Switzerland-based ProtonMail, yet another secure email service

[holt]

I wonder what anyone thinks of Yandex; I like that they don't require a mobile number.

[IainB]

I wonder what anyone thinks of Yandex; I like that they don't require a mobile number.

-holt (March 27, 2016, 03:57 PM)

That looks like a link to a mobile-based email service, which is apparently not "secure" in the same context as this thread (is it?).

[holt]

I wonder what anyone thinks of Yandex; I like that they don't require a mobile number.

-holt (March 27, 2016, 03:57 PM)

That looks like a link to a mobile-based email service, which is apparently not "secure" in the same context as this thread (is it?).

-IainB (March 27, 2016, 07:19 PM)

Good point about 'not secure', which is why I combine it with Tor. What does 'mobile-based' mean, please? I do need it to be cellphone-free and workable with Tor, which it is, and I appreciate your comments very much. PS - I see that Yandex comes in at the #2 spot in About.com's Top 10 Free Email Services for 2016.

[IainB]

@holt: Eh? I'm rather confuzzled now.
Your earlier post hadn't mentioned anything about "...I combine it with Tor", so I don't know what that's about.

In your second post, the "Top 10 " link refers to Yandex as "...Yandex.Mail could function as a full we-based IMAP client" - that is, if it was upgraded. That's what i meant about mobile-only - the site you linked to earlier seemed to indicate that actually Yandex.Mail wasn't a pukka web-based IMAP client.
I only posted my comment to suggest politely that you might have posted your comment in a thread where it was not relevant.

I'm sure Yandex is very good (Why wouldn't it be?), but - and I could be wrong, of course - it doesn't seem to be trying to portray itself as providing a secure encrypted email service such as ProtonMail - does it?   

[holt]

I'm sure you're correct in everything; it appears I posted inappropriately in the wrong thread; sorry.

[Deozaan]

This is now old news (Summer/Fall 2016), but I've only just learned of it:

How Google Nearly Killed ProtonMail.

I'll give you a hint: Google can control which search results show up when people do a search for "encrypted email." Guess which Gmail competitor didn't show up in the search results?

[wraith808]

I'll give you a hint: Google can control which search results show up when people do a search for "encrypted email." Guess which Gmail competitor didn't show up in the search results?

-Deozaan (August 22, 2017, 01:57 AM)

Is there a reliable way for consumers to defend against this?  I've taken to searching more than one search engine, but this is a pain.  Is there a reliable service that searches a lot of search engines and collates the results, so this becomes obvious?

[Edvard]

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Is there a reliable way for consumers to defend against this?  I've taken to searching more than one search engine, but this is a pain.  Is there a reliable service that searches a lot of search engines and collates the results, so this becomes obvious?

-wraith808 (August 22, 2017, 12:38 PM)

I believe DuckDuckGo and Startpage do aggregate/metasearching.  Dogpile is still around, which combines Google and Yahoo results.  Qwant is a European search engine jumping on the "we won't track you" bandwagon.

Oh, looky what I found:
List of Metasearch Engines
http://l-lists.com/en/lists/e34z3f.html

[wraith808]

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Is there a reliable way for consumers to defend against this?  I've taken to searching more than one search engine, but this is a pain.  Is there a reliable service that searches a lot of search engines and collates the results, so this becomes obvious?

-wraith808 (August 22, 2017, 12:38 PM)

I believe DuckDuckGo and Startpage do aggregate/metasearching.  Dogpile is still around, which combines Google and Yahoo results.  Qwant is a European search engine jumping on the "we won't track you" bandwagon.

Oh, looky what I found:
List of Metasearch Engines
http://l-lists.com/en/lists/e34z3f.html

-Edvard (August 22, 2017, 11:37 PM)

DuckDuckGo mentions nothing about aggregate search.  And the last time I evaluated them, there were results missing from their searches that were in Bing and Google for the same search.

[4wd]

Oh, looky what I found:
List of Metasearch Engines

-Edvard (August 22, 2017, 11:37 PM)

Thanks, just started using search404 (last on the list), much better than Google, DDG, or StartPage with more options (easily accessible search parameters, eg. music, files, etc), ability to download results, show where results came from, etc.

Very nice so far, my new default in all the browsers.

[wraith808]

Interesting... they use an OSS engine called searx.  There are several other providers that use this.

https://github.com/a...wiki/Searx-instances