Author Topic: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten (Read 1037851 times)

wraith808 · « **Reply #800 on:** October 06, 2020, 08:31 AM »

So they're just munged together? i.e. This Is My Topic ######.md?

Dormouse · « **Reply #801 on:** October 06, 2020, 08:48 AM »

20201004 134652 Plasterboards
Or
Plasterboards 20201004 134652
Or
###### 20201004 134652 Plasterboards
Or
###### Plasterboards 20201004 134652

The first two being .md notes
The second two being headings in other notes, and so easily linked in Obsidian.

Obviously I don't bother if I'm not looking for a UID.
Which goes first depends on whether I expect to primarily search/link by date or title - only affects where they come in the list of options.
Also use it when I want to time stamp an entry.

wraith808 · « **Reply #802 on:** October 06, 2020, 08:59 AM »

I'll have to try that. I've been using either/or.

superboyac · « **Reply #803 on:** October 06, 2020, 11:58 AM »

If you don't want the headache of renaming html files constantly....use the ID.md filenames
If you want a descriptive html filename...use a descriptive md file.
-superboyac (October 05, 2020, 12:43 AM)
I use PhraseExpress shortcuts to produce the zet style date/time UIDs, one in a ###### header. I can then add any title text I want either before or after the ID. Any text expander should do this.

So, I can have descriptive titles and UIDs in the same title.
-Dormouse (October 06, 2020, 04:54 AM)

For neuron, this would work, but if you change the title of the note (like the title INSIDE the note or the title meta) then the html filename won't be updated. So the original html filename stays the same.

This might be the best middle ground. Who cares if the title changes a little and the filename doesn't? I don't.
So #### descriptive.md might be the best solution.

Dormouse · « **Reply #804 on:** October 06, 2020, 12:22 PM »

In Obsidian everything is updated with all changes.

superboyac · « **Reply #805 on:** October 06, 2020, 06:20 PM »

PhraseExpress can rename the file based on a tag inside the file??

Dormouse · « **Reply #806 on:** October 06, 2020, 08:52 PM »

I think it could, though that's not what I do. It does have macro functions.
My use of the #s here is for markdown headings rather than tags - that being useful in Obsidian.

panzer · « **Reply #807 on:** October 09, 2020, 03:15 PM »

Encyclopedia of note taking apps:
https://www.noteapps.info/

Dormouse · « **Reply #808 on:** October 09, 2020, 06:01 PM »

Encyclopedia of note taking apps:
https://www.noteapps.info/
-panzer (October 09, 2020, 03:15 PM)

Idiosyncratic selection of a few mostly recent apps so far,
but this quote seems reasonable:

@Conaw has won Twitter, cornering the the market on note app hype.

And this one might explain idiosyncracy:

This site is maintained by a professional researcher who is paid by Amplenote.

Looks biased to me. Under the customer centric heading, they have 'has averaged at least one blog post per month over last year's. Unsurprisingly that's a box Amplenote can tick. And some comments aren't accurate, including at least one about Roam; and I'd hardly describe believer as $100 a year. I can only presume that Amplenote have been given quite a lot of money to throw around.

superboyac · « **Reply #809 on:** October 10, 2020, 08:51 PM »

Encyclopedia of note taking apps:
https://www.noteapps.info/
-panzer (October 09, 2020, 03:15 PM)

people should scour this thread and theyll find a more comrehensive list of apps here.
I can put it all neatly together in a post that would already be better. LOL.

panzer · « **Reply #810 on:** October 11, 2020, 01:39 AM »

Encyclopedia of note taking apps:
https://www.noteapps.info/
-panzer (October 09, 2020, 03:15 PM)
people should scour this thread and theyll find a more comrehensive list of apps here.
I can put it all neatly together in a post that would already be better. LOL.
-superboyac (October 10, 2020, 08:51 PM)

I didn't post it because of limited number of apps (they will add more probably down the road) but because they have a features filter so you can quickly find a most appropriate software for you:
https://www.noteapps.info/features

superboyac · « **Reply #811 on:** October 11, 2020, 04:08 PM »

I'm trying to figure out how to create a service out of the neuron executable. I'm not a linux guy, can anyone help?

I have neuron running on an ubuntu server (cli, no gui).
I understand i have to use systemd to create a service. So I created the service file according to some instructions I found. But I am getting errors about:
bad unit file setting

the file is like this:

Code: Text [Select]

[Unit]
Description=neuron sync2
After=network.target
 
[Service]
Type=simple
User=user1
WorkingDirectory=/home/user1/neuron
ExecStart=neuron -d /home/user1/neuron/sync1 rib -ws 192.168.1.2:9191
Restart=always # or always, on-abort, etc
 
[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

I think the problem is in the workingdirectory or execstart lines.
Any suggestions? When i run the command there in the execstart line manually, everything works perfectly. But I want it a service so it is always running even if it gets killed or rebooted, etc.

40hz · « **Reply #812 on:** October 12, 2020, 06:09 PM »

I think the problem is in the workingdirectory
-superboyac (October 11, 2020, 04:08 PM)

Sounds like systemd can’t find the script.

Check the full path of the neuron directory. Is anything missing? Is user1 inside another folder?

for example, try:

/root/home/user1/neuron
for your working directory entry.

superboyac · « **Reply #813 on:** October 12, 2020, 07:20 PM »

I think the problem is in the workingdirectory
-superboyac (October 11, 2020, 04:08 PM)

Sounds like systemd can’t find the script.

Check the full path of the neuron directory. Is anything missing? Is user1 inside another folder?

for example, try:

/root/home/user1/neuron
for your working directory entry.

-40hz (October 12, 2020, 06:09 PM)

yes that worked! i had to modify a couple of things, but mainly i had to add the full path.
I tried doing some $PATH stuff but couldn't figure it out.

now, it is running successfully as a service, so cool. IN fact, i have two instances running, and can do more, just need to change the port. This is going to take my book writing to a new level. All i need to do is write text files, any changes are instantly updated.

The overall solution to the service was...i make a bash .sh file with the command in there...then i make that service file for it. So two files per service. Amazing. I like it much much better than wordpress; better than any platform i've used.

superboyac · « **Reply #814 on:** October 17, 2020, 04:35 PM »

OK guys, after almost two years of following this discussion, I have achieved the setup that accomplishes the goal I originally wanted....to be able to write books quickly, the way i heard about that luhrman guy. The key is neuron for me as being able to see the website updated instantly as i type has been the most motivating feature for me. Amazing stuff.

I seem to be using Obsidian mostly for writing. Truly amazing setup, i have yearned for this for maybe 15+ years, you can see my posts here lolll.

Dormouse · « **Reply #815 on:** October 17, 2020, 06:32 PM »

they have a features filter so you can quickly find a most appropriate software for you:
https://www.noteapps.info/features
-panzer (October 11, 2020, 01:39 AM)

Problem is that they're wrong or misleading. They have Obsidian up now so I could just read to see how bad it is. Even by the standards of internet reviews, I'd regard it as a very shoddy job.

wraith808 · « **Reply #816 on:** October 17, 2020, 10:10 PM »

they have a features filter so you can quickly find a most appropriate software for you:
https://www.noteapps.info/features
-panzer (October 11, 2020, 01:39 AM)
Problem is that they're wrong or misleading. They have Obsidian up now so I could just read to see how bad it is. Even by the standards of internet reviews, I'd regard it as a very shoddy job.
-Dormouse (October 17, 2020, 06:32 PM)

Totally agreed. Didn't even have to look far to see how far afield they went on some of their evaluations.

JavaJones · « **Reply #817 on:** October 17, 2020, 10:40 PM »

OK guys, after almost two years of following this discussion, I have achieved the setup that accomplishes the goal I originally wanted....to be able to write books quickly, the way i heard about that luhrman guy. The key is neuron for me as being able to see the website updated instantly as i type has been the most motivating feature for me. Amazing stuff.

I seem to be using Obsidian mostly for writing. Truly amazing setup, i have yearned for this for maybe 15+ years, you can see my posts here lolll.
-superboyac (October 17, 2020, 04:35 PM)

That's amazing, congrats! Obsidian seems like a good bet to me in this space, just generally speaking. I don't agree with all their choices and am waiting for some functionality to come natively or in plugins, but compared to the mess that is Roam, and the proprietary nature on top of that, yeah...

- Oshyan

superboyac · « **Reply #818 on:** October 18, 2020, 02:48 PM »

I'm also using Obsidian primarily for writing and editing. I'm hoping for more funcionality and customizeability on the linking and such features.

for example, with neuron, there is a nice feature where you can use triple brackets in addition to normal linking (double brackets). What this accomplishes is a more important kind of "link" than the regular links. Regular links will work as expected. These triple bracket links do the same, except on the index page that gets automatically generated, it will create a heirarchy (tree) based on the triple links. So you can control this, wheras the other links cannot be controlled in such a fashion (normal links won't affect this heirarchy).

The problem is...ALL of the software (obsidian, vs code, etc.) won't recognize the triple link as even a regular link. Like in the graph, double links will result in a connection line. But with the triple link, there is no connection line. So I'd like an editor that can show the line even with the triple bracket. Seems minor to me.

JavaJones · « **Reply #819 on:** October 18, 2020, 06:24 PM »

for example, with neuron, there is a nice feature where you can use triple brackets in addition to normal linking (double brackets). What this accomplishes is a more important kind of "link" than the regular links. Regular links will work as expected. These triple bracket links do the same, except on the index page that gets automatically generated, it will create a heirarchy (tree) based on the triple links. So you can control this, wheras the other links cannot be controlled in such a fashion (normal links won't affect this heirarchy).
-superboyac (October 18, 2020, 02:48 PM)

Interesting, I hadn't seen that. I like the idea of an ability to add some hierarchy, optionally. But not sure if I'd want to be done with *even more brackets*. 😄 I already find double brackets annoying enough. But yeah, I like the root idea.

- Oshyan

wraith808 · « **Reply #820 on:** October 18, 2020, 10:29 PM »

But not sure if I'd want to be done with *even more brackets*. 😄 I already find double brackets annoying enough. But yeah, I like the root idea.
-JavaJones (October 18, 2020, 06:24 PM)

Agreed. And I'm not really keen on adding features by changing the plain text document markup in ways that are proprietary to a certain set of tools.

superboyac · « **Reply #821 on:** October 19, 2020, 01:40 AM »

It's not proprietary. This guy is furthest from that as possible. The triple bracket is simply an optional functional workaround to match better than luhrman's method of branching topics. I think all the zettel software have certain workarounds, I don't think you can escape it.

wraith808 · « **Reply #822 on:** October 19, 2020, 11:31 AM »

It's not proprietary. This guy is furthest from that as possible. The triple bracket is simply an optional functional workaround to match better than luhrman's method of branching topics. I think all the zettel software have certain workarounds, I don't think you can escape it.
-superboyac (October 19, 2020, 01:40 AM)

Proprietary might be the wrong term; It's a feature that is their specific implementation, so locks you in as you have a feature that you get used to using. You can get locked into something more obviously by having your files held hostage by their system or the file format be something that is unable to be used elsewhere. But a more insidious one is to enhance the format with features that are not usable in other software. I dislike these because when that format is used in other software, it is obvious that there is something missing.

superboyac · « **Reply #823 on:** October 19, 2020, 12:16 PM »

I see. But I still see it as inescapable. All the tools out there are doing something to deal with links, tags, etc.

by the way, it's optional, you don't have to use it.

the problem is there are multiple types of links...
there's the zettel branch link, the kind the og luhrman was using
then there's normal links, which paper didnt have (links to outside sites, etc.)
then there's links that you don't want to be a branch or formal sub-topic. i use these as my in-line links.

anyway, the other thing everyone has to hack with md files is the title and ID thing that I was hung up about initially.

I don't see any way around these until everyone comes to a standard on both markdown and html conversion.

wraith808 · « **Reply #824 on:** October 19, 2020, 12:58 PM »

I see. But I still see it as inescapable. All the tools out there are doing something to deal with links, tags, etc.
-superboyac (October 19, 2020, 12:16 PM)

Are they? I haven't seen anything of that nature (other than [[]] which is becoming ubiquitous) in any of the solutions that I've tried.