Wikileaks - Julian Assange Granted Asylum by Ecuador

[Renegade]

Disclaimer 2. I'm Australian, not USA-an. And I hate the way USA culture has swamped Australian culture. (If I had the power I'd ban ALL tv and USA movies from being shown here) So I'm not a rusted on pro or anti USA person

-tsaint (August 21, 2012, 05:15 PM)

Hehe! Yes, here in Australia we can certainly hear the trumpeting of the American elephant off in the jungle. But try sleeping beside the elephant! Oh, poor Canada~!

Whatever, to me it seems a bit like mob hysteria with all sorts of wild, fanciful claims springing up. Most of them based on half truths or rumour or someone is reported as having said instead of actual facts. With our favourite govt to hate being the witch.

-tsaint (August 21, 2012, 05:15 PM)

Make no mistake. I am not a bigot. I hate them all equally. Well, maybe not equally... but all of them anyways~!

[tomos]

Whatever, to me it seems a bit like mob hysteria with all sorts of wild, fanciful claims springing up. Most of them based on half truths or rumour or someone is reported as having said instead of actual facts. With our favourite govt to hate being the witch.

-tsaint (August 21, 2012, 05:15 PM)

I agree with this. I believe that the alternative media's approach only undermines their position. They rant to the converted, and dont seem really interested in the truth which is often hidden in the details.
A problem with that is, that it allows people looking from the outside to write them off as a bunch of quacks, and to think/claim that there's no big problem. In that sense, that type of media approach contributes to the problems, rather than exposing them.

I am quick myself to take people and their sources to task for flaws and weaknesses. I find the usual black/white approach to these kind of things a weakness - on both sides.

I'll repeat: I'm no fan of Wikileaks, and I'm no fan of Assange.

And I'll finish by saying that your comparision with a your local footbal team is weak, to say the least. I'll leave it at that, cause if you believe your position, who am I to say it's wrong.

[zridling]

@tsaint: "Would like a reference to where the USA govt has called for his assassination as you allege though."
Obama has not "ruled it out." Also, Senator Diane Feinstein, Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee:
http://online.wsj.co...653280626335258.html  and,
http://www.salon.com...einsteins_espionage/
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As for the NDAA, recall your Bush years and "signing statements." Obama uses them, too. Congress can pass anything, but the executive branch usually "interprets" the laws to their perversions. Politically, I'm all over the place, but probably more a socialist than anything else. Obama has already flat-out refused to turn over documents Congress subpoenaed regarding the "Fast and Furious" guns in and out of Mexico operation. And when Congress doesn't give a president what they want, there's always the Executive Order. This article details the NDAA better than I can here:

Why I’m Suing Barack Obama by Chris Hedges
http://www.truthdig....rack_obama_20120116/
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Putting people in jail in the US is a for-profit business; google UNICOR.gov and CCA.com

[Renegade]

Putting people in jail in the US is a for-profit business; google UNICOR.gov and CCA.com

-zridling (August 22, 2012, 05:00 AM)

Pee-laugh warning...

Gotta love these taglines:





Partnership corrections? Oh, god, please! We're life changing? BWAHAHAHA~!

[barney]

Putting people in jail in the US is a for-profit business; google UNICOR.gov and CCA.com

-zridling (August 22, 2012, 05:00 AM)

Pee-laugh warning...

Gotta love these taglines:
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Partnership corrections? Oh, god, please! We're life changing? BWAHAHAHA~!

-Renegade (August 22, 2012, 06:03 AM)

Well, yeah ... but those statements stand, although [probably  ] not with the intent of the originators.  How do you define Partnership Correction ... fifteen (15) years at Attica or Folsom?  And that would definitely be life changing, doncha thimk  ?

[40hz]

Politically, I'm all over the place...

-zridling (August 22, 2012, 05:00 AM)

Me too! But I prefer to characterize myself as a Political Non-Euclidean.

[Renegade]

Well, a minor update from The Register:

http://www.theregist...ce_plan_for_assange/

"Action required – Assange to be arrested under all circumstances," reads a handwritten briefing note photographed in the hands of one of the officers surrounding the Ecuadorian embassy. The note says Assange is to be arrested if he leaves the embassy in the company of another diplomat or if the Ecuadorians try and smuggle him out in the diplomatic bag.

etc.

[Carol Haynes]

I just hope Ecuador have large, bullet-proof diplomatic bags ...

Seriously though storming an Embassy is de facto  a declaration of war - are we (the UK) really happy with the idea that we unilaterally declare war on another state so that the US can extradite someone out of spite? I have heard of the special relationship but that if fucking stupid - but then our Tories are nearly as rabid as the republican guard in the US who won't be happy until they get a total republican military dictatorship with a cabinet drawn from Westboro Baptist church!

[40hz]

^Not so much republican as praetorian guard. There is an element within the US government whose mantra is: "Patriotism does not get elected every four years."

Now you know why the Founding Fathers were so opposed to what we today know as government bureaucracies and career politicians.

[Renegade]

^Not so much republican as praetorian guard. There is an element within the US government whose mantra is: "Patriotism does not get elected every four years."

Now you know why the Founding Fathers were so opposed to what we today know as government bureaucracies and career politicians.

-40hz (August 26, 2012, 11:52 AM)

Y'know... It's ok to instead of saying "career politician", just be honest and succinct and say "criminal".

(Sorry -- I'm really trying to refrain... but that I just couldn't pass up~! )

But, definitely +1 there!