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So I did a quick search looking for the differences between Thunderbird and TheBat! and stumbled upon this forrum.  It looks like a major developer was leaving the BAT!Here is the thread from May.

Reminds me of something I once used TheBat! for... a commitment that was always going to be met in a week but was never actually kept led me to write a polite reminder email that TheBat! sent on my behalf every day at 11am for about 6 months.

FOAAS might have been a useful thing for the recipient. Fortunately, she had no such tool available :D

This got me thinking about that maybe theBat has some of the utility that I have been missing in Thunderbird. 

Scheduling emails: Thunderbird has the ability through an addon to send an email at a prescribed time, you can schedule an email to be sent at a certain time or send it to be a reoccurring email.  It is really nice if you are working late at night and do not want to send an email  at 2am.  You can have it go at 8am ( during working hours).  Does the Bat! have that ability?  Any other email clients?

Monitoring replies: Thunderbird used to have a number of other add-ons that were extremely useful that have stopped working due to the changes touched on earlier in this thread due to TB development.  There were a family of add-ons that allowed you to monitor replies.  You could set the add-on to monitor IF an email had been replied to. When sending the email you would basically tell the add-on to notify you if they did not reply by  a date of your choosing.   Sucha  simple thing, but you were able to automate a piece of follow-up.  I traditionally set a monitor reply of a week.  If somethig was more pressing, then I would make it shorter.  Does the bat or any other email client have that?

Thank you. This is an area that is pretty new to me.  I am not sure where to start comparing the capabilities.  It seems like a big place to look are the triggers.

I found this review/description on a reddit forum: https://www.reddit.c...ws_what_is_the_very/
PTFB Pro: This is one of my favorite apps that I only discovered a month ago. PTFB Pro enables you to press buttons to repetitive dialog boxes. You train it what to look for, then the next time that nagging dialog box appears, PTFB Pro takes care of it for you. PTFB Pro can, like Actual Window Manager, force windows and dialog message boxes to appear in specific places on the screen. It can click on check-boxes for you, record macros for both the mouse and keyboard presses, and more. If you've ever started typing a comment here, on Reddit, then closed that tab without saving the comment, you've seen that "Are you sure you want to leave?" question. PTFB Pro takes care of that too.

    PTFB Pro and Actual Window Manager share some features, but there are some things that the first can do that the other can't, and vice versa. ...
Have you noticed that when you want to view the Properties of a file, the window always appears in some random location on screen? Actual Window Manager and PTFB Pro can both make any window with the word "Properties" in its title bar appear centered on screen. When you press the WINKEY+R to bring up the command dialog, it appears in some stupid place on the screen. Not any more. now it always appears centered on the screen. And so on..."

The Notecard System: The Key For Remembering, Organizing And Using Everything You Read:

THIS: In the FAQ section. "Wouldn’t digital be easier? Yes. But I don’t want this to be easy. Writing them down by hand forces me to take my time and to go over everything again (taking notes on a Kindle is too easy and that’s the problem). Also being able to physically arrange stuff is crucial for getting the structure of your book or project right. I can move cards from one category to another. As I shuffle through the cards, I bump into stuff I had forgotten about, etc."

Once again. I am amazed that there is not a way to play with cards like this digitally.

 So  Bitsdujour has PTFB Pro on sale today. I realize this is an older thread, but I was curious how PTFB compares to other options.

Looks like the links I posted above are not working.  I think it might have to with how I posted them.

[update] Not sure if the links above are any better.  At first I thought it was because the deal expired, but now I am thinking I am doing something wrong when posting them. In anycase, the deal can be found by searching  pcworld software windows 10 pro 39
I know it is possible to get cheaper licenses, but from what I have read, this is a legit retail version.  It is really hard to know if it can be transfered to another system or not as MS licensing is hard to follow.

So I came across this deal which was suppose to expire yesterday. It is still going... maybe because of time zones or maybe it will be extended.
Here is the initial link I saw.
It takes you here

I believe PCworld used to be a pretty big magazine if I am not mistaken so I am guessing this is legit. That is what I am going on.
Looking at other deals in the forum there is this post that links to a deal from download crew.  It seems like it is an identical deal and the site looks pretty similar. 

I actually wanted to give a shout out.  Noise was given birth here by Skrommel.
Done in AHK

Thank you, I will look at Caffeine! 

I am in need of a standalone/portable app that I can run on a system that will keep system from going to sleep and applications from timing out.

I am curious if anyone has any experience with an application they would recommend
A list of contenders

General Software Discussion / Re: Custom Screenshot/OCR software
« on: June 24, 2020, 05:46 PM »

And there is of course Screenshot Captor that allows you to automate the process, but you'll need to add some OCR software (free or paid, it should support command-line conversion, but most do) to your system, and configure it in SC to run after taking a screenshot.

Did not realize that screenshot captor could do this.

It looks like it has cloud syncing... but it also looks like it can be synced manually.

All OSs
Clipto, Evernote for clipping
Trello; boundary with Obsidian/Roam yet to be established
I had never heard of clipto... it looks like it is a powerful option  that adds some automation to the mix.
Have you been using it for long?

I am becoming very curious about Archivarius... specifically how it compares to dtsearch and others.

I know some people who swear by recoll.,,

I have thousands of pdfs- some that have comments and sticky notes and I have needed  to find something that has been able to search that layer.  I also have "highlighted" text that I would love to be able to identify.

I have appreciated all of your insight Archivarius these threads have given

Does Copernic Desktop Search find sticky note text?

I believe Copernic Desktop Search went to subscription mode. I have considered trying to find an older version for purchase.


Interesting.  I am going to take a look, though at this point it seems like my system is ahving issues loading googleplay apps???
By any chance have you looked at any of the nextcloud sync offerings.  joplin?  Carnet looks like it has alot of promise.  I like that you can record audio notes/memos.   Much of the functionality of google keep is sloted for the future.   And being open source in nature I imagine there is a way to export as text or will be. 

Nextcloud is rather easy to get up an running
App description


Hi Dormouse,

I am the creator of Notezilla. We do have an Android and iPhone version. We just added dark mode to the iPhone version. The Windows version doesn't support dark mode yet. But we are planning to add it in next major version. Let me know if you need any other help.

Gautam Jain
-conceptworld (May 15, 2020, 03:04 AM)

Gautam Jain,
Is it possible to sync notes between phone and pc without use of  Can notes be synced when both devices are 1) on the same local network, 2) the devices are connected via usb 3) using one's own private cloud service? 
Thank you 

But I've no shortage of old routers with USB connections, and the router not having an Internet connection is probably an advantage.

Watch out with that. It is very easy to create a "double NAT" problem in your network when using old(er) routers in your network. While you may not notice connection issues immediately, it won't take take long before you'll encounter vague issues, on which you'll spend hours troubleshooting and not to mention visits to the hairdresser for fixing the hair you pulled out during those troubleshooting sessions.

I am really curious about how to contend with hard links these systems require.  I have often wondered if there was a way to create a virtual directory of sorts and map it to the directory you need.   I have alot of information on a local network share.  It would be nice to be able to copy a bunch of the files to a portable hard drive and use the virtual folder to "point" to that instead of the network share.  Some time ago,  I tried mapping a network drive to a directory and then calling it (for example) K:  When traveling I then unmounted that network directory and tried swapping in an external hard drive.  I mounted the external hard drive as K: and it worked, UNTILL it didn't >:(

For the most part this does not matter for me.  Just seems like there should be a better way as the locations of files do change.

Diarium...  how do you find it?  Does it not lock you in?  It looks like it can export to word if you by the pro version.  It also looks like you can record audio notes.
Would be curious about your thoughts on it- what you like and dislike

I find the easiest way to limit what I am taking notes on is by focusing on what I am aiming to produce. However,  this often means I need to go back and revisit a resource- if I later on I need to produce something different.
I think Luhmann probably only made notes with publication in mind. That explains the emphasis on perfecting the prose and his repeating sections in a number of publications.

And you can only have the thoughts you have at the time.  Reading anything again is likely to produce different thoughts.
I agree, though I have not read much on his system.  The aim of one's work is pretty important.  So yeah publication.... My guess is that his system was also bolstered by a general mastery of the subject and material.

I am curious if you looked at liquid Story Binder?
Oh yes. I remember struggling with it over a decade ago.  Feature rich but one of the least integrated programs I have ever used. I don't think it ever attained drag and drop.

I don't think it's been updated for a decade or so. He took down the forum years ago.

I have licence somewhere but wouldn't recommend it to anyone today when there are much better options. I hadn't come across Writers Cafe until a few years ago. Similar vintage,  hasn't been updated for years, fewer features but you can see that it actually functions well as a working tool.

There you answer a question for me.   I was curious if it gained drag and drop.   When I discovered it I was surprised as it looked ahead of its time.  If I remember right Writer's cafe was almost like a separate writing environment.  I have a license but have not tried it yet. Again my use case is different.  I am looking for something that handles multimedia locally but syncs to a tablet/smartphone without use of a third party cloud service. 

Another program that comes to mind is AZZcardfile 
I'm not sure about the index card analogy. It looks just like an outliner. Am I wrong?

Certainly outliners were my main tool for actually writing for a long time.

It might be the connection was not there. In its day it was a pretty powerful database.   What was nice is it allowed you to put a variety of information on a card in a free-form way- much like you would put information on an index card.  Looking at the images of the new version it looked like it was possible it was moving in a free form direction that embraced the touch interface on android. 

Again the connection might not be there.

...I started by looking at writers' sites. That was a depressing experience.  Simple storyboards and a host of self-inflicted hamster wheels. ....

"Self inflicted hamster wheels" 

I cannot agree with this strong enough- though I have not looked deeply.    I am curious if you looked at liquid Story Binder?
It seems like it might have the best  trello card system with their story boards...  You can see below...  not sure about the hamster wheels...

I have not had a chance to check out Wavemaker any more deeply.

If zotero or civita (spelling) had a way to export notes and highlighted text to some sort of note card, that would be awesome.  What is nice about these applications is they can pull metadata from sources. The aim of these utilities are to site sources when writing and not (to my knowledge) processing and refining the information you collect.


So I have read Rizvi's post and I am familiar with PARA...  I had some comments- Which might be misplaced because I have not followed this thread entirely.   This person strikes me as someone who is also on a search for the perfect way to organize their notes and learn.  I can respect that. 

Just a look at a few quotes where Rizvi explains his move from zettelkasten to PARA. I think it contains a number of common misconceptions of the zettelkasten system.

I love reading. But retaining what I read tends to be a challenge. I usually walk away from a book feeling good but with only a faint idea of what was in there.
Herein is I think the core of his problem. Zettelkasten is specifically not about retaining the content of what has been read - it's about retaining thoughts about the content.

As I mentioned, I used something similar to zettlkasten.  It was all about the process.  In it you would initially accumulate alot of cards- with different types of information (ie historical dates, themes, epiphanies, ideas, connections, future readings etc etc). During this part of the process you might have an aim for your work- which would determine your approach to the cards. However this was just the first part.  It was in the Sorting, adding additional notes, refining the notes, rewriting the notes or otherwise  interacting with the notes that you could develop your ideas and more.  It was very time consuming,  and it was sometimes hard to know how many note cards were too many note cards:)  In the end it would be very dynamic. A note with a historical fact was destined to become a flash card simply by writing a question on the back of the note.  Other notes could be arranged based on the themes to make up sections of a paper. 

There is an older program called Writers's Blocks https://www.writersb.../wb5trialrequest.htm
It allows you to play around with trello like cards of information with the aim of arranging them into sections of a paper. In my opinion, it is too singular.  I wish there was a capture the information in some sort of system and play with the information- interact and develop it.  This aim of writer's block dominates the type of play one is capable of with the note cards. I want more.

Another program that comes to mind is AZZcardfile  A number of years ago I was pretty happy to see there was work on an android application.  There were a number of ways to export the cards and I thought about exporting and then importing to something like Writer's blocks.

My issue is that I really want to be able to include video and audio in my system.  I want multi-media.  I do not want to link to a youtube video and that is what most systems do.  Nearly All of my links from the earlier years of the internet are broken which is very sad.  I also cannot use a system like trello as I am not in control of the data.  I cannot have my data in the cloud.  There are self hosted trello alternatives- through nextcloud etc that I have not explored.

Its core idea is to create atomic notes, where each note is about exactly one topic (not more than a few paragraphs tops)
By definition, something that takes two paragraphs is more than one thought. Two paragraphs will also contain associations that make the note cumbersome to use.

I sometimes want to capture concepts in my notes.  Which can be as many as 4 paragraphs to explain:)

If you take a lot of notes, the stream of incoming notes can quickly leave you overwhelmed.
The idea was being selective, both in what was read and the notes taken. They had to be worthwhile and had to be separate. There shouldn't be an overwhelming stream.

This is difficult.  I find the easiest way to limit what I am taking notes on is by focusing on what I am aiming to produce. However,  this often means I need to go back and revisit a resource- if I later on I need to produce something different. 

I used a system when I was in school that was very similar to zettelkasten where you used index cards to take notes.   Much of the process was refining, catalogueing and playing with the cards. Their edges would be all bent, there would be tears from the rubber bands used to bind them together and there would be markups and additions from various colored pens.   I think that is the thing that is missing from the systems I have seen.  It seems like one should be able to more easily "play" with the cards.

Just tonight I stumbled upon a piece of software that was very cards oriented and I could not help but think of zettelkasten. 
It is called Wavemaker

You can find a number of video explainers here.
It is a web app that can run offline.  You can run it on any chrome (possibly other browser) and export import the section you are working on or the entire database.

"Snowflake" cards seemed like they could be helpful to flush out an idea, or dig down.
There are notes (similar to google keep)
Chapter planning cards (it is a novel writing application).
Grid cards (cards in a table)
As well as a timeline and challenger tool.
I am not suggesting it would replace the tools people are using. Just interesting seeing how these various card systems can be used to organize and sort thoughts.

That being said it can be exported in a number of formats ebook, rtf, markdown and html- making it possible to use it and then fold the work into another system.

The application can be downloaded here

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