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Living Room / Re: Web Essay: Never trust a corporation to do a library's job
« Last post by wraith808 on January 29, 2015, 10:53 PM »you could have stopped with "Never trust a corporation," truth be told...
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Everything people have said about subscriptions is based upon zero information and much speculation.-wraith808 (January 28, 2015, 04:47 PM)
Not quite true, although it is entirely speculation (and highly unlikely) at this point.-40hz (January 29, 2015, 08:21 AM)
It does raise the question though of how they're going to make money off of consumers and small businesses if there would be no subscription. If it's not the OS that has the subscription, then the software it runs does (MS Office etc.), or it's a walled garden to which developers have to pay through the teeth to access it. Or they would need to make their money on the hardware (equivalent of Apple's various devices, especially phones and tablets), and then periodically make the hardware obsolete by new OS upgrades. But this last one somehow failed to take off for MS...-dr_andus (January 29, 2015, 10:38 AM)
The youtube versions are still processing...-wraith808 (January 28, 2015, 10:49 PM)
Both of them told me "This video has been removed because it is too long."
I guess you need to upload more (<10 minute) videos to have that restriction removed.-Deozaan (January 29, 2015, 01:01 AM)
The youtube versions are still processing...-wraith808 (January 28, 2015, 10:49 PM)
Both of them told me "This video has been removed because it is too long."
I guess you need to upload more (<10 minute) videos to have that restriction removed.-Deozaan (January 29, 2015, 01:01 AM)
They've had free upgrades before...-wraith808 (January 28, 2015, 08:16 PM)
I don't seem to recall any 'free' full version upgrades that weren't purchased as part of a "free upgrade" guarantee offer. (i.e. "Shop with confidence! Buy now - and get a 'free' upgrade to Windows XX when it's released later this year...") What did I miss?why assume that it's anything different than what the policy has always been?-wraith808 (January 28, 2015, 08:16 PM)
AFAIK, Microsoft's policy has always been: copies of Windows are never ever to be given away for free. Period. Everyone must pay something to get one. So in this instance, I think this marks a truly major departure from Microsoft's long standing "NO FREEBIES!" rule.
Did you see something that says otherwise?-40hz (January 28, 2015, 08:37 PM)
As with a lot of things... there's FUD clouding the issue.-wraith808 (January 28, 2015, 04:47 PM)
Yes, except this time they are doing it to themselves...My point is that MS introducing so much uncertainty may have created the opposite effect they wanted to achieve, i.e. people may be more inclined to stick with their Win7 instead (or even go out and buy a retail pack - at least looking at Amazon UK, people still seem to be buying them, even though it's 60 pounds (!) more expensive now than what I paid for it exactly 2 yrs ago).
-dr_andus (January 28, 2015, 05:37 PM)
Again, in that case I might just want to stick with my Win7 disk for a while, in the face of all this uncertainty about the details (which even businesses do not tend to like). Wouldn't it just have been easier if they'd revealed a bit more detail and put our minds at ease??-dr_andus (January 28, 2015, 04:16 PM)
@wraith808: OK, just out of interest, that's how many times now that you have been censured for making unfunny jokes?
Some people (not me, you understand) might say that there could be a message in there, but I couldn't possibly comment.-IainB (January 28, 2015, 10:58 AM)
How do you fit a thousand dead babies into one barrel?-wraith808 (January 25, 2015, 05:42 PM)
I know this is just a joke--I'm not at all offended by it, nor am I complaining that you posted it--but I just didn't find it even remotely humorous, and I tend to find humor in morbid things.-Deozaan (January 26, 2015, 05:15 PM)
thanks for the report! so it's not just Dead Island with parkour?-lanux128 (January 27, 2015, 09:26 PM)
^^ That sort of grisly humour reminds me of this, which I think I posted to this thread to much acclaim, some time back:
(see attachment in previous post)
For those who might not get it, it's a rather clever spoof of the horror movie "Mary's Baby".-IainB (January 27, 2015, 05:01 AM)
But that wasn't the way that the Windows 8 upgrade was handled for the same purpose. I received media to install.-wraith808 (January 26, 2015, 08:13 PM)
Yes. But you either bought a new PC within the "qualifies for free upgrade to Windows 8" timeframe - or you paid money to get it.-40hz (January 26, 2015, 08:48 PM)
Late to the game, I know, but looks like the website FAQ says the license is valid forever, as long as you don't make over $1 million USD per year. Can't find anywhere on the site that spells out details in the EULA, so maybe that's the sticky point?-Edvard (January 26, 2015, 09:09 PM)
I wouldn't think you'd have to install it to get the upgrade, nor have zero media. Why not get the upgrade, and just not install it?-wraith808 (January 26, 2015, 03:15 PM)
Oh, can that be done? I thought there would be some activation code or licence that expires?-dr_andus (January 26, 2015, 04:00 PM)
I'm guessing they'll handle it through the same mechanism they use for their Anytime Upgrade. It'll probably read your ID and activation info, and update their customer database so they know you requested the upgrade - and then irrevocably move you up to 10 - after which you likely won't ever be able to downgrade to (or reactivate) Windows 7. Even if you have disks. If you need system backups or want machine specific restoration disks, you'll have to make them using the recovery tools already built into Windows. Just like you can now.
Seriously. This will be a one-way corridor you'll have to contractually agree (via the EULA) to walk down. The primary reason they're doing this "for free" is to get you off Windows 7, regardless of whatever other reasons they may also have. And they intend to do it once and for all when they do. No repeating that XP holdout debacle.
Microsoft may be clueless at times. But they're not stupid.-40hz (January 26, 2015, 06:55 PM)
I wouldn't think you'd have to install it to get the upgrade, nor have zero media. Why not get the upgrade, and just not install it?-wraith808 (January 26, 2015, 03:15 PM)
Oh, can that be done? I thought there would be some activation code or licence that expires?-dr_andus (January 26, 2015, 04:00 PM)
As for the free upgrade, I will probably wait until the last week of the 11th month to see all the feedback on the bugs and issues etc., whether it's really worth it or better to stick with Win7 (unless the early feedback will be really amazing). But to be honest, all I heard so far is that they bring back features for which there are already better 3rd party tools anyway (like the Start menu), so I'm not seeing yet the fabulous benefits of upgrading.-dr_andus (January 26, 2015, 03:11 PM)
