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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 08, 2020, 01:20 PM »
I did read the Trilium website,  and looked at the pictures.
Quite a lot of things put me off trying it.
The emphasis on scripting suggested that I wasn't part of its target market.
Database instead of files.
Syntax.
Overstretched developer.
Looks. I'd probably write look and feel if I had actually felt it.
Lack of mobile version or confidence in one coming.

At one time I would have considered it more deeply,  but Obsidian is a good fit for me. File based, so I can use other programs and don't have to worry about export. Syntax that's easy to write. Experienced professional developers who seem to be working well within themselves and, I'm sure,  have a financial plan and already have a successful program. Developing fast and mobile should be here by year end (and they're not Scrivener,  so target dates have been met so far). Always possible they take it in a direction I dislike,  but then I still have all my files.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 07, 2020, 06:09 PM »
I think I'll have a look at Notable
-Dormouse (July 07, 2020, 02:30 PM)
Does at least include wiki-links since the developer was talked into allowing it.

Another program that has one pane glaring, unless I hide the whole pane.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 07, 2020, 02:30 PM »
noteless
-panzer (July 07, 2020, 12:06 PM)
So this is an Android version of Notable. Which is a recently closed source markdown app for Windows. I think I'll have a look at Notable, despite its hating wysiwyg, but I'm not so keen on installing apps through the app. Interesting.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 07, 2020, 04:31 AM »
the features in this one are a lot more polished from what I've seen so far.
-wraith808 (July 06, 2020, 09:57 PM)
Useful to know that,  thanks.
It's not something I wanted to test for myself.
My impression was that Foam had more ambition for the future.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 06, 2020, 06:42 PM »
I don't actually spend much time in Obsidian yet, but its existence has enabled a major workflow shift.
Partly that's simply using markdown documents, and I was getting there anyway.
Mostly it's because it has made it easy to use WriteMonkey for nearly all of my writing (well, a lot is on Android but ends up in WriteMonkey; and Obsidian). I'll need to dig up the old workflow diagrams to look at the difference, though I'm not sure they'll reflect the extent of the experienced change.
Virtually everything can be in documents. All the fancy and bitty stuff goes into Obsidian. And WriteMonkey works on those parts that count as writing. The writing itself isn't the major part of writing - that's planning, researching,   organising, revising,  reviewing, editing, polishing,  as well as everything related to publishing - but a comfortable environment for that makes a huge difference. Previously I wrote in a wide range of programs. Some of that was required, some was because I adapted easily, but mostly it was because the very different bitty needs of different projects pushed for this program,  then that, and the other. And there's none of that now.  ;D
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 06, 2020, 04:16 PM »
Semilattice on iOS
They don't stop coming
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 06, 2020, 04:48 AM »
The file name will also need at least one letter. Number only gives problems too.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 05, 2020, 07:55 AM »
afaics most users have little awareness of sampling bias when looking at their graphs. I won't be tempted to use them until I can use sophisticated queries.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 05, 2020, 07:48 AM »
I like how Zettlr has the preview sort of built into the main editor
-superboyac (July 02, 2020, 05:43 PM)
I notice that many zettlr users have problems transitioning to other programs because filename isn't the same as the note name
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 03, 2020, 07:39 PM »
I'm not sure what they'll do when they hit capacity limits
-Dormouse (July 03, 2020, 04:40 PM)
Thinking about it, the WriteMonkey route would fit current design, and they could offer option for database in json format + linked files.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 03, 2020, 04:40 PM »
One of the things I like is that programs like Foam and Obsidian work with files,  but function like databases. I'm not sure what they'll do when they hit capacity limits, but I'm sure they'll do something. I doubt I'll be in the first half users hitting such limits,  so I'm confident the problem will be tackled by the time I get there.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on July 03, 2020, 04:36 PM »
All these programs are developing and changing rapidly.
I'm avoiding getting too stuck in a particular workflow or program. Stuff will change. Today's deal breaker is tomorrow's dead bug, in some programs at least.

I'm concentrating on the bits that will endure: documents, folders, project organisation, links and tags.
Working out fuzzy tags was a big step forward for me. Working out the project/folder organisation is another.
Fixing on [[]] whatever programs do is another. I'm sure they will follow in due course if they're not already there. Could do without the markdown mafia  - this is about programs that revolve around links not about markdown.
Current focus is on which programs will do what,  given they are all working on the same folders. I'm sticking with Obsidian for now,  but don't need to use it most of the time so long as I conform to its syntax.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 26, 2020, 07:08 PM »
conflation
-wraith808 (June 26, 2020, 04:59 PM)
But it specifically talks about being inspired by Roam and zettelkasten. What other category would it go in?
It may not be trying to compete, in which case it won't.
I don't think Obsidian is out to compete either because it's approach is very different,  but it's certainly in a similar space and users compare them.  And they have mentioned Foam.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 26, 2020, 12:55 PM »
Both?  Why not both?

Personally, I use both Obsidian and VS code with the extensions.
-wraith808 (June 26, 2020, 10:23 AM)
No reason not both, except that those who don't use VS Code or Git are unlikely to add them just to run Foam, unless they have a strong motivation.  I think that will limit its pool of potential users.

It will be interesting to see if they have a solution to the much desired block link feature in Roam. That's a pool of users (want block links and outliner design, unwilling to pay anything like $15pm) that doesn't have a good fit at the moment. Not that I have tried all the burgeoning options.

My view is that Roam is in it long-term because its raised the money and has the hype. Also Obsidian because it has experienced developers and a different core user pool. I can see Foam making it too, because its user pool can be differentiated and is likely to be firmly supportive if it works well enough. And there's space for a cheaper Roam; preferably local database with cloud sync. Everything depending on successful implementation.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 26, 2020, 04:53 AM »
That's not a different one.  It's used by Foam.

Recommended Extensions for Foam
-wraith808 (June 25, 2020, 09:47 PM)
Aha!
I see it now. Obsidian sits over md files, this sits over VS Code and its extensions. Clever.
Apart from the allusion,  I'm unsure what the name is saying. "Sitting above the dirty Tiber"?

Assuming it's functional enough,  I can see it being popular with all the VS Code and Git users, and those who dislike Obsidian being closed source.

But possibly overkill in its requirements for those who aren't.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 25, 2020, 04:12 PM »
So, general question about Zettels- do you maintain more than one for different aspects?  Or just break up stuff within based on tags and folders?
-wraith808 (June 25, 2020, 09:02 AM)
I don't see myself as having zettels, though my system is heavily influenced,  as are all the newly available programs.

Ideally, I would have one only  - and may do that ultimately.
Everything is dependent on the technology.

I have sets of folders for my writing, but all within the one Obsidian vault. Only separated to make them easier to access with other programs.

I may have a separate vault for files I need to keep secure. Or don't want to back up online &etc. I haven't worked this out yet. I'd prefer to have them together,  but security matters more. Depends on what I decide is the best solution.

If I'd gone with Roam,  my writing would be outside as would chunks of the other notes and documents.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 25, 2020, 03:51 PM »
built on Visual Studio Code and GitHub:
-panzer (June 25, 2020, 06:36 AM)
This seems to be a little similar another one

Stunning how many there are popping up
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 25, 2020, 06:14 AM »
Markdown has the option to tag, highlight, and comment as well? Wow! That I need to try out. Through, I would very much prefer a menu bar for this, probably mainly because that is what I am used to since a long time.
-m9833 (June 25, 2020, 04:35 AM)
Variety of conventions so best to know what is actually being inserted,  but menu bar is easier and many apps have one.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 25, 2020, 04:06 AM »
All I am missing there are tags, highlighters, and comments
-m9833 (June 25, 2020, 03:15 AM)
You just type these in with markdown  ;D
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 25, 2020, 04:03 AM »
Has anybody managed to integrate/use a spellchecker with it.
-m9833 (June 25, 2020, 03:18 AM)
Latest insider build has a spellchecker (US English only), a few glitches still being sorted.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 25, 2020, 04:01 AM »
What I don't like about all this zettel stuff is how its so much in the programmer's world of things.  Meaning all these code formatting features.  But I'm looking at it from a non programmer perspective.  I'd prefer to have outlining features over code formatting features.  I'm sure it (markdown) can be resolved somehow.  Maybe distinguish the <tab> character vs spaces. 
-superboyac (June 24, 2020, 06:59 PM)
As you know, I'm not a fan of the state of markdown. But the tab paragraph indentation is more nuanced. Writers generally don't use it. WPs may be set up to do it automatically, because seeing the words and layout is part of composition, but manually is bad. Easy if you are writing a letter or essay to print yourself, but poor practice. This is because house styles are usually set up and adjusted with CSS or equivalent. So manual tabs get in the way and always need to be stripped out. Life is always easier at the publishing end without them. But few use the styles features of WPs.  :( Tabs are typewriter technology; a breakthrough in their time,  but that was over a century ago.

Outlines, of course, are usually constructed with bullets.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 24, 2020, 04:20 PM »
I didnt realize until now that markdown couldn't do indentation.  That would be nice if it were implemented.  It's not even in any of the other markdown flavors?
-superboyac (June 24, 2020, 01:27 PM)
Used for other things (code block). You're stuck with &nbsp;&nbsp; etc
depending on how many you want to add.

The idea is that markdown isn't meant for layout, and paragraph indent is layout. So that should be in the CSS.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 24, 2020, 04:12 AM »
don't get what evergreen notes are.  Is there a sample I can see somewhere?
-superboyac (June 23, 2020, 11:46 AM)
Description again,  but I read this comment on the Obsidian discord
Zettels as Luhman/Ahrens use them are specific things. Zettlekasten.de uses another definition, and now the term is often thrown around to just mean "note". Read Ahrens' book for his notion and compare to Andy M's description of types of evergreen notes. They have different purposes and focus. The original ZK is for academic writing. Andy M's notes are for productive thinking. These are related but different activities.

PS I disagree with his characterisation of Luhmann. Academic writing, yes, but also about new, personal ideas.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 23, 2020, 08:36 PM »
Is it a problem if I DON'T put my tags in the yaml header?
-superboyac (June 23, 2020, 04:38 PM)
Why would it be?
Obsidian doesn't recognise YAML at all. Might be added at some point, but it's not a universal feature.
Does feel neater to have them hidden though.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« Last post by Dormouse on June 23, 2020, 01:15 PM »
https://notes.andymatuschak.org/
(very cool site design btw)
but i don't get what evergreen notes are. 
-superboyac (June 23, 2020, 11:46 AM)
These are his notes,  so many of them are evergreen.
I wouldn't worry too much about it. All it really means is that they are notes that have a long-term value rather than temporary notes. Which notes ticks that box is up to you.
He developed his system after playing with zettelkasten ideas.
But you want your own system. Some of his ideas are interesting and useful,  but I believe it's always a mistake to follow any of these systems rigidly without fitting their ideas into what suits you.
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