'm opposed to Candy Crush Saga and all of King (the company who made Candy Crush Saga) based on principle. I don't like that Microsoft has given them inflated usercounts by automatically adding it to every Windows 10 account library.

Guess I have no choice but to rate the game 1-star.

4wd · « **Reply #428 on:** July 28, 2015, 06:49 AM »

If you plan to purchase Windows 10, for instance to install it on a new PC or to upgrade a non-genuine version of Windows to a genuine-one, then you may be interested in the retail pricing of the operating system.

   Windows 10 Home will be available for $119.
   Windows 10 Pro is priced at $199.
   Upgrades from Home to Pro are available for $99.
-Arizona Hot (July 27, 2015, 11:10 PM)

Hm... I paid Microsoft merely $30 for 64-bits Windows 8 Professional. What a price increase!
-Curt (July 28, 2015, 01:54 AM)

I think you'll find that you bought an upgrade to Windows 8 from the version you were/are running, (Windows 7), the upgrade price for Windows 10 is $0 from Windows 7 or 8(.1) - that's a decrease in price.

The above prices are for retail versions, Windows 8 had a comparable pricing structure: Windows 8 $119; Windows 8 Pro $199.

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #429 on:** July 28, 2015, 07:25 AM »

So on the topic of Windows 10 upgrade prep updates. Has anyone else seen KB2952664 bouncing in and out? To clarify, I spent several hours trying to make peace with this patch, because it kept insisting it needed to be installed...even though it was already listed as having been installed, no less than 4 friggin times.

I'm thinking maybe it has something to do with running the force the system to show the reservation prompt...(on a domain member machine)...but that's really only based on a blind guess.

Curt · « **Reply #430 on:** July 28, 2015, 11:25 AM »

so, what's it like, this new Windows 10?
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Maybe KB2952664 was the reason why Win 10 failed to install on my machine?
Maybe Win 10 was the reason why KB2952664 at first failed to install on Stoic Joker's machine?
I too needed several attempts before KB2952664 was installed properly!

Deozaan · « **Reply #431 on:** July 28, 2015, 11:40 AM »

KB2952664 installed perfectly fine for me the first time I tried. It didn't give me any trouble.

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #432 on:** July 28, 2015, 12:49 PM »

Maybe KB2952664 was the reason why Win 10 failed to install on my machine?
-Curt (July 28, 2015, 11:25 AM)

How did you get an upgrade prompt already?? Is it tomorrow in you part of the world?

KB2952664 installed perfectly fine for me the first time I tried. It didn't give me any trouble.
-Deozaan (July 28, 2015, 11:40 AM)

As did mine appear to. Then it added itself to the list again, and again... If I have time I'll post a screen shot when I get home...the damn thing is quite literally listed in history as having been successfully installed five times (in a row).

Deozaan · « **Reply #433 on:** July 28, 2015, 12:53 PM »

KB2952664 installed perfectly fine for me the first time I tried. It didn't give me any trouble.
-Deozaan (July 28, 2015, 11:40 AM)

As did mine appear to. Then it added itself to the list again, and again... If I have time I'll post a screen shot when I get home...the damn thing is quite literally listed in history as having been successfully installed five times (in a row).
-Stoic Joker (July 28, 2015, 12:49 PM)

I checked for more updates multiple times after installing it and it isn't showing up again (yet). So we'll see what happens.

Maybe KB2952664 was the reason why Win 10 failed to install on my machine?
-Curt (July 28, 2015, 11:25 AM)

How did you get an upgrade prompt already?? Is it tomorrow in you part of the world?
-Stoic Joker (July 28, 2015, 12:49 PM)

I wondered that, too. But then I decided that maybe Curt hadn't yet even installed the "Reserve your Windows 10 today!" thing yet, and that it was that. If that wasn't clear, I mean maybe it's the update that makes the Windows 10 logo appear in the tray.

Curt · « **Reply #434 on:** July 28, 2015, 03:49 PM »

... I decided that maybe Curt hadn't yet even installed the "Reserve your Windows 10 today!" thing yet, and that it was that.
-Deozaan (July 28, 2015, 12:53 PM)

-I did that on page 10 in answer no. 234

I don't think it's weird they began upgrading several hours before midnight; they are serving quite a lot of machines.

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #435 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:39 PM »

I don't think it's weird they began upgrading several hours before midnight; they are serving quite a lot of machines.
-Curt (July 28, 2015, 03:49 PM)

Okay, so you are in a part of the world where it's tomorrow already then ... Yes?

How many hours before midnight are we talking here???

tomos · « **Reply #436 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:56 PM »

I don't think it's weird they began upgrading several hours before midnight; they are serving quite a lot of machines.
-Curt (July 28, 2015, 03:49 PM)

Okay, so you are in a part of the world where it's tomorrow already then ... Yes?

How many hours before midnight are we talking here???
-Stoic Joker (July 28, 2015, 04:39 PM)

I'm pretty sure Curt's in the same timezone as me - it's five minutes to midnight as I write

Curt · « **Reply #437 on:** July 28, 2015, 06:29 PM »

here it's GMT+1 (also called CET, Central Europe Time)

I have been trying all sorts of useless tricks to get Win 10 trying to install again. In vain. Maybe my machine will try again at the same time tomorrow; around four o'clock in the afternoon.

Curt · « **Reply #438 on:** July 28, 2015, 06:38 PM »

Argh! Even as we were speaking!

Once is a coincidence, but 3 isn't. I have the feeling that this machine not will accept Windows 10.

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #439 on:** July 28, 2015, 07:59 PM »

How much free space do you have available? I think it's looking for ~20GB.

4wd · « **Reply #440 on:** July 28, 2015, 09:59 PM »

I'm GMT +10 and as yet, all I've got is that the upgrade is "reserved" on the two machines I'm allowing to auto-upgrade, one of which is on 24/7.

Back to thumb-twiddling mode.

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #441 on:** July 28, 2015, 10:03 PM »

Back to thumb-twiddling mode.
-4wd (July 28, 2015, 09:59 PM)

I'm GMT -5 so it's 11:00pm here and still no joy... So it'll have to be a morning project for me now.

Arizona Hot · « **Reply #442 on:** July 28, 2015, 10:04 PM »

I ran Windows Backup, EaseUS System GoBack, installed the latest Sandboxie version, checked for Malwarebytes updates, backed up my user files to CD-ROM and DVD-ROM and installed 3 Windows Updates. I guess I am ready to see if the Big Bad Wolf or Little Red Ridinghood shows up tomorrow morning.

TaoPhoenix · « **Reply #443 on:** July 28, 2015, 10:16 PM »

Did any Microsoft OS really hum out of the box? I think the only ones I know of are Win2000 and possibly Win98.

I belatedly recall it took years to get XP into the (now legacy) industry defining powerhouse it is/was - something like nothing before Service pack 2 mattered.

I just would have thought that by this point *twenty years later* after Win95 Microsoft would have gotten a few things right!

Arizona Hot · « **Reply #444 on:** July 28, 2015, 11:09 PM »

I wonder what the first Win 10 hack will be? An Adobe Flash Player one?

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #445 on:** July 29, 2015, 08:47 AM »

Hm... So I can either 'manually' download Windows 10, and have it now ... Or, I can wait for the reservation to take forever to get on with it.

Iiii'm gonna call that one a fail.

MilesAhead · « **Reply #446 on:** July 29, 2015, 09:30 AM »

Did any Microsoft OS really hum out of the box? I think the only ones I know of are Win2000 and possibly Win98.
-TaoPhoenix (July 28, 2015, 10:16 PM)

Seemed to me Windows 7 worked pretty well. I don't remember pacing back and forth waiting for the SP1.

At least for the 32 bit version. I haven't installed the 64 bit on the metal yet. Just in a VM.

Deozaan · « **Reply #447 on:** July 29, 2015, 10:32 AM »

Hm... So I can either 'manually' download Windows 10, and have it now ... Or, I can wait for the reservation to take forever to get on with it.
-Stoic Joker (July 29, 2015, 08:47 AM)

Got a link to the manually downloaded ISO?

Curt · « **Reply #448 on:** July 29, 2015, 10:37 AM »

I can either 'manually' download Windows 10, and have it now
-Stoic Joker (July 29, 2015, 08:47 AM)

-I am not sure you can do that, unless you are ready to "create a media".

My laptop doesn't have a CD drive, so in my mind I am depending on a normal installer, because their silent background installer doesn't work on my laptop. But I can't find a full, normal Windows 10 installer! All I could find was "Use the media creation tool to download Windows".

PS! >Tool includes:

   File formats optimized for download speed.
   Built in media creation options for USBs and DVDs.
   Optional conversion to ISO file format.

http://www.microsoft...e-download/windows10
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from my "Windows Update":

Deozaan · « **Reply #449 on:** July 29, 2015, 10:52 AM »

http://www.microsoft...e-download/windows10
-Curt (July 29, 2015, 10:37 AM)

I'm currently downloading Windows 10 with that link. It allows you to "upgrade your computer now" or "create installation media to install Windows 10 on another computer" and the second option has an option for either ISO (CD/DVD) or USB.

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