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Living Room / Re: Welcome to Big Brother UK
« Last post by Renegade on April 02, 2012, 08:07 AM »@Renegade's rant about conspiracy, whilst alarming, doesn't yet stand up as proven - at least, not in the UK as far as I can see, though I am still investigating the references he makes. It may be different in the US, where Totalitarianism does seem (e.g., from comments by some US people in this forum) to be taking a firm grip, and there certainly seem to be some very funny things about 911 and the aftermath - including the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and oh-so-belatedly taking out Osma Bin Laden in Pakistan.-IainB (April 02, 2012, 04:18 AM)
It may be that the UK isn't a complete police state yet... But do you seriously need to wait for proof?
That's kind of like having someone in front of you screaming that there's a fellow behind you with a knife and refusing to do anything because you don't have eyes in the back of your head.
By the time you have proof, it's too late.
The trials of the various Islamic jihadists in the UK, over the years, were well-publicised. The defendants generally did not deny what they did, as far as I recall. They seemed proud of what they had been doing, because it was jihad - a holy war - with Allah on your side and Paradise (+72 virgins) waiting for you if you got killed doing it. Not a bad exchange, that.-IainB (April 02, 2012, 04:18 AM)
The typical story is that one of the intelligence services or police go out, recruit some borderline guy (or group), then push them over the edge, supply them with all the weapons they need... This is not really any kind of conspiracy. It's on record. Many times.
Who's the real criminal there? A bunch of guys that got suckered into becoming jihadists? Or the thugs behind them?
Just search for the origins of Al-Qaeda.
Hell... The US is now throwing its support behind the MEK - and the MEK is on the US terrorist list! Check it out. I'm not kidding.
http://en.wikipedia....;s_Mujahedin_of_Iran
http://www.historyco...ce_against_iran_1981
http://www.washingto...port-terrorists.html
http://mideast.forei..._support_for_the_mek
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS THE LARGEST STATE SPONSOR OF TERROR. PERIOD.
Does anyone really think that the British and Israeli intellgence services are any cleaner? They're just a little bit better at not getting caught as often as the Americans. But you can still find TONNES of seriously evil dirt on them. There's no shortage to go around.
In short, whatever dirt you hear about the CIA, MI-6 and Mossad are doing just about the same thing, except that the Israelis tend to attack the Americans fairly often then blame someone else, where the Americans don't tend to like killing Jews much.
So, I don't believe in jihadists or terrorists, or whatever you want to call them - I know they are there, because we could see them standing in front of us in open court, as it were, usually proudly admitting what they did and in front of a jury.-IainB (April 02, 2012, 04:18 AM)
Sure... I "know" that "they" are there... But they're just not really who they're made out to be. What they're being made out to be is no more real than the Icelandic fairies and elves.
So what are the UK authorities to do about it all? The jihadist terrorists will probably keep spawning, if Allah tells them to.-IainB (April 02, 2012, 04:18 AM)
I think that's "if the director of the CIA tells them to".
Seriously. Look up the origins. Tons of links to all manner of sources starting here:
http://www.infowars....da-100-pentagon-run/
If the authorities are running out of options (and I suspect that they are), then they are probably doing their level best to keep the lid on this pressure-cooker (get security under control), knowing full well that it is almost guaranteed to be at the expense of freedom.-IainB (April 02, 2012, 04:18 AM)
"At the expense of freedom" is NEVER an excuse. Never.
It is the litany used by tyrants. "Give me your freedoms, and I will protect you."
That's ALWAYS how it starts. All tyrants come as protectors and saviours in the beginning. Always.
The jihadists/chav rioters/anarchists/criminals won't stop from using telecommunications to progress their objectives.-IainB (April 02, 2012, 04:18 AM)
Surveillance is idiotic. Anyone here can easily thwart surveillance with off-the-shelf encryption. Sure, it might be possible to waste a few weeks of time for a few thousand servers... But then again you can just up the ante on the encryption.
(If anyone knows of any "backdoors" to the most current encryption schemes, please chime in. I am not aware of any backdoors or exploits that can compromise any of the strong encryption schemes out there.)
So it's basically pointless. They're NOT going to eavesdrop on "terrorists". They're going to eavesdrop on YOU AND ME~!
If we were in that position, I wonder whether any of us could do anything that might make things better for the future.-IainB (April 02, 2012, 04:18 AM)
I don't think it's that hard...
1) Stop running around the world murdering people.
2) Try to be friends with people instead of killing them.
Ummm... That's about it. It takes a lot more energy to run around murdering people than it takes to sit around drinking beer and having a few laughs.
i.e. You gain more security by being friends with people, then actively trying to turn everyone into enemies.
I don't think that's very complicated, though it's likely a bit too complex for the feeble minds that rule us...
