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Living Room / Re: Semi-happy ending to 'The Doom that Came to Atlantic City' Kickstarter campaign
« Last post by wraith808 on August 03, 2013, 08:59 PM »Oh.. I know that there's dispute over 1. That's why I said that he picked a bad time and a bad way to say that.
As far as the other, industry veterans over at BGG have chimed in that the $35k was never going to get the game made and shipped.
And from my personal experience, if he did the right thing in regards to getting the C&D from Hasbro and had a lawyer to handle the correspondence and such... that could easily run a pretty penny right there. Just from doing due diligence on a venture that I was in on, we ran up about 10k in lawyers fees.
This isn't to say anything one way or another, but just to say that things aren't as clear as they may seem. Up to, and including the fact that the Forking Path could have been incorporated in *any* state. Amateur night in the investigation business isn't going to be conclusive in court, and there's a lot that has not and is yet to be revealed. And if he's smart, he'll realize that there are people that are really out to get him no matter what happens, and have already made their conclusions, so he'll not reveal anything until such time as he has to, and will treat this matter as adversarial.
But yeah, he has a hard road to slog ahead no matter what.
As far as the other, industry veterans over at BGG have chimed in that the $35k was never going to get the game made and shipped.
I'll say this... after raising over $40k for Chicken Caesar and $46k for Mars Needs Mechanics, realistically printing Doom with those miniatures was going to cost more than $35k. Shipping from China to the U.S. is $5-6k alone unless you can piggy back with someone else's order. The molding fee is $1,000-$1,500 per model. Depending on the number of copies he was going to print (I'm assuming more than 2k since he had over 1k backers), he was looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of $30-$40k just for printing. I'm pulling these numbers out of my head based on our experience printing with a high quality printer in China. If he was going for cheaper materials, he might have been able to shave up to $10k off that cost. But if it is anything like our experience, this game might have cost him a solid $50-60k to print, ship to the U.S. and then ship to backers.
And from my personal experience, if he did the right thing in regards to getting the C&D from Hasbro and had a lawyer to handle the correspondence and such... that could easily run a pretty penny right there. Just from doing due diligence on a venture that I was in on, we ran up about 10k in lawyers fees.
This isn't to say anything one way or another, but just to say that things aren't as clear as they may seem. Up to, and including the fact that the Forking Path could have been incorporated in *any* state. Amateur night in the investigation business isn't going to be conclusive in court, and there's a lot that has not and is yet to be revealed. And if he's smart, he'll realize that there are people that are really out to get him no matter what happens, and have already made their conclusions, so he'll not reveal anything until such time as he has to, and will treat this matter as adversarial.
But yeah, he has a hard road to slog ahead no matter what.

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