Author Topic: Show us a picture of your.. CAR!!! (Read 142170 times)

Deozaan · « **Reply #75 on:** August 02, 2013, 05:14 PM »

Thanks for that... I'm checking it out... but I think I'm all in.
-wraith808 (August 01, 2013, 08:46 PM)

Oh yeah, I'm ALL IN with the non-refundable $1000. Now for the hard part, waiting for it to come off the assembly-line.....
-Tinman57 (August 02, 2013, 03:43 PM)

The only two things I still have to research are the maintenance/parts and acceleration. [...] And they mention top speed... but not acceleration...
-wraith808 (August 02, 2013, 04:01 PM)

(Emphasis added below)

Fast Facts
Top speed is in excess of 100 MPH, and the 0-60 speed is under 9.6 seconds. So it’s not exotic sports car fast, but it’s not slow, either. And while a gas-guzzling muscle car might pass you, no one will pass gas stations like you.
-https://www.eliomotors.com/my-strengths/

wraith808 · « **Reply #76 on:** August 02, 2013, 05:59 PM »

Ah... I didn't see the 0..60. Thanks Deo.

And as far as the availability, I'm looking at this like what it is... a startup. And with it being a startup, none of the things in standard auto manufacturing are a certainty. So I'm looking at it with a much finer eye than I might if it was from an established manufacturer, especially as Paul Elio's strength seems to not be in that part of the process, but more towards the prototyping and engineering stage.

More information that I've dredged up:

http://www.popularme...-wheel-cars-15506622
http://www.esgeng.com/ (former company)
http://www.spoke.com...29c09e597c1003872ce3 (has more about the other people in the company)
http://investing.bus...?privcapId=141045816
http://www.consumerr...sportation/index.htm
http://gas2.org/2013...wheeler-why-it-cant/ (interesting op ed)

Again, nothing bad... I really want this to be what it is. But I'm always one to do my due diligence

Shades · « **Reply #77 on:** August 02, 2013, 06:09 PM »

as i did not encounter mobile refuelling stations for cars (similar to inflight refuelling with aeroplanes) in physical form and i don't want to search for it on my teeny tiny mobile phone, i would guess that every living soul is able to pass a gasstation on raw speed alone....without really trying, hehehe

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #78 on:** August 02, 2013, 06:09 PM »

Um... I hate to be harsh, but... a 1970 Dodge Challenger would do 0-60 in 7.0. So for something that is classified as a motorcycle ... That is slow.

Tinman57 · « **Reply #79 on:** August 02, 2013, 08:15 PM »

Um... I hate to be harsh, but... a 1970 Dodge Challenger would do 0-60 in 7.0. So for something that is classified as a motorcycle ... That is slow.
-Stoic Joker (August 02, 2013, 06:09 PM)

Physics being what they are, you have a choice between economy or speed. The Elio is built for super economy, safety and reliability. Even then, a 2010 Harley Sportster 883 Iron, which is a performance bike, does 0 -60 in 6.6 seconds. The Elio is only 3 seconds slower and get's about 33 more MPG.
Now lets add some more facts:
Inside an Elio on a 105 degree day the temp will be, well...how cold do you want it to be? Just set the dial on the temp knob. On a motorcycle, 105 degrees + ever how much engine heat your getting.
In an Elio, get hit from the side or back. Front and/or side airbags deploy and the steel cage protects you. Motorcycle..... you go "Crunch".
An Elio in the winter, say 17 degrees F. How warm do you want it inside the Elio? Just set the heat dial. Motorcycle......17 degrees F. Your privates are now turning blue.
In an Elio, pouring down rain outside. Inside the Elio, nice dry and warm. Motorcycle.... wet and cold, even with wet weather gear.
The list could go on and on, not to mention not having to wear a helmet, but I think you get the picture.....

I've been on bikes all my life. My last motorcycle was a Suzuki GSXR1100G with a Vance & Hines Stage 3 Kit and V&H Competition Only exhaust. It did 0 - 60 in 1.9 seconds in first gear and had a top end of 160 mph. I've wanted another bike and came close to buying a Harley several times. But because of my disability I would probably dump the bike as soon as I came to a stop. Then I was going to buy a Can-Am 3 wheeler, don't have to worry about dropping it, but then have to put up with the weather conditions, and with the drugs I'm on I don't do heat very well, to the point of throwing up and going in shock.
Then my step-dad, that lives close to the Elio factory, called and told me about the Elio. I started digging into all the info and fell in love. Now I'm just waiting for mine to roll out of the factory, FULLY LOADED!

mouser · « **Reply #80 on:** August 02, 2013, 08:28 PM »

Maybe this can be the codymobile?

Would be nice

Tell Elio to send me a free one.

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #81 on:** August 02, 2013, 09:49 PM »

Um... I hate to be harsh, but... a 1970 Dodge Challenger would do 0-60 in 7.0. So for something that is classified as a motorcycle ... That is slow.
-Stoic Joker (August 02, 2013, 06:09 PM)

Physics being what they are, you have a choice between economy or speed.
-Tinman57 (August 02, 2013, 08:15 PM)

That's a myth, and a damn sad one at that. Regardless of what eco-spastic Prius types want to spew in an attempt to get everyone else to castrate themselves. The fact is that the primary design premise for both performance and economy are identically and precisely the same. That being the highest combustion efficiency per cycle. Half the yahoos the buy those pathetic eco boxes end up getting worse mileage because you gotta slam the petal to the floor and pray you can make it through the intersection before the light turns red again. Ford OTOH did a brilliant job with the Mustang which gets 35mpg while still making 305hp. That is an intelligent balance point between the two. Putting a cocktail straw in the intake doesn't guarantee you good mileage ... It does however prevent one from getting any useful horsepower.

The Elio is built for super economy, safety and reliability. Even then, a 2010 Harley Sportster 883 Iron, which is a performance bike, does 0 -60 in 6.6 seconds. The Elio is only 3 seconds slower and get's about 33 more MPG.
-Tinman57 (August 02, 2013, 08:15 PM)

3 seconds in a drag race is a country freaking mile, and the Sportster is a girls bike. My rather not stock 87 FLHTP - which I've had for close to 20 years - will do 0-60 in about 4 seconds and gets close to 50 mpg. Point I was making is that 9.6 seconds is slow for a motorcycle...and it is...just ain't no way around that. It's not atrocious...but is just a bit...slow. Ya know?

In an Elio, get hit from the side or back. Front and/or side airbags deploy and ~~the steel cage protects you~~.
-Tinman57 (August 02, 2013, 08:15 PM)

...You are trapped in a beer can that's being crushed with a balloon.

I've been hit on a bike before, more than once. Rolled onto one guy's hood...and then got up...and kicked out his windshield.

Now lets add some more facts:
...
-Tinman57 (August 02, 2013, 08:15 PM)

Okay, I've been riding on the street since I was 14, and I'm almost 50 now ... So yes, I'm familiar with the weather. I've run across Tennessee length wise on a 110 degree day, and best I can tell...it wasn't fatal.

I've been on bikes all my life.
-Tinman57 (August 02, 2013, 08:15 PM)

Me too, hence the original comment. I just chose to use an old school muscle car as an example because of its (relatively obvious) seriously inferior power-to-weight-ratio. Which yet still managed to be 30+% faster. Which frankly I'd blame the DOT for. ...Or the air conditioning ... It's a coin toss.

My last motorcycle was a Suzuki GSXR1100G with a Vance & Hines Stage 3 Kit and V&H Competition Only exhaust. It did 0 - 60 in 1.9 seconds in first gear and had a top end of 160 mph.
-Tinman57 (August 02, 2013, 08:15 PM)

Hm... I'd of thought it should top out closer to 185 at stage 3, unless it was geared really low. Back when I was about 17 I had a 74 Kawasaki Z1 that had been tricked out by one of the local semi pro drag racers of the time. I got clocked by the local Sheriff's department at 155 mph on that damn thing one night on a new years eve.

I've wanted another bike and came close to buying a Harley several times. But because of my disability I would probably dump the bike as soon as I came to a stop. Then I was going to buy a Can-Am 3 wheeler, don't have to worry about dropping it, but then have to put up with the weather conditions, and with the drugs I'm on I don't do heat very well, to the point of throwing up and going in shock.
-Tinman57 (August 02, 2013, 08:15 PM)

Hay, better 3 wheels than four. But enough with the weather already... I get enough of that crap from the wife who's been menopausal for going on 13 years now.

The Can-Ams are just flat out F'ugly.

The Elio I've no problem with. It's kind of slick looking and is American made ... It's just a bit slow for a motorcycle.

Shades · « **Reply #82 on:** August 02, 2013, 10:41 PM »

Good mileage has also a lot to do with weight/mass of a car.

Acceleration of a mass requires exponential input of energy, not linear amount of input. Moving a mass through air makes sure of that and aerodynamics cannot fix that, only partially negate it.

Friction on the surface that enables acceleration is always a problem, but you need it else you'll loose grip. And all of these negatives become more prevalent above 55 to 60MPH.

Stay below that speed and your engine can be a lot smaller and more efficient without giving up too much acceleration capacity. 50 to 60 miles per gallon is quite attainable even with current day tech.

And you'll get even more MPG's if you trade your lead foot in for a plastic one.

In short: people want their cars to go too fast too quickly and then complain that they have to spend so much on gas bills.

Every one likes to go to their destination as fast as they can, myself included. When you take a look at the amount of energy that has to put into your vehicle of choice to cut 5 minutes of travel time, or leave home 5 minutes earlier and see how money that already saves, you would be amazed.

That money you can spend on other fun things. Going fast is fun for me, so I don't mind occasionally spending money on that.

And there are also times when cruising can be just as fun, especially in a country where the average age is still under 30 years, has more women than men and summer practically all-year-round.

You learn to appreciate reggeaton music quite quickly over here, I can tell you that much. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that beer is sold in liter bottles over here...

cmpm · « **Reply #83 on:** August 03, 2013, 05:30 AM »

If I was to go as small as the Elio, I'd opt for a Fiat 500.
Better looking and better style that will last a lot longer than these other small "things". More money I'm pretty sure. But it's been around a while and a lot of options and standard equipment is up there with higher trim level sedans and coupes. http://www.topspeed....fiat-500/ke1708.html

Gas mileage depends a lot on the foot, as everyone knows. Or hills...
The Accord gets over 30 driving easy around town, and as high as 48 with city/highway miles.

The "blue technology" by VW, boasting over 50mpg, is a shut off the engine when stopped deal, and fires back up when you hit the gas. Ford has that option on some of their cars. I don't think I would like that at all. But it seems smarter.

Back to the Fiat. Lighter is faster, no doubt. A lighter car can be a lot faster then a car that has 100 horsepower more imo, with the better technology of getting all the power to the wheels quicker. Some of the smaller motors, 4 cylinders, of today get more horsepower than some of the older v8s.

cmpm · « **Reply #84 on:** August 03, 2013, 05:37 AM »

I meant to add that in addition to the stop start tech for fuel mileage, is the use of low resistance tires and better coasting ability without a lot of drag on the engine when you let off the gas.

The CVT transmission contributes a lot to less drag and better mpg. It's design is to keep an even amount of g-force accelerating and, by what I've observed, keeping the rpms below 3000, if I don't push the pedal a lot. I can drop it down to sport and it will wind out the gears, more like a standard automatic at higher rpms. I think the Honda cvt is better than most cvts except maybe the Nissan.

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #85 on:** August 03, 2013, 08:25 AM »

Good mileage has also a lot to do with weight/mass of a car.
-Shades (August 02, 2013, 10:41 PM)

As does performance, either way you go performance or economy...you're still dealing with the exact same factors: Power to weight ratio, max combustion efficiency, and (as you bring up later) wind resistance at speed.

Acceleration of a mass requires exponential input of energy, not linear amount of input. Moving a mass through air makes sure of that and aerodynamics cannot fix that, only partially negate it.

Friction on the surface that enables acceleration is always a problem, but you need it else you'll loose grip. And all of these negatives become more prevalent above 55 to 60MPH.

Stay below that speed and your engine can be a lot smaller and more efficient without giving up too much acceleration capacity. 50 to 60 miles per gallon is quite attainable even with current day tech.
-Shades (August 02, 2013, 10:41 PM)

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding..! Bingo! Precisely my point. The engine can be a lot smaller...but it doesn't have to be smaller (or the size of a weed whacker for that matter.

My wife has an 07 Dodge Caliber - sure great mileage but... I worry about her driving it because it doesn't have enough ass to get out of its own way. The spastically peaky little 4 cyl is geared so low in first that it's jerky to launch on a good day and impossible to launch in the rain.

OTOH I took a 13 Ford Fusion for a drive a few months ago and found its performance to be quite acceptable. It felt solid, handled well, launched very smoothly, accelerated reasonably well (for a car), and with its 35 mpg rating I'd say it's a damn fine balance.

And you'll get even more MPG's if you trade your lead foot in for a plastic one.
-Shades (August 02, 2013, 10:41 PM)

Agreed, as obvious as this point should be ... it ain't.

In short: people want their cars to go too fast too quickly and then complain that they have to spend so much on gas bills.

Every one likes to go to their destination as fast as they can, myself included. When you take a look at the amount of energy that has to put into your vehicle of choice to cut 5 minutes of travel time, or leave home 5 minutes earlier and see how money that already saves, you would be amazed.
-Shades (August 02, 2013, 10:41 PM)

Um... not so fast there friend. You see even in the hypermiling crowd one of the primary rules is acceleration cost money, don't do it. best way to avoid is? Stay. Off. The. Breaks. Once again...(in both performance and economy)...consistency rules...because top speed is less important than average speed.

Sadly cars just like computers suffer greatly from stupid people syndrome. They say just give me something that will magically use less gas without making me think about (my role in the process) what I'm doing. Enter the Eco-gelding.

Ford Fusion 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times
2006 Ford Fusion SEL (V6) 0-60 mph 7.3 Quarter mile 15.5
2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid 0-60 mph 7.8 Quarter Mile 15.8
2011 Ford Fusion Sport AWD 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter Mile 15.0
2013 Ford Fusion Titanium 2.0L EcoBoost 0-60 mph 6.7 Quarter Mile 14.9 (Now THAT's what I'm talking about - Balance)
2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid 0-60 mph 8.5 Quarter Mile 16.2
2013 Ford Fusion SE 1.6L EcoBoost 0-60 mph 7.9 Quarter Mile 15.9

Toyota Prius Hybrid Car 0 to 60 mph and Quarter Mile Times
2001 Toyota Prius Hybrid 0-60 mph 12.9 Quarter Mile 19.0 (I think I'm gonna be sick...)
2004 Toyota Prius Hybrid 0-60 mph 10.1 (test clock didn't count that high)
2007 Toyota Prius Touring Edition Hybrid 0-60 mph 9.9 (test clock didn't count that high)
2010 Toyota Prius Hybrid 0-60 mph 9.7 (test clock didn't count that high)
2011 Toyota Prius Hybrid 0-60 mph 9.7 Quarter Mile 17.1
2012 Toyota Prius Plug-In Hybrid 0-60 mph 10.9 Quarter Mile 18.5 (make it stop mommy!!!)
2012 Toyota Prius V 0-60 mph 10.2 Quarter Mile 17.8
2013 Toyota Prius C 0-60 mph 10.7 Quarter Mile 18.0 (for those that can't translate these numbers properly 18 seconds is approximately 1 calendar week)

cmpm · « **Reply #86 on:** August 03, 2013, 09:06 AM »

2013 Accord Sedan LX I4

Zero to 60 mph: 6.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.3 sec @ 93 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 180 ft

Had it up to 100mph between Memphis and Little Rock.
Would not up shift past about 60mph that I could feel.
@100mph it was at around 5000rpm

btw, I don't use the ECO button, the car will not respond properly imo
and I did better gas mileage with it off instead of on

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #87 on:** August 03, 2013, 09:44 AM »

Yes, granted I've an obvious bias towards American cars, but I have a soft spot for Honda as I do like how they build their engines (very easy to work on).

The Accord is not an Econo-box, and as your numbers show affords a good, reasonable, and safe balance. Conversely the so called "Smart Cars" are death traps.

cmpm · « **Reply #88 on:** August 03, 2013, 10:20 AM »

yeah on the smart car thingy
I would not trust GM with my safety in a small car like that.
Still to this day GM has not even come close to the imports in the smaller cars. Ford seems to be doing better. I think Ford nearly lost all their customer loyalty with the Escort and the Probe. It wasn't until a few years ago they finally made the Mustang a worthy sports car.
The '13 Honda 2.4 I4 has direct injection that their previous I4s never had. So that puts them up in the competition. But there is not a Turbo charged engine yet from Honda. I don't think it will happen with the goal of economy class fuel mileage. Plus without Turbo, regular gas can be used instead of premium.

cmpm · « **Reply #89 on:** August 03, 2013, 10:28 AM »

Still to this day GM has not even come close to the imports in the smaller cars.

I may have to eat those words, I have not checked out the new Cruz.

cmpm · « **Reply #90 on:** August 03, 2013, 01:05 PM »

@ Shades I agree that leaving 5 minutes early helps save energy.
When I'm not rushed, I drive without as much stress. So I don't stress the car either. Take off slower and keep my foot out of the tank.

Tinman57 · « **Reply #91 on:** August 03, 2013, 08:02 PM »

That's a myth, and a damn sad one at that.
-Stoic Joker (August 02, 2013, 09:49 PM)

Sorry, you can't argue with physics. It's a scientific known that you can only get X amount of power out of a gallon of gasoline. Most of the energy in a car is wasted in the form of heat, then there's friction and other factors (a bunch of factors). Sure you can use a lot of technology and get superb power and economy, but just look at the price of those Mustangs and you'll figure out why they cost so damned much. (BTW, I just sold a 70 Boss 351 Mustang). So most car manufacturors either go for fuel economy or power. Then they put out one or two that has both but at one hell of an expensive price tag, the tech cost money.

Take a look at the cage that surrounds the Elio, your not going to get crunched unless someone hits you at an extremely high speed. Even a tank will come apart if something hits it fast enough. I've been hit on my bike too, in fact, that's why I no longer have my GSXR 1100, some 15 year old teeny-bopper gal ran over me, and I do mean OVER ME. I had the tire imprints on my ass to prove it. Sorry, but I'll take the cage over nothing any day.

My GSXR was geared low, I think first gear had the highest ratio of all the gears, up to 60 mph. Seconds gear only got me up to 90.

I've had performance cars all my life, mostly 70 Mustangs. I also have a heavy foot, I don't take five minutes to get up to 60 like most grandpa's. lol In fact, I hate getting behind those slow ass grandpa's, which is why I bought a turbocharged performance car, very little patience.

The only reason the Elio is classified as a motorcycle is because it only has 3 wheels. It's actually a motorcycle/car hybrid, which makes it that much more unusual, and good looking at the same time. If you read Elio's biography, you'll see the idea behind the Elio is a car that gets ultimate gas mileage and can be afforded by all, can even be bought with a credit card. I can afford just about anything I want, but I fell in love with the Elio for it's style and super gas mileage to top it off. If I should decide that I want more umph out of it, I'll just slap on a turbocharger.....

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #92 on:** August 04, 2013, 11:51 AM »

That's a myth, and a damn sad one at that.
-Stoic Joker (August 02, 2013, 09:49 PM)

Sorry, you can't argue with physics. It's a scientific known that you can only get X amount of power out of a gallon of gasoline. Most of the energy in a car is wasted in the form of heat, then there's friction and other factors (a bunch of factors).
-Tinman57 (August 03, 2013, 08:02 PM)

Quite to the contrary my friend ... I'm not arguing the physics...merely how they're being applied. I'm well aware of there being a fixed amount of energy in said gallon of gas. And that there is an inherent loss of ~80% between combustion pressure and tire patch. That part is indeed pointless to debate.

My point is that the previous held and still sadly quite common (axiom?) belief that one must settle for either economy (e.g. MPG) or performance is solely based on the antiquated technology commonly knows as the carburetor. The carburetor, being nothing more than a variable rate leak between the tank and engine... Had to be of a predetermined fixed size and quickly fell out of range due to an entire rang of atmospheric variables. You had either large (performance) or small (MPG) and ever forward you were stuck with what ever you picked.

Enter EFI...

Sure you can use a lot of technology and get superb power and economy, but just look at the price of those Mustangs and you'll figure out why they cost so damned much. (BTW, I just sold a 70 Boss 351 Mustang). So most car manufacturors either go for fuel economy or power. Then they put out one or two that has both but at one hell of an expensive price tag, the tech cost money.
-Tinman57 (August 03, 2013, 08:02 PM)

Price is irrelevant...the question on the table is... Does the technology exist? Well... The mere fact that some of the vehicles are actually available at dealerships today ... Does rather go a long ways towards supporting my assertion. Not to mention that many of the European super cars not only get several hundred horsepower per CI more than we seem to be able to pull off, but also have a handy option to switch engine maps for even more HP on the fly. Well, it just looks to me like somebody in engineering just isn't trying hard enough.

So if you really look at the price of the various models today (the wife and I have been quite a bit lately), you will see that the models that I'm referring to are actually in the center of the price range...not the top. The top slot is reserved exclusively for the eco-spastic hybrid models that try to get 50+ MGP usually by primarily running on a set of excruciatingly expensive ($3,000 -$5,000) batteries.

Being that my truck is currently in the frame shop after I got hit, and my bike was having issues (hay it is an 87...) My brother and I had to use the wife's (econo-box) Dodge Caliber to make a parts run. While having (almost exclusively) driven all manner of high performance vehicles ... I have never in my life been that flat out scared as I was at the prospect of trying to launch that gutless POS across traffic on a busy highway. Slamming the petal to/through the floor resulted in what I will simply describe as no discernible effect. And that was after waiting almost 10 minutes (as traffic piled up behind me) for a hole in traffic that was large enough to increase the odds of getting killed to at least 50/50.

That is just flat-out not an acceptable way to design a "modern day" car. There are options...and my life is worth the price (to me of course..

).

Take a look at the cage that surrounds the Elio, your not going to get crunched unless someone hits you at an extremely high speed. Even a tank will come apart if something hits it fast enough. I've been hit on my bike too, in fact, that's why I no longer have my GSXR 1100, some 15 year old teeny-bopper gal ran over me, and I do mean OVER ME. I had the tire imprints on my ass to prove it. Sorry, but I'll take the cage over nothing any day.
-Tinman57 (August 03, 2013, 08:02 PM)

Hay man, I hear you... This is why I have a truck for those days I really just want to level the playing field against stupid people. There is a good and obvious chance that if I'd of been on the bike was I was rear-ended at ~50mph that my day could have sucked a lot more. If just never been really warm-and-fuzzy with the whole balloon in a tin can version of crash safety. But then again my definition of a (real) car is more along these lines:

Show us a picture of your.. CAR!!!

My GSXR was geared low, I think first gear had the highest ratio of all the gears, up to 60 mph. Seconds gear only got me up to 90.
-Tinman57 (August 03, 2013, 08:02 PM)

Ah! close ratio tranny, I'm running one also (fun stuff). But I went tall on the final drive so my launch is a bit sluggish ... but the old girl is long legged as hell when she gets rolling.

I've had performance cars all my life, mostly 70 Mustangs. I also have a heavy foot, I don't take five minutes to get up to 60 like most grandpa's. lol In fact, I hate getting behind those slow ass grandpa's, which is why I bought a turbocharged performance car, very little patience.
-Tinman57 (August 03, 2013, 08:02 PM)

Cool, my brother has a 66 Mustang that we due to start restoring shortly (now that the Softtail project is finished). We really do have much in common in the grandpa department.

The only reason the Elio is classified as a motorcycle is because it only has 3 wheels ... If I should decide that I want more umph out of it, I'll just slap on a turbocharger.....
-Tinman57 (August 03, 2013, 08:02 PM)

Right (3 wheels - knew that), (turbo) now you talking!

Tinman57 · « **Reply #93 on:** August 04, 2013, 08:25 PM »

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-Stoic Joker (August 04, 2013, 11:51 AM)

Sorry Stoic, but because of a focus problem with my browser, I can't keep all the quotes and edit.

I see where your coming from on the tech, but one big difference between Aussie cars or any other country for that matter, in the U.S. there's that dumbass Pollution Control laws that makes the manufacturers add on all kinds of crap to the engines that degrade horsepower and economy. California is even worse with their pollution control pumps that eat up more energy. What's sad is with these pollution control devices not only using more energy, but changing one type of poison to another plus adding a buttload of money onto the price of the car.
Take that nice n fast Mustang with it's 35 mpg, remove all the pollution control crap from it, and watch it gain anywhere from 20 to 40 horsepower.

Now for Caddies, I used to have a red 1962 Cadillac De Ville that had a 525 CI engine. It was basically an aircraft carrier that got like 12 miles to the gallon. Of course if it had the modern day pollution controls it wouldn't get but about 8 mpg.

I also had a 1967 Mustang GTA (Which means with an automatic tranny) with the 289 HiPo and factory Keystone Classics. My god that thing was beautiful, Midnight Blue, and very fast too.

When I didn't have my foot in the carburetor I was getting around 22 mpg.

allen · « **Reply #94 on:** August 05, 2013, 10:50 AM »

The whole fleet

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #95 on:** September 02, 2013, 07:04 PM »

Well, after 20 years of faithful service and a good deal of agonizing...(I do tend to get attached)...I finally decided it was time to update my ride.

So... my new "little friend" (as of yesterday) is a 2010 FLTRX:

Show us a picture of your.. CAR!!!

mouser · « **Reply #96 on:** May 28, 2014, 05:01 PM »

What car accessories and mods to people have installed?

Shades · « **Reply #97 on:** May 28, 2014, 05:45 PM »

Fluffy dice on the mirror...
Fox tail on the (always extended) antenna...
Kit that makes the previous (or next) model of your car look faster, with mismatching colors of course...
Rims that are (much) more expensive than the whole car...(they're spinning...they're spinning!!)

barney · « **Reply #98 on:** May 28, 2014, 06:08 PM »

You left out

the Bondian license plate changer and pop-up machine guns and bullet-proof rear shield and the oil slick sprayed from the exhaust
The Helmian scrolling messager on the rear bumper
(my favorite) the old Saturday matinee paint shooting out of the grill while at speed that re-colored the car w/o having any effect on the windshield.

mouser · « **Reply #99 on:** May 28, 2014, 06:39 PM »

What about those nice big aftermarket rear view mirrors that clip on and reduce blindspots (they have some addons for side mirrors too).