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And I believe the very inexpensive Screenshot Reader uses the same engine. 
So for much use Finereader (I do own a copy that I picked up on a special years back) might be overkill.

Thanks for the vector information on Adobe superiority.  I usually scan to text, but this is good to know.

Google searches now have TONS of ADS on each page.

It used to be two or three, now most of the page can be ads.

Which of these programs can effectively post to the Net? (presumably by creating an HTML file).

Allowing that you may have to purchase a domain name and use your hosting platform.


Now, how do you tell mail that it should be in that virtual box.

In TheBat! you can define what is in the box by a right-click, nothing like that here.
I looked around a bit in Searches (TheBat! lets you morph a search into a new virtual mailbox) ..
And I looked around in filters.

Any help appreciated! 


Setting up filters seems to be quirky, although theoretically Pandora can import the Eudora filters.

Looking for how to execute manual filters on highlighted mail (a good feature of Eudora).

And I do not see how you can prescribe various actions, in order, once you have the criteria.

Maybe we have a different idea about what is a virtual mailbox?

It is like a saved search, updated as new mail comes in, or is moved.

Where do you see it on Pandora?


The Hermes people spent a lot of energy on the mission-critical elements, especially the encryption and certificate issues, since that could make and break Eudora.

Virtual mailboxes, the best added feature there imho, would be wonderful, and they give a sketch of what they would like to do, but timing is simply unknown.

With Pandora you have, I believe, one developer, and he knows the code inside out. I still have to look at the virtuals.

Now I am looking at call forwarding (and text forwarding.)

E.g.  I was thinking of going paid with Talkatone - $4 a month.
That opens up forwarding, and It would be nice if I can call Skype or flip-phone, which ringggggg.
(it seems to be only SMS-->SMS and Voice-->Voice)

Also I want to see if Twilio has a phone call, rather than text, mode.
(Already using Twilio in biz to send out SMS.)

I also plan Android testing, maybe using Tasker. 
The architecture is more open for ringing, and in the house it can run off the cable wireless with a cheap leftover tablet. 


This explains the idea.

Voice SMS – text to phone call
Very smart if you for example have an alarm system that would send SMS to people that are on call sleeping. The tiny little signal from an SMS you could easily sleep through, but a call will keep ringing until you pick the phone up! It could be smart to combine it with an SMS too, to make it easier to read it again later, when you´re up…

Good info.

I’ll have took for the virtual folders.  What are they called in Pandora?

Mailing list or box? 
In Eudora I always broke them out when much over 30K to an archive, I think to avoid memory issues.

Pandora has real potential.

I never looked to see if it could do anything past a notification.  A quick look, and it doesn't appear as if that's possible.
Yep. Seems that way with Pushbullet.

Next I will check Pushover, that was recommended by one fellow on a group on Facebook "WooCommerce Help and Share".
Here Pushover discusses some sound issues.

I checked with my developer, who does give 24/7 support, and he works a combo of little rings and notifications, email, SMS, whatever, but nothing real solid, he says he is a light sleeper.

1) A developer supporting a web-site

That's what I use it for.  I can't access my work e-mail unless I'm on the VPN (stupid work rules), so I fire a rule whenever certain e-mails hit my inbox to forward it to my personal mail, that then notifies me by pushbullet.  It works well.
Can you get Pushbullet to be noisy and irritating?

My example is Alarmy. In fact, I am even thinking about using a macro to cause a new Alarmy event. 

Skype calls seem to be loud, as they have good access to the Microsoft API, since they are Microsoft.

Simply a little notification ping is helpful, but not really sufficient.

General Software Discussion / Re: Gmail to SMS
« on: August 24, 2019, 12:15 PM »
So the idea is to get a notification on an ipad when you receive a specific email in gmail on a different machine? Is there a reason why you can't just forward the email to the ipad's email acct as high priority, and turn on appropriate notifications? (like this) Just seems like a lot of plumbing. (Not an Apple user here, maybe the notifications just don't work that well.)
Correct on what I want to accomplish.

Gmail "Notifications" tend to be cheezy.  Little pop-ups that fade away, make no noise or little beeps, and do not even keep an easy-check history.  This is true on both PC and iPad. 

Maybe I missed something but one time I did take a look. 

My SMS/MMS section from Talkatone is far more robust, it does give a general system msg, the history is right there of all the messages  sending person by person, can included pic (not needed though for this app).  They could be louder, I am writing them about the nature of sound.

Pushbullet I am checking now.

Examples of people who need robust reception, and I should ask these types:

1) A developer supporting a web-site
2) A store-manager watching for automatic orders

Note that these should be all night, unless e.g. there is specified quiet times.

General Software Discussion / Re: Gmail to SMS
« on: August 24, 2019, 08:29 AM »
So far, the Gmail to Pushbullet idea looks like the best, using Zapier.

General Software Discussion / Re: Gmail to SMS
« on: August 24, 2019, 07:00 AM »
Have you taken a look at IFTTT?  And if you do decide to go that way, instead of using SMS, you might take a look at Pushbullet.  I have something like that set up where I install pushbullet on my phone, and receive the e-mail alerts for my site being down.
Let us look at IFTTT as a source for either:
1) SMS
2) Pushbullet

With the starting point being Gmail or any Server receiving mail. (e.g. Runbox, Fastmail.)

IFTTT seems to indicate that they only have two basic Gmail actions:
"Unfortunately, this change means that all Gmail triggers and the Create a draft action will be removed from IFTTT. The Gmail actions Send an email and Send yourself an email will remain intact."

Actually, can't Gmail accomplish the same through filters and forwarding?
(Answer..apparently IFTTT creates an on-demand action, maybe on a web-page, also it can send to 20 people, the multiple sending is a trick not easy in the Gmail filters)

At times they go back to the method that needs a smartphone, since an email received at a special carrier's email address converts to SMS.
. A nifty trick with this Applet: Most carriers have a way to send a text message to someone by emailing a specific email address, which you can use to send them an SMS instead of an email using this same Applet!

My goal is to receive my email on my Talkatone SMS number (which Twilio sents to properly).  I am not a big fan of smartphones, I use a clam-shell, for which the text function is rinky-dink.  I will think of getting a SmartPhone.

Do you have more information on using IFTTT in its current state?

Wait .. it would be Gmail to Pushbullet.

So let's see first if Pushbullet can be triggered by an email.

Also, note that, for simplicity, it would be fairly easy to create a special email box (Gmail, Fastmail, Runbox)  that receives redirected mail that is meant to trigger the SMS or Pushbullet or whatever.  That would provide an easy archive and check spot.

Interesting studies.

General Software Discussion / Re: Gmail to SMS
« on: August 23, 2019, 05:46 AM »
This is a promising idea.  Checking it out a bit.

General Software Discussion / Re: forum software
« on: August 22, 2019, 11:25 AM »
Since so many of my Bible friends are on Facebook (with some migrating to MeWe) the Facebook log-in for a forum would be a major plus.  One person would recognize another, and with a click would see a familiar profile.  My feeling is that, if I really want discussions, this is a huge plus.

However, Facebook I think makes the API difficult and changing.

If you know of a forum that has solid Facebook log-in that would be a plus.

With vBulletin I put out a couple of hundred  $$ years ago, then hosting fees only.
So, similarly, I would not balk at some cash for Xenforo.

The "sameness" of Xenforo would not perturb me much, since the goal is practical research and conversation.
And there is probably ways to get around that, if needed.

General Software Discussion / Re: Gmail to SMS
« on: August 22, 2019, 09:47 AM »
And I think the two solutions above are different:

Email Received -- > my-SMS (preferably VOIP Talkatone)


2) Send Email to SMS -

This I could use by a Forward or Redirect method.
However, it likely will not work with a Talkatone or Skype number, since it wants a cell carrier.

It should work if I switch to a SmartPhone (Android or IOS) rather than iPad.
Which is always a possibility.


1) Google Voice - SMS messages arrive in your email, and you can even use email to reply to them. 

However, my starting point is an email received (e.g. Craigslist.)


Talkatone I think uses Google Voice, for me it always seems to be transparent, although this article makes it sound complicated.

Or any email (e.g. Runbox) to SMS.

Preferably an option to just send the Subject line.

Obviously, the sending should be based on a filter (e.g. something in the subject line, or address.)

An account with Twilio (or CloudHQ or RedOxygen or another) is ok, if the price is right.

Also, I would like it to go to my Talkatone account (about 1/2 of SMS recognize such an account, Twilio works fine.)
Or find another method - I can try Skype number - since my normal phone is a clamshell.

The goal is to get the SMS on an iPad.
Even an Android is possible, especially if gives a better alarm.

I will look for more references to place here:

New References Coming Soon

POSSIBILITY - has the feature, will the free account work? 250 actions/month

"Send an SMS in Twilio on a New Email in Gmail"



Integromat - Free on 1,000, $9month/basic




CloudHQ has a plugin

They have a free account, maybe it works? 
And one for $10/month, which would be ok, if it does a few good things.

However, it looks to be manual send to SMS, not automated by trigger.

Same with RedOxygen


Gmail used to have a native method, like here, but I think it ended in 2014

Send Text Messages from your GMail Account (2012)


Apparently Gmail-Twilio-SMS needs some coding action.



In Business, great for new orders.

For car shopping (or any shopping) good for triggers from places like Craigslist.
(One car company, Autotrader, does have SMS alerts.)


General Software Discussion / forum software
« on: August 21, 2019, 08:49 AM »
I actually use a forum software, vBulletin, more as a blog than a forum.

Take a look.

Pure Bible Forum.

It seems to me that it sections out much better than a blog, and has nice ability to quickly put in pictures, change fonts, move posts, etc.
Granted it misses some of the blog niceties, ideally I would coordinate a blog with the forum.

vBulletin has not made everybody happy the last years, I am on V.4 and have no plans to go to V.5.  Yet I do occasionally run into glitches, one would lose data when a page would become white.  Usually a large overloaded thread with many pics.  That experience, which happened a few times and was difficult to troubleshoot, dampened my enthusiasm a bit.

So I may do the couple of hundred dollars and start Xenforo.  Then I actually would add features and plug-ins and perhaps build up a community of sorts.  I would like the Facebook sign-in, since I have many involved in Facebook, but that seems to not really function. Twitter sign-on is supposedly very good.

Then there is SMF and ElkeArte and such, Tuxman talked about them on another thread.  Less or no $, perhaps just as good in many ways.

And I may also use, separately, a forum as an adjunct to an e-commerce biz. (Precious metals.) There are many WordPress plugins that do forums, that are a bit rinnky-dink, that is another alternative. (We use WooCommerce under WordPress.)

Some of the other nouveau forums are here:

Trying to get good SEO without a lot of time/money investment is one factor.

Your free-form thoughts welcome!

(I would keep vBulletin in its blog mode. It does many things very well.)


I usually use their editor for composing, since TheBat! is my master program, even though I have the Eudora editor activated on an email account as well, and it is a more comfortable experience.

And I think my biggest concern is the lack of boxes or quote-boxes. That seems rather primitive for today.  You might mention some other elements?

PCloud has had similar offerings. 
Both are interesting.

One criticism is that if these companies sell too many lifetime subscriptions, that can lead to their short lifetime :).

However, the plus-side view it that these are meant more to generate buzz, and help get a critical mass of customers.

Our last thread touching on these questions:

MakeUseOf: 9 Cleanest & Safest Websites to Download Free Software for Windows
Nov, 2016 - UPDATED 2019

MakeUseOf included Donationcoder, as did this 2018 list:

7 Website to Download Risk Free Software [100% Working Links]
Aug, 2018

8 Safe Websites for Downloading Windows Software
May, 2019
Good comments section, however sans Donationcoder so far


Freeware Files - may be worthy, but does it really care about shamware?


Filehippo is mentioned at times for archiving old versions, which leads to old version sites like:

Last Freeware Version

Old Version

However, we may be going back too many years, and it is a specialty need.


Wikipedia has a checkmark for "Virtual Folders".
I put some comments on the bottom of the "Talk" page

Virtual Folders Ritlabs- TheBat! is very strong. (I have dozens in my Bat.)

Thunderbird-Postbox (not on list) definitely, by saved search. Seamonkey probably, since, like Postbox, afaik it is a fork on a Thunderbird code base. See - https://www.lifewire...-thunderbird-1173118

Afaik, Eudora does not have virtual folders in any way, yet it is marked yes. I am a long-term Eudora user.

And I am a little skeptical about Mailbird, Em Client, and the Opera ("all folders are virtual") entries. Also Pegasus, Poco and Zimbra. Maybe so, but since Eudora was called yes, all should be checked. I will do what I can, only working with Windows clients.

And I recommend adding Pandora and Postbox to the list.

"Opera Mail is at the end-of-life stage of its product lifecycle; this means neither technical support nor product and security updates will be provided. The product is no longer available for download."
It actually does seem to have an interesting architecture.

Lifewire - 2019
"Pegasus Mail does not include virtual folders or labels that would learn by example. If you're accustomed to your email program realizing that you put all your emails from your spouse into a "family" folder, for example, and then shortcutting that move, you'll be disappointed in the inflexibility of Pegasus Mail to automate these tasks for you."

Poco (or its sucessor) seems unlikely.
"PocoMail for Windows is no longer available for sale."
Maybe Barca, but I have not seen the feature.

"The Zimbra Desktop is no longer supported. It will reach the end of Technical Guidance October 1, 2019."


Em Client
Smart Folders are virtual folders that display all messages from a certain folder type (such as Inbox, Outbox, Sent, Unread, Flagged messages, Search Folders or Category folders) from all of your email accounts at once. They can be found in the left pane in the Mail tab, above the folders for your individual accounts. This feature allows you to check all emails without having to go through each separate account individually.
These folders can be enabled/disabled in Menu > Tools > Settings > General > General.

This does seem to be a virtual merged folder, a flat view, but not virtual folders in the sense of
"all emails in any box involving 'Johannine Comma' "


Mailbird has "Unified Inbox Plus" - doubt that they have any real virtual folders, by my understanding
Interesting article and discussion


Bottom line so far -- just TheBat! for real, true, workable virtual folders in an active product.


A bit more.

Should check ChaosSoftware - Chaos Intellect
Compare to Essential PIM if use full Chaos stuff.

EasyMail for GMail - Gmail on your Desktop (Some Notifiers do this too.)

Virtual Mailboxes in Thunderbird, Postbox


In the discussions at TheBat! forum, where one gentleman has some real frustrations, they discuss desktop email client alternatives.

Thunderbird and Postbox (essentially a Thunderbird fork) are the main alternative offered.
And I tend to discuss Eudora-Hermes and Pandora.


"Even better, using ​Saved Search folders you can create "virtual" mailboxes that automatically search for messages matching their criteria in all your Mozilla Thunderbird folders. While the messages remain in the folders they have been filed to, they also show up in all Saved Search folders that find them."

Organization by Folders in Mozilla Thunderbird


Are those updated with new mail downloads?
Are those updated when you move mail around?
... Are they truly equivalent to TheBat! virtual folders?


To us Eudora folks, the program is simply a clean machine.  Granted, you do not have many open independent actions/windows on the Taskbar like you do with TheBat!, Thunderbird and some others.

Imap is not an issue to me. Especially not Gmail Imap.  The numbers never seem right. The actions downhill never seem to take uphill. If I have to access my home base email from a juice bar or cafe, I use Teamviewer, but that is very rare, especially as I use Google accounts in special ways (one for personal important finance and stuff, one for biz on Gsuite, one for travel info, etc.)  If I am travelling for a week or three I usually take the time to put the 100 GB or so home base downloads on my laptop.  Granted, every 5 or 10 years I consider an archive method of putting all the old email in its own spot.

I tried Pegasus, I did not keep notes, it is a good program, I just thought it was not up to Eudora on some of the essentials of filtering and searching.  Maybe the editor was not as crisp, and Eudora has incredible stability. Stuff like that. For fun, I could try it again, especially when 5.0 comes out, see the blog post from a few months ago, where Dave explains some health issues that slowed him down (this year, I am putting aside back years). The forum looks good, one gentleman was upset about moderation of even long-time members. It is not super-active like the Eudora community, a decade and more after Eudora ended.

It is possible the Hermes installer has some funky-dunky elements.  It might be crisper to load the latest Version 7 Eudora, and then copy over the four files from Hermes that essentially fix Eudora for encryption/TSL. That is the impression I got from some posts on the Eudora forum. 

btw, the Eudora forum I mentioned does have a pseudo-archive, that is triggered by searching by sending an email with the search terms.  I am trying it out.  And there is a Yahoogroups second forum that is good also.  TheBat! online forum is ok as is a different email forum. Right now I am trying to find out why the redirect action on filters seems to trigger in manual mode when it is only an Inbox-download filter.  This is the type of stuff where TheBat! can be negatively quirky.

The Bat!, with its virtual folders, is my main program.  I don't think I would switch unless there was a similar virtual mailbox implementation somewhere else.  Does anyone know of a try?  I think Courier had permanent searches, that perhaps got updated, which can be more or less the same thing.


Essential PIM was recently on Bits du Jour.  Apparently their Windows to iPad/Android integration is good, according to one comment. Even without any email, that sounds interesting   I am trying it out.

Efficient PIM may also have such integrations, but I do not see an IOS app.

Who else?  What works good?

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