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General Software Discussion / Re: research system where emails w/ inline pics are the base

« Last post by Steven Avery on October 04, 2011, 12:11 PM »

Hi,

Thanks. I thought I had checked Google groups a year or two again.  I will check again.  If they do it, I am in clover city.

Later I will try to take a picture of one and show you what I mean, for those who find my verbiage explanatory a tad stultifying.  A picture is worth ...

This is simply dropping a .jpg pic or two into an email (i.e inline as opposed to either attachments or on the web with a pointer) and sending it out.

It looks like embedded may be the more techie accurate word than inline. I am trying to avoid anything with attachments or hosting, simply direct pics viewable.

Shalom,
Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: How do you organize/access tiny portable utilities?

« Last post by Steven Avery on October 04, 2011, 12:06 PM »

Hi,

How about something like a "TIP" box when you go " "Edit-new-local_file" where it says "You can drag and drop from ..."  with a checkbox "Do not show this tip again".

I dunno if the TIP structure built-in to many programs (is it OS ?) is flexible in that way, but the idea would work if you can implement.

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Thus it becomes exceedingly easy to use Linkman as a launcher and/or program cataloguer by running through your places under c:\program files\ and dragging and dropping and then assigning keywords like "startup", "trialexp" "dunno" "security" etc.  Also any programs you have that might be elsewhere (I try to be sure even the non-install programs like some utiltities of NirSoft have a c:\program files\ folder).  

Note: I did note that if the link is already there, it does not come up for edit (or dup or anything) on drag-and-drop.  Not a big deal, since while I am adding them I have "c:\program files\ in the search bar (I only use one folder, nothing heirarchical, all search). However, I know you will want to check that. Perhaps a configuration thing "on drag-and-drop" "add and edit", or "add" or "show" (which I never use).

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Thought:
We could have a thread for the "Responsive, Friendly Dozen" (or 25) - "commercial" software where the individual or small team is totally responsive.  Thomas for Linkman is nominated, that fellow Jaros from Hard Disk Sentinel. There can be superb software without such daily give-and-take (e.g. Revo Uninstaller) and the is often super-responsive DonationCoderWare and Freeware.   I just think the actual biz companies that are really dedicated with products especial can get a nod.

Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Hard Disk Sentinel Professional on BDJ

« Last post by Steven Avery on October 04, 2011, 02:07 AM »

Hi Folks,

And I was impressed enough to make it as a "extra" purchase.  It was nice to know quickly that the hard disk is in good shape and some monitoring and scheduling can be set up. And that there is a company with a software on this that is on the A-1 level.

Even the comparative piece of mind is kewl, knowing that a few hard drives have crashed over the years. This is an example where the Bits discount $17.50 compared to $35 is rather fundamental to the purchase.

Granted, you may get the basics from some freeware and some savvy, however this is a nicely done software.

There is a discussion board, not super active, but it is there, another nice sign.
http://www.hdsentine...um/viewforum.php?f=3

Steven

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General Software Discussion / research system where emails w/ inline pics are the base

« Last post by Steven Avery on October 03, 2011, 04:20 PM »

Hi Folks,

Normally an email forum like Yahoogroups or Google groups (others are Topica, BigTent, etc) is very good for archiving information, since each email = 1 url and the urls can have their Linkman keywords.  Thus, once you know the url (navigate to the page and bookmark) and add some keywords the material can be re-found easily. And the art of composing and sending is very quick using Eudora or any RTF email compose, combined with Abbyy Screenshot Reader (a $10 product, which has the OCR option when desired, to transform the pic text, when appropriate).

However, one limitation is hard to address. Inline .jpgs, can be an integral part of such emails.  When people receive them in the mail, through the forum (if they enable RTF which in Yahoogroups is "attachments") they show up fine (generally).

However the online Archive system of Yahoogroups, the one you would link to, is not designed to show the inline .jpg.  Instead it leaves a blank space.  So far, I do not know that any email group handles this properly, although I do plan to recheck.  The limitation of Yahoogroups on this is well-known, and work-arounds are clumsy, such as using box.net or Flickr or attachments.  All of which defeats the purpose of ... quick, easy and simple pics in each email (not the specialty, carefully done cases where I find Box.net or Flickr can be superb).

Now among the group forum moderator lists, and my own experementation, I am trying to determine if anything is really good with any email forum host.  So far, nothing.

However, what about alternatives like Evernote or Onenote or some Web Archiving systems ?  Do you know of any way to accomplish the same end ?  Here is the key:

Start with : email with RTF and inline .jpgs, composed with your home email editor.
Send the email: to some place.
And have the url reasonably easily accessible for that very same email, and have it show up as sent.

Any help accomplishing this, or coming up with an alternative method of accomplishing he same general :
(Does not have to be email.)

COMPOSE -- SEND -- LINK with KEYWORDS ... the goal... using any tools.

Please share away.

Thanks

Shalom,
Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: BitsduJour Malware bytes Deal

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 27, 2011, 11:59 PM »

Hi,

I bought this, more to give them support and to have automatic scheduling .. although I may use their real-time stuff too (you can end up with too many real-timers).

The only companies that seem to really have the general (sometimes you need specialty) scan-and-fix thing working today is MB and SAS (SuperAntiSpyware). It is a tricky area, and at least a free version should be pre-installed if possible.  They have worked occasionally to fix the puters at work that go haywire and just give a very nice extra layer of protection.  (I think they make their $ living partly in the corporate world where a smart company will purchase a nice wide license.  And maybe avoid a lot of problems and reformats, in fact I may suggest it for my client, who ends up reformatting a PC out of 20 too frequently .. like once a month. Almost a habit.)  Their real-time I will guess (I am not up on Wilder's on this).. is a reasonable go, but I do not know if they are more heuristic or HIPS-oriented, and how strong. I prefer good HIPS programs, even Zemana has been pretty good on this level. And Online Armor firewall has reasonable stuff. WinPatrol in a limited way.  It is this type of stuff that I think has helped keep me safer the last few years, along with some browsing stuff. )

Thumbs up to Malwarebytes.  The company seems to be one of the real integrity companies. If you look at the comments you will see a number of people buying simply because they know how good the company is, want to give their support, and appreciate even just the scheduling extras of the Paid version (even if you do not use real-time).  Oh, you also have a lifetime license, so you are more visible to their support people.

I agree that the small price for the extras is a good way to show support.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: How do you organize/access tiny portable utilities?

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 26, 2011, 06:26 AM »

Hi Folks,

My master method is also Linkman. (The program is truly amazing, I always like to give Powermarks a bit of thanks for the pioneering work years back.) And I never bother with folders, e.g. I use "sn#" as a keyword for all registered software. I try to have the description sensibly alphabetized so my default view makes sense.  If I wanted something similar with installed apps, I might use a keyword like "appins". And, a trick, I put the keyword in the description field so that if I see even one of the items I will quickly remember the keyword.  

Then I use good old Listpro when I want to custom design a method of maintaining such an item as a database. Of course you could try using the user defined fields in Linkman but I really like Listpro for that type of stuff, even with its lack of tabs and printing limitations.  Maybe I will return to some of the database possibilities this week again.

My start folder is always worked top-down. "Start-Programs-Utilities-File Manager" will show Total Commander and Free Commander and xplorer2.  And I use Total Commander for quick placement of that stuff, a little trick that probably beats using a utility, once you understand where Windows hides the stuff.

And I would use Linkstash or 43Marks to call my programs from a webpage, if I could get around web security easily. I posted a thread on that issue, wondering why disk access from a web page specially designated as ok should require complex steps.  Hmmm.. probably also a localhost webpage as well.  Seems like web security of this nature (not calling a program on disk) should be designed for an easier custom override.

Thanks for the drop and drag tip. I was using navigating "Edit-new-local_file" which works well, I suggested Linkman modify the structure to make that a bit easier to find.

Shalom,
Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: PhraseExpress v8, Pro Edition, on BdJ, Tuesday 12 April, 2011

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 15, 2011, 11:51 PM »

Hi,

Most of my repetitive keystrokes are scripture verse references, where I use a software program to find copy and format.  So if "1T316" expands to a formatted copy of the verse 1 Timothy 3:16 (RTF would be nice, perhaps in an alt version "R1T316", carriage returns embedded is one main point for formatting clean) that would be nice.  

So Breevy might be an early try.  Breevy and PhraseExpress have forums, always a nice indicator, with PE more active.

Maybe I have 100 other semi-repetitive phrases, often quotes (it is hard to think about what I do repetitively, makes me into an automaton) right now I use Linkman as my database holder and finder, combined with searching sections of my Eudora email.

Hmmm...  I could see trying to use a phrase -text expander for this purpose, but I am not sure it would be best.

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The Phrase Express freeware might be sufficient as well, and a good compare to Breevy. Especially since I should qualify for personal use, and would recommend it at work-client (20 PCs there) if I find it a big help.

The big issue here is what triggers the nagging for commercial use ?.  In the Snapfiles discussion, and elsewhere, it is clear that it used to be way overdone, and this was even acknowledged ...  however is it ok now ? (the PhraseExpress website indicates it is only based on rather obvious business use phrases)  Any users able to comment ? I do not want to start with the effort if this is going to be a problem.

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I understand the point about only one low-level keyboard hook program. Right now I am not using AutoHotKey or another, so I don't have that direct, immediate clash problem.

Do these programs tend to  uninstall clean ?  That is a major concern if there is a lower-level aspect.  Should you just try one at a time ?

I noticed one program said that it worked with pasting instead of individual keys.  Is that a significant architectural difference ?

Do we have a super "text expander-- autocomplete -- autotext" thread somewhere ?

Shalom,
Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: PhraseExpress v8, Pro Edition, on BdJ, Tuesday 12 April, 2011

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 15, 2011, 06:39 AM »

Now on todays Bits.  Suggestions welcome.  I will probably try it during the day and read the comments, with a 50% estimated purchase possibility.

The tone above is a bit unfortunate, there was no snarkiness and generally DC has the most informed, hospitable discussions ..  on the other hand it is very excellent to have a person from the company in active dialog and explanation.

Let the research continue afresh and anew.

Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / CloudZap on Bits Du Jour - Saturday 9-10-11

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 11, 2011, 12:47 AM »

Hi Folks,

Well it is ending in a bit more than an hour. And one comment earlier on Donationcoder was "a solution looking for a problem".  Nonetheless I like it.  And the Bits price is ok.. $9.95.

Cloudzap
http://www.bitsdujou...m/software/cloudzap/

Not for pictures so much. Now we have screenshot captor and zUploader (or zScreen and zUploader) which covers that well. And CloudZap only integrates with SnagIt, a very good program with a $50 price tag. btw, zUploader looks more configurable in terms of adding your own new storage units.

However, CloudZap has a couple of nice features.  Simultaneous uploading-distribution to a few places at once. That might not be in zUploader.  An evernote connection. A rudimentary history file. And, most of all, a printer driver. 

Normally when I want to save a picture, especially from a webpage like an invoice confirmation, I use the pdfFactory printer driver from the Fineprint people.  And save the PDF to a file.  So the idea here is that you use their printer driver and then download-upload simultaneously .. to your file, and to some upload places. 

Similar can be nice on sharing files. One lack seems to be not giving you back a sharing link on those types of uploads, but I have a question in about that.  You would like the automatic upload to give you the file share link in some nice easy places without logging in on your own.

This is all done on a rudimentary level, so lots of tweaks of the above are possible.

Steven

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Screenshot Captor / Re: Screenshot Captor Auto Upload/ftp/imageshack/dropbox/etc using ZUploader

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 11, 2011, 12:33 AM »

Hi,

Ok, I'm impressed.  I know we were discussing zScreen and zUploader and it looks like screenshot captor simply gives you that much more versatility on the screen shot and manipulation and annotation area. kewl. So I now have a download (hmm.. have to figger out how to register) and will try some in the days ahead.

Interestingly, the Bits du Jour tonight (ends in an hour or so) has been CloudZap.  CloudZap has similarity to zUploader in terms of upload integration.

However it works through setting up a queue by pointing to a file, or using their printer driver for a PDF OR through .. SnagIt for direct pic integration. The problem is that SnagIt is pricey, messing up the deal.  The rest is still interesting, but that should go on a regular thread.   

Shalom,
Steven

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Living Room / Re: Thoughts in remembrance of 911

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 10, 2011, 11:18 AM »

Hi Folks,

And I had a view of the towers from my place in the sun (Bayside, Queens), so it was all intense.  However, no direct friends lost.  

On the five-year I hung out with the Trufers as I never really bought the Standard American Description (SAD) of what happened. Building 7, pristine passport landing on the street, etc. There was a conference that year.

And I am considering the same possibility tomorrow, the threat for tomorrow is a bit expected, and something to consider.

Shalom,
Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Revo Uninstaller Pro 50% OFF

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 10, 2011, 10:57 AM »

Hi.

Right. I think that does only the bold ones.

However if a person does a top-level check by hand they may pick up stuff to delete that they do not want to delete. I almost did that once or twice. Anyway, I can ask Revo.  It just seems that some users would do that, causing problems.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: Flexible List (data) Management - ListPro and the Alternatives

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 09, 2011, 01:01 AM »

Hi Folks,

Active? Yes:Clip:MyDatabase™ Home and Business

-sword (September 08, 2011, 01:29 PM)

I was wondering if there is active development.  Or simply the product as picked up in its final state from Elibrium some years back.   Anyway, without hot links in a view/browse mode of data the utility would not be sufficient for many of my lists.  I often use these things to quickly bring up the page.

btw, I have just discovered the sublevel of items in ListPro, which works through an indenting mechanism (conceptually it is a bit backwards, which is why I missed it at first .. when you call for an indent, then it becomes a subunit of the line above).  Seems to work quite well. What I really like about ListPro is the ability to modify the database almost on the fly. Without going in and out of a complex data design handling unit.   Surely, later on you might hit some walls with some lists and decide you want more relational strength.  You cross that bridge when you need the Rubicon.

Shalom,
Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Revo Uninstaller Pro 50% OFF

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 06, 2011, 10:09 AM »

Hi,

I think the real-time stuff was Revo's method of doing what Total Install is famous for.  Probably implemented very well in Revo.  I simply find that type of monitoring too heavy as well.

Incidentally, one thing I question in Revo.  The stuff you are deleting by hand (the extra registry entrys and paths) is in bold, but it looks like the program will let you delete more by putting the check in a higher level box. Personally, I think this higher level box should be grayed out, as it would be easy for a non-techie to delete more than they want.  Anybody else notice this ?  I should ask Revo.  (I never tested this.)

Steven

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Living Room / Re: screen pics to DonationCoder forum (trying zScreen)

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 06, 2011, 10:05 AM »

Unfortunately, the correct way to do it is to download the file to your pc, then attach it as an upload when you post. It might be nicer if we implemented a feature that would ask the forum to automatically grab the image from the remote site and save it as a file attachment on the dc server, but that currently does not exist.

-mouser (September 06, 2011, 09:07 AM)

As I indicate above, the difference is minor, after testing.  More conceptual. It is nice to throw a pic on the web and let it give you a url, but your upload mechanism is very simple too once you get the hang of it.

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Living Room / Re: screen pics to DonationCoder forum (trying zScreen)

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 06, 2011, 09:33 AM »

Hi,

Now I am going to test a similar ListPro pic to the one on the other thread, using an upload.



Ok, that works identically well, just takes a bit longer to do the two-step.
That is using
attachimg=n = "inline fullsize attachment"
The scroll bar is only at the bottom of the post, I guess since it is widening the whole body. In this case I used a wide-angle lens.  So one trick, if the scroll bar is important, let the pic be its own post.

For some purposes a smaller one might be better.  We might want to have a sample post that shows Thumb, Display Attachment etc.  (if we do not have one handy).

I see that the type of pic I did before (my post right above, when I was playing) starts off small, but when you mouse-click it then it becomes the same as this one.  So that has its nice elements too.  However, that was simply a direct outside web url, which we want to avoid.

mouser, I realize screenshot captor might do a lot of this stuff nicer than zScreen !  However, zScreen is surprisingly neat for what it does.  I have not done real comparisons.

From post #57 of the thread given by Mouser below:

MatthewSchenker
....  May I make some suggestions?
        > "inline display attachment" - fine the way it is
        > "inline fullsize attachment" - fine the way it is
        > "inline thumb attachment" - fine the way it is
        > "inline noimage attachment" - should instead be "inline attachment from URL"
        > "inline noimage attachment (no details)" - should instead be "inline link to attached file"

Even in that superb thread, it takes a little time to figger out what is what with the five options.  Six if you include the direct web url I tried above that we want to avoid .

The first 3 options look similar, identical methodology, simply changing the display mode. 
I'm still puzzling out the bottom two.

Steven

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Living Room / Re: screen pics to DonationCoder forum (trying zScreen)

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 06, 2011, 09:01 AM »

Hi,

If I have the url of the remote site, could you remind me of how to make that transferred over to DC ?

In this case I have :

http://img850.images...hot2011090607423.png

Which can be put inside an IMG tag and thus go to imageshack.
What is the process for having that on the DC server.
(Apologies if this is a trivial question that I learned a dozen times before.)

When I go to "Attach" it immediately starts wanting to browse my disk.

My goal here is to avoid downloading the pic, naming it and then uploading from disk, granted that does not take too long. and if that is the way, will do.

Steven

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Living Room / screen pics to DonationCoder forum (trying zScreen)

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 06, 2011, 08:15 AM »

Hi Folks,

I used to struggle with this picture thing to a forum a bit, especially if the pic was on my drive. 

On this thread :
https://www.donation...ex.php?topic=27802.0

I tried zScreen,
http://code.google.com/p/zscreen/

A quite robust freeware, open source, which has built-in uploads to ImageShack and some alternatives. Note, it does use Net 2.0, most of us have that in the innards of our puters already.

The whole setup and learning was just a few minutes. And I was quite pleased. Very intuitive.

Now I know there are many alternatives, I tried Jing a while back. So far, for the basic cropped pic to a public website with the url immediately available without bureaucracy, zScreen is very impressive.   (A lot of times open source projects are sparse on interface and configuration, yet zScreen is very robust.)

Do we have a preference on .png vs. .jpg or anything else?

Do we have a preference as to the pic being on a remote server or being uploaded to the DonationCoder server.  I guess theoretically, given the right Donationcoder wording, the forum could automatically download such pictures with an automated bot, if we want to be sure of longer longevity. 

Or perhaps there is a way to make the transition manually when we do the pic.  However, that would only be if it were a DonationCoder preference to serve its own pancakes.

Shalom,
Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: Flexible List (data) Management - ListPro and the Alternatives

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 06, 2011, 07:08 AM »

Hi,

All the edgy products are good here.  TreeSheets, InfoQube, RightNote, ListPro and alternatives to each come to mind.

ListPro is the immediate thread focus but there is lots of overlap.  e.g. RightNote has both spreadsheets and tables as a built-in feature, so it has more capability for lists than many note-takers.

Right now I am oriented to RightNote (apparently screen pic but no web clipping) and ListPro .. and thinking about WebClippers like Metaproducts Inquiry .. or waiting a while for the new features in Linkman.  This is a factor because some forum pages where I do original research vanish. (That is why I was searching for a Bulletin Board editor that works in font mode, rather than code mode.)

Also oriented toward programming database tools, playing with Magic, and WinDev particularly.  However that is partly because of my iSeries stuff.  I used to like Alpha4, but at the moment no one database tool strikes me as elegant and easy.

That is why the rinky-dink Avanquest tool Database Professional might actually be very good, especially if it is an active product (see my questions, like whether it holds hot links).  Much as I avoid Avanquest normally as a product-gulper.

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The incredible donationcoder scroll bar does allow part of the field with the url-clickable to be seen on the pic. 

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: Flexible List (data) Management - ListPro and the Alternatives

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 06, 2011, 06:52 AM »

Hi Paul,

It probably has to do with public/private areas within ImageShack.  
I'll look into it.

ok.. I tried the "make public" tag.
Let me know how it goes.

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Then the question is whether DonationCoder prefers the image on the net (will the account be there in x years ?) or prefer it somehow downloaded ?

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: Flexible List (data) Management - ListPro and the Alternatives

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 06, 2011, 06:45 AM »

Hi Paul,

Here is a pic I took of my ListPro. Remember that I had a hard time uploading from my disk, I am trying zScreen and ImageShack (all free).

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Notice how there are different headings and user-defined types of fields and they can be modified very quickly.
Somehow I did not get the part of the page that shows the URL .. a very important feature.

Everything is easy with ListPro.

a) design (and modification)
b) navigation (except for the lack of tabs)
c) data entry
d) sorting (any field)
e) searching (although I have not used that much)

It seems like there is a limit of 30 fields in a "List" .. a table. Which is generally more than sufficient for these types of purposes.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: Flexible List (data) Management - ListPro and the Alternatives

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 06, 2011, 12:53 AM »

Hi Folks,

I recommend DataBase Professional by Avanquest (formerly Elibrium),

-sword (September 03, 2011, 02:19 PM)

You mention tabbed, so many they still enhance this ?  That would be a good sign, although surprising.

Alpha 4 and DataEase and archaic products theoretically could be pretty good, but they either perspired or were replaced with confusing Windows event-driven stuff. However, the environment of the programs tends to get in the way of ease of use (ListPro simple explorer folder type setup for dozens of lists.)

If there is a play or trial mode I might play with it.  It has to hold the hot-links in a special field too, (or recognize the syntax as linkable) one of the ListPro niceties that is 100% needed. e.g. I have a list of current forum posts throughout the net to check, and one of the fields is the url.

Overall, I remain quite happy with ListPro, although the printing is a bit unflexible, when you go to "print to HTML" (what I call it when you export to a HTML file) you can define fields.  However you cannot save the setup.

So far, though my daily use is mostly online access.

Shalom,
Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Revo Uninstaller Pro 50% OFF

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 06, 2011, 12:44 AM »

Have read the threads on Revo here on DC, wondering what's the current verdict on buying the pro version vs the freeware. For an 'obsessive' downloader is the pro recommended?

-rgdot (September 05, 2011, 10:04 PM)

Check the possibility that it is needed for native Windows 7 apps. Last I checked, for normal use on XP, the regular seems to be exceedingly strong, so that there is little incentive (other than supporting a good company) to go paid.  However the 64-bit issue looked significant, if that is your puter.

Shalom,
Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Don't miss the excellent Metaproducts Inquiry today (Sept 1st) on GOTD

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 05, 2011, 08:21 PM »

Hi,

When I wrote that about turning off the program, I was going by a comment on the Bits. However, I have noticed un-intuitive aspects.

I see new pages coming up (clearly Auto-Save) and I hit the button (Tools-AutoSave Mode) to turn it off and it tells me to hit the button again to turn it off.  Which makes little sense and does not work in the obvious way.

"To Stop Saving the Pages, Click the Auto-Save Button Again"

Which leads to long hour-glasses and no clear idea whether I am currently on or off.

I'm also looking to see why I don't have a Firefox extension installed, and what to do about it.

Shalom,
Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: Flexible List (data) Management - ListPro and the Alternatives

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 01, 2011, 11:28 PM »

Hi,

I think ListPro is the best of the simple list programs,

-johnk (August 31, 2011, 11:33 AM)

It is impressive.  All my coupons, or accounts, or serial # or domains, or even things like an informal auto expense log with where the car and category is defined by you etc.  The fact is you can tweak design (e.g. add fields) while you do quick data entry in a way that I have not seen before.  A lot of the stuff like categories and key strokes are well designed. They probably won't enhance the windows version much (e.g. tabs, better printing, forum discussion) because of energy on mobile stuff.  Still, I am very impressed. And the expense, even without a discount, is a no-brainer.

Steven