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Back in the day, when I used it, there were a few nice features not as easily available in other software - but I used other programs more of the time. Always masses of potential, but never realised. Last I remember, he was talking about optimising it for use with photos from phones.

This time, I just opened a jpg and went straight for Pro functions.
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I notice that Rob hasn't signed in to his forum since February. So another protracted disappearance. I also notice that his new forum only ever gained 41 registered users, including you - might have been a bit dispiriting when he'd put the effort in to setting it all up again. It's very sad because there will be reasons for it and it's great software - but no way you can rely on it being supported or updated.

That said, I took the risk and downloaded the free version - which did work as it should (W10, no compatibility modes). So I've got no idea why it wouldn't work for you. I'd suggest that you uninstall the program and hunt down and clean any vestiges of previous installs and then install the free version again.
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I suspect it could be adequately handled by XML
If XML were a contender markdown et freres would never have been invented.

The number of commands most people need is small, it's just that markdown doesn't include them all, and some of its choices are distinctly odd and hard to use. Apart from other features which presumably fitted Gruber's original idea of purpose and target users, but aren't wanted by most WP users.
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Could you perhaps post your thoughts on some Obsidian forum to see if someone can validate your approach?
With any particular outcome in mind?

Problem is that the Obsidian forums aren't great at analysis.
And this is an issue only to a tiny minority (possibly only me).
I would have expected more informed responses when I first raised the issue if more informed responses were to be had. And no comment from developers at all.
I have a few more tests to do, and recheck on the latest version, and then I'll probably put a small post on the forum in case anyone else is ever interested.

I mentioned it here as a follow-on to my post explaining my change of direction, to indicate that there were simpler methods of managing it. Certainly it makes it easier for me to continue using Obsidian for most notes, but does nothing to move me from Frankenstein.

Which had advantages anyway. I worked out how to do multi-coloured highlights in markdown fairly easily, but simply using RTF is easier still and it is only a temporary stage for me, not the final document. At some point, I'm sure someone will come up with a better form of plaintext for the average word processor user. It will give up document management and document styling features (the latter are rarely used by most, and the former are little used by the average user) ave but keep the text control and styling. It will give up code blocks. Maybe it will be called marktext.
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“aspiration to achieve omniscience.”
Nothing wrong with that. Just one end of a spectrum. The better end usually.
With total ignorance being the midpoint, and being wrong about everything at the other end.
Life makes it hard for anyone to maintain a comfortable ignorance, which leaves you with a choice of directions.
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General Software Discussion / Deleting contents of ObsidianCache
« Last post by Dormouse on November 19, 2020, 03:44 PM »
I've now established that deleting (or moving) contents of ObsidianCache has no effect on Obsidian's memory for the existence of previously opened vaults or their location. They still open as normal (presumably recreating the ObsidianCache file from the files).

Changing the name of the Vault folder loses the memory of that vault and changing it back after Obsidian has been closed does not restore it. Presumably one of the other cache files stores names and locations of available vaults from the last session, and there's a check for their continued existence.

So deleting the vaults I want to keep secure from ObsidianCache should be sufficient for my purpose.
Only aggravation is having to check individually the cache names against the vault names.
Assuming I understand what's going on well enough.
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Why do we write and write and curate and write?
Virtually all the money I've ever earned has depended on my writing. Curating too.
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it seemed that all files were in the Obsidian folder, i.e. if I created files in VS Code, Obsidian seemed to pick it up and pick up the changes if I had both open
It will still do this, and the files themselves are just as they were and in the same location.

I apparently (a) haven't  kept up with Obsidian changes, or (b) was just unaware that it stored other files in other locations.
The big change came, I believe, in 0.8.7 when some files were switched from the vault folder to a system folder. Originally described as some data, and more recently as metadata, the amount stored has steadily increased as features have been added.

I'd prefer files alone, but I don't object to  this in principle. I would have wanted detailed disclosure and much preferred the approach of keeping this 'metadata' in the vault folders.
I might investigate what happens if I leave the system folder where it is but just move the vault 'metadata' for vaults I want to keep secure to an encrypted space (moving it back when I want to access that vault).

The big hit is to my confidence in the developers. I was anticipating subscribing to their Sync service when it came out (e2e encryption, secure cloud) - don't need it but I'd rather contribute if I'm using it a lot - but there's no way I'd trust their implementation now.

I might just go ahead and uninstall it as it's sort of withered on the vine in my workflow.
No obvious reason why not, if you don't use it.

I like the way transclusions work.
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@Dormouse- that's a no-brainer for me too.  It's one of the reasons that I stopped depending on Obsidian pretty quickly, and moved over to the Frankenstein model that I have (Using Foam and Memo extensions).  But the plugins with Visual Studio Code has been working really well for me.  I wish that I had the ability to embed references- it's one thing that would have solved some issues I've had.  But it has worked out fine, especially with previews inline.

As you know, I have a much more nuanced approach to databases.
I'm OK with Writemonkey 3 with its coterminous files. I have my data in files and the extra features that come from the database (which include, I assume, its very good folding). Most writing programs have some sort of database; some also have files and some save much of the data in files.

But the Writemonkey approach to the database is far superior to that in Obsidian:
It's explicit that everything is in a database, with coterminous files being a selectable option.
The location of the database can be changed.
You can have more than one database.
You can run more than one instance at the same time.
This makes it easy to have a tiered approach to privacy and security.
Even so there are still some reports etc I wouldn't use Writemonkey for.

Obsidian has never been totally clear about what is saved where. Some is saved in the vault folder. But a large part has been moved to a json in a system folder.
It talks about vaults, and how every fault is totally separate, but then the data from every vault is in the same system folder in readable format.
It seems hard coded to only look at one location. If it's empty it writes another set.
And it has just announced saved searches. So a reiteration of the same question in my head - 'What is saved, where?'. I'm sure the answer will be that central json, but I'll have to run a few searches and do a file check to see exactly what's there. And will only be quick because I will know what I'm looking for and can do a search.
For me, it's straightforward poor design and not thinking through the implications of choices. Fixing a small immediate problem - today easier, tomorrow harder, and just don't think about next week.

Most of the immediate problems can be overcome. I control what I use it for. I can remove and encrypt the system file between uses (though that would always irritate me). And I can to a detailed test of every update (though they are weekly, more or less; I think I'll make it less going forward, updating is starting to feel too much effort for a small gain).
The big question about any developing software is where it's going to end up and how confident you can be about both quality and direction. This is where I now favour your Frankenstein model, though my version may look completely different to yours. Obsidian might be some part of it, maybe.
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And for anyone using VS code, I just found a new model built on top of it - Dendron (https://www.dendron.so/).  I can't say too much about it yet, but I'm definitely going to take a look to see what's different between that and the others.
It's designed to have a strong hierarchy, reflecting a folder structure.

Didn't suit me, even if I had been willing to use VSCode.
I'm OK with opening VSCode for one purpose and then closing it again, but that wouldn't suit any Note app.
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OK. Things have moved on swiftly since my last post and my Plan B has now become Plan A.

I said that I considered Obsidian's block reference method a hack. Not using it meant that it didn't affect me, but it was still something I noted.

I was prompted a few days ago to take a look at exactly what data Obsidian was storing and where it was stored. In the Discord it was stated that data was stored in the vault, but actually most is stored in systems folders predominantly, on Windows, in Appdata\Roaming\ObsidianCache which contains .json files for every vault that has been opened. The .json contains the names of all files in the vault, plus headings, and links - in plain sight. A user might encrypt the vaults themselves but this information would remain easily read.

(This can be dealt with by simply deleting the obsidian file in Roaming every time the program is closed - it will just rebuild it when it is opened again. Presumably there will be a speed penalty which will become noticeable with very large vaults.)

I assume that starting Obsidian calls or creates these files, which are used to provide fast access to items that can be linked. This allows fast responses without having to load the full content of files into memory. JIT method.

When I first used Obsidian all information was kept in the vault. The switch to the system folders came in 0.8.7 and was apparently to address problems with sync programs.

I also noted that one of the recent plugins deleted user data before it was updated to address the issue. Plugins are optional but regarded as a central feature of Obsidian's design.

I drew a number of conclusions.
  • Until this is fixed, which I assume it will be, there is a potential security issue for any user who puts private information in file names or headings, unless they are confident of the security of their computer.
  • The method was chosen without any thought to possible security implications, despite a thread on the forum where a number of users were finding ways to circumvent employers restrictions on installing software so that they could install and use Obsidian on work computers (this would increase their risk if their computer were audited).
  • Together with the block reference methodology, my confidence in the expertise of the developer has reduced.
  • The developer seems to be responding to pressure to increase the number of features which would only work well in a database. Given that a large proportion of the posting community seems to be made of students, many of whom were either previous users of Roam or aware of its features but not keen to pay Roam's price, I would conclude that this is the group driving the direction of travel.
  • I see Obsidian currently as being a partial database with linked files. afaics it will end up as a full database program with associated files. They are discussing ways of saving folds between sessions, and it's hard to see how that can be done without a database. The argument will go 'we already have quite a large partial database, what would be lost if we move to a full database model?' and I think that's true. I now see Obsidian as a database program rather than a files based program  - I had assumed that this type of stuff was only in a cache which disappeared when the program was closed.

Since I don't want another database program, and since my needs aren't closely concordant to students, it seems likely that it will diverge further and further from something that works for me. So no longer Plan A, just a makedo until I have a better solution. The Plan B from last time is my new Plan A. And I'll maintain an open mind about the possibility of a better Plan B.
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Sorry to remain harping on about AsciiDoc
I'm happy for you to keep on with it.
For me asciidoc is better than markdown but worse than org-mode .
And none have some features that would be essential for full utility (for me). So, theoretically, I don't mind moving around. But so far I don't see another program that looks as if it will be as good as Obsidian will be.

I do consider Obsidian's block reference method a misstep, but it won't affect me if I don't use it. Apart from that, I think they're doing well.
(I think a better approach would have involved a better file explorer, options for automatically creating new notes from a next command with a folgezettel name that's hidden in editor, and using transclusions for display etc. That would have been elegant and stuck to their first principles, but couldn't have been done with a quick hack.)
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What are people doing with all this information they’re curating and cataloging with these various pieces of software? To what purpose? Or maybe even: to what avail?
Most of the time that isn't what I'm doing. Most of what I have is what I write. Stuff I don't write myself is just linked.

Mainstream uses
Writing and research.
It's a large part of what I do, and always has been.
It's pretty much what it's designed for, though the userbase in Obsidian seems to have a huge number of students.

Related uses
Work and professional stuff. Again really, it's largely writing and research. Just differently dressed.

Anything money related
Research on things to be bought, or suppliers, what's paid.
Ditto for pensions, investments etc. I'll probably record my tax stuff in it this year (that bit being purely local and secure).

Everything else
I'm actually using it for nearly everything.
Eg in the garden, what was planted where and how it did.
Anything at all.

My basic rule is that if something requires collection of information, weighing it up and making a decision - especially if it's something I might have to do again in future - then it goes in unless I can work my way through just by remembering (I'm not trying to give myself unnecessary work); or unless I don't get round to it.
But I'm still working my way around the system, so changes are still likely.

Of course, I'm only using it for everything because, I'm already using it and it works and it's easier to use one process for everything.
And having freedom to do that across the board makes it easier to innovate and adjust.

And even more of course, I couldn't write the above in markdown without adding HTML. And that was deprecated in HTML 5 for a while.
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I want to stay local, I like wikilinks in the text, plus the bits of markup and formatting that I use while writing and editing.

I'm happy for formatting for publication to be separate, but markdown doesn't do that anyway.
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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm reconsidering a Plan B
« Last post by Dormouse on November 13, 2020, 02:56 PM »
My original Plan B when I started mostly using Obsidian was to switch to another program (possibly Foam, even Zettlr or even newer ones) and change all the syntax in the notes as required.

I've been thinking about it again recently. I'm still comfortable with Obsidian. But I look at all the feature requests and what they all have in common is increased complexity in exchange for adding features that would help a small minority of current users and a tiny proportion of users should Obsidian go mainstream. That may not be a problem if they are all added as optional plugins, but I've been here many times before. Reacting to user requests is a good thing, but it has its dangers. The vast majority of current users (at least those who post) are techie (even the ones who seem incapable of understanding what they're doing). There's any number of conversations about Mermaid. No appreciation of KISS or UI at all. There's been one example already - block refs - many wanted them, but the implementation is necessarily a hacky workaround which impacts the underlying document (only alternative would have been a database).

So I reviewed my own usage. There are major features (eg Graph) that I barely use at all. Many others where it seems currently weak, but might improve in the future (though I'm not confident, since the user base is the main potential source of plugins); I deal with that by using other programs. What I've learned by using it is the value of nested vaults and the productivity of wikilinks; and that using many programs on the same file is pretty seamless.

And the major source of friction is markdown. Plaintext is great, markdown grates all the time. Some simple things are just unnecessarily convoluted (whoever thought that counting #s was the bees knees?0 and some simple things it can't do at all (for me multi-coloured highlighting comes high on the list - atm forces me to switch to RTF or other WP format when I need it). Asciidoc looks better, and org-mode much better again (at least if it weren't for the compulsory complexity). But markdown doesn't seem likely to be avoidable in any future Obsidian alternatives.

So then it came to me. Design my own system. I could probably even do much of it with current plaintext/markdown editors and text expanders for conversion (which is what I already do to some extent). But I wouldn't need compatibility since it would only be for me. I could have better interfaces with other file types (I assume Obsidian will eventually, but I've no idea what they might look like). So there we are. A new Plan B. Not Plan A, and it might easily be superseded by something else. But will sit in my mind as something quite feasible and maybe even desirable.

PS
I note that logseq has gone open source.
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How is it a surprise that the RIAA are taking down a streaming app they have not specifically allowed? They've been doing this for decades. And while I might dislike the RIAA, as a copyright holder, I'm all in favour of copyright holders' right to close unapproved access to copyrighted content.
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a kanban app that reads todo lines from plaintext files.
There was this post too: https://forum.obsidi...d-from-markdown/5184
pointing to a vscode extension TODO.md Kanban Board
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The one problem I've run across dealing with [[]] is how spaces and other things are represented
There seem to be perennial problems with spaces in markdown. And I don't think HTML helps much either.
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I like the general idea of adding todos quickly and with relatively little structure along the way when in just-get-text-out writing mode and then use some such tool later to help overview and act on tasks orderly, via kanban or some other method.
I've not used it and I've never been a big users of todos, though I play with them every now and again.
There's definitely been discussion there about a script to collect all undone todos across the vault and put them together, but I didn't take in any of the details.
If I was going to do that in Obsidian, I'd be tempted to just park the Todoist plugin in a sidebar and add them there as I went along.
I suspect that there will be quite a lot of development of this type of functionality.
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I have achieved the setup that accomplishes the goal I originally wanted
Congratulations!.

I'm still tweaking and extending, but I now have a single workstream for everything, writing as well as research. I regard Obsidian as the prime custodian - afaics it is the fastest developing and most professional of the options, so a good bet for lasting the course. I'm not very keen on the alternatives - the best appear to rest on VSCode which I dislike - but I'm sure I can do any conversions required should Obsidian die and others come to the fore. If nothing else does, I'll be a bit stuck because I don't want to do without the linking, but I'm sure I'll get by.
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Tag syntax isn't standard markdown is it?

I'm in two minds over extending markdown. As far as I can tell it's been standard practice for a long time and it's the only way to add functions elegantly. otoh it's a pita when apps disagree.
I find some standard markdown with two syntaxes for the same thing distinctly kludgy and some looks like poor design choices - but they're what we have, like qwerty and MS shortcuts.

Obsidian has just introduced block references. By definition that's another markdown extension.
For my money, old markdown has no way of coping with the new PKM uses and so those apps have to adopt their own usage. Preferably with some sort of tacit agreement, in the end, about what those extensions will be.
I prefer [[ ]], so I'm pleased it's becoming a standard, even if it hasn't broken through to editors yet. Editors won't understand other extensions, but that doesn't really matter because they probably won't have that functionality either, and if they decide to add it they will presumably go with the syntax that's been newly established.
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they have a features filter so you can quickly find a most appropriate software for you:
https://www.noteapps.info/features
Problem is that they're wrong or misleading. They have Obsidian up now so I could just read to see how bad it is. Even by the standards of internet reviews, I'd regard it as a very shoddy job.
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General Software Discussion / Re: NanoAdblocker is now malware
« Last post by Dormouse on October 17, 2020, 10:24 AM »
More widely, it's one of the problems with less popular apps and extensions that you give permissions to - they can always be sold, and you won't find out until it's too late.
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Encyclopedia of note taking apps:
https://www.noteapps.info/
Idiosyncratic selection of a few mostly recent apps so far,
but this quote seems reasonable:
@Conaw has won Twitter, cornering the the market on note app hype.

And this one might explain idiosyncracy:
This site is maintained by a professional researcher who is paid by Amplenote.

Looks biased to me. Under the customer centric heading,  they have 'has averaged at least one blog post per month over last year's. Unsurprisingly that's a box Amplenote can tick. And some comments aren't accurate, including at least one about Roam; and I'd hardly describe believer as $100 a year. I can only presume that Amplenote have been given quite a lot of money to throw around.
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I think it could,  though that's not what I do. It does have macro functions.
My use of the #s here is for markdown headings rather than tags - that being useful in Obsidian.
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