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Last post Author Topic: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten  (Read 78110 times)

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #575 on: July 07, 2020, 12:06 PM »
noteless - a Markdown-based note-taking app for mobile devices:
https://github.com/redsolver/noteless

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #576 on: July 07, 2020, 12:55 PM »
A Simple, Open and Privacy Focused Note-Taking and PKM Setup:
https://rsapkf.netli...nt-note-taking-setup

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #577 on: July 07, 2020, 02:30 PM »
noteless
So this is an Android version of Notable. Which is a recently closed source markdown app for Windows. I think I'll have a look at Notable, despite its hating wysiwyg, but I'm not so keen on installing apps through the app. Interesting.

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Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Reply #578 on: July 07, 2020, 06:09 PM »
I think I'll have a look at Notable
Does at least include wiki-links since the developer was talked into allowing it.

Another program that has one pane glaring, unless I hide the whole pane.

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Semilattice looks pretty nice.  Out of curiosity, did you ever look at Trilium Notes?   Here is the closest thing to a overview I could find. I posted it earlier in the thread.   When searching for more info about semilattice, I stumbled upon Trillium again. This seems to be the way of things.  Not only do you discover new things, but you rediscover things.  I wonder how deeply you looked at it. It looks like there are a number of ways to handle note titles. 

But I think what makes it a really powerful option is the scripting. https://github.com/z...trilium/wiki/Scripts
Advanced demonstrations of what can be done with the scripting gets me thinking about how this could be used. 

It also appears to have some to integrate with mobile. Trilium Sender also you to write/send notes to your day note.  (though I am not sure if this has been updated)

I have had little time to really explore but when I left off, I was seriously considering trying Trilium with the aim of hosting my own. Hosted web version is a full app for both desktop and mobile and also acts as a central sync server for desktop clients.  There also a front end for touch based devices which.

I am not sure if you you explored it or were put off by something.  There has been alot of exploration on this thread (and I have not kept up)  I have not had a chance to look at obsidian, but I think I glean how it works by what people have posted and also doing some playing around with roamresearch.    In the end, what I would like is something that really allows for the same "play" as actual index cards.  Having a system freely showcases the inherent connections between pieces of information is really attractive.  I think Roamresearch and Obsidian are getting closer to that.   


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I did read the Trilium website,  and looked at the pictures.
Quite a lot of things put me off trying it.
The emphasis on scripting suggested that I wasn't part of its target market.
Database instead of files.
Syntax.
Overstretched developer.
Looks. I'd probably write look and feel if I had actually felt it.
Lack of mobile version or confidence in one coming.

At one time I would have considered it more deeply,  but Obsidian is a good fit for me. File based, so I can use other programs and don't have to worry about export. Syntax that's easy to write. Experienced professional developers who seem to be working well within themselves and, I'm sure,  have a financial plan and already have a successful program. Developing fast and mobile should be here by year end (and they're not Scrivener,  so target dates have been met so far). Always possible they take it in a direction I dislike,  but then I still have all my files.

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Having a system freely showcases the inherent connections between pieces of information is really attractive.  I think Roamresearch and Obsidian are getting closer to that.
The graphs are interesting. Pretty, even if they're not very useful yet. Can zoom in. Quite a lot of examples on the Obsidian discord channel. They will become much more powerful. I assume Roam has similar, though I've not been interested enough to look.

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I just took some time and did some reading on obsidian and I am impressed.  It does also seem to have a huge following that will likely drive it as well. Interest and excitement like RoamResearch.   The thing that really caught my eye was that it has an audio plugin where you can record directly into a note.  Audio recordings and files ( and multimedia in general) are a very important part of my current "knowledge base."

Scripting  in a product like Trilium does not target me either.  However, in theory it means I might be able to use that scripting to automate some of my workflow going forward, and if I am lucky,  incorporating that vast amounts of files I have scattered in different formats.   I would like something that can rather quickly ingest thousands of varying types of files.





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https://notes.andymatuschak.org

This website design is so incredible.  I want this.  How can I do this?

Superboyac,
I stumbled onto some clues that might help your figure this out.  If you take a look at this thread from a little over a month ago on Ycombinator  you will see somone asked the exact same question after someone said the following:

User rhezab said the following :

"I currently use Andy Matuschak's [1] system, using his note-link-janitor script [2] to generate backlinks and Typora to edit. The only thing Obsidian adds is the graph view for me, but it seems that Obsidian generates backlinks using file name, not title. I prefer linking by title. Perhaps this can be an option? The editor also seems to be lacking a little... for instance I can't seem to render math. Hopefully some of my feedback will be useful to you.

Overall really cool idea, but probably not going to use for now. Will keep tabs, and wish you the best of luck!"
[1] https://notes.andyma...rg/About_these_notes [2] https://github.com/a...ak/note-link-janitor"

Someone else mentioned 
TiddlyWiki + Krystal Theme + a few plugins...

which might be another way of doing it.  But the following comment seems more likely

   
  aesadde 40 days ago [–]...I believe you can use this Gatsby theme to get the behavior you're looking for https://github.com/a...la/gatsby-theme-andy "

And if you go take a look it on github, it looks very similar.
Go forth and conquer!

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for instance I can't seem to render math
Obsidian renders math perfectly well now.
Editor is okay, but external editor is always an option.

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It does also seem to have a huge following that will likely drive it as well
Very true. There appear to be hundreds developers eager for the API, all delirious at the prospect of an early alpha/beta that's likely to change before full release. I've little idea what they want to develop, they mostly just seem to want to develop something.

And a thriving industry in CSS themes which are capable significant functional changes.

Some of them are clearly very good going by what they have done so far.

The developers anticipate that much future functionality will come from independently produced plugins.

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However, in theory it means I might be able to use that scripting to automate some of my workflow going forward, and if I am lucky,  incorporating that vast amounts of files I have scattered in different formats. 
And presumably the same would be possible through the Obsidian API.

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Someone else mentioned  TiddlyWiki + Krystal Theme + a few plugins...

So there's a link on that site that leads to twitter: https://twitter.com/...574525342793730?s=20

That leads to this page: https://learnawesome...g/digitalgardensetup

I did it, and it's up and running on github.  But something bothers me.  Since you save your Personal Access token in tiddler, does that mean that anyone will be able to edit your notes?  I tested that out, and people can edit the wiki, but when they save, it downloads a copy, so your PAT is stored in your local browser only.  It seems that sometimes you have problems in saving the wiki also.

I'm not sure about leaving my notes public though.  It was a cool experiment, but one that I think isn't for me.

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However, in theory it means I might be able to use that scripting to automate some of my workflow going forward, and if I am lucky,  incorporating that vast amounts of files I have scattered in different formats.
And presumably the same would be possible through the Obsidian API.
-Dormouse (Today at 04:50 PM)
With its popularity yes.  Also the fact that there is an audio plugin among the first crop of plugins is promising.  So many markdown-centric  apps want text only ( for obvious reasons) but having the ability to make audio memos.... makes me feel this might be different.  However, it is possible that markdown will win out. 

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If you work plainly with text, which is fine for capturing your thoughts- this looks pretty amazing.  However I find myself thinking how do I get other things in it?
-Saved web pages.
There are save webpages as markdown extensions.  There is the issue of stripping the character of the site- which sometimes is helpful to add context. For instance, we Andy's Notes Web page was listed here and I visited it, I remembered being in that place- I have landed on that page on more than one occasion- while researching different things.
-Pdfs
-Book Marks
-Citations
-Annotations/ Highlighted text from PDFs ( spanning 20 years)
-Audio  & video recordings.
-Docs & Spreadsheets.
-Rss
-Previous Wikis
-Correspondences ( email, chats, channels)
-Anki 
-Stickies
-Contacts
etc etc

One cannot expect to get everything int, but hopefully with its popularity.. it will be possible.