Author Topic: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten (Read 693316 times)

Dormouse · « **Reply #650 on:** July 21, 2020, 11:14 PM »

eloquent.works is another chrome extension for downloading, notes, highlighting etc. Wikilinks etc. Designed for Roam but likely to work on everything.

Dormouse · « **Reply #651 on:** July 22, 2020, 03:56 AM »

And dendron is a new Foam-alike.
Unless it's something else renamed. Another longish list of VSCode extensions it auto-installs.

panzer · « **Reply #652 on:** July 28, 2020, 12:16 PM »

neuron is a future-proof command-line app for managing your plain-text Zettelkasten notes:
https://neuron.zettel.page/
https://github.com/ihsanturk/neuron.vim

superboyac · « **Reply #653 on:** July 28, 2020, 01:04 PM »

my god, the number of software out there....

i mean, they are all so cool though.

neuron is a future-proof command-line app for managing your plain-text Zettelkasten notes:
https://neuron.zettel.page/
https://github.com/ihsanturk/neuron.vim
-panzer (July 28, 2020, 12:16 PM)

this is interesting....it looks like a Pico type thing where it can make a website from your notes, and the author's site is quite nice!!

https://www.srid.ca/

wraith808 · « **Reply #654 on:** July 28, 2020, 01:46 PM »

What's even more interesting is his other project - https://beta.cerveau.app/

panzer · « **Reply #655 on:** July 28, 2020, 01:52 PM »

Note taking with Obsidian:
https://rolisz.ro/2020/07/28/obsidian/

Dormouse · « **Reply #656 on:** July 28, 2020, 05:41 PM »

It's nice to see the expansion in the category even if I'm not going to test anything else out until Obsidian achieves its roadmap unless I hit a glitch - which doesn't seem likely. The ability to just add them to the system is very reassuring.

Dormouse · « **Reply #657 on:** July 28, 2020, 06:03 PM »

One lesser spotted feature of Luhmann's system is his advice to work on anything only for as long as you want and then switch to something else.

Since starting to move stuff into Obsidian, I've noticed that this has really improved productivity. It's because I now have one system and one workflow for everything. I never have to switch from one set of toys (progs and files) to another. Writing, research: just do it - project switching is all in the brain. Think about dinner, need recipe is all the same. Temperature too high? Ditto.

It's not the single boundaried academic system envisaged by Luhmann, but my brain's never been great at boundaries and this allows me to follow its lead, with no friction. And I don't have to be uncomfortably disciplined beyond what comes naturally.

Not so smooth on Android, but I remain hopeful that will be sorted around the end of the year.

wraith808 · « **Reply #658 on:** July 29, 2020, 08:54 AM »

Not so smooth on Android, but I remain hopeful that will be sorted around the end of the year.
-Dormouse (July 28, 2020, 06:03 PM)

I actually find myself not using the system on the go, still resorting to my notebooks, and just transcribing when I get to my computer. With the quarantine and working from home, that's not as much of an issue as it would be otherwise, but I do need to figure out what I'm going to do on that front. As I still keep my bullet journal, I might be able to integrate that in with the daily notes. It's just more work translating from one medium to another.

Dormouse · « **Reply #659 on:** July 29, 2020, 12:29 PM »

I can understand that.

I find using Vivaldi helps.
That's what I tend to use for new stuff.

And editing old can be done on quite a few programs.

But I'm looking forward to having a native Obsidian app. I'd be cogitating more if I didn't know it was coming. Or if the developers weren't so fast.

wraith808 · « **Reply #660 on:** July 29, 2020, 01:34 PM »

I haven't opened Obsidian in a while now. I just find VS code with the extension scaffolding works a lot better for my process. I have my Zettel and notes open from one folder, and in the same workspace I have my current project, whatever that is. I can flip back and forth between writing, coding, etc. and note-taking as I work without switching applications.

Dormouse · « **Reply #661 on:** July 29, 2020, 04:27 PM »

I think that makes sense for anyone who has VSCode open all the time.

But for someone who doesn't, it's the reverse.

The main programs I always have open now are Obsidian, WriteMonkey 3 and Vivaldi.

And nothing I'd call a zettel.

wraith808 · « **Reply #662 on:** July 29, 2020, 11:47 PM »

zettel = note

And I'm using VS code for the same thing that you use writemonkey for most of the time. I don't code in VS Code. I code in Visual Studio.

panzer · « **Reply #663 on:** July 31, 2020, 04:51 PM »

A Beginner’s Guide to Note-Taking (for your Life):
https://www.ivan-ang...aking-for-your-life/

panzer · « **Reply #664 on:** August 01, 2020, 07:14 AM »

Xenon is a note editor for the decentralized web, allowing you to create and save notes. Also includes Markdown support:
https://www.xenoneditor.com/

panzer · « **Reply #665 on:** August 04, 2020, 12:46 AM »

Atomic notes: How to use Zettelkasten to boost your creativity and productivity:
https://zapier.com/b...zettelkasten-method/

panzer · « **Reply #666 on:** August 04, 2020, 04:13 AM »

NoteKit - Write your notes in instantly-formatted Markdown, organise them in a tree of folders that can be instantly navigated from within the program, and add hand-drawn notes by mouse, touchscreen or digitiser:
https://github.com/blackhole89/notekit/

panzer · « **Reply #667 on:** August 06, 2020, 06:14 AM »

μPad - a powerful note-taking app that helps you organise + take notes without restrictions

panzer · « **Reply #668 on:** August 12, 2020, 01:00 AM »

Roam Monkey:
https://roamresearch...acker/page/jI-X_cwaf

JavaJones · « **Reply #669 on:** August 12, 2020, 06:16 PM »

Roam Monkey:
https://roamresearch...acker/page/jI-X_cwaf
-panzer (August 12, 2020, 01:00 AM)

Here is the maddening dichotomy of Roam, Roamcult, and Conor laid bare: Things like this - which, by the way, looks really useful - are a testament to the flexibility of the system, but also an indictment of the development priorities of the team lead.

It is on the one hand nice that Roam is flexible and extensible enough that such things can be done within it, despite them not having access to the code. That is really cool, in a way. It allows the community to help cover things that the core devs cannot, and without open sourcing, since not all developers/companies and profit models are amenable to doing so. It does present some security risks to allow this kind of stuff though, even with the warnings.

On the other hand, the security risks are arguably the smaller concern here. A majority of the features in RoamMonkey are highly useful to most people. They are, in fact, largely features that should be a core part of Roam! Maybe they will be some day, but here's what frustrates me so much. These features were achievable by a self-professed amateur JavaScript developer using only external access. Surely this could be done as well or better and faster by the internal developers. And yet, in the same several months that this guy has been developing these highly useful features that almost everyone would use, Conor and his partner(s) have added a Pomodoro timer, Mermaid diagrams, and other arguably niche and certainly not "first priority" stuff. This is behavior that users SHOULD NOT accept from a developer of an app they are paying for (and, I would add, paying a premium over many comparable products).

Roam is doing cool stuff, but I refuse to support Conor's self-indulgent approach to development priorities. It's not going to work out well in the long run.

- Oshyan

Dormouse · « **Reply #670 on:** August 13, 2020, 07:33 AM »

That's an interesting take on the situation.
I share concerns about the professionalism of Roam's development. The offline enticement to believers through a PWA, risking data loss if cache is deleted before sync with the online database, just seemed the wrong way for the program to work.
But I hope it does well because a database has advantages that files don't - even if I prefer files for my own use.

I see two more positive possibilities.
One is that he's just substantially expanded the team; I have no experience of development teams, but in other areas it's not unusual for it to take time to become productive rather than a drain on existing resources. Hopefully they predicted this and had stuff like the pomodoro already up their sleeves to give an illusion of movement.
The second is that a huge number of cultists are desperate to fiddle personally with the program. Mostly, it seems to me, because they have a drive to fiddle (enhanced by lockdowns) rather than a particular need. This keeps them attached. Other programs like Trello have benefited hugely from third party enhancement. And I notice the building excitement in Obsidian over the near-term API release.

Nod5 · « **Reply #671 on:** August 13, 2020, 02:18 PM »

The boom in interest in both Roam and Obsidian, and various third-party stuff, is both good and bad. Good in that great things will probably come out of it. But bad in that things are still so much up in the air that we don't know how much these tools will change 6 months from now. So I still find it hard commit to either ATM, since which one (or other) I will prefer in the not so distant future probably depends on features not yet there or not yet refined. I'm kind of stuck in test drive mode

wraith808 · « **Reply #672 on:** August 13, 2020, 04:32 PM »

The boom in interest in both Roam and Obsidian, and various third-party stuff, is both good and bad. Good in that great things will probably come out of it. But bad in that things are still so much up in the air that we don't know how much these tools will change 6 months from now. So I still find it hard commit to either ATM, since which one (or other) I will prefer in the not so distant future probably depends on features not yet there or not yet refined. I'm kind of stuck in test drive mode
-Nod5 (August 13, 2020, 02:18 PM)

That's one advantage that Obsidian has over Roam; there's not much in the way of commitment since it sits on top of text files. I'm not currently using it though I maintain the same folder structure as when I did- so I can pick it back up if I desire at a later time.

Dormouse · « **Reply #673 on:** August 13, 2020, 04:36 PM »

The boom in interest in both Roam and Obsidian, and various third-party stuff, is both good and bad ...
which one (or other) I will prefer in the not so distant future probably depends on features not yet there or not yet refined. I'm kind of stuck in test drive mode
-Nod5 (August 13, 2020, 02:18 PM)

I don't think of Obsidian as a commitment at all. I see the files as a commitment - and my system of creating and managing them. I'm happy to use other programs in addition to or instead of.

Which leaves Roam and other database programs. And there I am waiting to see. Either they offer a sufficient incentive for me to use them or they don't. I considered believing (despite never having used it) realising that the first year at least would be a write-off; I glimpsed a pot of gold but surrounded by too many red flags to take the risk.

But there's no loss. I don't have to wait where I am, I can go forward knowing I can change path in the future if I so decide.

Dormouse · « **Reply #674 on:** August 13, 2020, 04:38 PM »

That's one advantage that Obsidian has over Roam; there's not much in the way of commitment since it sits on top of text files.
-wraith808 (August 13, 2020, 04:32 PM)

Which was my simultaneous logic exactly.