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Couldn't bound files be used that way?

We'll see.  I'm going to try it out and see if I like it.  It really depends on how well it works with git.  I've changed the location of the files to my git repo, so I have the database and the individual files in the same repo.  I'll see how it works out.
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WM2 has a toggle that you can switch to using a repository.  But it's not inbuilt into the way that it handles files by default in WM2 as it is in WM3.  I never used that feature, nor was it forced on me.

The vast majority of even the most textish programs for writers work with a database. Keeps easy access to fragments, versions, chapters and scenes, characters, research etc. Even MS Word has effectively switched to that with 365 or OneDrive. For those that store separate files, it is generally easier to think of those as backups.

The WM developer seems to have developed WM to support his own writing & says he has done all his writing in WM3 for years. There were programming reasons for the switch to WM3, but I suspect that the change to database + bound files was because it worked much better for him as a writer. I'd concur. It makes it much more attractive to me for substantial use.


While that might be true, in totally changing it so that you can't just work with unbound text files, he's forcing the users into his workflow though.  Which is, in the end totally fine- there are several others who do the same (Atomic Scribbler for one).  But I'm tied to my workflow, which works for me, and makes it so that I don't have to deal with my data being tied up in someone else's idea of what the process should be.  I like using an external previewer for my markdown, and have it so that prowritingaid looks at the output for that preview, all spread out over my computers and monitors.  This doesn't allow that. 

Seeing that he gives you the option of binding to the local text file, I might try it to see if it works- WM was my choice when I wanted to just crank out some prose distraction free, and didn't want the hassle of dealing with a project as I do in Sublime.  It might still work in that fashion, but if not, I still have WM2, and updates don't really matter to me as long as it works.
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How about some sort of plain text type wiki system?

I've never really liked wikis. I tend to think of them as a database type solution using a single long text document. But they do tick all the required boxes.
They don't have to be one text document.  In fact, the one that I linked uses separate documents.


WM2 doesn't involve the use of anything other than the files.  There are no supporting files stored on your system.  That's the difference.

Where are the repository and backups and history kept if it's a files only program?


It has a toggle that you can switch to using a repository.  But it's not inbuilt into the way that it handles files by default in WM2 as it is in WM3.  I never used that feature, nor was it forced on me.
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How about some sort of plain text type wiki system?  Ema Personal Wiki (https://jwbs-blog.bl...for-android-and.html) allows you to use it for the wiki functionality and work on plain text files.  I work on my wiki outside of the browsing system at times (because the editor is pretty old, and I like to use sublime), but it is very easy to create the links even in a plain text editor.  It's open source, so when I get the time, I was going to add an option to use the editor of your choice instead of the internal editor.
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From the WM2 documentation
STANDARD AND CLEAN TEXT FORMAT
For maximum portability your work is stored in standard text files. Writemonkey is fully UTF-8 compatible and will recognize virtually all international characters. Supports other encoding standards ‒ Unicode, ANSII …
They can make the same claim in WM3. It's a plain text database.

WM2 doesn't involve the use of anything other than the files.  There are no supporting files stored on your system.  That's the difference.  And it might be plain text, but that's pushing it.  It's JSON, and definitely not what one thinks of when one says plain text.

However you do it, there are potential problems unless you simply want standalone files and rely on file management tools. But many people want the advantages that can be got from a database solution: eg text search, linking, tagging.

The WM3 file binding feature means that you can have both at the same time.
And the database can be read as text.

You can do the same thing still keeping text files.  This is just how they've chosen to do it.  It's an approach and a design decision- it's not the only approach to solving that problem.
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What do you mean a bound file?  It's a text file on disk.  How is that bound?

Their terminology, not mine.
My interpretation is that it's simply synchronising the database copy with the file copy. Doesn't impact editing the file using other programs.

On the basis of your video, my guess is that both versions do this in similar ways, although the details of the implementation vary. But know nothing of V2 since I started with V3.

The advantage of the method is that you have two copies of the file - one in the database, one as the file. Each copy can be worked on separately, but will be synchronised when WriteMonkey is active unless you turn the linking off.

This is not how it's working in WM2.  Check my post that I updated, i.e. from http://www.writemonkey.com/features.php

STANDARD AND CLEAN TEXT FORMAT
For maximum portability your work is stored in standard text files. Writemonkey is fully UTF-8 compatible and will recognize virtually all international characters. Supports other encoding standards ‒ Unicode, ANSII …

I really don't like this direction, personally.


I find it interesting that plain text / markdown solutions like Zettlr keep the files in a database.
WriteMonkey is the same (though documents can be bound to a file).
When I look at WM3 it seems to have all the features required for a zettelkasten, but I've never seen it mentioned in that context. Though it's very rarely mentioned in lists of markdown editors either.

I'm noticing that different types of notes may have different and predictable structures. Vacillating between using templates and autotext insert.
what do you mean by this?  zettlr keeps the files just regular text files in whatever folder you like.  you just open the file or folder.  it has a database maybe for the program itself, but the files are all text files.  the only thing the program seems to do is look for the ID somewhere in the filename or actual file itself.  Is that what you are thinking too?

I think we're finally getting on the same page- a lot had to do with the fact that I'm using WM2.  WM3 actually *does* store its files in a database located in (on Windows) c:\Users\[user]\AppData\Local\Writemonkey 3\writemonkey3_sheets.  It can sync with a local file, but it defaults to just storing everything there.

Which to me, is counterintuitive for a 'plain text' writing solution, and creates issues like this one:

https://github.com/w...onkey/wm3/issues/161

Store locally, operate on that file.  It doesn't matter where the file is, if you just store it as plain text.
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What do you mean a bound file?  It's a text file on disk.  How is that bound?

And if that's the direction that they're going with V3, I'm glad I haven't upgraded.

https://github.com/w...king-with-text-files

From the definition of a bound file in this particular part of the documentation for wm3, this is not a bound file.  It is opening a local file.  It is not stored in a database- this is a new thing in WM3.

From the WM2 documentation

STANDARD AND CLEAN TEXT FORMAT
For maximum portability your work is stored in standard text files. Writemonkey is fully UTF-8 compatible and will recognize virtually all international characters. Supports other encoding standards ‒ Unicode, ANSII …
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there must be an option to open local files
It will open (and save) files. Most opening methods bind the files, but some don't.
And I guess that was my point.  It's an option, not a requirement.
I may have to recant. I can't actually find a way to open a file without it being bound into the database.
You can unbind the file - but that simply discards the link.
You can always edit the bound file with another program - but Writemonkey will give you an alert dialog when you try to open it again.

Text files can also be dragged into repository. New item with file's text is created but there is no link between the file and repository item.
I tried this and it was just a text copy in the repository.

So, afaics, Writemonkey works only on what is in its database. Open and save a file might look like a local file operation, but it isn't: it's importing to the database, binding the file and then saving the bound copy from the database.


I'm using it that way currently. I wasn't going off what you were saying.

In order to show this, I'm uploading a short video.  I figure that will explain what I'm saying better than words at this point.

https://my.pcloud.co...vEyKuqpsjz4nQJUkq5PX

(I tried uploading it to the forum, but it seems to act strangely when I do, redirecting to a blank page after the upload is complete, so excuse the pcloud link for it)
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there must be an option to open local files
It will open (and save) files. Most opening methods bind the files, but some don't.

And I guess that was my point.  It's an option, not a requirement.
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Like I said, I've never used it that way, even on WM2.  So there must be an option to open local files.
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WriteMonkey is the same (though documents can be bound to a file).

It is?  I've never used it that way.  I always work on local files.  This is the first that I've heard of that.
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N.A.N.Y. 2020 / Re: N.A.N.Y. 2020: Xaya Name Utility
« Last post by wraith808 on November 08, 2019, 01:47 PM »
Good to see you pop up again, Renegade!  :Thmbsup:
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ok some more updates....
this is the developer of zettlr, and a nice video explaining some of the methodology and what dormouse talked about regarding luhman's original system and how technology affects it.
https://www.youtube..../watch?v=c5Tst3-zcWI

I watched that video, and came away with the fact that it seems to be a wiki with tags, where the name of the file is the ID.  Is there something more than that I'm missing?
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General Software Discussion / Re: Hosting photos on your own site
« Last post by wraith808 on November 01, 2019, 09:50 AM »
jAlbum - was free, now looks to be paid - did have a link to the last free version here, looks like it's gone.

v9.6.1 looks to have been the last free version.

Untested download link (Software Informer), (VT analysis).

Those was the one that I was thinking about when I wroyethis, but thanks for the other suggestions!
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General Software Discussion / Hosting photos on your own site
« Last post by wraith808 on October 31, 2019, 10:33 PM »
There was a piece of software that was very easy to install on your website, and very easy to make galleries of photos for viewers to see that I used in the past- but I can't remember the name of it.  People here have used it- there's a free version and a paid version.  I know I'm not giving much to go off of here, but I just don't remember anything other than it was very easy to set up and I need something like that right now.

Does anyone recall any software that would let you host photo galleries easy on your own site?
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Living Room / Re: Cooking with tourettes
« Last post by wraith808 on October 31, 2019, 07:42 AM »
also a caution for anyone watching- it's nsfw for language.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive
« Last post by wraith808 on October 31, 2019, 07:39 AM »
Well, if I had another client that would actually use that format, then I suppose nothing would have been.  But moving to something else that doesn't do the same...  Not vendor locked is not the same thing as usable in another platform.  There's also the matter of the time spent color coding the types of files/folders.
I get that.

I restricted myself to the filename approach because I could access them by file search on any platform. I'm trying to avoid dependence on any particular software. Haven't reached the tagging stage yet, so I'm free to change my mind. SetTags is the only other one I know that uses filenames, though I expected there would be others. Can't say I've taken to TagSpaces or SetTags. I did consider simply using Bulk Rename and manage the tags manually.



With you re-starting this conversation around tagspaces, I tried it again.  Still the empty folder problem.  So I deleted my installation and then used a new zip.  It started working!  For how long, I don't know.  But it could have just been user error, though nowhere on the site do they say don't overwrite when you're upgrading.  I noticed that the interface is a lot spiffier than it was when I used it before, so perhaps that change was enough to make it a breaking change?
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive
« Last post by wraith808 on October 30, 2019, 10:24 PM »
I lost a lot of the work I'd done organizing with it when I had to switch, so that was a bummer.  Just something to watch out for.

If it saves tags in the filename, what got lost?



Well, if I had another client that would actually use that format, then I suppose nothing would have been.  But moving to something else that doesn't do the same...  Not vendor locked is not the same thing as usable in another platform.  There's also the matter of the time spent color coding the types of files/folders.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive
« Last post by wraith808 on October 30, 2019, 11:05 AM »
- More fun things to do with file reader output : if you put a special character (not above the number key but like zz), after the "regular" part of the file name and before all your tag-y things, then you can import that directory output into Excel, and chop it up into sections and then your notes can reference the fragment of the file name.

The idea of using special characters to distinguish the tag section and individuate tags in filenames is used by the TagSpaces application, https://docs.tagspac...g-based-on-filenames . I remember trying it very long ago but might go and have another look at it now, as it seems to be actively developed.

I stopped using tagspaces.  Many times I have a blank screen; there's something in their electron application that fails at times- at least for me.  I even reinstalled and the problem was there.  I rebooted, tried again, and it worked for a bit, but stopped again after a short time.  I lost a lot of the work I'd done organizing with it when I had to switch, so that was a bummer.  Just something to watch out for.
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Who knows... I see new features appearing all the time.  Nothing yet that I don't like, thankfully
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive
« Last post by wraith808 on October 28, 2019, 11:39 AM »
The only reason that I use anything other than just plain text is scraping web sources.  I've been thinking about doing something to extract plain text from web pages (sort of like the simplified version of the Evernote clipping extension)
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General Software Discussion / Re: Best reliable freeware download sites?
« Last post by wraith808 on October 27, 2019, 09:33 PM »
WindowsRemix:
https://www.windowsremix.com/software
This looks like an alternative to Ninite (and  Chocolatey) for those who are installing on multiple machines.  Slant has a little review of the site, and likes the idea that it is doable simply from the browser.  Oh, this actually uses Chocolatey.



I didn't notice this before... pretty cool!  I compared it to running Chocolatey manually, and it appears that it's just a click-once wrapper around the command line commands.
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One thing Vivaldi has the option for, and I believe Firefox as well, is the idea of "lazy loading" tabs. That is, when opening the browser, it will restore all your tabs, but it won't actually load them until the first time you switch to them. This saves RAM and CPU, etc. And I don't think Brave does this. It seems to just load all the tabs as soon as possible.

I've noticed several times when recovering a session after a reboot, the tabs will have the loading icon until I explicitly click on them.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive
« Last post by wraith808 on October 24, 2019, 12:47 PM »
I still have that software that he recommended, though I never used it.  You can download it from https://my.pcloud.co...r8p1D6MB3vTP9h4vwa9X.  I don't have the installer, but it runs after installing Java Runtime.
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