Author Topic: As a counter-point to the SOPA/PIPA demonstration (Read 67380 times)

wraith808 · « **on:** January 19, 2012, 04:07 PM »

For people who thought that SOPA/PIPA were the only (or even the most important) battleground....

http://www.wired.com...-indicted-shuttered/

Feds Shutter Megaupload, Arrest Executives

Megaupload, the popular file-sharing site, was shuttered Thursday and its executives indicted by the Justice Department in what the authorities said was “among the largest criminal copyright cases ever brought by the United States.”

Seven individuals connected to the Hong Kong-based site were indicted on a variety of charges, including criminal copyright infringement and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Four of the members of what the authorities called a “racketeering conspiracy” were arrested Thursday in Auckland, New Zealand, the authorities said.

One of those arrested was Kim Schmitz, aka Kim Dotcom, Megaupload’s founder. His attorney, Ira Rothken of California, said neither he nor his 37-year-old client, who resides in Hong Kong and New Zealand, was given the opportunity to surrender. Schmitz was arrested without notice, he said.

“We’re looking into what’s going on,” Rothken said in a telephone interview.

Visitors to the Megaupload site, which gets about 50 million hits daily, were greeted with a message from the Justice Department. ”This domain name associated with the website Megaupload.com has been seized pursuant to an order issued by a U.S. District Court.”

The government said the site facilitated copyright infringement of movies “often before their theatrical release, music, television programs, electronic books, and business and entertainment software on a massive scale.” The government said Megaupload’s “estimated harm” to copyright holders was “well in excess of $500 million.”

(continued in the link above)

So, anyone think this is a coincidence?

tslim · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2012, 04:26 PM »

Ma ma ...

I am in Malaysia and has no idea about this sopa pipa thing...
Man I just signed up (yesterday as of this writing) a six months account subscription with megaupload, then today their service is halted. wtf!

tranglos · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2012, 05:10 PM »

"money laundering", my posterior.

One takeaway from this should be that none of those arrested were US citizens or were on US soil. Seizing equipment is one thing, but now we all live under US law, such as it is. (That "now" should read "we have for some time now", but it's a prime example.) Say thank you to your respective governments, everyone!

There's also this.

mwb1100 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2012, 05:14 PM »

Aside from whatever one might think about SOPA/PIPA, isn't this an indication that SOPA/PIPA isn't necessary? Apparently they can already do the kinds of enforcement actions that I thought were the reason for SOPA/PIPA bring introduced.

tranglos · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2012, 05:29 PM »

Aside from whatever one might think about SOPA/PIPA, isn't this an indication that SOPA/PIPA isn't necessary? Apparently they can already do the kinds of enforcement actions that I thought were the reason for SOPA/PIPA bring introduced.
-mwb1100 (January 19, 2012, 05:14 PM)

Totally, but if (if!) we accept that copyright infringement is theft, then neither is DMCA and other copyright enforcement laws. The very proliferation of these laws - the legislative shock and awe, legal terror, if you will - is a strong indication the MPAAs and RIAAs of this world realize they have an increasingly weak standing. (And there's also ACTA!)

I'm afraid it's going to get much worse before it gets any better. Not just on the copyright front.

As a sidenote, the Anonymous have responded. Try accessing www.justice.gov or www.universalmusic.com now.

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2012, 06:31 PM »

I'm afraid it's going to get much worse before it gets any better. Not just on the copyright front.
-tranglos (January 19, 2012, 05:29 PM)

I feel it's best that I don't go into what I really think...as I fear I may end up making Renegade look tame. So I will simply suffice with saying, the prospects are indeed horrifying.

As a sidenote, the Anonymous have responded. Try accessing www.justice.gov or www.universalmusic.com now.
-tranglos (January 19, 2012, 05:29 PM)

Sounds like a good start. I'm all in favor of a scorched earth response from the masses.

Target · « **Reply #6 on:** January 19, 2012, 06:43 PM »

As a sidenote, the Anonymous have responded. Try accessing www.justice.gov or www.universalmusic.com now.
-tranglos (January 19, 2012, 05:29 PM)

Sounds like a good start. I'm all in favor of a scorched earth response from the masses.
-Stoic Joker (January 19, 2012, 06:31 PM)

but isn't that ground already barren?

40hz · « **Reply #7 on:** January 19, 2012, 06:55 PM »

As a sidenote, the Anonymous have responded. Try accessing www.justice.gov or www.universalmusic.com now.
-tranglos (January 19, 2012, 05:29 PM)

Sounds like a good start. I'm all in favor of a scorched earth response from the masses.
-Stoic Joker (January 19, 2012, 06:31 PM)

Assuming, of course, that it really was anonymous and not a staged bit of sponsored legerdemain designed to hammer home to all the regular citizens (who may be asking thorny questions about SOPA/PIPA by now) just how much danger we're really in.

At this stage of the game, I don't put anything past 'the industry' - or their paid government lapdogs. (Just like how the terrorist threat level always seemed to suddenly go up to 'amber' any time public opposition to The Patriot Act started heating up.)

And considering the timing of all of this? Yeah right! As wraith808 already observed.

Dunno. My sneaky, devious, dirty trick detecting BS-Tricorder has all it's tattletales glowing red right now...

(Uh-oh...maybe I better not use the word Tricorder huh? Isn't it trademarked or copyrighted or something?) $:-\$

Renegade · « **Reply #8 on:** January 19, 2012, 08:26 PM »

I'm afraid it's going to get much worse before it gets any better. Not just on the copyright front.
-tranglos (January 19, 2012, 05:29 PM)

I feel it's best that I don't go into what I really think...as I fear I may end up making Renegade look tame. So I will simply suffice with saying, the prospects are indeed horrifying.
-Stoic Joker (January 19, 2012, 06:31 PM)

Hahahah~!

That sounds like a challenge~!

Well, to be clear, I can't say what I really think either. I think we're very much on the same page there. We are limited in what we can say because we're not really in a free society. We have that illusion, but it's just that - an illusion. It would be reckless and irresponsible to say what we really think. (I'm willing to talk to anyone about it in person over beer though. The more I drink, well, I either become more honest or I get tangentially silly.

)

I've posted a few thoughts here:

SOPA and PIPA are Anti-Free Speech

The entire "piracy" stuff in those bills are just distractions. They are NOT about piracy. They are about establishing legislation to be used to silence dissent. To be clear... They are totalitarian pieces of legislation for use by an oppressive police state.

You know where this is going. Yep. There.

As a sidenote, the Anonymous have responded. Try accessing www.justice.gov or www.universalmusic.com now.
-tranglos (January 19, 2012, 05:29 PM)

Sounds like a good start. I'm all in favor of a scorched earth response from the masses.
-Stoic Joker (January 19, 2012, 06:31 PM)

Whoohoo~!

+1 for Anonymous!

They also hit the RIAA and MPAA!

LulzSec posted on Facebook:

If SOPA passes. We will break things.

These guys only make me love them more and more.

Remember -- SOPA and PIPA are only there to put into law what the government is already illegally doing. And to suppress free speech.

http://rt.com/usa/ne...ion-authorities-231/

American authorities helped issue arrests on Thursday for four people in New Zealand that they say are responsible for the website.

Ahem... Since when do "American authorities" have jurisdiction in New Zealand?

Does anyone get where this is going? Global police? Police state? Police planet?

wraith808 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 19, 2012, 09:29 PM »

http://rt.com/usa/ne...ion-authorities-231/

American authorities helped issue arrests on Thursday for four people in New Zealand that they say are responsible for the website.

Ahem... Since when do "American authorities" have jurisdiction in New Zealand?

Does anyone get where this is going? Global police? Police state? Police planet?

-Renegade (January 19, 2012, 08:26 PM)

That was where I was going next. All of these arrests were not made in America. Which makes the timing doubly suspicious as that type of thing takes coordination. What makes it worse is actually this line...

The agency said it executed more than 20 search warrants in the United States and eight countries...

That kind of thing takes massive coordination.

Renegade · « **Reply #10 on:** January 19, 2012, 09:49 PM »

http://rt.com/usa/ne...ion-authorities-231/

American authorities helped issue arrests on Thursday for four people in New Zealand that they say are responsible for the website.

Ahem... Since when do "American authorities" have jurisdiction in New Zealand?

Does anyone get where this is going? Global police? Police state? Police planet?

-Renegade (January 19, 2012, 08:26 PM)

That was where I was going next. All of these arrests were not made in America. Which makes the timing doubly suspicious as that type of thing takes coordination. What makes it worse is actually this line...

The agency said it executed more than 20 search warrants in the United States and eight countries...

That kind of thing takes massive coordination.
-wraith808 (January 19, 2012, 09:29 PM)

Add in this:

http://news.cnet.com...ear-everybody-loses/

My sources tell me the timing of the Megaupload arrests was no accident. The federal government, they say, was spoiling for a fight after the apparent defeat of SOPA/PIPA and not a little humiliation at the hands of the Web. And what better way to bolster the cause for cyber-crackdown than by pointing to a massive display of cyber-terrorism at the hands of everyone's favorite Internet boogeyman: Anonymous?

If the SOPA/PIPA protests were the Web's moment of inspiring, non-violent, hand-holding civil disobedience, #OpMegaUpload feels like the unsettling wave of car-burning hooligans that sweep in and incite the riot portion of the play. The result is always riot gear, tear gas, arrests, injury, and a sea of knee-jerk policies, laws, and reactions that address the destructive actions of a few, and not the good intentions of the many.

I don't truly know whether Anonymous was cleverly goaded into #OpMegaUpload. But I do know that an attack this big on this many government sites will effectively erase those good Internet vibrations that were rattling around Capitol Hill this week and harden the perspective of legislators and law enforcement who want to believe that the Web community is made up of wild, law-breaking pirates. That, ultimately, may help strengthen the business--and the emotional--case for the pro-SOPA, pro-PIPA lobby. Did the feds just get the last lulz?

Ya gotta wonder...

This is not going to end well...

wraith808 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2012, 09:59 PM »

That's just insane. And that image... @MollyWood's tweet? Yeah... I agree 100%

If you think the people behind the Patriot Act, DHS, and Gitmo will let this stand? You're insane.

Renegade · « **Reply #12 on:** January 19, 2012, 10:10 PM »

That's just insane. And that image... @MollyWood's tweet? Yeah... I agree 100%

If you think the people behind the Patriot Act, DHS, and Gitmo will let this stand? You're insane.
-wraith808 (January 19, 2012, 09:59 PM)

+1

Absolutely!

They will not stop until they get their way. We're heading full steam into a prison constructed by twisted control freaks -- they're building it around us while we sleep. The recent protest was nothing more than the growl and snap of a sleeping dog reacting to a nightmare.

They will ram their police state legislation down our throats, and if they fail there, they'll ram it up our asses.

NSFW extended metaphor

If you can't taste their cock, it's because it's in your ass.

From another story:

http://www.infowars....hut-down-megaupload/

The conspicuously timed raid “on Megaupload Thursday proved that the feds don’t need SOPA or its sister legislation, PIPA, in order to pose a blow to the Web,” writes the AnonOps Communications blog.

Exactly. SOPA and PIPA are NOT about piracy. They are Trojan horses to be used to silence dissent. SOPA and PIPA are anti-free speech.

TaoPhoenix · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2012, 03:19 AM »

This is one of the few sites with NSFW hiding buttons. I like that. Are users (Not mods) putting those on their posts and how do you do it?

Y'all are right that there's the Bluenose theme quietly silencing the far edges of the responses we'd really rather make. It's a really bounded version of the school bully trick "I'll bully you because I know the teachers won't care / be around every time, then when you lose your cool it will be when they conveniently are."

And re: your metaphor - there's lots of them to help with the ...

TaoPhoenix · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2012, 03:25 AM »

Ya gotta wonder...

This is not going to end well...

-Renegade (January 19, 2012, 09:49 PM)

What kind of unbelievable pace is this going at?! Damn I wish InternetSpeed was left for Kittens.

Renegade · « **Reply #15 on:** January 20, 2012, 03:54 AM »

This is one of the few sites with NSFW hiding buttons. I like that. Are users (Not mods) putting those on their posts and how do you do it?

Y'all are right that there's the Bluenose theme quietly silencing the far edges of the responses we'd really rather make. It's a really bounded version of the school bully trick "I'll bully you because I know the teachers won't care / be around every time, then when you lose your cool it will be when they conveniently are."

And re: your metaphor - there's lots of them to help with the ...
-TaoPhoenix (January 20, 2012, 03:19 AM)

In the editor, look at the top for the "SP" button. That's the "spoiler" button.

To get text on it, simply edit the opening tag with an equals sign (=) and your text:

Code: Text [Select]

[spoiler=Your text here]

I sometime post things that aren't really very appropriate, and that very often happens after I've finished the first half of a bottle of vodka or something...

So, I try to remember to put some of those in spoilers with a warning as I know some people don't appreciate them. I think most people know that if I put something in a spoiler, then it's highly likely to be offensive to someone. My aim isn't to offend. I do hope that some people know that.

And +1 for having spoiler tags - they're great~!

What kind of unbelievable pace is this going at?! Damn I wish InternetSpeed was left for Kittens.
-TaoPhoenix (January 20, 2012, 03:25 AM)

Yeah - definitely! This stuff is in high gear. NDAA. SOPA. PIPA. Cripes... it's not like enough evil legislation hasn't been passed already...

I think 2012 will be a turning point. We're either going to escape from all of this stuff, or we slide into eternal darkness. 1 of the 2.

TaoPhoenix · « **Reply #16 on:** January 20, 2012, 04:59 AM »

What if a message is really dangerous? The following message could destroy the entire US!

Spoiler

Under a rock in New York seventy eight feet from where Mrs. Whipple sits is a pirated copy of One Missed Call.

Heh I tried to make nested spoilers but it didn't work. Also I don't think you need an = key. It was erroneously showing up for me and went away when I took it out.

TaoPhoenix · « **Reply #17 on:** January 20, 2012, 05:03 AM »

I think 2012 will be a turning point. We're either going to escape from all of this stuff, or we slide into eternal darkness. 1 of the 2.
-Renegade (January 20, 2012, 03:54 AM)

SOPA Cody is upset!

Renegade · « **Reply #18 on:** January 20, 2012, 05:11 AM »

Back on topic...

http://www.scribd.co...6408/Mega-Indictment

That's the indictment against "the Mega Conspiracy".

Have a read through some of it. You will undoubtedly find things that you know are false for one reason or another, e.g. the site didn't operate that way, etc. etc.

But, details be damned, because these guys certainly are.

Does anyone actually think that they'll get a fair trial? I certainly don't.

Fun facts:

* 4% of all Internet traffic was with Megadownload
* 25% of corporate traffic is was with Megadownload
* 100% of these guys are going to hang

Have a read through the mainstream media... They've already tarred & feathered MegaDownload. Want to see uber-biased and slanted reporting? Right off the bat they're going for the populist garbage attacks.

tranglos · « **Reply #19 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:00 AM »

Back on topic...

http://www.scribd.co...6408/Mega-Indictment

That's the indictment against "the Mega Conspiracy".
-Renegade (January 20, 2012, 05:11 AM)

Interesting read,thanks! "Mega Conspiracy" is almost as good as the Axis of Evil.

They did have the "uploader rewards" program. That may well be one of the nails in their coffin (or prison gate).

tranglos · « **Reply #20 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:19 AM »

...and whoa, the indictment contains details of the "conspiracy members' " (aka Megaupload staff) private conversations and private emails to each other. That's before any boxes were seized or defendants questioned.

Renegade · « **Reply #21 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:34 AM »

...and whoa, the indictment contains details of the "conspiracy members' " (aka Megaupload staff) private conversations and private emails to each other. That's before any boxes were seized or defendants questioned.
-tranglos (January 20, 2012, 06:19 AM)

All the more reason to have secure email. They're spying on everyone. There have been a few whistle blowers over the years reporting that.

What I'd like to see is a criminal suit filed against the US prosecutor's office for denial of service.

hahahahahahaa~!

Ok, that was just silly. It's like asking for war criminals on the winning team to be prosecuted.

(That was serious.)

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #22 on:** January 20, 2012, 07:05 AM »

As a sidenote, the Anonymous have responded. Try accessing www.justice.gov or www.universalmusic.com now.
-tranglos (January 19, 2012, 05:29 PM)

Sounds like a good start. I'm all in favor of a scorched earth response from the masses.
-Stoic Joker (January 19, 2012, 06:31 PM)

Assuming, of course, that it really was anonymous and not a staged bit of sponsored legerdemain designed to hammer home to all the regular citizens (who may be asking thorny questions about SOPA/PIPA by now) just how much danger we're really in.

At this stage of the game, I don't put anything past 'the industry' - or their paid government lapdogs. (Just like how the terrorist threat level always seemed to suddenly go up to 'amber' any time public opposition to The Patriot Act started heating up.)

And considering the timing of all of this? Yeah right! As wraith808 already observed.

Dunno. My sneaky, devious, dirty trick detecting BS-Tricorder has all it's tattletales glowing red right now...
-40hz (January 19, 2012, 06:55 PM)

Understood (and quite plausible). I've just always had a rather seething hatred for the silver tonged shadow shit. I detest politics...and politicians. I prefer to keep the fighting in the streets where it (belongs) is honest and fair.

kyrathaba · « **Reply #23 on:** January 20, 2012, 07:06 AM »

I agree that 2012 will be pivotal. The hideous shadow of world government is looming. It's becoming (well, has been becoming for years) a world of sheeple ruled by the elite.

40hz · « **Reply #24 on:** January 20, 2012, 07:08 AM »

Ahem... Since when do "American authorities" have jurisdiction in New Zealand?

-Renegade (January 19, 2012, 08:26 PM)

Apparently since whenever it was New Zealand's authorities decided to give it to them.

Does anyone get where this is going? Global police? Police state? Police planet?

Police Planet? Yup. Sounds about right. And I'll bet it's gonna become the hottest cop 'reality' show on the Discovery Channel this fall if things continue in the direction they're going.

At which point they'll probably make discussions like this one illegal - if conducted on the web. $:-\$

I find it funny how so many people find storm trooper tactics amusing and fascinating. And how they'll defend them. Right up until the moment they get their own doors kicked down.

@StoicJoker- In the streets?

As a counter-point to the SOPA/PIPA demonstration