Author Topic: 2013 Version: Browser Wars (Read 74390 times)

Tinman57 · « **Reply #50 on:** February 02, 2013, 08:22 PM »

I get the best of all 3 worlds by using Avant Browser which incorporates Chrome, Firefox and IE.
-Tinman57 (February 01, 2013, 05:28 PM)

monitoring, memory leaks, insecurities ?

-4wd (February 01, 2013, 07:27 PM)

Well, it's only as good as the browser engines, though it has stripped out the Chrome spying crap, and the last two versions of Firefox has cured the memory problems.

KynloStephen66515 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 02, 2013, 10:16 PM »

I get the best of all 3 worlds by using Avant Browser which incorporates Chrome, Firefox and IE.
-Tinman57 (February 01, 2013, 05:28 PM)

You missed Opera so you actualy get the worst of the 3 xD

Edvard · « **Reply #52 on:** February 02, 2013, 10:36 PM »

My biggest problem with Chrome is that I can't escape the feeling that more is going on under the hood than I know about. Mostly in terms of tracking what I'm doing. Maybe it's excessive paranoia on my part. But enough companies (that should know better) have been caught playing those games that I don't think I'm completely crazy being concerned about it.

Tracking my personal browsing is an annoyance that would offend me if I discovered it happened. But I really don't care so much about that. What I do worry about is what may be seen when I access some of my clients' web-based systems. Because I have liability exposure if something leaks or gets compromised because of me.
-40hz (January 28, 2013, 08:37 PM)

I use Chromium because it (well, at least the Debian distribution) doesn't have "phone home" stuff nor Google Updater. I suppose I could use SRWare Iron as well, but I've got a lazy side and Chromium is in the repos.

Chrome vs. Chromium:
https://code.google....rowserVsGoogleChrome
http://blog.chromium...mium-and-google.html
https://answers.laun...wser/+question/91457

Chrome vs. SRWare Iron:
http://www.srware.ne...n_chrome_vs_iron.php

Chromium for Windows:
http://commondatasto...h=Win/&sort=desc
Portable:
http://sourceforge.n...projects/crportable/

SRWare Iron:
http://www.srware.ne...ware_srware_iron.php
For Linux:
http://www.srware.ne....php?f=18&t=6457

I have Opera installed, but hardly ever use it except as a novelty. Never noticed any glitches, but no kudos either. Maybe I should do the "immersion test" and make it my default browser for a week and see how it stacks up.

f0dder · « **Reply #53 on:** February 02, 2013, 11:08 PM »

You missed Opera so you actualy get the worst of the 3 xD
-Stephen66515 (February 02, 2013, 10:16 PM)

Meh.

I gave Opera a try on my Nexus 7 - it's supposed to be fast & optimized and whatnot, so that'd make sense on a tablet (even if the N7 packs some oomph). It is sloooooow. Seems to load pages slower than both Chrome and Firefox, and scrolling is extremely sluggish. And it also often chooses default zoom levels that are way too zoomed out, resulting in almost unreadable text until you zoom in manually.

Tinman57 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 03, 2013, 08:27 PM »

I get the best of all 3 worlds by using Avant Browser which incorporates Chrome, Firefox and IE.
-Tinman57 (February 01, 2013, 05:28 PM)

You missed Opera so you actualy get the worst of the 3 xD
-Stephen66515 (February 02, 2013, 10:16 PM)

Opera? Isn't that where the fat lady sings?

40hz · « **Reply #55 on:** February 03, 2013, 09:47 PM »

I get the best of all 3 worlds by using Avant Browser which incorporates Chrome, Firefox and IE.
-Tinman57 (February 01, 2013, 05:28 PM)

You missed Opera so you actualy get the worst of the 3 xD
-Stephen66515 (February 02, 2013, 10:16 PM)

Opera? Isn't that where the fat lady sings?

-Tinman57 (February 03, 2013, 08:27 PM)

It is. And if she does, then it truly is over.

Edvard · « **Reply #56 on:** February 10, 2013, 03:48 PM »

Trying out SRWare Iron, and it's no faster than Chromium. Then I read this:
http://neugierig.org...es/2009/12/iron.html

Meh. Chromium works fine enough.

rgdot · « **Reply #57 on:** February 10, 2013, 04:09 PM »

Trying out SRWare Iron, and it's no faster than Chromium. Then I read this:
http://neugierig.org...es/2009/12/iron.html

Meh. Chromium works fine enough.
-Edvard (February 10, 2013, 03:48 PM)

Obvious good points there but he is basing some of it

"if you don't trust Google to not do something sneaky, you probably shouldn't be running software made by Google,"

calling a fork "running" is a stretch

Edvard · « **Reply #58 on:** February 10, 2013, 04:25 PM »

I think he was referencing the fact that "Iron" in the IRC logs alluded to the fact he was in it for the money; namely ad revenue via (wait for it...) Google adsense he was running on his website.

SKA · « **Reply #59 on:** February 13, 2013, 06:30 AM »

The fat lady has sung - Opera is no more, to be replaced by Chromium on Desktop and webkit on Mobile:

http://news.softpedi...-Mobile-329052.shtml

I deeply mourn its passing

Ska

mouser · « **Reply #60 on:** February 13, 2013, 06:47 AM »

Very interesting development. I suppose it was inevitable.

mitzevo · « **Reply #61 on:** February 13, 2013, 06:56 AM »

I tried to use Opera in the past (desktop) but couldn't stick with it, it annoyed me actually.. Fair well, Opera! Can't say the same for Chromium.. it's blazing fast, minimal, actually works, etc. Although I'm not too keen on the big brother aspect of things (if there were to be!)?

f0dder · « **Reply #62 on:** February 13, 2013, 08:51 AM »

Hm, what is their Raison d'être going to be, then?

And what about their pretty huge datacenter investment that had the purpose of processing websites to serve in the special (binary html ish) format for their mobile browsers? Lost investment?

While I haven't been fond of Opera in the last many years, it's a bit sad that there's one less browser engine out there, one less team to help influence the html spec. One step closer to WebKit being the new iE6?

Too bad if their old HTML engine is going to be discarded. Probably no chance of them open-sourcing it.

Renegade · « **Reply #63 on:** February 13, 2013, 09:03 AM »

I use Opera on my desktop and mobile devices.

Unhappy day.

rgdot · « **Reply #64 on:** February 13, 2013, 02:40 PM »

Sites like Amazon didn't render or work properly and with pretty much zero interest to correct it. I hate to take the bigger business side of things but with their market share and real standard elements not working/rendering like the rest of (98% or so) the web, this was coming.

Josh · « **Reply #65 on:** February 13, 2013, 02:41 PM »

HOORAY!!!! Perhaps now I can switch to the opera browser once things start to work, "gradually" :-D

KynloStephen66515 · « **Reply #66 on:** February 13, 2013, 02:46 PM »

My input on the Opera debate: https://www.donation....msg317912#msg317912

rgdot · « **Reply #67 on:** February 13, 2013, 02:52 PM »

My input on the Opera debate: https://www.donation....msg317912#msg317912
-Stephen66515 (February 13, 2013, 02:46 PM)

I read your post. It's not dev's fault when even a simple <div> leaves spaces and other things unlike every other browser, etc. Google various standards like div and others and add 'opera' right after it to your search query

KynloStephen66515 · « **Reply #68 on:** February 13, 2013, 03:17 PM »

My input on the Opera debate: https://www.donation....msg317912#msg317912
-Stephen66515 (February 13, 2013, 02:46 PM)

I read your post. It's not dev's fault when even a simple <div> leaves spaces and other things unlike every other browser, etc. Google various standards like div and others and add 'opera' right after it to your search query
-rgdot (February 13, 2013, 02:52 PM)

Like I say, I have never had a single broken page. Closest thing I have had, is with things like Netflix saying "We don't support anything other than Firefox & Chrome & IE" I mean...I know 1.2% of the market share doesn't sound like much, but put it down to raw numbers, and you are potentially pissing off 300 MILLION+ people!

Josh · « **Reply #69 on:** February 13, 2013, 03:28 PM »

My input on the Opera debate: https://www.donation....msg317912#msg317912
-Stephen66515 (February 13, 2013, 02:46 PM)

I read your post. It's not dev's fault when even a simple <div> leaves spaces and other things unlike every other browser, etc. Google various standards like div and others and add 'opera' right after it to your search query
-rgdot (February 13, 2013, 02:52 PM)

Like I say, I have never had a single broken page. Closest thing I have had, is with things like Netflix saying "We don't support anything other than Firefox & Chrome & IE" I mean...I know 1.2% of the market share doesn't sound like much, but put it down to raw numbers, and you are potentially pissing off 300 MILLION+ people!
-Stephen66515 (February 13, 2013, 03:17 PM)

You must be the minority because I've watched a large number of people have issues similar to what I encountered each time I tried opera.

KynloStephen66515 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 13, 2013, 03:40 PM »

My input on the Opera debate: https://www.donation....msg317912#msg317912
-Stephen66515 (February 13, 2013, 02:46 PM)

I read your post. It's not dev's fault when even a simple <div> leaves spaces and other things unlike every other browser, etc. Google various standards like div and others and add 'opera' right after it to your search query
-rgdot (February 13, 2013, 02:52 PM)

Like I say, I have never had a single broken page. Closest thing I have had, is with things like Netflix saying "We don't support anything other than Firefox & Chrome & IE" I mean...I know 1.2% of the market share doesn't sound like much, but put it down to raw numbers, and you are potentially pissing off 300 MILLION+ people!
-Stephen66515 (February 13, 2013, 03:17 PM)

You must be the minority because I've watched a large number of people have issues similar to what I encountered each time I tried opera.
-Josh (February 13, 2013, 03:28 PM)

Maybe so...for me...its pretty much just "Always Worked"

Dormouse · « **Reply #71 on:** February 13, 2013, 04:26 PM »

Sites like Amazon didn't render or work properly
-rgdot (February 13, 2013, 02:40 PM)

I've never had a problem with Amazon on Opera.

Had a problem on a few sites - often banks, HMRC, Windows Update etc - but the number of problems has been reducing over the years. Most browsers seemed to have some problems, with ie being my final fallback when all else failed.

Dormouse · « **Reply #72 on:** February 13, 2013, 04:41 PM »

Seems to me that the Softpedia take on the announcement is rather extreme. Opera's engine always used to be fast, but webkit is pretty fast too. Little competitive gain and a lot of cost for Opera in maintaining Presto, and it is in the mobile market that their innovations have had the most success. I'd not be surprised to see Opera using Chromium look very similar to the latest Opera using Presto. Reduces us to webkit, gecko & ie trident.

As a user I'm not sure it will make much difference to me. It's a long time since the engine was one of the reasons I chose Opera as my primary browser. What would make me unhappy would be a takeover by Facebook.

40hz · « **Reply #73 on:** February 13, 2013, 06:17 PM »

Little competitive gain and a lot of cost for Opera in maintaining Presto,
-Dormouse (February 13, 2013, 04:41 PM)

Without Presto, Opera can't be considered a competitor to anything any more.

If they adopt Chrome's rendering engine they become just one more "me-too" repackager trying to sell yet another pretty interface.

fenixproductions · « **Reply #74 on:** February 13, 2013, 06:22 PM »

Interesting read:
http://www.glazman.o...EN-WEB-NEEDS-YOU-NOW