Author Topic: Firefox 29 - soooooo similar to Chrome (Read 27624 times)

dr_andus · « **Reply #25 on:** May 02, 2014, 06:08 AM »

No matter what I do, the header with the bookmarks toolbar always takes up more space (height) in FFrome than in Chrome. Is that because I'm using a Classic theme in Windows, rather than Aero? I wish they had copied Chrome a bit better

TaoPhoenix · « **Reply #26 on:** May 02, 2014, 11:43 AM »

I don't think the global Windows theme is at work here, I think it's the "Title Bar" that's making you grumpy.

I tried out the Hide Caption Titlebar Plus 2.8.2 plugin here:
https://addons.mozil...n-titlebar-plus-sma/

Then you go into its options and try the following settings (different from how they start).

Firefox 29 - soooooo similar to Chrome

Though the orange button reappears, it's pretty close vertical space wise. I get:

Firefox 29 - soooooo similar to Chrome

TaoPhoenix · « **Reply #27 on:** May 02, 2014, 12:05 PM »

Incidentally, using the Classic Theme Restorer, I managed to bludgeon back all the junk and my FF is actually usable again. With a bit of work, the important "top left" is back to old school style complete with menubar. But the funny thing is "if I get nostalgic" I have both the "Firefox button" and the new "Hamburger button", both of which have *different* subsets of the complete features laid out in the old school menus!

Sounds like a play question for you logic types, if you take 7 menus with 11+8+6+5+8+8+9=55 visible features/menus and try either of two attempts to smush it into 18 or 12, then stuff you used to know where to find gets harder! But I guess peoples "usability studies" decides that all those menus were "too hard" or something. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in modern UI a "menu" (by any other name) can't be avoided. It's just whether it says "File", or "Firefox" or ("Hamburger Icon") or ("Sprocket").

dr_andus · « **Reply #28 on:** May 02, 2014, 12:14 PM »

I don't think the global Windows theme is at work here, I think it's the "Title Bar" that's making you grumpy.

I tried out the Hide Caption Titlebar Plus 2.8.2 plugin here:
https://addons.mozil...n-titlebar-plus-sma/
-TaoPhoenix (May 02, 2014, 11:43 AM)

Great, thanks for that! It narrowed Chrome's advantage down to about 1 pixel, which I can live with

TaoPhoenix · « **Reply #29 on:** May 02, 2014, 12:17 PM »

Great, thanks for that! It narrowed Chrome's advantage down to about 1 pixel, which I can live with
-dr_andus (May 02, 2014, 12:14 PM)

You bet! Hehe "All the goodness of Firefox for one pixel!" (End used car salesman voice)

app103 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 02, 2014, 02:47 PM »

For those wanting to get Surfulater integration working with Pale Moon, you can download the Surfulater xpi, here.

dr_andus · « **Reply #31 on:** May 02, 2014, 04:45 PM »

Great, thanks for that! It narrowed Chrome's advantage down to about 1 pixel, which I can live with
-dr_andus (May 02, 2014, 12:14 PM)

You bet! Hehe "All the goodness of Firefox for one pixel!" (End used car salesman voice)
-TaoPhoenix (May 02, 2014, 12:17 PM)

Actually I'd missed some of the finer options the first time. Now FF is leading by 24px, and it's even possible to get rid of the orange button.

40hz · « **Reply #32 on:** May 02, 2014, 06:30 PM »

It is kinda sad...

Must be frustrating to see the bigwigs in other nominally "open" software projects cashing out for mega while you're proctoring the other "most popular" browser ever coded - and living off voluntary contributions.

I guess the folks over at Mozilla finally saw enough "morons with an entourage" getting the big bucks for crappy interface design and decided it was high time they "got some" too.
$:-\$

app103 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 02, 2014, 07:16 PM »

It is kinda sad...

Must be frustrating to see the bigwigs in other nominally "open" software projects cashing out for mega while you're proctoring the other "most popular" browser ever coded - and living off voluntary contributions.

I guess the folks over at Mozilla finally saw enough "morons with an entourage" getting the big bucks for crappy interface design and decided it was high time they "got some" too.
$:-\$
-40hz (May 02, 2014, 06:30 PM)

But what will they do if Pale Moon now starts getting the big bucks because of their changes? That would be some painful irony.

cyberdiva · « **Reply #34 on:** May 03, 2014, 01:10 PM »

For those wanting to get Surfulater integration working with Pale Moon, you can download the Surfulater xpi, here.
-app103 (May 02, 2014, 02:47 PM)

Hmmm...I've had Surfulater working with Pale Moon for at least a year.

app103 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 04, 2014, 03:46 AM »

For those wanting to get Surfulater integration working with Pale Moon, you can download the Surfulater xpi, here.
-app103 (May 02, 2014, 02:47 PM)
Hmmm...I've had Surfulater working with Pale Moon for at least a year.
-cyberdiva (May 03, 2014, 01:10 PM)

Some of us haven't been using Pale Moon for a year.

tomos · « **Reply #36 on:** May 04, 2014, 11:33 AM »

I'm just after getting 29 now on my laptop (Windows 8.1).
Especially on a laptop with 'basic' resolution (1366 x 768), the vertical space is very valuable. From that pov, I'm happy with anything that'll help - saying that, I dont see any improvement here.

it actually loses me around 10 pixels in the height department by my reckoning - with just address bar + a few buttons showing on both versions. I removed the large adblock and duckduckgo buttons to be sure they werent fully to blame - they brought it up to a 17 pixel difference (adblock was in statusbar in older screenshot)
in spite of removing the Firefox logo on the left, it doesnt show any more tabs than before

... reckon I'll have to go install that addon

CleverCat · « **Reply #37 on:** May 06, 2014, 05:11 AM »

Classic Theme Restorer got me back on track!

Yes - I must have my Cat

40hz · « **Reply #38 on:** May 06, 2014, 02:11 PM »

Yes - I must have my Cat
-CleverCat (May 06, 2014, 05:11 AM)

Speaking of which it's nice to see you posting again CC!

jpfx · « **Reply #39 on:** May 06, 2014, 03:43 PM »

I had a short sojourn with chrome while mozilla sorted themselves out a month or so ago.
I was glad to get back to FF to be honest but v29 saw me switching to pale moon as fast as I could.
seems strange that mozilla dumped a metroUI version of FF only to foist the dregs on everyones desktop version.
(I have tried through several devices but RT really is a crock of pooh)

dr_andus · « **Reply #40 on:** May 07, 2014, 05:08 AM »

I started having the same problems with FF 29 as I used to with Pale Moon and Waterfox, i.e. occasionally not being able to complete some purchase transactions within certain e-commerce sites. It would come to clicking the button "pay", and nothing happens, which is hugely frustrating, especially when you're trying to book flights and risk losing a particular fare that is selling out.

In those situations FF used to be my "go to" solution, but this time I had to repeat the transaction in Chrome, and it worked fine. I don't know whether this is only affecting my system, but at least in my world Chrome is emerging as the more reliable browser, despite my best efforts to resist and stick with FF.

lanux128 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 07, 2014, 07:02 AM »

this is relevant.

Spoiler

tomos · « **Reply #42 on:** May 07, 2014, 01:35 PM »

^lol

I started having the same problems with FF 29 as I used to with Pale Moon and Waterfox, i.e. occasionally not being able to complete some purchase transactions within certain e-commerce sites. It would come to clicking the button "pay", and nothing happens, which is hugely frustrating, especially when you're trying to book flights and risk losing a particular fare that is selling out.
-dr_andus (May 07, 2014, 05:08 AM)

I had problems, on a few occasions, a couple of months ago (with Ryanair), but I presumed it was the site/payment system - rather than the browser $:-\$
Be interesting to see if it continues okay for you with Chrome.

jpfx · « **Reply #43 on:** May 07, 2014, 03:46 PM »

similar problems also but I put them down to admuncher or ghostery.
sometimes switch to an IE engine in FF works, others it's full IE.

dr_andus · « **Reply #44 on:** May 08, 2014, 03:42 AM »

similar problems also but I put them down to admuncher or ghostery.
-jpfx (May 07, 2014, 03:46 PM)

Yes, just ran into this problem again this morning and it turns out it was a problem with Adblock Plus for me, too. Sorry FF. (Although I do use the AdBlock extension on Chrome too, and that one let me through).

bit · « **Reply #45 on:** May 11, 2014, 12:46 AM »

Classic Theme Restorer got me back on track!

Yes - I must have my Cat
(see attachment in previous post)
-CleverCat (May 06, 2014, 05:11 AM)

Same here. Tnx 1000x, w/o your post I would not have known how to undo some Firefox 29 programmer's delusion that I wanted my Firefox UI rearranged.

BTW, AFAIC the only thing 'fast' about Chrome is how fast I switched back to FF when I found out there's no easy way to set the background color in Chrome the way there is with FF.

CleverCat · « **Reply #46 on:** May 12, 2014, 04:03 AM »

similar problems also but I put them down to admuncher or ghostery.
sometimes switch to an IE engine in FF works, others it's full IE.
-jpfx (May 07, 2014, 03:46 PM)

Love the Signature! Did you make it?

CleverCat · « **Reply #47 on:** May 12, 2014, 04:04 AM »

Yes - I must have my Cat
-CleverCat (May 06, 2014, 05:11 AM)

Speaking of which it's nice to see you posting again CC!
-40hz (May 06, 2014, 02:11 PM)

Thanks - seem to be distracted by 'other things' recently!