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No government can maintain power without the tacit consent of the people, at a minimum. Once people speak up, they lose. Because they have to follow the people.
I'm not sure that history would necessarily always be able to support that statement.

So, what might be the alternatives?
FidoNet/SkyNet begin to look like more attractive approaches as each day dawns.
I have no idea whether that is realistic - i.e., use some alternative network approach (existing or imagined).
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Actually I think it was Renegade that opened that topic. Not me. (I just had a lot to say about it as I sometimes do on certain topics.
Oops. I didn't realise I had made that mistake. Thanks. Corrected now. Yes, you and I have tended to contribute quite a bit to discussion on this topic. I find it fascinating and want to better understand the patterns (typical Asperger Syndrome). It doesn't seem to all fit together "nicely" at the moment. Maybe missing pieces, or needs re-arranging.

Ok guys, I think maybe we really need to tone down the rhetoric just a bit here. N'cest pas?
What's with the plural ("guys")? It was just @Renegade, not I.
Anyway I categorically do not have any problem with @Renegade blowing off steam about scientific/commercial use of embryonic material from aborted foetuses. And it might not necessarily be correct to say that he was using rhetoric, either.

By the way, I think "n'est pas?" might be the correct shortened form for "n'est que c'est pas?", but I never was too hot on German.
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Heck, you don't even have the right to free speech in Australia. Never have.
Well, nevertheless, they have come a long way from being just a penal colony of the UK to being a seriously major economic power in the southern hemisphere. They do seem to be getting very involved in regulation/censorship of Internet freedoms though, apparently closely followed by the Kiwis.
For example, and quite coincidentally, I read this today, about Ozzie police war-driving to check on your wifi security:
Aussie Police Declare War on Unprotected Wi-Fi Networks

I guess it's a useful surveillance and remediation action if they have established that criminals are freeloading off of your open/insecure wifi access point and committing felonies by that avenue, but I have not read anything to the effect that there is evidence that this is indeed becoming something that needs policing.
So it might seem that it could just be unnecessary interference in people's private affairs.
I mean, leaving your wifi insecure (without password access) is a bit like leaving the front door to your home unlocked and open for intruders to enter, and the police don't go around checking that you have locked and secured your front door, so why check whether you have secured your wifi access?

I'd suppose that it might be to ensure that the only person using your IP address is you or your family, and that way they can remove a potential escape loophole for pedophile image downloads (your private email and IP address are already being monitored for this) or the 3 strikes and out or whatever RIAA downloading statute/conditions have recently been imposed on Australian citizens.

Either way, you can probably be fairly sure that there will be a permanent log kept of any action that police take to warn a citizen that their wifi is insecure, and that it could be linked - if necessary - to said citizen's phone number (police need and already have caller ID permission and access to the landline phone numbers of all citizens, even the numbers that are unlisted in the White Pages). It's all about demographics.

At the moment, I think it is not illegal in Australia to have an insecure wifi access point, but a cynic might say "Give it time".
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Living Room / Re: how to find the oldest (=original) file on the Internet?
« Last post by IainB on March 26, 2012, 05:52 AM »
...I don't think it can be answered. You can modify the date and time on a file, so there's really no such thing as an audit trail for a file.
If the file had been input to the 'net a long time ago, then it might have been done in a batch process, as opposed to on an ad hoc basis. In the old days of batch processing, there was usually a rigorous batch control record kept for all batch input data, with things like input document counts, data types, hash totals of any numeric (e.g., $ money) fields manually input (via data entry).
So the batch control record for an image capture/input process could conceivably provide a decent audit trail.

You'd not be so likely to find things like that nowadays though, unless (say) it was Banking or Government/Defence data capture/input.
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Turkey? Iran? Seriously?
People need to STFU about "North Korea" and look at what is happening AT HOME!
The surveillance state in North Korea? Is this a joke? It's a bad joke... The real surveillance states are the US and the UK, and their doting bunch of lackey followers, like the sheeple north of the US.
How can anyone possible look to "the west" as any sort of "bastion of freedom" when the US Constitution has been systematically eviscerated over the last 10 years or so, and the lackeys are following suit to one degree or another.
Heck, you don't even have the right to free speech in Australia. Never have.
We need to get our own problems sorted first. And no, neither Syria nor Iran are problems. Killing Syrians and Iranians will NOT bring "freedom and democracy" to anywhere.
The reason I attached that image was that it takes into account that it ("Huxwellianism") seems to be happening all over the globe - if we hadn't already noticed, or needed reminding. I saw a version of the image with Spanish writing on it in place of the English, and for all I know the image has been produced in other languages too.

As for the Western societies - i.e., generally including US, Canada, Europe, and Australasia - again, we already know that it's happening in those societies. That's presumably why there was so much discussion on the subject of "Internet freedom" in the DCF, and why the DCF blacked out for the SOPA protest. You can see that from the concerns expressed by DCF members in the several discussion threads that I listed (and it's not an all-inclusive list either).

I don't see how this is a thing that can be easily fought though. You probably can't really isolate the "culprits" and kill them for treason or put them in jail without discriminating against them and withdrawing their rights in law. They're all over the place. It's like a systemic cancer. If you want to kill it with (say) radiation therapy, then you might end up having to risk killing yourself (the host) as well.
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Living Room / Re: how to find the oldest (=original) file on the Internet?
« Last post by IainB on March 26, 2012, 04:24 AM »
I don't see how you could ever identify the "oldest" version file of a digital image. It might be (say) that you find the first version to appear on the 'net, but that wouldn't necessarily prove that it was the oldest/original. The oldest might not have been copied to the 'net until later, if at all. If the original was likely to be very old, then it would probably be an analogue image.

Finding the "oldest" would thus probably not prove anything terribly useful - would it?
You probably couldn't even be certain about file creation dates either.
Heck, you can't be sure of anything nowadays, there's so much garbage flying around.

For example, look at all those fraudulent photos you see of Michael Jackson as a child-star. He's depicted as being black or dark-brown-skinned with frizzy hair and African-American features for goodness' sake. Somebody sure got that wrong! He was a white-skinned Caucasian with longish straight black hair and a pointy nose.
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Living Room / #killswitch - it's George Orwell .AND. Aldous Huxley (not .OR.)
« Last post by IainB on March 25, 2012, 09:37 PM »
@Renegade opened a discussion thread back in 2010-06-27:
Obama Can Shut Down Internet For 4 Months Under New Emergency Powers
President Obama will be handed the power to shut down the Internet for at least four months without Congressional oversight if the Senate votes for the infamous Internet ‘kill switch’ bill, which was approved by a key Senate committee yesterday and now moves to the floor...
...While media and public attention is overwhelmingly focused on the BP oil spill, the establishment is quietly preparing the framework that will allow Obama, or indeed any President who follows him, to bring down a technological iron curtain that will give the government a foot in the door on seizing complete control over the Internet...
...Indeed, China uses similar rhetoric about the need to maintain “security” and combating cyber warfare by regulating the web, when in reality their entire program is focused around silencing anyone who criticizes the state.
Ahem... Do the words
[Rude expletive removed]
have any meaning?
Sneaky, and dangerous.
Why is every year 1984 lately?

I didn't really pay it much mind at the time, thinking that you could probably "read too much" into things like this, if you were skeptical of Big Government motivation.
But a response from @mrainey asked the question:
Why does every political event or medical event, or even current event, spawn a dozen different conspiracy theories?
...

And an interesting discussion ensued.
Since then, there have been numerous related issues raised and discussed in DCF, including, for example (and in no particular order):
- and quite a lot more besides that.

So the whole subject of the "freedom of the Internet" (or whatever it could be called) would seem to be of concern to several DCF members, to the extent that it seems to be necessarily occupying our collective cognitive surplus, and the site was blacked out in the SOPA protest.

And now this month has seen the moving of the SECURE IT Act (cybersecurity bill) through the US Senate.
So it isn't going to stop. And there are all sorts of justifications (alleged "good reasons") for this, from lobbyists and other proponents of proposed Internet regulation and legislation. It looks like a steady, remorseless creep across the domain of Internet freedom will be the order of the day.
So what did the SOPA protest blackout achieve? Maybe it slowed it's more rapid progress down to a creep in the first place?
Is there a conspiracy? Arguably, yes, there could seem to be.
But, being skeptical, I don't think that would necessarily be correct.

I was gathering some references to George Orwell, and I chanced across this graphic, in a website #killswitch the film. The graphic draws a contrast between Orwell's 1984 vs. Huxley's Brave New World in the context of Internet freedom.
(Large image so as you can read what's written on it.)
Orwell vs Huxley world (KillSwitchthefilm dot com).png

Reading it, I realised that all of what each of the authors had predicted as per this diagram apparently already had taken place and/or was taking place. That is, not one versus the other at all.
If this was true, then was it evidence of a conspiracy?
Again, arguably, yes, there could seem to be.
But again, being skeptical, I don't think that would necessarily be correct.

It seems to me that there is a melding of Orwell/Huxley ("Huxwellianism"?) religio-political ideology. Whilst it might be possible to get everybody arranged to collaborate on a concerted attack on and breach of the Constitution and its Amendments, the simpler truth might be that that could be far too difficult a thing to achieve.
It might be much more likely that times and events are such that several disparate interests have arisen which have different objectives but a coincidentally common vector.

Or, I suppose, it could still be a conspiracy in fact, but dressed up to make it look like it wasn't a conspiracy!     :D    :D    :D

Either way, my suspicion is that it's beginning to look like Internet freedom is going to be stopped/suppressed, whether we like it or not - as @Renegade suggests in one of the above links. And there's not much we will be able to do about it except protest as it is chopped up limb-by-limb in exemplary fashion in front of us.

As @Renegade put it:
...It's not a conspiracy when it's right out in the open for everyone to see...

FidoNet/SkyNet begin to look like more attractive approaches as each day dawns.
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Living Room / AOL's woes leading to the closure of AIM
« Last post by IainB on March 25, 2012, 06:18 PM »
According to this blog post: AOL kills AIM
Linked to this post: AOL Slashes Staff at AIM Unit; Wider Cuts Expected
Sad to see the decline of a one-time market leader, but I guess they didn't evolve their business model to the changing business environment.

I think I set up my AOL/AIM account in about March 1998, as part of my efforts to become independent of my ISP email account whilst out of the country - the local PTT/Telco (my ISP and email account provider) forced you to use direct dial-up connection or I-Pass to connect to their POP and SMTP servers. They belatedly disabled their SMTP proxy server facility when they realised that people like me were bypassing the artificial constraint and avoiding paying the exhorbitantly expensive connection fees that they had imposed.
They maintained a really greedy and tight marketing control over their customers, which I objected to.
All I wanted was to economically keep in touch via email and voice with family/friends and business contacts whilst working overseas for a few years, so I gathered a bunch of tools - e.g., including AOL, ICQ and SpeakFreely - for that.
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Basic Info
App NameGmail Notes (Sidebar for Firefox only)
App URLhttp://gmailnotes.appspot.com/
App Version ReviewedCurrent free add-on version 1.5 (Gmail Notes)
Test System SpecsKey Features: Some Technical Details - from here.
We're not sure if anyone is interested, but here are some of the technical details behind Gmail Notes.

Gmail Notes became technically feasible when Google released Gmail Version 2 in late 2007. One of the great features in Gmail 2 is that each conversation can be accessed by a persistent URL. More precisely, each Gmail conversation has a unique, persistent identifier that can be mapped into a URL. And that identifier can be easily retrieved from the browser and used as a persistent index for each note. To implement our system, we needed three things:
  • A server to store notes online
  • A way to detect the current Gmail conversation
  • A user interface to display and edit notes
To store notes online, Google provides another excellent resource in the Google App Engine (GAE) framework, which was first released to the public in early 2008. Applications are very easy to develop using the Python programming language. When uploaded to the Google infrastructure, these applications run "in the cloud". The design of the Gmail Notes server application is based on what is called a RESTful architecture, and we also use JSON (javascript object notation) for the data interface. Unfortunately, we can't point to any good working definitions of REST (we think the Wikipedia entry is disappointing) or JSON, but please trust us when we say that adopting these two techniques made the design easy to implement. And with Google App Engine, it was very easy to get a working note server, which, admittedly, is one of the simplest web applications you could write.

As for detecting the current Gmail page, we wrote a browser extension to track the current URL in the address bar. The extensions parses the URL to check if it is a Gmail page and if so, in also extracts the persistent conversation identifier.

The user interface is an html/javascript "web application" that runs in the Firefox sidebar. The information from the browser extension is passed to the sidebar application, which connects to the Gmail Notes server to retrieve notes from the online datastore.

That's all you need to add notes to Gmail. If it is that easy for us, it makes you wonder why the folks at Google won't take a day or two to put their own note feature in Gmail...
Supported OSesFirefox only
Support Methods
  • Built-in feedback system
  • Email
Upgrade PolicyAutomatic free upgrades.
Trial Version Available?Yes. (The production version)
Pricing SchemeFreeware

SCREENSHOT OF APP INTERFACE: the tabbed sidebar
There are 3 tabs:
  • About: about the sidebar and room for feedback.
  • List: List of notes from the server.
  • Note: displays the note for any given email in your Gmail viewing window
Gmail Notes sidebar.jpg

Introduction + Overview: What is Gmail Notes? - from here.
Gmail Notes is a web application for attaching private notes to your Gmail. With Gmail Notes, you can create a note for each conversation in your Gmail account. You can make a note to, for example, summarize the key points in a long conversation thread. Or to outline some thoughts for a follow up email or phone call. For a list of more ways to use Gmail Notes, see our Typical Uses page.

To use Gmail Notes, you start by installing a Firefox extension which places the application in the Firefox sidebar. You can see Gmail Notes in this screenshot. And you can get more info at our Getting Started page.

You can then connect to the Gmail Notes service using your standard Google account name and password. When viewing a Gmail conversation, you can view/edit an existing annotation in the sidebar, or you can create a new one. One note can be saved for each conversation in your Gmail account. The app provides a rich text editor so that you can highlight text, create lists, include links, etc. For more user interface details, including some screenshots, look at our Everyday Use page.

Gmail Notes is not an integrated feature of Gmail, but a separate web application running on the Google Application Engine Framework. So your notes are stored separately from your Gmail data, although they are still in the Google infrastructure. And as a separate system, there are certain things that Gmail Notes cannot do. It cannot, for example, highlight which messages in your inbox have notes attached to them; you can easily do that using labels or Gmail superstars, but you will have to do it manually. There are other limitations listed on our What It Doesn't Do page.

Gmail Notes is a free service open to any Gmail user.

Who this app is designed for: Where Gmail Notes Are Used - from here.
Some people are thrilled to learn about Gmail Notes and can't wait to start using it. Others are left wondering what the big deal is about adding notes to Gmail conversations. If you are in the latter category, and are curious about what we use Gmail Notes for, here are the top dozen or so reasons. In no particular order:
  • Newsgroup digests: (Believe it or not, this is the original reason we developed Gmail Notes.) Many of us receive daily email digests from newsgroups of interest. Each digest might have 2-10 messages, most of which aren't of interest, so most digest emails get deleted. Once in awhile, however, there is something good in a digest that we want to keep it for future reference. By attaching a note to the digest, we can remind ourselves why the digest is important to us and identify the specific messages that are relevant to our interest.
  • Important emails: Just like newsgroup digests, some emails contain "good stuff", that is, information that we can foresee being useful at some point in the future. In those situations, we like to add a note reminding us what is in there that caught our attention.
  • Attachment info: Sometimes email is used to send one or more files from one person to another. In many cases, the sender doesn't do a good job identifying the purpose or describing what the files are and/or why they are sent. So when the subject line says something like "Here it is", we will add a note with more descriptive information, like "Attachment is the template file to use for all new web pages".
  • Downloaded file name/location: And if we download an attachment to a Gmail message, we also like to create a note indicating what folder the file was saved or moved to, and/or if we renamed the file. That helps prevent downloading the same thing multiple times.
  • Login info or hints: When you sign up for some new web service, you typically get a confirmation email and maybe a friendly welcome message. When we get one of those emails, we like to attach a Gmail Note with our login information, or if it is a really sensitive site, a reminder that will let us reconstruct the username and password. (We like attaching that info to our Gmail message so that it goes with us when we change computers.)
  • Summaries of long email threads: Email threads can get very long sometimes. Once there are more than five or so messages in a conversation, we sometimes add a note with a synopsis of the messages to date. That way, when a new message comes in on the same thread, we can get back up to speed quickly.
  • Linking split email threads: Sometimes long email threads get "split" because someone starts a new thread in order to avoid sending a big set of embedded reply messages. (Gmail users don't have this problem, since Gmail collapses previous messages.) Since Gmail assigns a unique and persistent URI to each message thread, we can link two threads together by adding notes to each thread listing the URI to the other thread. Not particularly elegant, but it sure beats losing part of the conversation.
  • Outlining before writing: Sometimes we want to write down some thoughts to review before authoring a new/reply message. Although we could do that as a draft message, we prefer using a note, where we don't have to be careful not to send it by accident. More importantly, with Gmail Notes it is easy to see our outline/notes while we draft the new message. Interestingly, once the Gmail message is sent, we usually do NOT delete the note, because it has some additional information that didn't end up in the message, but we want to keep around for future reference.
  • Doing before writing: In addition to planning the words to put in a reply, we sometimes create a little checklist of things we should do — people to consult with, papers to read, etc. — before drafting our message. Of course there are other task management software programs for this, but we like something that is tied to the email thread.
  • Summaries of phone or in-person discussions: Sometimes, instead of replying to an email message, we call the person so that we can discuss the matter in more detail or more quickly than is possible with email. In those situations, we like to attach a note to the email summarizing the discussions.
  • Incoming fax info: We use a fax-to-email service, so that an incoming fax is sent to us as an attachment to an email. The subject of the fax email only indicates the phone number of the sending fax machine (for example, "fax received from 800-555-1212") and we have to open the attachment to see what the fax. To avoid opening too many files, especially when looking for some particular fax, we attach a note to prompt our memory without having to open the attachment.
  • Tracking ebay shipments: This might seem a little odd, but when one of us buys something on ebay, he likes to keep track of how long it takes for the seller to actually ship the item, and how long it takes the shipper to deliver it. Although this isn't important enough for him to create a spreadsheet, he does record this stuff in a note attached to the "Congratulations" email from ebay. Go figure...
  • Afterthoughts: On more than one occasion, we send an email and an hour later say to ourselves "gee I wish I would have sent this instead". Although we can't do anything about the original email, we attach a note with the better idea, in case we get a chance to reply sometime in the future.
  • Personal reminders: In today's flat world, we don't always know much about the person at the other end of the an email conversation. Sometimes we like to add a note with some personal information, for example, "this came from the guy I met at the last conference who told me about interframe scripting". Although that might be better suited in the Gmail Contacts page, we often put the notation in Gmail Notes first.

The Good:
It works very well, and does what it is designed to do.

Limitations: What Gmail Notes Does NOT Do - from here.
Gmail Notes is called a basic annotation system because it is not an internal feature developed by Google, but instead is implemented by external software that infers the current Gmail conversation from the URL displayed in the Firefox address bar. As such, our app does not have access to your actual Gmail contents. For this reason, Gmail Notes is not, and probably will never be, a slick Web 2.0 application. Nevertheless it does provide a basic annotation feature, which some of us think has been missing from Gmail since the beginning. With that said, there are certain constraints that Gmail Notes users must live with:
  • You can only use Gmail Notes on Firefox browsers versions 3.6 and later. Although we have considered adding support for Gmail Notes on Google Chrome, right now there are no specific plans to do that. (The major obstacle is the limited user interface options available to Chrome extensions.)
  • Because Gmail Notes is a separate service, you must sign into Gmail Notes separately from signing into Gmail. Fortunately, the Gmail Notes sign-in page has a "remember me" option, so you won't have to do this every time on a trusted system.
  • In Gmail "threadlist" views, such as the Inbox, Starred, and Sent Mail pages, there is no way for Gmail Notes to know what conversations are displayed in the current page. For this reason, our software cannot highlight or in any way indicate which items in the list have existing notes. That is why we strongly recommend users manually identify those messages using the Gmail Superstars feature.
  • There is also no way for Gmail Notes to find out when a conversation is deleted. So if you delete a conversation without deleting the note attached to it, that note will essentially be "lost" in the Google cloud.

How it compares to similar apps: Alternatives
See list here: Why don't you just do this [fill in the blank] instead?

Why I think you should use this product:
This tool replaces a sort of "missing link" in Gmail.
My experience from using it in a small way over about 12 months is that it fills a handy niche that cannot otherwise be filled. (See Where Gmail Notes Are Used, above.)
You can make RTF (Rich Text Format) notes related to any specific email/thread. The notes can include (for example) links to Google calendar, Google docs references, or other web sites.

Conclusions:
Very useful for those who could make use of this sort of tool, though usage is evidently low, so maybe not many people can make use of it or need it.(?) (See Gmail Notes reaches 3rd anniversary, below.)

Links to other reviews of this application:
From Gmail Notes blog - here.
March 10, 2012
Gmail Notes reaches 3rd anniversary
So Gmail Notes has been online for over 3 years now, first going live on March 4, 2009. Back then, we considered our app a temporary workaround until Google added the same feature to Gmail themselves. But now, we now wonder if Gmail will ever support private notes for users. Judging by the extremely small number of Gmail Notes users, there just isn't any serious demand for the feature. Here are a few stats to back that up:

  • After 3 years, the Gmail Notes servers are storing 8304 notes created by 1575 users, for an average of 5.3 notes per user.
  • The median, however, is well under 1 note per user, since two-thirds of users (1001) have just a single note in the datastore. Obviously, most people who try Gmail Notes don't continue using it.
  • On a typical day (Feb 29, 2012), 1842 api requests were made from 24 unique users.
  • And in the past 30 days, 163 unique users have signed in to Gmail Notes.
(FYI, there is also one Gmail Notes "business" user that pays for an extended quota, but their data are not included in the above stats.)

This low usage is surprising to us since, as the app authors, we cannot imagine using Gmail without notes. Nonetheless, we are glad that only a few people use Gmail Notes, because that allows us to continue providing the service at no cost. So although we originally implemented Gmail Notes as a temporary substitute for a Google-provided notes feature, we now expect that our app will be around for a looooong time...
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The Guardian has a sometimes very funny/clever cartoon strip - The Stephen Collins cartoon.
This one is a spoof of Independence Day, about the rise of governments full of people who have never done a day's real work - Guardian cartoon
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Living Room / Re: When are modern Terms of Service going to change?
« Last post by IainB on March 20, 2012, 05:55 PM »
December 22nd of 2013 at 0824hrs.
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General Software Discussion / Re: SCRIBUS - Open Source Desktop Publishing
« Last post by IainB on March 20, 2012, 12:21 AM »
I have also downloaded and installed Scribus from the link @40hz gave.
It looks pretty good, but I've not had much time to play with it so far.
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Living Room / Re: Britannica - would you buy it on (say) Kindle or Nook?
« Last post by IainB on March 20, 2012, 12:11 AM »
Well, I don't see many options to put onto the tablet.
I meant the post in the conditional sense. The original title was "would you", so I inferred that this was purely hypothetical.
OK, what I meant was: IF it were a Samsung or (say) just a generic tablet, THEN I still don't see many options to put onto the tablet.
Britannica, Wikipedia...or?
Those are the only options I can think of - I don't know the market all that well.

So, you might find that you were stuck with (say) Britannica as your only real option - for an authoritative "knowledge base" or encyclopaedia - regardless of the tablet brand.(?)
You would also have the issue of whether the K-base was in a proprietary or "Open" format, and I'm pretty sure it would be proprietary for DRM control.
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Living Room / Re: RIAA chief: ISPs to start policing copyright by July 12
« Last post by IainB on March 19, 2012, 11:30 PM »
+1 for what 40hz said.
That's the only way CAMRA in the UK got a change in direction from the big brewing combines. Boycott. Stop buying their beer.
It worked.
The combines unilaterally decided to start shutting down small batch-production breweries that made some beautiful-tasting real (natural and uncarbonated) ales, because they were not profitable like their flow-production units (which produced relatively bland-tasting carbonated beers).
This severely limited consumer choice. British beer-drinkers are fussy about their beers ... and so formed CAMRA (CAMpaign for Real Ale).
Within a year, the combines realised that beer drinkers were systematically boycotting their sales when their turnover and profits fell, and their share prices dropped.
So the small breweries (which had mostly been mothballed) were quickly started up again, and the ales were sold at a higher price to enable a profit.
Result: everybody happy.
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Well, I downloaded the proggy and the hijack from Codeplex, and I didn't notice any "options" for getting the hijack during install.
By the looks of things, neither did any of the people posting in the Mozilla Help forum on this subject.

After @wraith808's suggestion that I post to Codeplex, I registered there, then registered and at the Mozilla forum also.
When I tried to post to Codeplex (after registering/confirmation), I just could not get in. After messing about for ages, I decided that they must have a broken/moronic front end on the sign-in page, and, not wishing to waste any more time on the matter I abandoned the attempt.
After that, I successfully made a post to the Mozilla Help/Support forum.

Google Books Downloader Website is at http://www.gbooksdownloader.com/. I thought CodePlex is for hosting .Net programs only. I guess not.
The installer has an opt out option though. Select 'custom' installation and deselect "arccosine". Sneaky, I know.
As for the program itself... it does download complete books (the free ones) and can convert them to other formats then just .pdf.
Btw, when I try to go to the CodePlex page I get a message about security certificate errors. Also, the installer is not digitally signed.
Yes, well, evidently I didn't get the download from gbooksdownloader.com. I am disgusted by this in any event, because packing a scam hijack into a download either with or without a warning is categorically wrong in my book.

EDIT: Against my better judgement (I have wasted far too much time on this subject already), I have also emailed the contact point at the Google Books Downloader Website at http://www.gbooksdownloader.com/
Thanks for providing their link.
Yes, I know GBD outputs into other formats too, but I wasn't doing a review of the product and so omitted to mention its other features. All I was interested in was the .PDF output.
Anyway, I think I can guarantee that, after this experience, I shall never knowingly use this nor any product they might be peddling in the future.

Yours,
        Disgusted.
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Did you post a comment/report the project?  Because the source that's checked in pretty much does nothing, so its a misdirection...

I'm posting something about the source, but as I don't have experience with the binary, wouldn't post that.  I'd suggest going to http://googlebookdow.../releases/view/84266 and posting your experiences...
Thanks! Good idea. I hadn't thought of doing that, supposing Codeplex to be a Wild West Frontier. Could be useful to others, I suppose.
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you forgot to upload the image attachment : :(
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-Stephen66515 (March 19, 2012, 06:21 PM)
Crikey, that was fast!
Five nanoseconds after I had posted it!     ;D
Fixed now. Thanks.
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Just a quick warning about this.
I'm using Firefox 12.0 ß, but this problem may also occur with IE (according to a Mozilla Support thread, referred to below).

Out of interest, I downloaded and installed Google Books Downloader, having seen a reference to it in a blog post (Codeplex daily summary - http://www.codeplex.com/) in my feed aggregator.
The download site is/was: https://googlebookdo.../releases/view/84266

The proggie did what it claimed to do - copied previews of books to .PDF - which unfortunately wasn't of much use as you are still frustrated  by Google's removing pages from all previews.

Then I noticed that my home page and also my default Google search page had been hijacked by a search page which was imitating Google, with a pretty seascape background (see copy in spoiler):
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Screenshot - 2012-03-20 , 10_46_15.png

The ruddy thing wouldn't go away.

So, I de-installed Google Books Downloader and googled the problem, coming up with a useful Mozilla Support thread at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/850780

The hijack is persistent and comes from the website 'arccosine.com' and wants you to "sign up" for something.
I did a 'Whois' on arccosine.com, and it is hosted in the Russian Federation. (That figures.)

Fix:
I deleted all references to "arccosine" (i.e., 2x "C"s) and "arcosine" in history, just in case.
I checked in the 'about:config' entry for 'keyword.URL' and reset that back to "Default" - it had been set to 'arccosine.com,q=' by the hijack proggie Google Books Downloader (in the discussion thread someone writes that if you examine the proggie's code, you can see where it does that).

Hope this helps someone to avoid the thing.
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General Software Discussion / Re: SCRIBUS - Open Source Desktop Publishing
« Last post by IainB on March 18, 2012, 10:09 PM »
The Scribus link above seems to go to what Malwarebytes tells me is a malware IP address, so I didn't check it out.
The link to the official Scribus site here has a greenlight from WOT on my machine.
Ah. Thanks for that @40hz.
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General Software Discussion / Re: SCRIBUS - Open Source Desktop Publishing
« Last post by IainB on March 18, 2012, 08:29 PM »
There's a very nice review/summary here: Scribus 1.4.0 in a nutshell (from libregraphicsworld.org/)
including
What to expect in the future:
 (see attachment in previous post)
These links.
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Living Room / Re: As a counter-point to the SOPA/PIPA demonstration
« Last post by IainB on March 18, 2012, 03:49 PM »
Rumour that there's a New "KeystoneCops" feaure film being made in New Zealand:
Megaupload Seizure Order “Null and Void” Says High Court
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Megaupload Seizure Order “Null and Void” Says High Court
In another astonishing development in the Megaupload saga, a judge in New Zealand’s High Court has declared the order used to seize Kim Dotcom’s assets as “null and void”. The blunder, which occurred because the police applied for the wrong type of court order, means that the Megaupload founder could have his property returned.

Just when it seemed that the handling of the Megaupload case couldn’t get any more controversial, a development from New Zealand has taken things to the next level.

Following the raids on Kim Dotcom’s mansion in January, police seized millions of dollars worth of property belonging to the Megaupload founder. But thanks to a police blunder, he could now see all of those assets returned.

On Friday, Justice Judith Potter in the High Court declared the order used to seize Dotcom’s property “null and void” after it was discovered that the police had acted under a court order that should have never been granted.

The error dates back to January when the police applied for the order granting them permission to seize Dotcom’s property. Rather than applying for an interim restraining order, the Police Commissioner applied for a foreign restraining order instead, one which did not give Dotcom a chance to mount a defense.

According to New Zealand Herald, on January 30th prosecution lawyer Anne Toohey wrote to the court explaining that the wrong order had been applied for and detailed five errors with the application.

Justice Potter said that police commissioner Peter Marshall tried to correct the error by applying for the correct order after the raids were completed and retrospectively adding the items already seized.

Although the correct order was eventually granted albeit on a temporary basis, Potter said she will soon rule on whether the “procedural error” will result in Dotcom having his property returned.

The Crown is arguing that since the new order was granted the earlier error no longer matters, but Dotcom’s legal team framed it rather differently by describing the seizure of assets as “unlawful”.

Whether the assets are returned will rest on Dotcom’s legal team showing a lack of “good faith” in connection with the blunder. A hearing to decide if the assets will be returned will take place next week.

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General Software Discussion / Re: SCRIBUS - Open Source Desktop Publishing
« Last post by IainB on March 18, 2012, 09:33 AM »
Pagemaker was very good - probably because Adobe didn't write it! it was originally written by Aldus and bought by Adobe.
-Carol Haynes (March 18, 2012, 08:37 AM)
Ah. That's right. I would have used PageMaker in about 1985 (not sure exactly) - I forget whether it was Aldus or Adobe then.

Did you manage to get to the Scribus link above?
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General Software Discussion / Re: SCRIBUS - Open Source Desktop Publishing
« Last post by IainB on March 18, 2012, 08:23 AM »
When I trialled it - a while back now - Ragtime 5 seemed to be unstable (crashed) and was thus not very useful.
In terms of a really good DTP (Desktop Publishing Tool), I have to admit that I always reckoned Adobe PageMaker on the Mac was the best out.
The Scribus link above seems to go to what Malwarebytes tells me is a malware IP address, so I didn't check it out.
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Living Room / Re: Britannica - would you buy it on (say) Kindle or Nook?
« Last post by IainB on March 16, 2012, 10:29 AM »
Well, I don't see many options to put onto the tablet.
Britannica, Wikipedia...or?
Britannica store prices are here: http://store.britann...collections/software
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Living Room / Re: Britannica - would you buy it on (say) Kindle or Nook?
« Last post by IainB on March 16, 2012, 12:25 AM »
I think part of that might be a little more complex than it appears on surface study.
Hahaha. Yep. Understatement of the week.
I was trying to simplify it as "just a process" in concept, but I have no idea what the mind is doing or how it does it whilst going through the process - always assuming that it can be defined as a process in the first place, of course.
I'm not sure whether we really could improve on the efficiency/efficacy of the "books spread around you on the floor" approach anyway.
When I was in college I had the good fortune to take a course taught by Bernard Lonergan...
Wow. You were lucky to have that. Thanks for the links!      :Thmbsup:

I bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 to read books on. I can read PDFs or ePUBs or whatever.
...
I am very happy with being able to read my books without worrying about whether or not they will work tomorrow.
Well then, it's "Knowledge base-on-a-generic tablet" then, with the tablet more likely to be a Samsung Galaxy if it's the best "unlocked" device to use.
The only trouble is, there aren't that many ready-made "authoritative" knowledge bases (encyclopaedias) that you can install - are there? So does that mean we would be stuck with Britannica on the Samsung Galaxy?
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