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Last post Author Topic: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten  (Read 110383 times)

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #400 on: June 03, 2020, 05:49 PM »
I thought I'd posted this, but remember that things that can sync through dropbox, onenote, etc can be lifesavers.  It's the reason that I use my opinion on Android and used it on IOS - IA Writer.  Edits directly in Dropbox.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #401 on: June 04, 2020, 03:15 AM »
You can set it up to autostart or not and turn sync on and off.
It doesn't read the clipboard for copy or cut - you have to send selection to it, so you shouldn't find it accidentally capturing stuff.

I do think the clipboard is a potential security risk, but it is also a very convenient function.

I switched from gdata to Samsung keyboard which retains up to 20 clips.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #402 on: June 04, 2020, 03:23 AM »
remember that things that can sync through dropbox, onenote, etc can be lifesavers.

I agree.
Most of my writing and note apps have autosync capabilities through Dropbox or alternative, but Markor hasn't which is why I need the autosync app. As you say, autosave in cloud can be a lifesaver.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2020, 08:32 AM by Dormouse »

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« Reply #403 on: June 04, 2020, 08:42 AM »
I'm liking this more and more. Admittedly mostly from reading about it rather than using it. But Android is on its long-term plan,  as is WYSIWYG and sync. Storyboard/corkboard has been mentioned on Discord; looks as if it could be an easy plugin,  so I assume someone will do one sometime. Most of my use so far has just been experimenting. I will look at Roam,  but at this point I can see reasons for not using it (online database and speed), but nothing to make it better; that could change.

And I have Editpad and Search as alternatives if Obsidian drops the ball.


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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #404 on: June 04, 2020, 10:02 AM »
Do you have the storage location from Obsidian in a sync folder?  Or in a different folder that you sync to your sync service?

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #405 on: June 04, 2020, 11:38 AM »
Was in its own folder,  now in sync folder.

But,  I'm still considering the implications of each approach.
The folders will be copied and backed up in either case.
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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #406 on: June 04, 2020, 12:35 PM »
And I notice that my revised system ticks ALL my boxes, with links between notes being the only exception in a database. And even there they could be reconfigured quite easily.
Now database progs are just for active functions.

I am thinking about having one vault or many. One could easily become too big for Obsidian's search to be fast. And the links depend on Obsidian's search.
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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #407 on: June 04, 2020, 02:04 PM »
I've just noticed that one colour command that rendered as intended a few days ago now no longer does.
You don't get that with rtf.

I've found that you can edit a file that obsidian has open in another program and obsidian just updates when it is saved.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #408 on: June 04, 2020, 02:05 PM »
Was in its own folder,  now in sync folder.

But,  I'm still considering the implications of each approach.
The folders will be copied and backed up in either case.


What are you using to sync?

I've found that you can edit a file that obsidian has open in another program and obsidian just updates when it is saved.

That's a bonus.  Does it automatically sense when a file is saved outside of it?

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #409 on: June 04, 2020, 02:22 PM »
What are you using to sync?
Dropsync/autosync on Android  - still testing
Dropbox itself on Windows

That's a bonus.  Does it automatically sense when a file is saved outside of it?
Not sure - I just wondered what it would do. It updated pretty instantly when I saved though.

What I bear in mind is that current behaviour isn't necessarily locked in. It's surprisingly functional for such an early stage program,  but it is very early.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #410 on: June 04, 2020, 02:43 PM »
I like the fact that there's no lock-in.  I think I'm going to try it.

One thing to watch out for if you're storing directly in dropbox is contention over files.  I use resophnotes syncing simplenote to markdown files in a dropbox folder, and I get duplicates at times named with the file name plus ([MACHINENAME's] CONFLICTED VERSION)

It's hard to get it to sync right from there- the conflicted versions seem to always come back.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #411 on: June 04, 2020, 03:23 PM »
I get duplicates at times named with the file name plus ([MACHINENAME's] CONFLICTED VERSION)

It's hard to get it to sync right from there- the conflicted versions seem to always come back.
Ah!
I just tested and that's what I've found.
So I'll take it out of Dropbox. And copy manually.
I assume it's no better with other cloud drives?

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #412 on: June 04, 2020, 04:23 PM »
I haven't really tried with others.  I've just got syncovery set up to mirror everything now.  I keep them on separate drives too, so that's another level of redundancy.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #413 on: June 04, 2020, 06:24 PM »
Seems as if their HTML sanitizer stripped off the colour etc. I've worked out what syntax to use now for colour and font size, and seems to be compatible with Epsilon Notes instead of Markor.
So Epsilon Notes it is

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #414 on: June 05, 2020, 08:21 AM »
I just had an idea- not exactly sure if it's a good idea or a bad one yet.

In my obsidian vault, I initialized a git repo.  Instead of (or maybe in addition to) syncing it with OneDrive, I'm going to commit it to two remote git repos- one on BitBucket/GitHub/Keybase (haven't decided which) and one on my NAS.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #415 on: June 05, 2020, 02:46 PM »
/tap - massively powerful and totally customizable note-taking system:
https://www.tatatap.com/

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #416 on: June 09, 2020, 08:08 PM »
Now that Roam has opened its gates again I'll have a chance to play with it. I do still like Obsidian, but I've been increasingly wondering whether these two are complementary rather than competitors.
Hard for me to test out since neither have Android apps.
But I definitely have a front end problem as far as getting notes into Obsidian is concerned. And much of what I've seen works best with notes that are more reflective.
I don't know about Roam. I note that it's another one with a kanban option. I'd have to be very focused to test it thoroughly in less than 14 days.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #417 on: June 10, 2020, 07:51 AM »
But I definitely have a front end problem as far as getting notes into Obsidian is concerned.
I'm still playing around with it. Cola Notes is the current focus. Still have to check the compatibility of its markdown. And work out the route into Obsidian. I can sync with a sync app. Or sync within the app - but is safe to allow a Chinese app access to any of my cloud drives? At least it has a widget and development momentum.

Hard to compare Roam with Obsidian when neither have an Android app yet. My money is on Obsidian having one first - like many fashionable cross-platform programs,  Roam seems tilted towards Apple. But Obsidian is developed by the Dynalist people; Quick Dynalist and Dynawrite exist because the native Dynalist app is none too fast for inputting new notes. So I do need to find a good front end system - I can't rely on Obsidian developing one.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #418 on: June 10, 2020, 09:24 AM »
I quickly abandoned Obsidian. There are just a few idiosyncracies I couldn't get past- the most critical being that it doesn't actually use Markdown, just a syntax which is similar to Markdown.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #419 on: June 10, 2020, 09:41 AM »
There are just a few idiosyncracies I couldn't get past- the most critical being that it doesn't actually use Markdown, just a syntax which is similar to Markdown
I hate markdown.
Far too much incompatibility between apps; far too many variations.
It's a babel not a language.
And still many things it doesn't do.

Far too many bits of HTML added to supplement the last. But the choices are often idiosyncratic.

I  like your certainty that there is only one true markdown but I'm not a believer at all.

Like the early days of PCs when there were thousands of models all claiming to be IBM compatible and reviewers had to rate how compatible they were. And we'd probably still be there if Microsoft hadn't 'saved' the day by making MS DOS the standard.

Obsidian does use the wiki [[ but equally accepts the md [](). This feels like a developing standard.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #420 on: June 10, 2020, 09:53 AM »
I  like your certainty that there is only one true markdown but I'm not a believer at all.

There's a markdown that I use, and certain variations from it that I can't deal with.  That's good enough for me.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #421 on: June 10, 2020, 12:54 PM »
Personal Notetaking Desiderata Walkthrough:
https://www.lesswron...siderata-walkthrough

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #422 on: June 10, 2020, 12:58 PM »
Stroll is a notetaking tool built with the TiddlyWiki platform, imitating a number of features of Roam:

bi-directional links,
autocomplete linking,
renaming of links upon changing tiddler titles,
and side-by-side editing of multiple notes:
https://giffmex.org/...roll.experiment.html

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #423 on: June 10, 2020, 03:08 PM »
There's a markdown that I use, and certain variations from it that I can't deal with.

And that makes complete sense to me. And the root of my frustration with markdown.
My advantage is in having nil investment in any particular variation. I can use Obsidian as the standard, it's just finding a convenient front end on Android. But,  really, it doesn't have to be totally compatible because I won't use much formatting in practice.

I believe there will be many more extensions as more people use it and want their needs met. Also believe there's probably more future proofing in rtf, or even docx, if markdown isn't very present proof in actual usage.
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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #424 on: June 10, 2020, 03:11 PM »
Stroll is a notetaking tool built with the TiddlyWiki platform, imitating a number of features of Roam:
Thanks.
I think I looked briefly at its predecessor when the developer mentioned he had moved on to Stroll. I just got put off by the Tiddlywiki base since I just don't get wikis.