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General Software Discussion / Sticky Notes - Online Stickies
« Last post by Steven Avery on June 05, 2009, 07:12 AM »
Hi Folks,

Simple Notes Organizer added to freeware list. And Exstora url.

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Online Stickies.

JJot
http://jjot.com/
"Jjot helps you take online notes Think of it as online sticky notes. They're simple, fast, and you can access them from any computer."

Sticky Notes Online
http://www.sharpra.com/notes.aspx
e.g. Gadget for Google Desktop
http://desktop.googl.../sno_info.html?hl=en

Diigo
http://www.diigo.com/

Diigo: Web Highlighter and Sticky Notes 3.1.6.13 (Firefox Extension)
https://addons.mozil...S/firefox/addon/2792

This opens up a whole new area that probably has many other programs. Just wanted to touch base, not to forget the area.  

Shalom,
Steven Avery
827
Hi Folks,

ShirusPad has a lot of fans on the net, even with the dormant 2005 version.

Here are some of the main players in the commercial note area .. the five after NoteZilla have freeware softwares.

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NoteZilla - $30   
http://www.conceptworld.com/NoteZilla/

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Dynamic Notes $17 and Power Notes $22 - PowerSoft (Freebie Notes)
http://www.pw-soft.c...ick-notes/index.html
Comparison
http://www.pw-soft.c...top-notes/index.html

NotesPP - Notes Plus Plus - $20
Sticker - $15
Secure Reminder - $25
(MoRUN has 2 freewares - these are current prices after a discount)
http://www.morun.net/

NotesHolder Pro - $20
http://notes.aklabs.com/

NetNote Server (Client is free and can be used standalone)
http://www.alshare.com/purchase.html  - (up to 5 $75)

Exstora Pro  (PIM with Sticky Notes feature) $16
http://www.exstora.c...manager-exstora.html

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TurboNote+ - $30
http://turbonote.com/

Magic Notes - $15
http://www.magicnotes.com/
Forum
http://www.magicnotes.com/forum/

Desktop Notes - $15
http://www.intelore....om/desktop_notes.php

Desktop 3D-Notes - $30
http://www.desktop-it-notes.com/

Stickypad - $5 (uses .Net)
http://www.kamban.com.au/stickypad.html

Post-it Digital Notes - $20
http://www.3m.com/us...l/digital_notes.html
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Cute Reminder - $30
http://www.cutereminder.com/

Note Wonder - $30
http://www.ariesoft...._wonder_overview.htm
http://www.forty.com/

e-Ticky - $14
http://www.freewebs.com/eticky/

Shalom,
Steven Avery
828
Hi Folks,

HyperSnap is a really kewl program, I tried it during the last Bits special and in the "8 Old Comments" notes you can see my discussion with Greg about the "text capture" feature.  They have a very solid support forum as well.

I also didn't catch Bits yesterday so I just wrote Greg and asked if there might be a one-day extension we could announce here (or privately by email word-of-mouth). That is reasonably common with Bits authors, if they can set up the mechanism.  

Shalom,
Steven Avery
829
General Software Discussion / Re: Sticky Notes - Freeware Roundup
« Last post by Steven Avery on June 04, 2009, 05:46 PM »
Hi Folks,

Thanks muntealb.  PNote is actually a major player, with a webforum and the open source aspect and portableapss aspects and I am adding it above.  When an Aussie site looked for the six best they included it along with others that we put near the top.

The Free Software Store
http://www.ausmall.c...oft/sticky_notes.php

Stickies, PNotes, PrestoNotes, NetNote Client, iQ-Notes and NoteIt (Veign) are referenced.

Shalom,
Steven
830
General Software Discussion / Re: Sticky Notes - Freeware Roundup
« Last post by Steven Avery on June 04, 2009, 06:36 AM »
Hi Folks,

Thanks. Changes above duly made.

Added Stickypaper.  (or is that ricepaper ?  or stickyrice ? )

Notesholder given right name. NetNote is higher up, different company.  Those are two of the more interesting of the group.  The section is so packed that it is hard to find the ones that have special features and utility.

There are cases where the line between a general simple note program and an official "Sticky Note" program is thin.  Any program that allows for light and quick notetaking and storage and remembrance can be considered in the roundup, however I tried to find the ones that either looked like Sticky Notes in a picture or used the metaphor for their software.

Including the browser url from the clipboard is interesting.  Is it getting the last focused screen page ? If so you would have to be careful not to open a new page before clipping to NotesHolder.  Any other strong features come to mind ?

Shalom,
Steven Avery
831
Hi Folks,

The goal is super-solid calendar and reminder functionality, in one database. (extractable sub-calendars .. ie. overlays).  Generally the PIM's fall a little short, most are weak on ToDo groups and categories and priorities (limiting the ability to create alternate calendars from one database) while ToDos are stronger starting possibility, since groups and priorities can be in their native function. Similarly note programs, while possibly strong on reminders, are weak on both the calendar and grouping/category/priority concepts.

   And database-style programs take a lot of effort to get from point A to Z, although if they have built in reminder/calendar capabilities .. they remain possible. That is why I wondered about InfoQube and UltraRecall, as mid-way tries.  (Database style with functionality built-in.)

  For the pure database programs .. Alpha and Filemaker and WinDev .. also Magic and Clarion .. you would have to be working with a developed app, or build it yourself owning the software license. My interests would be, in order, WinDev, Alpha, Magic .. other.  One advantage (?) there is that you could build your own app.

 Thus, ToDos may be the natural starting point, work from ToDo to Calendar and Reminder.  MLO is definitely a possibility.  Similarly Agenda At Once, I will give a look-see. ToDoList is a fine program, I should check if the calendar plugin really can maintain the variable calendar flexibilities that I seek. Can any of those give the full integration ?

  Calendar - multi-viewed overlay
  Reminder
  ToDo - as the source info for the above

  If they also handle Contacts, so much the better, but minor. As I have no PIM -contact manager these days, using instead my "pseudo-PIM" (Linkman bookmarks). Other functions are more far afield, notes and sticky notes and web snippets.

  Dormouse, space on the calendar is fine by me.  This is meant to be event-driven, not schedule creation.  There can be three events at the same time, or none for a week.

 Not sure what is the IQ reference.  There is the IQ-notes of Paresi ? However, whatever the reference,  Outlook is not my tea.  Sunbird and extensions I would be  check out if it has some pizazz.

  Right now my three tries for full-fledged calendar/reminder :
 
 My Life Organized - (if calendar views and prints are sufficient)
 Agenda At Once  
 ToDoList - (depending on plug-in functionality)

  What program can really go from ToDo to full calendar overlay functionality ?  Perhaps one of these.  Any other suggestions are welcome.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
832
General Software Discussion / Sticky Notes - Freeware Roundup
« Last post by Steven Avery on June 04, 2009, 02:05 AM »
Hi Folks,

  From the recent threads and the NoteZilla review we have seen that two products understandably generate the most interest.

NoteZilla - ConceptWorld - Shareware
http://www.conceptworld.com/NoteZilla/

Stickies  - Zhorn - Freeware
http://www.zhornsoftware.co.uk/stickies/

Yet there are many others to consider. First, the freeware. However, most of these freeware products do not have what I consider the two most significant features  -

1) Auto-See & Auto-Hide (opening programs, documents, webpages)
2) Functional data repository for all the notes (sorting, searching)

Yet, not all might consider these requirements, especially those looking for simple sticky capabilities and little more.  (btw .. what other Note software has these features ?  Perhaps one or two of the other commercial apps ? )

Thus, this post is the freeware review, the listing of currently available with a spot of info and urls.  After chopping out a few for various reasons there were about 20+ that were interesting.

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This site has some pics of a lot of the freeware software.

Free Sticky Notes
http://www.freepims.com/id445.html
(Crawler should be avoided, Desktop 3D Notes is commercial)

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FREEWARE (& Donationware)

PrestoNotes
http://users.telenet...r41007/Overview.html

Note-It - Veign
http://www.veign.com...cation.php?appid=102

Shock Sticker - (Freeware Genius likes this)
http://www.docs.kr/e...cts-Shock-Sticker-en
FreewareGenius
http://www.freewareg...10/01/shock-sticker/

PNotes
http://pnotes.sourceforge.net/

KNot - update of "Akatanomasto" by Cylog -   Kostas Symeonidis
http://www.cylog.org/utilities/knot.jsp

PaperNotes - Open Source
http://www.vbrocks.n...loads/PaperNotes.htm

StickIt - Singer's Creations
http://www.singerscr...ions.com/StickIt.asp
Webforum
http://www.singerscr...ions.com/StickIt.asp

NetNotes6  (server edition is commercial)
http://www.alshare.com/

FreeNote - mgshareware  (toolbar to decline on install)
http://www.mgshareware.com/fnmain.shtml

Hott Notes (updated 2007 - forum active)
http://www.hottnotes.com/
Lifehacker
http://lifehacker.co...otes-with-hott-notes

StickyPad - Green Eclipse (updated 2007)
http://www.greenecli...e.com/stickypad.html

Stickypaper - (from Japan)
http://www.pentacom....cts.html#stickypaper

Scribble-it
http://www.korbeeck....mp;id=4&Itemid=4

Sheer Notes - Solway's Software
http://www.theabsolu...et/sware/#sheernotes

Two Notes - Softjournal
http://www.softjourn...icky_notes/index.php

TK8 Easy Notes
http://www.tk8.com/easynotes/

iQ-Notes
http://www.paresi.net/iqnotes/

Efficient Sticky Notes (related to "Efficient PIM")
http://www.efficient...ynotes.com/index.htm

Simple Sticky Notes - Simnet
http://www.simplestickynotes.com/

Simple Notes Organizer
http://www.newfreedo...Notes-Organizer.html

WireNote (2005) - PIM'ish capabilities
http://www.wiredplan...t-wirenote/about.php

Shirusu Pad (2005)
http://hem.bredband.net/danielc/

Fast Note (2005)
http://software.kirys.it/downloads.php

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COMPANIES WITH FREE AND PAID VERSIONS

Freebie Notes - PowerSoft (Also Dynamic Notes $17 and Power Notes $22)
http://www.pw-soft.c...ick-notes/index.html
Comparison
http://www.pw-soft.c...top-notes/index.html

Stickler Lite    (MoRUN has about five Note softwares, these two are the freewares)
http://www.sticky-notes.net/
Free Sticky Notes
http://www.freestickynotes.com/

NotesHolder - (Pro - $20)
http://notes.aklabs.com/

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Notes: Online stickies are not included here.  Efficient (above) .. a bit of an Essential PIM knockoff .. is the only regular PIM I know that has separately broken out the sticky notes as its own app.

Exstora and Exstora Pro
http://www.exstora.com/
is a PIM application with a sticky note feature and note manager.

Some here might have experiences with these freewares.  The good, the bad and the ugly.  If so .. please share away.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
833
Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: NoteZilla
« Last post by Steven Avery on June 03, 2009, 07:52 PM »
Hi Folks,

Thanks for the extra info Dormouse.

And to be fair, the Stickies equivalent to the MemoBoard is :

Manage Stickies
http://www.zhornsoft....uk/stickies/ss.html

Based on the pic, there is a lack in not having an equivalent to the "Filter Section" and the rows have less info and sorting.  

This is the main sense in which I was considering Stickies "lighter", from the semi-techie database repository perspective. Grouping, categories, searching and sorting of notes. Simply that more heft exists in the NoteZilla repository .. although NoteZilla was not fulfilling all the hopes you would have from the nice addition of user-defined tags. And some sticky programs have no such note repository at all, and we would consider them as non-starters.

Beyond that, clearly both programs have a number of features ahead of the other and others where the implementations could be compared with a more precise scope. (Internal pictures is simply one of these advantages for one program. A nice surprise to see but actual use will vary tremendously.)  I would be interested in knowing how well the open-API has worked with Stickies, what programs have used this utility.

Note that NoteZilla (from my review thoughts) should try to export for calendar, to cross to another program either through the calendar program's API or some type of semi-automated export-import. If NoteZilla is not given more internal calendar-heft.

I have Stickies loaded at work, so I will try to spend a little time to understand the differences more completely. The default skin left me a tad frustrated (that was my second try of the program), a more dedicated try may make me more appreciative of the Stickies software.  It has been interesting also looking at the specs of other programs, e.g. TurboNote+ has a feature where a screen capture can go directly into a note, a feature that would save a few steps in using NoteZilla for screen captures.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
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Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: NoteZilla
« Last post by Steven Avery on June 03, 2009, 12:48 PM »
Hi Folks,

Thanks app103.  Great points up and down the line, some of them I will have to play with and see.  (You know the software issues here with more background, I am pretty new to this stuff and had to enroll myself into Sticky Note School.)  

You could still put in a separate review in toto, especially if you had already written a bunch up, I appreciate what you shared above and any ideas you have about these softwares. Although I did have a fun time punching this thing out, you end up spending a few more hours than expected.  Earlier I sort-of did announce (buried on another thread) that I planned to do this review.  A few days ago, to be eligible for the end-of-May extension Total Commander thingie !  Sometimes a real deadline (which I may have made) acts as a super-spur.  The linkage was made easier since NoteZilla and TC are two of my fav programs, I would never force a review simply for a shot at a nice license, the idea of doing my first review on NoteZilla seemed very sensible, especially after we had some threads that really did not give the full picture.  One thing I simply did not have the time or inclination to do was to reload alternative softwares likes Stickies or PrestoNotes (two I have used) or new others. Maybe if they were part of a PIM and also had a strong feature set I would give another a try at this time.

Oh yeah, off to work.  (A pic or two planned to be added later in the thread.)

Shalom,
Steven Avery
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Mini-Reviews by Members / NoteZilla
« Last post by Steven Avery on June 03, 2009, 11:20 AM »
Basic Info

App NameNoteZilla
App URLhttp://www.conceptworld.com/NoteZilla/
App Version ReviewedNoteZilla 7.0 Build 85 Nov 12, 2008
Test System SpecsWindows XP SP3
Supported OSesWindows 2000, XP, Vista
Support MethodsEmail, very open to discussion
Upgrade PolicyNoteZilla 8 should be available in Aug-Sep next year (2010). And the upgrade price planned to be 30%-40% less of original price.
Trial Version Available?30-day
Pricing SchemeNoteZilla $29.95 (1 person, 2 puters used only by the 1 person) Portable USB $39.95 Sliding discounts on multi-licenses and packs.  Also watch DonationCoder and BitsDuJour.
Relationship btwn. Reviewer and Product None.  Inhabitants of the same teeming megalopolis.

Intro:
NoteZilla takes the concept of sticky note software to a fine art.  

The first thing to see is that NoteZilla was very stable in my use.  And consistently esthetically pleasing.  You can navigate menus and right-clicks at leisure and find the features, the author will try to answer any puzzles you hit by email and the color and shape and utility of the notes are very flexible.  

One key feature of any power-user sticky note software will be the Auto-See and Auto-Hide function. (I will use this expression in the review, it goes by many names and descriptions.) Linking to programs and web pages and documents .. working through the Windows API for the description of a window .. so that a particular note comes up automatically as an auxiliary to the page or program or document and then hides when the item gives up focus. (Unless you pin the note to the desktop or are working on the note).  

Not realizing this capability existed, I had discarded sticky notes a while back as impractical, sticking with Keynote-NF for note software, a fine program with no sticky capabilities.  Yet the Auto-See-Hide feature exists in a few note products.  Now with this capability understood the question is in reverse .. how much usage to give the sticky notes ?  Since they are so effective and fit into a daily puter usage mix, as they no longer have the tendency to get in the way (also you use the "pinning" feature to reduce real estate for notes in and out of use).

Another feature for power use is that the notes must have a strong central data repository that has multiple features for organizing and searching.  This is not immediately obvious when you think of sticky notes, since your paper notes tend to get crumpled and discarded and mixed-up and you thought the program was just to put a few notes on the screen.  This repository (the well-designed "NoteZilla Notes Browser") is what allows a program like NoteZilla to contend to become your main note program. To either augment or supplant programs like Keynote-NF or Treepad.

Note though that NoteZilla - despite its use for ToDo and reminders, makes little effort to be an all-purpose PIM or to integrate with web snippets. And NoteZilla, and sticky note programs in general, lacks significant functions of the dedicated notes programs. More sophisticated searching and macros as well as word processing style text manipulation. As you move more into project planning and organization and less into notes/reminders you will hit the wall with a sticky note program.  

For Screen Shots NoteZilla has a fairly fine series of 11.
http://www.conceptwo...lla/nz_pictour_1.asp

Here are a couple, on the web-pages is additional NoteZilla explanatory notes on the left, these pics here are actually more how your screen appears. Time permitting I may update these a bit with my own pics.  Mouser and all, thanks for the include-pic-explanation thread !

On this first pic I am not sure if the bubble-annotation-style note is from NoteZilla ! (Either a feature I missed or a bit of picture-fudge using another program, research in process.)

Stickies on Windows Desktop.jpg

On this next pic notice that the MemoBoards do allow sub-folders. Quite easily in fact. (Thus some corrections came to the review). This pic is missing an important element .. the filters which supply a lot of the extra power can be in the lower left .. or the full left if you hide the memoboards. I will plan to pic including the filter area later. Another important element missing in this pic .. the full sortable columns, will also be included.  Overall, you can see the clarity and cleanness of working within the Notes Browser, one of the key elements to NoteZilla.

Notes Browser.jpg

Next we see how far NoteZilla has taken the tags so far.  When there is more than one (not shown) it is simply in the same box, separated by a column.  So tags at this time are essentially one-level use. Still very nice and helpful, yet more can be done.

Tags.jpg

Reminders are done nicely.  This next pic (the popup box at the bottom right of the pic .. the screen itself is a tad color-gaudy) is what you see when the reminder is happening.  You have options for sound or not, to let it buzz for x seconds, put in your own .wav file and bring up the source note.  The "Set Reminder" screen (not shown) is where there are two tabs, one for the basic action and one for recurring entries.  

Reminders.jpg

And for the DonationCoder techies, the pic of the export page.

Export Notes.jpg

Who is this app designed for:
NoteZilla can be for the techie keeping notes on dozens of issues and projects and ToDos and programs.  Using a multi-searchable and sortable free-lance data repository. And sharing the notes with others.

As an example, my first real productive usage was to link notes to program support, such as Online Armor, so that when the OA config box goes up by my directive, my wip questions for their forum come up as well in a NoteZilla note, a note which will include any helpful forum links.

Or it can be for the home user keeping some notes handy for shopping and wanting little reminders and todos and when to pay bills and make appointments and this and that.  The more tech elements (ie. attaching a file or a picture, setting up tags for filing, linking to a program) can be ignored for light use.

The NoteZilla website front page has a few dozen examples. "But, what will I use this program for?"  For many of those I would continue with my existing PIM, which in my case is my bookmark program Linkman, since I have it well-trained to show maximum information on minimum effort.  

Ironically one place where I definitely plan to use NoteZilla was not listed.

Screen capture annotation. Easy capture programs like WinSnap and Purrint and MWSnap do not have an annotation feature (Screenshot Captor and the higher-end commercial programs have this feature).  However you can simply bring up a new note before taking the picture, give the note the placement and color and style (skin) and text that fits best ("My firewall gave me this error msg after I installed Program XYZ"). And then take the picture. Thus you have filled in for the missing feature and can even save the text in your notes, and, in reverse, maneuver to put the resulting picture inside the note !

The Good
First, the two features above are of great interest for my usage.

Auto-See & Auto-Hide
"Attach a sticky note to any document, website, program or window. Great advantage!"

Tagging
"Tags are like keywords or labels that you can assign to sticky notes in order to group them and find them easily. By adding tags you can group your sticky notes by topics, projects, contexts or anything else that is important to you."

Tagging allows flexible grouping of any notes by an additional filter system. Adding to the "note repository" function.  NoteZilla has a strong MemoBoard filtering (e.g. show all notes with Reminders or Starred and sort them by reminder date using the one-click sortable column feature).  However so far it looks like the Tagging is in early implementation and is not included in the filtering system except appearing in a sortable column (which loses functionality when there is more than one tag for a note).

There are a large number of excellent features that can only get quick mention here.

First there is the niceness of transparencies and color and RTF flexibilities and skins and tiling and cascading and separate title editing and text and various ways to size and hide and stick and roll up and down the windows.  These are all done well in NoteZilla and the best is simply to test it out for awhile to see how the basics work.

Reminders with recurring events is a semi-basic Sticky Note feature well-implemented in NoteZilla. If you don't have a reminder program in a PIM or elsewhere (I do not) NoteZilla will fill this function admirably.  

The search function is definitely solid and sufficient, essentially NoteZilla "Finds" all the notes that have the searched-for-texts (with word/string and case options).  And as you look at each found note the text is highlighted (although not in the title, possibly an oversight to be improved).  

Here is my short list of semi-special features.

Picture insert (works excellently !)
Attaching Files and Folder (e.g. a picture is "attached" that will come up in a viewer when the attachment is clicked or a file will be executed by its associated program).
Checklist, bullets numbering
Priority
Spell Check
Hotkeys
Password
Solid flexible export (.html .txt .db) and import (.txt .db)
Portable functionality.
Contact list for emailing and sharing notes
Network sharing

The needs improvement section
More in the concept of enhancement than "needs improvement".

Enhancement request:
It would be nice to see a feature where the linking is to ANY webpage with the text "DonationCoder" in the window text.  And not just a specific web-page. This is done by GoScreen, a virtual screen manager, and requires some extra programmer effort and would be worthwhile.

Long-term Enhancement Request:
Enhanced PIM functionality/integration in various ways or form.  The principle one I see is a calendar integration coming out of the reminder system.  This could be program enhancement or export to an .ics (iCalendar) file for import to another dedicated calendar program.  

Another longer-term consideration is adding phone #s to the contact and some other information and then having contact-note linkage.   So that you scan your contacts and have the phone # and whatever put right into the note.  You would also have a view of notes for a contact.

Bugs and annoyances were few and far between.  I asked the developer to consider putting the "hide" button on the other side of the top-bar so you might not accidentally hide a work-in-process.  Gautam responded favorably, and thought it a good idea for consideration. (Generally he either showed me a feature I had missed or looked upon the suggestions favorably or for consideration.) Online Armor had a few extra unusual prompts at time that I had to repeat. Essentially I have hit no bugs or annoyances of note.

And I also asked the developer Gautam to consider a "Properties" tag similar to his "Statistics" section.  I was not able to determine what pages a note was linked to (not even in the Notes Browser).  Thus all the pertinent information about a note (including linked pages and files and folders and other properties) would be best easily visible on a right-click option.

Another feature request was a hotkey capability for a specific note. All hotkeys now are NoteZilla global functions.

A minor request was an option to simply keep the excellent top-bar up, rather than requiring a mouse-hover or mouse-click or key to unhide the bar.  The reason it is not up is that it detracts from the super-simple "Sticky Note" appearance, yet I think it actually often adds to appearance and functionality.

Also a request to make the "Title" line more distinctive than it is currently (color, underlining-sectioning) although actually you can accomplish some of that with default colors and fonts, as the Title line is kept distinct in applying RTF attributes and has a separate default.  Also if you ask to have a note tagged with date and time, that ends up starting out as the Title-line until you edit it.  A smidgen unelegant, I would rather open up right to the title awaiting my input.

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There were two lacks that I found notable. Both may be more in the line of "newish feature -- and .. nobody asked about it yet".  (Also I may have missed some functionalities.)

1) The lack of an easy way to see the Auto-See linkages from the note itself, or even from the Note Browser. They are only triggered when the program or web page or document opens.

2) NoteZilla is not yet oriented toward full multi-tagging.  Multi-tagging is possible, but will not help in grouping (filters). The second tag will simply be listed to the right of the first in a row view in the Note Browser, as a sort field and to show what tags a note was placed in.  They have no function within the filtering section, which is their most natural power-use.  This grouping functionality is a feature that is strong in some ToDo lists programs and was strong when I used Time & Chaos.  Once NoteZilla includes user-defined multiple groups, it becomes important to give them fuller function.

Why I think you should use this product
NoteZilla sticky notes are surprisingly versatile.

The Auto-See-Hide feature of linking with a document or program or web-page is such a powerful feature, combined with a fine interface, that I highly recommend at least trying a program with these features.

The Notes Browser (data repository) is excellent, the key feature of searching and collecting and organizing.  

On the lighter level there are freeware alternatives, yet many would prefer NoteZilla.  

On the techie level NoteZilla is simply a sweet software.  Price is very moderate for a daily-use software so I recommend not economizing on a lesser program unless you are extremely comfortable with the program.

How does it compare to similar apps
NoteZilla appears to be the standard bearer, the measuring line.

Stickies by Zhorn is a very competent freeware product that does have the linking to url and programs feature, yet lacks the tagging and is lighter in general in elements like filtering.  With Stickies I did not feel as comfortable, and missed the top bar on NoteZilla which is very nice.  (Giving you options to hide, roll/up or pin the note and showing you whether there is a reminder or attachment and quick access to the full note menu and allowing you to work in an intuitive and visual fashion.)  Overall I felt NoteZilla was superior for active use, while Stickies might be fine for lighter use. Note: I may have missed aspects of how to use StickyNotes, in my brief usage periods.

Post-it Digital Notes by 3M is a commercial competitor.  One article on DonationCoder lamented how they botched the upgrade and transition to the new version, which is what can happen with corporate software.  Plus I do not see the Auto-See-Hide feature and tagging in the blurb.

There have been some attempts to add sticky notes to PIM or web applications, working in reverse.  None have stood out in my research to date. Google Sticky Notes and Exstora (mentioned in some portable apps pages) are two.

There are many other shareware and freeware and donationware stickies.  I will try to list many of them with a url and note in a separate post, noting here a few names that seemed substantive.

Freeware & Donationware - NoteIt by Veign, PrestoNotes, NetNote, Stickit, Freebie Notes, hott notes, Wirenote (more PIM features but no active development)

Shareware - Power Notes, Magic Notes, TurboNote+, NetNote 6 and Server

In some cases, like NetNote, you have a freeware and commercial product.

Conclusions
NoteZilla simply does its job, and well.  NoteZilla is under continual development with an active and helpful software author.  A webforum or at least an email forum would be an excellent addition, although less critical on an app like this than a lower-level utility like a security app or a virtual screen monitor.

Links to other reviews of this application
These two reviews were linked to from the NoteZilla pages.

Notezilla Review - Free Downloads
http://www.free-down...les/Notezilla_Review

PC World - editorial review
http://www.pcworld.c...e,1/description.html

Not many reviews,  Lifehacker only has it in favorable comments, the program cannot qualify for the excellent freeware reviews like Gizmo or FreewareGenius.  Even Fileforum and Snapfiles only have a smidgen.

Overall, I enjoyed studying for this review, like homework, compelling me to learn a ton more about the program in a few hours !  Helpful to me, hopefully to you as well.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
836
General Software Discussion / Freeware Junkie is network-savvy
« Last post by Steven Avery on June 02, 2009, 03:17 PM »
Hi Folks,

Just as an aside, freewarejunkie is very good on freeware network administration tools, with an article about Spiceworks and a general article :

Are you a network admin? What do you use from day to day?
http://thefreewareju...#c863777031194228344

Shalom,
Steven
837
Hi Folks,

The reasons I would be slow to have any large number of emails on a server include:

1) The server does not have easily the folder intelligence that you create on-the-fly with your mailboxes on your own puter. ie. Post-filtering.

2) Local searching will be much quicker, and super-quicker if indexed. And will normally automatically be integrated into your reply and address-book system.  Even if the mail is on a USB you can work with it very easily.  I know with Eudora you can set up a separate shortcut for the data in another mappable location like a USB.

3) You can run into trouble trouble-shooting the server downloads when the server is gagging-full.  e.g There could be some arcane difficulty hanging the server with email number 5000.  Very hard to troubleshoot.

===============

If you want to have to have email archived, it is best after you have it backed up in the format you most like. These would include.

1) .mbx or .mbox or proprietary or MailStore .dat ... whatever condensed, sensible format you like

2) After everything is filtered

3) After anything you want deleted can be out first, you may want, eg. to eliminate thousands of attachments at once if your email program keeps them external to the text.  Eudora eg. has two easily searchable folders, one for embedded pics, one for attachments. Or you may want to delete a lot of spam and junk mail.  Again, easier to do at home than on the server.

Incidentally, Eudora is also fast with a gazillion emails, although likely not as techie-fast as TheBat! With Eudora I think we consider it good practice to keep the individual folders below 30K email.

Once you are done, if you want cloud backup just go ahead -- just as you would any other large files.  

Now somebody has the server space free because it is bundled with a domain.  So I could see how you might save a few dollars over other cloud backup.  I think if you search around you can find cheapo just fine, and save the hassles above.  And especially, backup locally.

Shalom,
Steven
838
Hi Folks,

I agree. I think the only reason to have server email is if you are super-IMAP-oriented (about which I know very little).  It is so simple to back this stuff up to a USB stick or drive.

We also have threads about using the free MailStore edition for long-term archiving. (Usually Outlook people do that, but I think it may be possible and helpful for TheBat! or Eudora or this or that.)

I recently ran into a similar clogged email thing on a secondary server account that has decent support.  Once it got full it did not want to download.  I think we deleted the mail in this case and started over, since it was simply yahoogroups forum mail of little importance.  However that was a separate issue.  I mention that because it is still possible that the problem partly exists on the server.  

At any rate, keeping lots of mail on the server is something you might want to reconsider. You can get everything fully downloaded and then back up to external USB and/or to the cloud.  Fully empty the server and see if TheBat! still gives you trouble with new mail.  At this time you have two variables, a stuffed server and a quirky Bat, and it would be easier to get it down to one.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
839
Hi Folks,

  In the spring and summer I start "missing" more events than in the winter, so I start to wonder...

 Calendar software is a tricky area, so much so that I am always tempted to return to the last I actually used consistently for awhile - Calendar Creator, now Plus. Many years back.  Oh yeah, I also used Time & Chaos reasonably well for awhile.

  However a spot of time has marched on, here are my thoughts beyond the :

OBVIOUS
Decent screen view and printouts.
Easy entry.
Recurring events should be reasonably simple and powerful.

 However the fancy custom calendar backgrounds for printing that some give are unimportant.  The theme here is practical.

REMINDERS
are close to a necessity.  Either pop-up from tray or even better more sophisticated stuff, like to a cell phone. They should be reasonably flexible (e.g. every day for a week before the event).

OVERLAYS (Groups/Categories)
are a necessity for me to be happy with such a program.  You should be able to look at your "radio" calendar or "local events" calendar separately or with "ALL". Preferably you should be able to choose to group a few categories together for a custom calendar. This calendar may include my "Local Events" and "Concerts" and "Conferences" but not my other dozen groupings like personal finance deadlines or internet and radio events or work stuff.  

This is more possible if the grouping allows a sub-grouping concept .. and that is more likely if the calendar is the outgrowth of a ToDo with sub-categories. However sub-groups is not a necessity and may barely exist anywhere well in calendar software.

And asking for geographic savvy is likely a bit too much to ask, but I could include that to an extent in my defined categories (easier with sub-groups).

PRIORITIES
Are a necessity.  I may put into the calendar some radio or internet events that are high priority, but a dozen other may be normal schedules that are there as a "look-see" in the AM but otherwise not important.  Thus the event I really want to remember is high priority (or number = 8 ) and the others are a 1 or 2 or low.  They are in the calendar but only if I include the low priorities.  Three priorities would be ok but a number system is superior.

And it would be nice if deadlines are hard or soft.  That is again more likely coming out of a ToDo manager.  There is a big difference between a calender notice that has an event on a certain date (my vehicle inspection is due) and one that is a flexible job deadline.  This distinction in dates (coming from ToDo stuff like .. ugh .. GTD) is nice to build in one way or another.  e.g. A calendar event of a soft deadline does not disappear when the day passes, it asks to be reset to a later date. Ok, all this is not a necessity.

URL Hot-links
Clearly this is a feature that you would expect today. Close to necessity.

===============================================

One other question is very important.  It would be very nice if this calendar was not an orphan calendar, but was integrated to a high-quality To-Do list or PIM (email I would ignore at this time, although in the long run Thunderbird might be integratable, today I use Eudora.  Tbird has various connections and extensions to consider).  

Integration would be especially nice to a ToDo, which is a natural complement and integration to calendar.  PIM is nice because it may allow a drag-and-drop to have stuff like the phone # put in without a recheck or retype (Time & Chaos had some of that functionality).

 I used Time & Chaos (now Chaos Intellect) for awhile and it was reasonable on all this, however it was clearly stronger on PIM features like contacts than ToDo or calendar. I would even consider returning to such a program, even in a commercial version, if the calender is strong and integrated well.  After T&C I poked around (e.g. Essential PIM and Pimex) yet never found a really fine alternative PIM, and I also consider building my own with a database program with or without template. (This might be Alpha Software, or a project to help me learn WinDev or Magic Software, but those last two would have a work-related learning aspect since they can run on the iSeries/AS400 data as well as the PC.)

  Otherwise I would continue to use Linkman as my primary PIM (with which I am quite happy, since it has a natural web-integration and fast look-up) and use something like ToDoList (Abstract Spoon) if the calender program and ToDo cannot be one program per my requirements.  ToDoList has a separate calendar plug-in, but I tend to doubt that it mustard-cuts for the above.  As for my current tools, I also use NoteZilla and KeyNote-NF, with NoteZilla recently moving up the ladder.

  It is possible that some programs like Agenda At Once or Ultra Recall or Exstora or this and that have a lot of this stuff. If you have experience with one that is looks like it can do the calendar job above, give a holla. Who knows, I may already have the program license.  Also InfoQube may be a player, it is the type of PC-friendly database program that may have some modules that fit the needs above.  I would jump right into Agenda or InfoQube or UltraRecall if they are strong enuf and malleable enuf (AAO in native mode, InfoQube in building/programming mode, Ultra Recall in the middle).

 On the straight calender with some ToDo.. Rainlendar is often mentioned, perhaps it fits the bill ?  Does it make the "de minimus" above ?

 Ok, one other obvious question.

HOME PUTER or ONLINE

  Can a RemembertheMilk or another online program do this well ?  Does it have the layered and priority functions and more ?  If so, I will try that route. I am happy to let this be a home puter function, an online function, or both integrated .. if the functionality is excellent.

Oh, along the same line.

BLACKBERRY INTEGRATION

   Blackberry, IPhone, Palm. Clearly this is the rage this day, yet I am not so excited.  I would be more than happy knowing what is happening each day early in the morning by a little screen and/or print reminder.  Right now I have a cell phone, simple clam-shell Samsung that is very functional.  While I would consider the move to a Blackberry or some other carry-around organizer, I do not consider that a driving force.  In a sense I consider that a bit too intrusive, similar to how I gave up on laptops and notebooks some years back.  Yet if your Blackberry-type experiences have been positive, share away.

================================

OVERLAYS AND GROUPS vs. MULTIPLE CALENDARS

  A popular backwards method today is to sync multiple calendar.  See that type of discussion in the comments here.

How to Sync Any Desktop Calendar with Google Calendar
http://www.lifehacke...h_google_calendar-2/

Or in this one, although it is also has other issues, trying to use the .ics format over multiple calendar programs.

Use Drobox To Synchronise Multiple Rainlendar Calendars
http://www.lifehacke...ainlendar-calendars/

Question.  
Does this .ics format support some the features I am asking for above ?

 And note, there is mention of "sub-calendars" (hard to work with externally) within Outlook.

 Multiple calendars is exactly what I want to avoid.  Imho, the only really sensible method is one calendar with flexible groupings.  One master calendar.  You may "export" from it for a particular reason (e.g. web access, fancy printing) but the data repository should be solid and singular.

==================================================

  Your thoughts and experiences and suggestions ?

Shalom,
Steven
840
Official Announcements / Re: June 2009 Discounts and Giveaway
« Last post by Steven Avery on June 01, 2009, 07:21 AM »
Hi Folks,

Thanks.  Good to know, I fergot to read back carefully.  Thanks for the deadline extension !  .. let's see .. GMT .. ok, that is about 1PM EST.

(Very busy couple of days, but will try to squeeze in a review.)

Shalom,
Steven Avery
841
Official Announcements / Re: June 2009 Discounts and Giveaway
« Last post by Steven Avery on May 31, 2009, 09:21 PM »
Hi Folks,

Wasn't there something said about mini-reviews ?  To encourage us PC not-really-coder-yet folks ?

(Are there two groups of FIVE each !! ?  Amazing. Even one five is really generous. Thanks either way.  I'm getting tired of 1-2-3 .. TC is so kewl I want to find a nice discount and buy .. or even better .. win a freebie !  .. (Free Commander is nice too, but it simply is not the same. One of the very best freewares and one of the very best friendly-sharewares. Hmmm.. we could use a Free Commander review ! :) .. nahh.. surely the Freeware Genius has that covered.)  Actually I think NoteZilla could use a real review, it has the potential to be the first real new-way-of-doing-stuff program in a while, for me at least.  I sent some notes to the author, but he is away till .. tomorrow.)

If so, 2 or 3 days from Sat would sound like an extension !! Yeah.  All the way to Monday or Tuesday, anything before the Wednesday thing.  

but.. but .. are the mini-reviews still in the mix  ? .. or is it just coding snacks ?   The problem is .. I don't think I can easily become a good PC coder in 2 days, expanding from my mini-computer and dabbling with database stuff.

Well anyway, tell us the precise parameters !! (in English, not C++). Thanks !

Shalom,
Steven

(who thinks very highly of Total Commander, and remembers the original XTree and used "POP" on the System 36 and doesn't remember ever getting DOpus fully loaded even though one version was on one of those UK mags.)
842
Found Deals and Discounts / SnagIt 7.25 - free until June 5, 2009
« Last post by Steven Avery on May 31, 2009, 08:22 AM »
Hi Folks,

Snag-It
http://www.techsmith.../covermount.asp?ID=8

"Thank you for your interest in Snagit. We are happy to offer you a free, legal version of Snagit 7.2.5 through 5 pm (EST) on June 5, 2009. Please note this version is not compatible with Windows Vista. Please register below to receive your software key. As a registered user, you automatically qualify for upgrade pricing to our latest version – Snagit 9.1. For more information on our latest version – Snagit 9.1 – please visit http://www.techsmith.../snagit/whatsnew.asp "

Found on the Wilder's thread this AM
http://www.wildersse...wthread.php?t=243717
SnagIt - Free License

(Where they mention it works fine on Vista and also discussed some other software.)

No doubt SnagIt is quality, even if you use Screenshot Captor, WinSnap, Purrint, HyperSnap, FastStone, Jing and Potato online and a dozen others, there likely will be some features (web captures, text capture, editing, this and that) where you find SnagIt the best.  If I remember, its text capture facility is pretty neat. OCR .. and the auxiliary area of text capture through the Windows API .. is a complex area, and one size never fits all, Evernote is known for some capabilities in that area through the cloud.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
843
Official Announcements / Re: June 2009 Discounts and Giveaway
« Last post by Steven Avery on May 30, 2009, 06:06 PM »
And I think we have another full day to post our incredible reviews and mini-reviews ?
844
General Software Discussion / MailStore install spins around Net 2.0
« Last post by Steven Avery on May 28, 2009, 09:22 PM »
Hi Folks,

My first MailStore try was a bit frustrating.  Wasn't sure if the Home or Server edition applies, since it is a business use on one individual puter.  The home is individual use .. it installs Net 2.0 .. and then .. does nothing.  When I try to install a second or third time, all I got were reinstalls of Net 2.0.

Strange .. I'll probably try on the home puter. And call them in the AM.

Shalom,
Steven
845
General Software Discussion / Re: Desktop/email search program
« Last post by Steven Avery on May 28, 2009, 01:40 PM »
Hi Folks,

Thanks, Carol.

As long as you have no problem deleting the same entries you moved, all should be fine.  The reason I don't plan to delete them the first time is that the archive is play, first time trial, not production.  Once the user says "OK", then a startover with a real move-and-delete can occur. I wouldn't count on dup-find capabilities in that case, simply start fresh.  Although I am surprised that MailStore would notice dups after a PST folder move.   Interesting .. a technical question for later. Remember sometimes you have the exact same email from somebody, except for the date.  So MailStore must be checking "exact" by their own index. Kewl.

And I think the MailStore techie was just being cautious in implying a degree of difficulty in movement among PCs.  It doesn't make a lot of sense, you should be able to bring over the data files and any config that exists and go from puter to puter (its not like there are hardware drivers of a disk image) as Carol describes. Maybe I will shoot the techie an email or call and try to pin down what he meant.  Not critical either way, since he was clearly not saying there was any save/restore problem on the same PC.

It does seem like MailStore is the simplest one-step solution for those who don't mind a paid license (like a business).  Any solutions that work with multiple PST seem to retain a problematic or complication factor that MailStore lacks, attachments included or stripped. (Granted they are far better than doing nothing.)

Similarly Fookes, the other main player, seems a bit more conversion-savvy rather than archive-savvy and would require two softwares rather than one and has a real contact problem, nobody to call, no email addy, only web-contact.  So far nobody else seems to have the full savvy so far of how to bring the mail into a solid new format and leave it there. As Carol has described, it sounds like MailStore has brought this to a fine art, and when I talked to them I was impressed.

Appreciate the direction and pointing from DonationCoder, hope to have this installed on a user puter very shortly.

Shalom,
Steven
846
General Software Discussion / MailStore and Lookeen
« Last post by Steven Avery on May 28, 2009, 09:52 AM »
Hi Folks,

Ok, I talked to Lookeen and MailStore.

Lookeen is PST-search oriented, text, attachments, this and that .. an Outlook 2003 and 2007 toolbar.  It might be excellent for our company, yet it doesn't address the archiving issue.

MailStore was impressive for archiving.  The data comes in (in test mode you might not delete and compact what you export to MailStore) and is kept in their .dat files, that are kept moderate in size (you might have a number of them).  These files will be in total much smaller than the original PST files, the amount of size reduction will vary tremendously, whether there is more .doc or .jpg or text or this and that. (No stripping of attachments involved.) Then MailStore relates to them all as one group with, again, super-quick search, and if you need to export an email back to Outlook, or other programs, you do that.  

Note: I wouldn't be surprised if Lookeen is superior in terms of the aspect of indexing and searching .. since that is their one specialty, and all sorts of complications can arise with the variety of attachments embedded in email, one Outlook design fiasco. (Perhaps not just Outlook, Eudora folks are often quite appreciative of how attachments and embedded pictures are not in the .mbx files and how that whole situation is handled .. one reason they are reluctant to switch to various alternatives.)

One limitation of MailStore is that the export is by date only, apparently you can't make exceptions .. (although that might have a workaround if it is really important, in this case likely not).  Another limitation Bernd (the MailStore techie) mentioned is that they are not super-portable (you can back them up but for some reason taking them to other puters has complications even if you have MailStore here and there).  If anyone has more insight on this aspect, or any aspect, please share away.

MailStore would clearly be worthy of consideration if you were trying to move from Outlook to Thunderbird as well, however Firefox over IE comes first.

In fact, MailStore may be appropriate also for all my historical Eudora stuff (Eudora and its X1 solution never really clicked) -- most of all it sounds like an excellent fit for business Outlook archiving.  Rather than try to work with multiple .PST files and a search engine like Lookeen, which might be an alternative (with or without attachment separation.. the idea that an email search has to pass over .jpg and .gif files is very unelegant .. however once they are in, I am concerned that removal can be problematic, unless a tool is truly shaken out and proven).

Plan to try MailStore today or tomorrow.

Both programs are written in C++.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
847
you must mean May 29th . . :)
-tomos
Thanks . Date change made.
848
Hi Folks,

DefenseWall HIPS
http://www.bitsdujou...re/defensewall-hips/

Well-regarded by the Wilder's crew, though I have not used it.  If it is confirmed that it generally plays nice with Online Armor and Avira (allowing for some double-warnings with OA if OA HIPS "Program Guard" is kept on - maybe you simply turn it off) then I am quite interested.

And it might be good to load it today in anticipation of a trial before the discount.  (Note: I might not, it might be too sandbox-ish for me.)

Your thoughts ? :) .

Shalom,
Steven
849
Hi Folks,

Thanks, Innuendo.

When I look at the Fookes product comparison:

Compare Email Products
http://www.aid4mail.com/comparison.php

It looks like Aid4Mail and Mailbag Assistant would both be necessary. Apparently Aid4Mail can do a lot of archiving, but cannot display, search, reply .. while MA is the opposite.  Still possible, it would be nice if it was one master-tool. (Aid4Mail may be the simplest, cleanest conversion tool, checking a bit more and as a converter it could have a simpler archiver role .. "converting" the older mail to the same format.  Ok,  I take back the harumph about one tool.)

One possibility is simple export to .mbx format .. then use one of many tools like Thunderbird or the excellent Eudora (ok, its sort of history) for looking and searching those mails. However the issue of attachments has to be dealt with carefully, as .mbx and .mbox varies in how that is handled.  The nice thing in this method is that you are simply fully and completely liberated from Outlook for the old mail (also it might be a steppingstone to a Tbird conversion) however the user has to understand that his archived mail requires a different tool.  In a small company, where initially only 2-3 people really need the archiving, this might not be a major problem.  Especially if reviewing the archive is only occasional.  At least the mailboxes are secure and sensible, easy to manipulate, although there is a question as to how you might end up with multiple .mbx instead of just one huge one. ... hmmm ..

So there are a few good products in consideration, Fookes is still in the running, however not not only do they also not have a forum, they are an email company in Switzerland that hides their email addy (maybe under the influence of Swiss banking secrecy! ) -- only wanting web support forms.  Makes it a little dicey for me to really discuss stuff with them.

=============================

Mailstore, as Carol describes, may be excellent .. not for a centralized server concept, simply for strong, reliable PST manipulation.  Lookeen may be in the same ballpark, with one or two of the other companies from my earlier post similarly situated.  Mailstore in the lead going around the turn.

Time to see what the the eMailman has to say about all this ! (Answer .. not much.)

=============================

Ask Leo! -- in a six-year thread and counting -- has one of the more straightforward articles about simply working within Outlook.

What can I do about Outlook's huge PST? (2003-2009 discussions)
http://ask-leo.com/w...tlooks_huge_pst.html

Leo has the 2Gb thing at the beginning, now long since gone. (With an exception noted in the comments about importing earlier mailboxes maintaining the limit.)  Overall Leo gives some credence to the idea of simply setting up separate PSTs like 2005, 2006, 2007 - possibly functionable, if not elegant. (One fellow even says he did his monthly.)

Addition: Comments in April 2005 by Nigel Wood and another says that even older archive folders end up getting changed .. even though you might think they are stable and stagnant.  Part of the multifarious nature of Outlook. Thus, while this idea of splitting the PST into multi-PSTs would help on the stability and speed part of Outlook, it would not allow for the onetime saving of unchanged files, as each file remains volatile.  (Does it really matter ?  Can  you ignore the changes to the earlier-dated PST files ?  Dunno.)

Other notes: Leo talks about how he prefers hand work to automated archiving, one post discusses the subfolder multiplication concern.

In this scenario the "PST Compress" tool .. or the "EZDetach" tool .mentioned in notes may make a lot of sense.  This business email is loaded with .pdf and excel files and such that probably are a mess within the .pst.  This may be the secret ingredient. With these tools .. will you be able to find the attachment ?  Is the location properly notated and connected within the email (like Eudora does natively) .. hmmm, dunno.

===

In an earlier search at work I ran into a few other discussions of these types of methods, lots of nuances .. more info not immediately available.  However the Leo thread is quite helpful, maybe the most extensive web discussion of the overall issue, while not considering conversion to other formats or even the commercial inexpensive archiving tools.  A bit like two parallel universes passing in the night.

Shalom,
Steven
850
General Software Discussion / Re: Desktop/email search program
« Last post by Steven Avery on May 27, 2009, 05:57 PM »
Hi Folks,

 My need is along the same line.  We have a food importing company with about a dozen Outlook users (not me, I use Eudora at home and Gmail on the road) .. I know one of them has an almost 15 gigabtyes PST file .. preparing to crash, as PST files do. (It has even happened to this fella before !) .  This is all 100% Outlook stuff, probably 2003 edition.  Other folks probably have a couple of gigs, I haven't checked yet.

 Thus we need, first and foremost, simplicity of archiving.  Keeping the mail on the disk, but in the case I mentioned making the active file 5 gigs or 3 gigs or less and the larger stuff more than a year or two old put into another file.  This "other file" can be another PST file or it can be an "ABC" file .. something easy to work with with another tool.  However the other tool should not lose the basic function of looking and printing like an Outlook email. That is essential. If the search functions are enhanced, so much  the better.

 When I searched the net a few weeks ago I found some clumsy hand ways of doing this .. not very inviting.  So what is the fine tool ?  The goal: archive all the emails older than 1 or 2 years .. let it be available in a quiet file that is not changed in any way, shape or form.  Yet is still there for searching and reading and printing.

  Kapiche ?  I then back up the volatile files over the net and/or local disk every night while the quiet files can be backed up once .. and left alone.  Spending a little bit on this is not a problem for the company, a food importer.  It is important that it simply be done right.  Easy to work with.

  It looks like Mailstore and Lookeen both have capabilities in this area. (Removed irrelevant stuff since I got to Lookeen through about.com). Anyway .. both companies are is in Germany .. neither has a support forum.  

  MessageSave seems to be another. I called them up (San Francisco, I got one of the developers, Alex) they support Windows Desktop Search after archiving each message to its own .msg file, an Outlook format.  The concern with this method is that you will have thousands of Windows files, and he acknowledged that the way to avoid trouble is to not put too many in one folder.  Interesting. He emphasized that it was written in C++ and is a robust tool, and no .Net or Visual Basic libs on board.

  Not that many strong players in this field.  Priotecs - http://www.priotecs.com/en/index.php may be worth a look-see, also from Germany.

  One company has a sync tool "4 Team" - "Sync2 for Microsoft® Outlook".  There is an ABC Outlook Backup that is likely on the simple side.  Nelson Email Organizer - NEO Pro, might be interesting. E-Rkive may also have some heft.  Static Email Backup makes a nice web-site presentation handling Eudora, Thunderbird and Becky as well. And AJSystems (they have a PIM Amigo! I used many years back) specializes with OutBack Plus 6 and some other products.

  And there may be others.

  Although overall -- MailStore and Lookeen stand strong.

  So what is your suggestion ?  This is for a lean and savvy business with rudimentary puter skills, we may end up using the tool on 2-3 PCs, or maybe a dozen.  At this time, there is no need for shared email on a server, we just don't work that way.

  Since I am all Eudora and Gmail, I will listen very intently to all you can share.

Shalom,
Steven
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