Author Topic: ***searching for an innovative organizer program - not the traditional types (Read 20157 times)

alphahumanoid841 · « **on:** August 22, 2008, 11:18 PM »

hi, the organizer program would be _integrated_ and have a central place that is useful to look at. say we enter a bunch of tasks for monday, and part of those tasks aren't finish; then the program would remember whatever was leftover and flow it onto the next day and forever until all these tasks (and more that will be added) are complete.

sure, some program have to-do list, but that's not what im looking for - the to-do list is separate and disintegrated for the main daily view (with the times on the left side), which you could easily click on the right button and it shows you the next day, or likely better a slider and you can see at least a weeks view.

usefully customizable is something lacking in many traditional (outdated) organizer programs. a more minor point but there should be an "alert/urgent" section, where you enter atm tasks you jus received/recalled/etc. this section would be much more useful if it was movable within the main program so you could move it to the side to get a better view of the "main" oh this section would be relatively small without doubt since we don't need a large space for imminent tasks. if this window was scalable, all the better for those that need the flexibility.

anyhow the flow of data/objectives/tasks/etc. to the next day is the most important function for the program. of course this is jus a fraction of the "ideal" concept, but basically a program that is not the same-old same-old "isn't something better than this piece of crap??"

adding in elements for project management program and applying them on the personal/individual level would be a beautiful thing. out of all the softwares in the world, surely there has to exist after all this time something remotely similar - or even better.

if anyone has any sort of helpful solution on any os (and i'll install that os), i'ld love to hear it.

SKesselman · « **Reply #1 on:** August 28, 2008, 04:00 AM »

hi, the organizer program would be _integrated_ and have a central place that is useful to look at. say we enter a bunch of tasks for monday, and part of those tasks aren't finish; then the program would remember whatever was leftover and flow it onto the next day and forever until all these tasks (and more that will be added) are complete.
-alphahumanoid841 (August 22, 2008, 11:18 PM)

Alpha,
This is a "rollover" feature and is available in many information management applications.

There are hundreds upon hundreds of apps like this on the market, too many to mention. Many will allow you to choose which side of the screen you wish to view your tasks. I can't think of the name for that, but I'd probably add "tasks pane", "custom" & "user-defined" to my search for now.

:-\As for the rest,
Can you list some programs & their features that you've tried in the past? What did you find useful or annoying about their features?

alphahumanoid841 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2008, 11:28 AM »

how exciting! a reply and moveover that these function do exist.

i tried searching with a some of those terms mentioned thought this post, for the google results, was the third one, and some of the results related to outlook, so basically no luck.

by any chance, does anyone know of a link to a list of related programs? i tried to wiki for one, but no luck. couldn't find a comparison-type list also, which would've been better.

"Can you list some programs & their features.." - most recently i havent found anything that would be a program that, given it's importance, i would use daily. the features/functions of the few programs tired in the past however, which i dont really remember the name of, simply didn't meet the needs expressed above.

i'm glad to hear that there are "many" with this "rollover-type feature," but where in the universe do you find them........ because as expressed in the first post, that would be the main/core/chief/dire/most significant need.

Whereismyangel · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2008, 11:41 AM »

You should find something interesting here :

http://www.outliners.../0/list-of-outliners

Enjoy !

tomos · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2008, 12:37 PM »

You should find something interesting here :

http://www.outliners.../0/list-of-outliners (not by me)
-Whereismyangel (August 31, 2008, 11:41 AM)

for an alphabetically, freeware/non-freeware sorted version of the same list (not by me)

this list in an online spreadsheet, with read/write access to all, as in this one where I’ve imported the original list:

http://www.editgrid....ry/List_of_Outliners
-tomos (July 24, 2008, 03:36 AM)

but it's not really much help unless you have a year off to test them all
you need recommendations really ... & I'm afraid I cant help much there ...
We need a big thread like the notetaking thread but about organisers/PIMs

cmpm · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2008, 01:29 PM »

here's a couple-

http://www.cancellie...i.org/apim_index.htm

http://www.konradp.c.../products/organizer/

not sure about the rollover.....

alphahumanoid841 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 01, 2008, 01:39 PM »

not sure why the above two were mentioned out of all the rest because the first program looks like a _nightmare_ and the second one is jus another "same-old same-old (read initial post)" it should be scraped, thrown in the gutter, and the resources should be combined and put into improving one or a few amazing one instead of billions of pieces, so we are all less burden with information overload and all this fragmentation of society.

http://www.editgrid....ry/List_of_Outliners is definitely something to work with though. thanks for improving on the original. much more helpful. i'm not sure what the goal of the list is, but if i were to fix it up with the goal of it being more helpful i would:
-delete all dead projects
-delete version data (since we're looking for the most recent one + less maintenance)
-change title in something boarder
-fill in all "last updated" data
-create subsection based on "software type"
-create subsection under that based on "types" (abc order is very unhelpful)
-based on "last updated" data, delete all outdated programs (hmm, say minimum was last updated within 1-2yrs)

thanks for the site, http://www.editgrid.com/ i think i may upload some spreadsheets though i don't think i have any other people would be interested in. now to hopefully find something that works...

tomos · « **Reply #7 on:** September 01, 2008, 04:30 PM »

http://www.editgrid....ry/List_of_Outliners is definitely something to work with though. thanks for improving on the original. much more helpful. i'm not sure what the goal of the list is, but if i were to fix it up with the goal of it being more helpful i would:
-alphahumanoid841 (September 01, 2008, 01:39 PM)

I think he just wanted to make it sortable & editable so that others could contribute
but

The list was getting corrupted due to bad sorting...

So to make this sharing experience:

1- It would be best if users would register, that way, we’d see who modified what, and could be advised if another roll-back is required
2- When sorting, make sure you select all columns and check “Has header row”, this will leave the first row at the top.

I think that for the benefit of all (and as I have little time to spend on this), I’ll restrict the usage somewhat:

- The list is now read-only by default
- To make changes, click the UnLock button at the bottom and enter the password: outliners

Hopefully, this will avoid corruption. Again, it would help if users registered…

If this password approach does not help, we can use community access or invitation-based e-mail access methods.
-PPLandry (August 17, 2008, 07:52 PM)

cmpm · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2008, 04:59 PM »

So I guess you don't like the ones I posted.
lol...

Well. someone might come up with something,
hey, it could happen!

SKesselman · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2008, 08:56 PM »

i'm not sure what the goal of the list is, but if i were to fix it up with the goal of it being more helpful i would:
-delete all dead projects
-delete version data (since we're looking for the most recent one + less maintenance)
-change title in something boarder
-fill in all "last updated" data
-create subsection based on "software type"
-create subsection under that based on "types" (abc order is very unhelpful)
-based on "last updated" data, delete all outdated programs (hmm, say minimum was last updated within 1-2yrs)
-alphahumanoid841 (September 01, 2008, 01:39 PM)

Great idea!

Don't forget to let us know when you've finished bringing it up 'to code'!

In the meantime, perhaps you could try this program.

Have a nice day!

alphahumanoid841 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2008, 11:05 PM »

ah so the password was "outliners" couldn't have guessed that one, but i made do since i couldnt edit it when i needed to (and i created an account and everything):

so i had to start somewhere and clicked 99% of the freeware. since the vast majority were note-taking or... outliners it made the job a lot easier. not sure why you _need_ billions of note-taking programs... but anyhow, phase I
http://nomadpim.sourceforge.net/ - clean design, nice features such as the "workarea" at bottom right
http://www.dgtalize.com/pimxabout
http://chandlerproject.org/ -- an incredibly innovative design or at least i haven't seen it before
none of these seem to have "rollover" but workable.

interesting and/or notable:
http://www.zeraha.org/
http://www.treepad.com/treepadfreeware/
http://wikidpad.python-hosting.com/

"perhaps you could try this program." - ah selling crap to me, avoid avoid! run away in fear.

now to dl those 3 (likely skip the second as it doesn't seem any better than the first) and test, especially the fascinating http://chandlerproject.org/

kartal · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2008, 11:26 PM »

How do you know she is trying to sell crap to you? In her first reply post she did not name any application. Do not get me wrong but this is a mean way of replying someone`s post. Plus you have never mentioned in your first post that you were only looking for free software. I am not affiliated with anyone but here within donation coder everyone tries to help eachother. Also remember that she is the one who named "rollover" feature, which you needed to write half a page to explain what it was. So in some respect she already has helped you.

I use wikidpad day and night it is a fabolous application. It has many features but some of the features you are asking for is not streamlined in wikidpad like todos. It has great todo implementation unlike another. But not streamlined. You need to try it yourself unfortunately.

"perhaps you could try this program." - ah selling crap to me, avoid avoid! run away in fear.

-alphahumanoid841 (September 01, 2008, 11:05 PM)

alphahumanoid841 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 02, 2008, 01:13 AM »

didn't dl yet but ran across http://en.wikipedia....information_managers so by programmed impluse, i had to click all the ones with articles, so we have phase II
http://en.wikipedia....rg/wiki/Lotus_Agenda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontact - seems very basic

don't need but interesting nonetheless or mb others need:
http://en.wikipedia....g/wiki/3D_Topicscape
http://pogopixels.co...nner-Calendar_4.html
http://www.jetbrains.com/omea/
http://simile.mit.edu/

oh yes the replies,
"How do you know" - i don't, it's loosely and lightheartedly assumed, but of course it's always safer to run away in fear under uncertainty
"mean way" - it wasn't intend to be mean, you inferred, it was your interpretation, my robotic heart was not programmed to be mean, i read the manual
"looking for free software" - i'm not and never said i was
"to write half a page to explain what it was" - it wasn't half and imho rollover is a stupid name, memoryflow would've be better or something else
"wikidpad" - all the more reason to try it, seems interesting, no wonder it's still tabbed on Fx3

sorry got sidetracked...
Haystack: @ MIT's http://groups.csail.mit.edu/haystack/
in progress but possibly the leader of them all when it's ready, who knows? but i'm keeping my eye on it that's for sure.

TucknDar · « **Reply #13 on:** September 02, 2008, 01:17 AM »

Search these forums for chandler, and you'll see that v.1 wasn't exactly well received. By all means, do try it yourself, but don't expect the world

Whereismyangel · « **Reply #14 on:** September 02, 2008, 03:05 AM »

This one have the features you're asking for : look here

tomos · « **Reply #15 on:** September 02, 2008, 04:15 AM »

oh yes the replies,
"How do you know" - i don't, it's loosely and lightheartedly assumed, but of course it's always safer to run away in fear under uncertainty
"mean way" - it wasn't intend to be mean, you inferred, it was your interpretation, my robotic heart was not programmed to be mean, i read the manual
-alphahumanoid841 (September 02, 2008, 01:13 AM)

well a bit of politeness can be a helpful thing at times

-
I understand you didnt mean to be rude but it came across that way IMO as well

did you mean by what you said that you had tried gemx whatever it is do-Organiser and then decided it was crap ?
or are you just wary of their reputation ? (I curious)

btw, as I said it seems to be a bit of an unknown world, this field so it's great you're testing some of these

Paul Keith · « **Reply #16 on:** September 02, 2008, 11:12 PM »

alphahumanoid, can you be more specific?

I see you found wikidpad and treepad notable. Both are well praised and I would recommend you check out BasKet Notes and Tomboy Notes for Gnome/Kde if that's the application you're looking for but I'm not quite certain what kind of organizing you are doing based on the information you provided.

Maybe you could give us an example of what you want to do.

alphahumanoid841 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 05, 2008, 10:24 PM »

https://www.donation...ex.php?topic=14758.0

Paul Keith · « **Reply #18 on:** September 06, 2008, 02:04 AM »

Oh wow. Call me surprised, you're the first reviewer I've read of that loved Chandler.

Congrats on finding the app for you.

alphahumanoid841 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 07, 2008, 01:23 AM »

"Oh wow." - huh!?! do you know how to _read_? - "Expressing purely on essence of the conceptual vision (http://chandlerproject.org/vision)"

"wikidpad and treepad notable" - ......notable doesn't mean i need them....... that's why they're on the second list............ thought that was obvious............................
"you'll see that v.1 wasn't exactly well received." - that's nice; people say a lot of stuff
"but it came across that way IMO" - ok
"gemx" - crap, gone from my life
"look here" - link jus goes to the outlook site

tomos · « **Reply #20 on:** September 07, 2008, 03:17 AM »

are you always this stroppy alphahumanoid841 or are you just having a bad week ?

Paul Keith · « **Reply #21 on:** September 07, 2008, 03:38 AM »

"Oh wow." - huh!?! do you know how to _read_? - "Expressing purely on essence of the conceptual vision (http://chandlerproject.org/vision)"

"wikidpad and treepad notable" - ......notable doesn't mean i need them....... that's why they're on the second list............ thought that was obvious............................
"you'll see that v.1 wasn't exactly well received." - that's nice; people say a lot of stuff
"but it came across that way IMO" - ok
"gemx" - crap, gone from my life
"look here" - link jus goes to the outlook site
-alphahumanoid841 (September 07, 2008, 01:23 AM)

Well, I guess every forum is bound to have one of these. I'm actually surprised it took me this long here to get into something like this.

Yes, I don't know how to read your writing. The chandler link was a poem of sorts which is very unorthodox for the forum format. It really doesn't help that I'm not much into poems so I really didn't bother with the topic much other than read it was quite beautiful on the review section so it really came off that way and I thought it was obvious that you're being vague since I did ask for more specifics in a previous reply. I also thought it was obvious that I too felt they were notable but not necessarily something someone might dig which is why I said that but judging from your reply, I think you read that as "These are the two notable ones, try them." or something to that effect.

Even your formatting in this one can be vague because it can easy sound like you're being pissy or it could be just your normal way of writing and that you didn't meant to offend anybody. Either way, I think you need to work on your delivery. I suggest typing in more complete sentences. Yes, I'm not perfect but when I see something wrong, I don't mind posting my thoughts either.

kartal · « **Reply #22 on:** September 07, 2008, 02:07 PM »

As his nick name implies, he is in alpha stage. Expecting greater wisdom and 2 way communication are not expected in this stage of evolution. Paul, let some time pass please, couple million years would do it.

Paul Keith · « **Reply #23 on:** September 07, 2008, 09:29 PM »

Ouch!

jgpaiva · « **Reply #24 on:** September 08, 2008, 04:44 PM »

As his nick name implies, he is in alpha stage. Expecting greater wisdom and 2 way communication are not expected in this stage of evolution. Paul, let some time pass please, couple million years would do it.
-kartal (September 07, 2008, 02:07 PM)

Let's not go into the field of insulting each other, or mouser will come around and close the topic

Honestly, I think this is a misunderstanding, probably alphahumanoid841 isn't a native english speaker, and isn't really being able to pass his message.

So people, let's try to keep it friendly in the good spirit of DC, ok?