Author Topic: Steve Jobs is dead. (Read 76351 times)

Renegade · « **Reply #75 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:20 PM »

Following up on the RMS post, here's one by Eric Raymond:
http://www.muktware.com/news/2623
-mouser (October 10, 2011, 01:00 PM)

Its time to get out of the RDF (reality distortion field) created by Steve Jobs and admit the truth, which even if bitter is truth.

Nicely put.

Carol Haynes · « **Reply #76 on:** October 11, 2011, 02:53 AM »

Obviously we are heading for Apple's version of the Rapture ... when all Apple device will be fused to their owners and a mere twitch of an eyelash will inform all of your friends of your exact location and which app they should buy next off the app store ...

Oh no - South Park is coming true ...

f0dder · « **Reply #77 on:** October 11, 2011, 01:32 PM »

Okay so we're well past the 3 day mark ... Shouldn't he be back by now??
-Stoic Joker (October 10, 2011, 04:52 PM)

Is that the third coming... Or the fourth Reich?

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #78 on:** October 11, 2011, 05:06 PM »

Okay so we're well past the 3 day mark ... Shouldn't he be back by now??
-Stoic Joker (October 10, 2011, 04:52 PM)
Is that the third coming... Or the fourth Reich?
-f0dder (October 11, 2011, 01:32 PM)

Yes...

40hz · « **Reply #79 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:11 PM »

Carol Haynes · « **Reply #80 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:12 PM »

That's assuming the vertical orientation is correct ...

rgdot · « **Reply #81 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:15 PM »

That's assuming the vertical orientation is correct ...
-Carol Haynes (October 12, 2011, 06:12 PM)

rgdot · « **Reply #82 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:17 PM »

That gives me an idea

iAfterlife

Target · « **Reply #83 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:18 PM »

I'm looking at how moses is holding onto those tablets and I think I can see the problem...

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #84 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:31 PM »

That gives me an idea

iAfterlife
-rgdot (October 12, 2011, 06:17 PM)

Packaged as a gift set just-in-time for christmas with the iDied.

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #85 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:34 PM »

The iDied is surgically implanted and remains dormant until you keel over. Then it automatically activates the iAfterLife and you're transported to an apple wonderland paradise.

The trick of course is you have to keel over before the battery does...

Ehtyar · « **Reply #86 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:54 PM »

And since it won't be user serviceable....

4wd · « **Reply #87 on:** October 13, 2011, 06:13 AM »

Then it automatically activates the iAfterLife and you're transported to an apple wonderland paradise.
-Stoic Joker (October 12, 2011, 06:34 PM)

Shouldn't you mean the Garden of Eden where you can feast upon apples

Jibz · « **Reply #88 on:** October 18, 2011, 04:38 AM »

wraith808 · « **Reply #89 on:** October 26, 2011, 09:25 AM »

From the blog post Snipers... about sums up my feelings on the subject...

Some NSFW language behind the cut

Spoiler

Any time a famous person dies, there always seems to be some sniping going on during all the news accounts of his or her passing.

There were people gave Mother Teresa shit after she died. I expect the Dalai Lama will catch some of that when he shuffles on.

Yeah, I can understand how one can get fed up with hearing the same stuff over and over. When the Challenger space shuttle blew up, I had to turn my TV off–they kept showing that explosion over and over and over until I couldn't stand it. As they did with the twin towers on 9/11. My knee-jerk reaction when I see either of those now is to change the channel, or go refill the water glass.

Like pop forty rock or cute TV commercial that are fun the first three or four times you hear see them, but that grate after the ninety-eighth time during one single day, TMI is TMI.

Steve Jobs was, by most accounts, a dick to work with. Self-centered, driven, and living in fantasyland to such an extent that it probably killed him–had he gotten the surgery to remove the cancer when it was encapsulated instead of waiting nine months and drinking herb tea? Maybe he'd still be here.

He ragged on everybody around him, apparently had the managerial skills of a blind walrus, and no concept of sparing anybody's balls in public.

But when I scan Facebook and see comments from people on my friend list that say, "Hey, Jobs wasn't so hot!" I just shake my head.

Really? How many billions of people are making phone calls, listening to music, or reading stuff like this online using a computer or touch table that your company created?

He created Apple, then came back after they fired him and pulled it out of the toilet to make it the second most valuable corporation in the country behind Exxon, and for a while, ahead of them.

Only a sales guy? Are you fucking kidding? The man could have sold matches and gasoline in Hell, and gotten premium prices for both.

Don't have to like the guy, but if you don't respect what he accomplished, you are missing a critical piece of your brain ...

Eóin · « **Reply #90 on:** October 26, 2011, 09:53 AM »

Don't have to like the guy, but if you don't respect what he accomplished, you are missing a critical piece of your brain ...
-http://themanwhonevermissed.blogspot.com/2011/10/snipers.html

Nothing's missing from my brain, truth is I don't respect what he accomplished because I don't respect how he accomplished it.

Renegade · « **Reply #91 on:** October 26, 2011, 11:23 AM »

Don't have to like the guy, but if you don't respect what he accomplished, you are missing a critical piece of your brain ...
-http://themanwhonevermissed.blogspot.com/2011/10/snipers.html

Nothing's missing from my brain, truth is I don't respect what he accomplished because I don't respect how he accomplished it.
-Eóin (October 26, 2011, 09:53 AM)

I'm split. Part of me has to give him credit for a lot of what he did. Another part of me has to give him credit in the same way that I'd give Pol Pot credit for his "accomplishments".

As for respect, well... The first part there, sure. The second, not so much.

kfitting · « **Reply #92 on:** October 26, 2011, 11:26 AM »

For me the problem is the extremes: Jobs was very good at what he did and revolutionized tech... he's not perfect, and he's not evil. I try to stay in the middle (which has it's own pitfalls). I did find this CNN piece interesting though:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/26/short-takes-are-we-turning-steve-jobs-into-a-saint/?hpt=hp_c2

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #93 on:** October 26, 2011, 11:57 AM »

Jobs was very good at what he did and revolutionized ~~tech...~~ marketing
-kfitting (October 26, 2011, 11:26 AM)

FTFY

wraith808 · « **Reply #94 on:** October 26, 2011, 01:17 PM »

Nothing's missing from my brain, truth is I don't respect what he accomplished because I don't respect how he accomplished it.
-Eóin (October 26, 2011, 09:53 AM)

There's a difference between the accomplishment and the business behind the accomplishment. People seem to discard the one for the other. I don't think we'd be where we are with smartphones, tablets, nor music players if not for these accomplishments. It's not as if he was responsible for any of the innovations- but the design behind the implementations that Apple utilized pushed the market because they were able to see financial feasibility in the concepts. To ignore that is to throw the baby out with the bathwater IMO.

wraith808 · « **Reply #95 on:** October 26, 2011, 01:18 PM »

Jobs was very good at what he did and revolutionized ~~tech...~~ marketing
-kfitting (October 26, 2011, 11:26 AM)

FTFY
-Stoic Joker (October 26, 2011, 11:57 AM)

It wasn't just marketing- people say that all the time. But look at it objectively, and one can see that it wasn't *just* the marketing. At least IMO.

Eóin · « **Reply #96 on:** October 26, 2011, 02:07 PM »

True, he also robbed a lot of other people ideas and claimed they were his.

He was famous for taking all the credit.

Apple's famous designer, Jonathan Ive, was frustrated because Steve was constantly taking credit for his ideas. It was a recurring problem, with incredibly talented executives complaining that Jobs took all the credit for Apple's game-changing innovations. "I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from, and I even keep notebooks filled with my ideas," Ive said. "So it hurts when he takes credit for one of my designs."
-http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/stories/032411jobsa

wraith808 · « **Reply #97 on:** October 26, 2011, 02:19 PM »

True, he also robbed a lot of other people ideas and claimed they were his.

He was famous for taking all the credit.

Apple's famous designer, Jonathan Ive, was frustrated because Steve was constantly taking credit for his ideas. It was a recurring problem, with incredibly talented executives complaining that Jobs took all the credit for Apple's game-changing innovations. "I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from, and I even keep notebooks filled with my ideas," Ive said. "So it hurts when he takes credit for one of my designs."
-http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/stories/032411jobsa
-Eóin (October 26, 2011, 02:07 PM)

And again, this is baby/bathwater situation. Not even taking into account that we are on the outside, and this is basically he said/she said kind of stuff (not saying if its true or not), the point is that the company under his leadership *was* responsible for the energizing of the tablet market that Microsoft had been trying to get mainstream for 10 years at the time the iPad came out, and similar things happened with the phone and the music player. But I suppose that doesn't mean anything?

Carol Haynes · « **Reply #98 on:** October 26, 2011, 02:22 PM »

Can somebody point at one device Apple has produced that wasn't based on an existing product or products?

Sorry his genius was repackaging, re-badging, marketing, stealing ideas and then suing the originator for patent infringement.

If there is one true achievement Jobs and his empire can claim it is the current state of patent laws.

Here are some examples:

Xerox/Wimp/Gem => MacOS
BSD => current MacOS foundation + skin to look like old MacOS
Hardware originally designed for Windows machines => 1/2 generation behind the times to avoid cutting edge issues = Mac PCs/Macbooks
A multitude of MP3 players and online MP3 download sites => iPod
A multitude of smart phones and handheld computers => iPhone => iPad

40hz · « **Reply #99 on:** October 26, 2011, 03:10 PM »

Can somebody point at one device Apple has produced that wasn't based on an existing product or products?
-Carol Haynes (October 26, 2011, 02:22 PM)

No. There aren't any.

Sorry his genius was repackaging, re-badging, marketing, stealing ideas and then suing the originator for patent infringement.

If there is one true achievement Jobs and his empire can claim it is the current state of patent laws.
-Carol Haynes (October 26, 2011, 02:22 PM)

+1! Apple was the first business AFAICT that tried to get around the rule you couldn't patent an idea by creating the legal fiction that eventually came to be known as the "look & feel" argument when they accused Microsoft of copying an Apple 'innovation' (i.e. resizeable and moveable windows) which Apple had wholly lifted from Xerox PARC.

Years later, Jobs would claim to have paid Xerox $1 for the use of their desktop concept. But apparently no record survived of that deal. Or at least not enough of a record to prevent Xerox from suing Apple for stealing PARC's ideas several years after the Macintosh came out.

So it goes... $:-\$