Author Topic: Official CMS Migration Progress Thread - September 2017 (Read 180779 times)

Ath · « **Reply #100 on:** September 26, 2017, 01:27 PM »

That 'internal advert' is something that really ad(d)s something to the site.

mouser · « **Reply #101 on:** September 26, 2017, 01:30 PM »

The menu used does seem a bit sluggish in some places.

I'll look into it..

One thing that I'm fairly sure will change before the real site goes live is that those deep menus will change to only be 1 level deep.
Having the super deep menus in the navigation bar is fun to be able to see the entire site structure, but I think it may be a bit overwhelming.

So for example there won't be this:
Screenshot - 9_26_2017 , 1_33_39 PM.png

And instead the navigation bar will just show the 1st level children of the "Software" section, and from there you will navigate the page content to get to specific programs.

Ath · « **Reply #102 on:** September 26, 2017, 01:41 PM »

What isn't too obvious in the menu, is that you can click on every level in the menu and get to see the page from that point on, allowing to navigate deeper down if desired. Then the sluggishness is extra confusing, as it seems nothing happens after clicking...
Removing that huge menu structure is going to take away that confusion I guess

though giving feedback after clicking would still be really nice.

mouser · « **Reply #103 on:** September 26, 2017, 01:49 PM »

What isn't too obvious in the menu, is that you can click on every level in the menu and get to see the page from that point on, allowing to navigate deeper down if desired... Removing that huge menu structure is going to take away that confusion I guess

Yes, exactly. That is one of the main motivations for removing the deep structure -- otherwise it is not at all clear that those intermediate items in the menu are actual (important) pages.
Removing the deep structure in the navigation bar will eliminate that problem and people will need to progress through the pages to reach a deep page.

Carol Haynes · « **Reply #104 on:** September 26, 2017, 03:32 PM »

Sorry just saw this thread ...

Glad you are liking Joomla

What I have been doing is using a combo of drop down and cascading vertical menus

Check out www.tanyaanisimova.com and look in the Tanya and Sheet Music Menus

mouser · « **Reply #105 on:** September 27, 2017, 03:09 PM »

Hey Carol!
Yeah, that's not a bad idea..

Though I think I have a pretty good solution in place with some custom extensions I've written (I've enjoyed writing joomla extensions).
With my approach the page content of parent pages is dynamically generated from the menu structure, to yield parent pages that look like those shown here.
Perhaps the nicest thing about this approach is that if pages are added and moved around, those parent pages are automatically always up to date.

mouser · « **Reply #106 on:** September 27, 2017, 03:13 PM »

Keep the suggestions coming!

Deozaan · « **Reply #107 on:** September 27, 2017, 09:28 PM »

Maybe update the topic of this post to say [Current Year]

Tuxman · « **Reply #108 on:** September 28, 2017, 08:38 AM »

I find submenu structures on websites rather counter-intuitive. You'll most likely have to perform severe "trial-and-error" about where to find what you are looking for.

Carol Haynes · « **Reply #109 on:** September 28, 2017, 04:32 PM »

Hey Carol!
Yeah, that's not a bad idea..

Though I think I have a pretty good solution in place with some custom extensions I've written (I've enjoyed writing joomla extensions).
With my approach the page content of parent pages is dynamically generated from the menu structure, to yield parent pages that look like those shown here.
Perhaps the nicest thing about this approach is that if pages are added and moved around, those parent pages are automatically always up to date.
-mouser (September 27, 2017, 03:09 PM)

Nice

Whatever you do don't be tempted by the Kunena forum software (flippin' nighmare!!) - keep is as a separate thing with a matching theme!

mouser · « **Reply #110 on:** September 28, 2017, 07:42 PM »

No worries, we're sticking with smf, just like you're sticking with the cello!

Carol Haynes · « **Reply #111 on:** September 29, 2017, 08:17 AM »

No worries, we're sticking with smf, just like you're sticking with the cello!
-mouser (September 28, 2017, 07:42 PM)

LOL - pretty much joined at the hip with the cello these days

Contro · « **Reply #112 on:** September 29, 2017, 02:01 PM »

Do not trust and do not take risks. Assure the operation by reviewing it as if you were not a computer engineer or a software engineer.

In other professional forums I love they forgot the elemental steps and lose the security copy, or make errors than now we are regretting.

"Las prisas para los ladrones y para los malos toreros". = the haste/Hurry for thieves and bad bullfighters

Best Regards.

mouser · « **Reply #113 on:** October 07, 2017, 09:05 AM »

I believe the new cms site is now essentially finished other than minor tweaking..

rgdot · « **Reply #114 on:** October 07, 2017, 10:06 AM »

Shades · « **Reply #115 on:** October 07, 2017, 12:29 PM »

To be honest, I am starting to be curious.

Still, there is that saying: "90% of any software related project takes 90% of the time, the remaining 10% takes the other 90% of the time..."

mouser · « **Reply #116 on:** October 07, 2017, 03:59 PM »

So there are a few things I could use help with:

I could use a few people to go through the entire new site and look for typos, spelling errors, and other ways text could get improved on any given page, and to report these suggestions to me.
I could use a few people to look for more general suggestions of ways the site appearance could be tweaked -- not looking for major change ideas at this point, just images or layouts that could be improved a bit.
I could use one dedicated and detail oriented person to help build the big redirect list mapping old urls to new urls. This won't be a fun job but it's a critical one that will make all of the old urls automatically redirect to new ones. This job basically involves taking a list of the few hundred old urls and finding where on the new site the best matching new page is, and then building a list of these pairs.
I could use a few people going through old (current website) and looking for pages that might have been missed and not reproduced on the new site. This job has overlap with the one above.

Volunteers?
(The new cms is hidden behind a password protect, so I will give you password to access the site.)

mouser · « **Reply #117 on:** October 07, 2017, 04:00 PM »

For those who are merely curious but aren't prepared to devote real time to helping at this point, hang in there -- I will soon make a video showing off the new site. After we get everything tweaked we will open the beta to everyone here for a while before it goes live.

Shades · « **Reply #118 on:** October 07, 2017, 05:31 PM »

If you think my English is good enough, I can volunteer weekends. For a few weeks at least, those are completely my own.

Contro · « **Reply #119 on:** October 08, 2017, 05:58 AM »

Sure I can help !

Just because I have the virtue going for the unexpected ways , wrong ways, posting inadequatedly and so on.

I am the ideal betatester !

Contro · « **Reply #120 on:** October 08, 2017, 06:10 AM »

So there are a few things I could use help with:

I could use a few people to go through the entire new site and look for typos, spelling errors, and other ways text could get improved on any given page, and to report these suggestions to me.
I could use a few people to look for more general suggestions of ways the site appearance could be tweaked -- not looking for major change ideas at this point, just images or layouts that could be improved a bit.
I could use one dedicated and detail oriented person to help build the big redirect list mapping old urls to new urls. This won't be a fun job but it's a critical one that will make all of the old urls automatically redirect to new ones. This job basically involves taking a list of the few hundred old urls and finding where on the new site the best matching new page is, and then building a list of these pairs.
I could use a few people going through old (current website) and looking for pages that might have been missed and not reproduced on the new site. This job has overlap with the one above.

Volunteers?
(The new cms is hidden behind a password protect, so I will give you password to access the site.)
-mouser (October 07, 2017, 03:59 PM)

I submerged twice weeks ago in the oldest posts and Renegade website seems down.

Contro · « **Reply #121 on:** October 08, 2017, 06:12 AM »

To be honest, I am starting to be curious.

Still, there is that saying: "90% of any software related project takes 90% of the time, the remaining 10% takes the other 90% of the time..."
-Shades (October 07, 2017, 12:29 PM)

Pareto ?

IainB · « **Reply #122 on:** October 11, 2017, 02:20 PM »

mouser: re « Reply #116 on: 2017-10-07, 15:59:18 »

So there are a few things I could use help with: ...
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-mouser (October 07, 2017, 03:59 PM)

My apologies, but, for some time now I had meant to bring up this observable disparity (evident in the forum web pages in comment EDIT mode), seemingly between views on Chrome-based and views on IE browsers. I forgot to mention it until today, when I again noticed it and had time to do a proper capture and document a record of the thing.
Not sure whether it has been documented by anyone before, but here it is anyway:

mouser · « **Reply #123 on:** October 11, 2017, 02:22 PM »

How strange! I wonder if its an add blocker on your end doing it, or if its some css code in the forum display that i am not aware of.

IainB · « **Reply #124 on:** October 11, 2017, 05:31 PM »

How strange! I wonder if its an add blocker on your end doing it, or if its some css code in the forum display that i am not aware of.
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-mouser (October 11, 2017, 02:22 PM)

Spot-on!
I disabled BadAdJohnny for the DC domain, refreshed the page, and that restored the Youtube icon/button. Can see it now as I edit this.
Thanks.
Now I wonder why BAJ picked on only that button?