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Btw for those looking for an actual integration of ShareTabs.com and an actual account, check out Sqworl.

As you can see in the Techcrunch comments, it gets decent amounts of praise and criticisms so the idea is not half bad at all:

http://www.techcrunc...nk-to-rule-them-all/
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Exactly  :P

Btw not to rub it in (but really I am!)

Notetaking Software Round-up#1


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Btw, for those of you who are active and are willing to be patient with monitoring an EverNote clone. One application you might want to set your eyes on is CintaNotes

It's just a less stable Tobu meets OneNote's clipper right now not much different from a desktop client version of my suggestion here but it's already gaining a niche on it's forums.

To take from what someone else wrote in one of the topics:

Two Things That Make Me Go Wow

There are two features in your software that make me go WOW and they are reasons I really like two other pieces of software that have one each of your two features.

It is also the main reasons I will continue to use your software and promote it to everyone I know.

The first is something that also appears in Microsoft OneNote: Automatic saving of all data when it is entered. This mimics traditional paper and pen concepts. I write something and it is there on the paper. This whole concept of then having to explicitly save files and pick a location etc. It's just not natural nor is it obvious when you have never used a computer. I think this concept needs to disappear in lots of software now that we have the hardware and software to make this seamless and transparent to the user. The less I have to click, read and type in the better.

The second comes from Firefox: Find as you type without having to click or press any shortcut keys. This is incredibly powerful and the instant filtering and highlighting of exactly what I am typing seems magical and really gets people going WOW. No shortcut keys to remember or buttons to click. I am thinking of a word and I just start typing it and it magical starts appearing highlighted on the screen.

These are the two major features in your software that make it very intuitive and easy to use for me.

Thanks. for some great software and I will closely watch how this product is refined and kept focused on its primary goal of taking and storing Notes.

If I think of any other features I will let you know.

I do like the suggestion someone made about making the first line in the body of the Note the heading. Every part of the interface needs to be assessed for NOT what I can add to make it better but what can I remove to make it better. Also having the URL/Link field separate seems overkill. Just put it in the body of the Note as well. If you implement clickable links then you can always do searching on URL's without having to store it in a separate field.

Thanks.

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Haha. Yeah, I got the cake reference. It was the Aperture of Science that I haven't heard of before.  ;D
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Oh wow, I didn't know Portal referenced Ubuntu or was that just a play on words? Sorry, PC is powerless to play Portal.  :P
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Oh, I was using underpowered and overpowered in relation to Evernote since this is an EN thread so I interpreted him saying he is pursuing UltraRecall and OneNote as a replacement for EverNote.

In this sense, you could consider UltraRecall as underpowered as a notetaker because as you have pointed out, it's not a notetaker in the sense of EverNote yet Recall is still a notetaker in the sense that you put stuff on it that you took. (and you grab stuff out of it to find the stuff you put into it)

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Oookkk...  :P
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@wreckedcarzz: Wha?

Oh btw Mint Software Portal is back up: http://www.linuxmint...;id=20&release=3

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Btw I do understand that many might feel that Google's notebook was used more only because it's part of someone's Google account and Google is a well known brand but I'd just like to point out that the recent complaints from Notebook users switching to EverNote/Zoho/Ubernote proves that it's not just branding that got people satisfied with Notebook. These people have legitimate casual user needs that Google's Notebook provided which no other services did.

Edit: Btw I don't mean to insult the other 1%. Obviously, I didn't actually take a survey so please don't take my generalizations literally. I just wanted to try and explain the phenomena of why there are people upset about Google stopping development for Notebook.
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Precisely IainB.

If you're in the market for developing an online notetaker, two questions should jump at you:

1) Why is it that an inferior clipper like Google's gets more attention than a full featured desktop syncing tool like Evernote 3 or a richer featured offline clipper like Scrapbook?

2) Why is it that an inferior kludgy notetaker like Google's beat out better offline and online notetakers?

Here are my theories for question A:

a) 99% of people using Google's clipper don't clip full pages.
b) 99% of people using Google's clipper love the ease of sharing their clips to their friends
c) 99% of people using Google's clipper DON'T want a heavy bulky feature-rich application like Scrapbook or Evernote's desktop client
d) 99% of people using Google's clipper want their notes online.
e) 99% of people using Google's clipper want an easy way to search their clippings.

Opinion:

1) EverNote
-clunky desktop client
-more intrusive clipping options

2) Surfulator and other offline clippers
-payware
-scary feature-rich interface
-offline

3) Scrapbook
-offline
-intrusive clipping
-no "one button" quick clip and view

4) Snipd
+minimalistic
+quick
+clips "clips" rather than full pages
+unintrusive

Here are my theories for question B:


a) 99% of people using Google's notebook want to search their notes
b) 99% of people using Google's notebook want their notes online in several places (IGoogle, Netvibes, Gmail, Google Reader)
c) 99% of people using Google's notebook DON'T want a separate account to login
d) 99% of people using Google's notebook value simple looks rather than fast software
e) 99% of people using Google's notebook want to actually put text snippets rather than actual notes in it.

Opinion:

1) EverNote:
-clunky desktop client
+recently supported Google Notebook importer
-not so simple web based interface
-no demo

2) Ubernote:
-have to register to another account
-no demo pass
-added little to no extra value from Google Notebook

3) Zoho Notebooks:
-no search
-early buggy start

4) Other online notebooks service:
-not for general notetaking
-quirky interface
-small amount of memory
-no labels/tags
-"busy" interface
-not stable

5) Other offline notebooks service:
-no casual idiot-friendly sync
-"busy" interface
-scary features

6) MS OneNote:
+tags
+familiar interface
+easy to understand clipping capability
-payware
-offline

7) ManageMyIdeas
+simple initial interface
+simple interface
+has tags
+has priorities
+has demo account
-no clipping software
-no GUI bullet/numbered list for recipes and shopping lists
-no search
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I just really like the version 2.2 client and particularly the indexing of handwritten notes.

Thanks Carol. I have no tablet pc so I didn't know EN 2's indexing was better. I was under the impression the third one was better because if I remember correctly, they even demo'ed how it could search for texts in embedded images.

Have to both agree and disagree with J-Mac. I think Ultra Recall is powerful but it's also almost so different from EverNote, I'm not sure if it can be considered underpowered (because it's still just a notetaker with a hierarchy) or overpowered in the sense that it's a notetaker with a bloated filtering feature.

I don't mean to come off as negative towards UltraRecall and I do understand that it's one of the top notetakers around. I just think that in relation to Evernote who's more of a "single phrase search" notes kind of tool, it's debateable whether UltraRecall is overpowered than OneNote in the sense that at their core, OneNote really isn't far behind as far as searching for notes. Of course database-wise, UltraRecall is superior to both but database-wise even EverNote 2 wasn't really aimed at that market.

Personally as far as pay-ware, even though I've only tried the demos, I think ndxcards and azz cardfile are much closer to EverNote's structure although if you start going that route, Tomboy Notes starts becoming a decent alternative to those and it just moves downward until the only thing missing with the other applications are templates and clippers but then it can be argued that EN 3.0 is as good enough a general clipper and if you want a much more feature-wise clipper, you always have the Scrapbook Firefox extension and Surfulator so you're back to EN 2 again.
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If you don't feel my question is hijacking this thread too much Carol, I'd like to know what you feel was the key to getting you into Evernote in the first place.

I know Evernote had lots of templates that extended it further than it's original design was and you seem to be the type that would be using it to it's fullest potential based on what I've read of some of your posts but you're also someone that has constantly rallied on the ribbon so I'm curious as to what quirks EverNote did that really did it for you.
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So Google stopping development for Notebook is big news lately and everyone's looking at UberNote or EverNote as the prime suspect and Mashable has created a list of alternatives here (I'm a fan of Helipad's markdown formatting myself though the size allocated is small) but I think there's two services that's not quite being noticed here.

Alone, they aren't enough but together I think there's some potential market here, not much different from when Remember the Milk took to-do lists by storm. I don't know how to program and code so I'm just posting this combination up here:

ManageMyIdeas + Snipd

http://www.snipd.com/

Snipd not only has superior clipping to ClipMarks and Google Notebook by only needing a bookmarklet but it's KISS as web clipping can be.

http://www.managemyi...eas.com/welcome.aspx

ManageMyIdeas not only has a more minimalistic interface than Notebook but it gets alot of ideas right by allowing a demo login where you can easily see how it has some pros over Notebook as a pure text notetaker but it sheds away all the document editing stuff that slow down Google's Notebook. Sadly the service is abandoned and it probably couldn't gain much traction with a name such as ManageMyIdeas.

I might be wrong though and most of you may feel this is a horrible money making idea but I think the key to online notetaking apps is to create a small enough basic application like this, have an API and let the twitter-like developers hack the rest.

Probably some other overkill stuff I think that would help pump the app would be:
1) ShareTabs capability
2) Flowgram/Slideshare integration
3) Diigo/Delicious/Simpy sync and export
4) Keyboard Shortcuts
5) RTM/Toodledo/Todoist integration
6) Google Notebook importer
7) Export Options

In general though, I think it just needs to be fast and stable at this point and not stay in closed beta for an eternity to raise some eyebrows.
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Living Room / Re: Culture of Computer Scientists
« Last post by Paul Keith on January 27, 2009, 02:40 AM »
I'm very aware that computers are but scrapes of metal and silicon, and ultimately, that's what they are. They are obsoleted after a few years, and that hot 'smart' machine you're typing on now, will be scrap metal in the relatively near future.

I'm also very aware that ultimately not of it matters. People were around when they didn't have anything other than sticks and rocks, and are still around now that those sticks and rock are software and hardware.

I don't feel any of the code I write changes the world. In fact, quite the opposite. A lot of what us techies do is self-sustaining. A lot of what we do on computers is FOR computers, and only immediately relevant to computers.

I'm not saying they are completely useless, and that they aren't used for important things. But when we really face reality, 90% (if not more) of what we do on a computer is only relevant to the limited world of computing itself.

Yet despite all that, writing code and playing with commandline's etc, is 'home'. It's what I grew up with and it's simply how my mind knows to function and communicate.
I wrote my first lines of code when I was only 7 years old or so. I don't see it as a job or a hobby, it's a language, and a way of thinking.
I often notice that while I'm typing up code I don't even think about what I'm putting down, it just flows. Just like speech.
When I'm coding or doing other geeky stuff, I just feel like I'm in a natural environment. When I'm outside talking to people, I feel uncomfortable and like I don't belong. It's really as simple as that, I think. While coding can definitively be fun, questions such as "what do you think is most fun about being a developer", are missing the point. I think it's simply just a natural state of being for some people. :)
Maybe over the years my brain has just rewired itself as a computer interface. :D




Lol, I can see why your username is Gothi[c].  ;D (No offense intended)
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Lol, zridling you're certainly in a thankful mood today dude. Anything happened? I saw you also thanked someone in another thread.

Deozaan, they all work in pretty much any Linux distro as far as I know. A few may take some source tinkering like UFO:AI which I didn't find in Synaptic when I was playing with Mint at around Celena time but most of those are like the only games in Linux.

There's stuff like WesternQuake like I said but they are few and far between and these is pretty much "THE" list of Linux games.

I'm sort of disappointed that LinuxMint.com is down again because I thought it's software portal used to have all the rarer games like WesternQuake.
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Wait for it, recession hasn't fully arrived yet. THEN the time for kissing up to customers will truly judge how happy they will be.  :P

(I know. Bad joke. Couldn't resist though.)
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Living Room / Re: Culture of Computer Scientists
« Last post by Paul Keith on January 27, 2009, 12:18 AM »
I'm a casual tech user so forgive me if I'm interjecting. I just feel some of the questions are general enough for me to answer.

What do you think is interesting about Computer Programming?

First off, I haven't read this blog post but this might interest you: http://paulstamatiou...ow-i-learned-to-code

Ultimately, God Mode. Less narcissistically, Productivity Mode. Essentialy, Pro-Activity.

It's this "pro-activity" that interest me most. Once you become a computer programmer, and I mean legitimately a "programmer". It is not just that you can (potentially) create anything nor is it about (potentially) being able to cut corners and shortcuts and all that stuff. It is literally "freedom". It is literally "no more philosophy or idealistic determination, once you step off that couch and start programming, you start manipulating." BAM! Instant. You're off. Lifestyle change. Application of freedom of choice. No Open Source? Learn how to code law into your program and change the world. No Freeware? Learn how to code program and screw the man. Bad support? Learn how to integrate social media or popularize social media and use your influence to change that company. It's just BAM! BAM! BAM! Instant.

I'm not talking about coding. I'm talking about "programming". Once you have that mindset, destiny says you're guaranteed to do something. It's not a guarantee to success, but it is a guarantee to impact. Ripple, Tidal Waves, Black Hole... doesn't matter. Once you get into that mindset, you become a writer who has the ability to wield the rarest and most powerful weapons so you're no longer pressured by fanboys to yield to their quality.

The world doesn't just open; it changes Suddenly you're not just a classical physicist researching on the next big thing: You've been teleported and are now knee deep into quantum physics and the world would only continue to feel your ripple the more you integrate yourself into the "programming" mindset.

Suddenly, you no longer need to be that guy in that tower defense game Immortal Defense who has to sacrifice his body to become immortal in space and put his love points in a section and his pride points in another section and have them serve as towers.

Suddenly, you are literally what that game's text describe as you win in a stage. Some guy who is now asked himself stuff like: "How does it feel to shoot those who cannot shoot back?"

Suddenly, you're now a guy who can be caught knee deep in a government conspiracy like that guy in Broken Saints but no longer need to pray to God to save a man from losing his eye-sight while he's holed up in a hidden underground base where no one but his company knows.

Suddenly, computer programming didn't just make you feel alive like anything a person might be passionate of. Suddenly, computer programming made you feel pro-active and suddenly, life just got a little easier to understand because you now have the very structure, the very plate that society has been born off, that religion has been born off, that science has been born off...ALL within the comfort of whatever it is you are trying to program. Suddenly, life is no longer about wondering where the grass is greener. Life has become the simulation and you are the simulator giving birth or operating on a test addition to life while being inside the simulation itself.

Computer programming didn't just give you the key to programming a computer, computer programming, once fully synchronize, gives you the realization that life and a computer has very little difference except in scale...and that's what's most interesting about it to me.

What do you like about Computer Programming?

The evolution. Almost everything in life has a vertical rise even among the talented ones.

In basketball, doesn't matter how great you are, if you're much more interesting you get payed more.

In MMA, doesn't matter how great you are, if you know and have been trained by a legend or is undefeated and exciting, you go way ahead in the sport.

Even in a non-physical activity like in writing, Stephen King = more publishers willing to spread his books than Stephen Queen.

EVEN a research-centric activity like science still gives authority for the big honchos to steal your research ideas or pressure you to change your passion by mob threatening your reputation and history revisioning your works.

In computer programming, it's literally as Malcolm Gladwell implied in Outliers...all you need is the right opportunity and almost the right amount of luck and you're in. Bill Gates as the book writes, didn't need to know the right fundamentals or the right circumstances, he just needed the right model to fall on his lap and then drive it away and he's literally won the lottery and kicked out most of his "betters"

For this same reason, no one is safe in the world of computer programming. It is constant creativity, constant marketing, constant competition, constant "changing" or what is essentially "programming" by it's very nature and that's what I like about it.

In computer programming, you're not screwing yourself by learning and implementing more than you can chew. Neither are you screwing yourself by implementing and learning less so you can focus on other areas you prefer. In computer programming, at the very core, you are only screwed by everything that made you a computer programmer.

If you believe a computer programmer is defined by his paycheck, then management often times screws you.

If you believe a computer programmer is defined by the quality of the product you make, then the marketer and freeware computer programmers screws you by riding on your back to make a better quality program.

If you believe a computer programmer is defined by dedication, then you are the one who often screws yourself by not being dedicated to programming and limiting yourself only to the "coding".

If you could change one thing about computer programmers what would it be?

Perception. Right now there's too many pseudo-experts roaming around and gaining influence as well as people even experts setting up a spikier barrier of learning because that's what most of modern society involves in but it's basically screwing them up also.

By being more of an isolationist, computer programmers rather than use their new found mindsets to "program" their environment become slaves to their society.

I'm not saying all computer programmers are creating shells. Certainly, even if this stereotype holds enough quantity to be true, that's not the problem.

The problem is enough appreciation of the value of programming. That, I feel is what many computer programmers sell themselves short and I can't blame them. Life can be rough and modern society can't just be "sci-fi"-ed into mind control chips that follow you around.

But see...that's the thing! If you're a budding programmer and you don't know a Programming Language well enough, life is only as comfortable as when you limit yourself to anything your capabilities can do. A script kiddie is not going to enjoy playing with his hacked Iphone if he's suddenly tasked with trying to hack a super secure high tech computer that in 10 seconds would launch a nuclear device straight to his home! Why should programmers allow their environment to define how "programmers" should act and treat the world and give up on "programming" the world?

I'm not saying they should gather all the spec sheets on that girl they've been stalking. I'm saying look what's in front of your mind! "Program it!" Write well written codes. Write great guis by actually listening to your lesser brethrens and not just hide or convince them "not to think" like Apple does. I'm also not saying show your end-users everything! Even Britney Spears couldn't pull that off!

I just want perception to be considered. If the program works well enough. Program the site! Site is working enough. Program the availability and clarity of the manual! Use technology that's easier on the eyes for casual users. Manual is good enough? Program the forums, the blogs, the marketing, the feedback form, your friendliness...No, don't change yourself or be a slave to your users. Just follow the mindset of programming: change minds, not switches.

Obviously this isn't just limited to programmers and that's part of the difficulty because society is the new invisible falling off a gravity scenario after the parachute was invented but it's such a crucial need and computer programmers are such an important facet to the growth of the world that I feel it's the one thing that they not only should change but they can actually change without needing a genie fulfilling my wish and just require having 1 or 2 computer programmers start considering perception today or getting motivated again to further improve perception just a wee bit more that Margaret Mead's quote (Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that has.) starts to work a wee bit better.

In your opinion, what is the most important thing that Computer Programmers have given the world?

Progress
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Paul,

It's the same CEO, and this is definitely his plan. He is purposely going after those new customers and not the old Evernote users. It's the money, of course. There was really no more money to be made from the relatively few of us who were avid EN 2 users.Even if he got all of us to pay for a new version there are not enough users to make a difference in revenue.

Compared to the old version the new one is purely Web 2.0 glitz. But he is pulling in thousands of new users and if they purchase subscriptions it is a constantly renewing revenue source. Phil has no interest in creating an advanced application; he simply wants one that will attract a lot of new users. Paying users. Mobile users. Renewing-every-year users.

No idealism there IMO. Just plain old economics.

Jim

Nah...plain old economics says you should never make your previous customers think you're screwing with them. You never know when you need them back.  :P

I don't think going the Web 2.0 route was a horrible idea contrary to what many think but there really was no reason to change the brand. This is a case of a company growing so greedy, it wanted to have it's pie and eat it too.

Just the rabid change in icon alone implies that earlier on, the idea might have been to create a new service altogether and link Evernote with it. Some guy probably found out how the new application didn't import Evernote 2 well and how they could get more users if they don't try to sell this service as a premium service but instead over it as a freemium service while taking a piss on the old name and it's users.

Really, IMO proper marketing would have been to say that they could no longer support the EverNote brand and do a Google and say they are temporarily suspending development of that application but of course, add some incentive like maybe give away the last free stable version of EverNote pro, gather new found "rebound" interest and maybe improve upon the previous version and release a brand new "limited edition" pay-only EverNote with better features and rake in the cash but clearly greed took over and the company just wanted short term revenue on the old product and long term revenue on the new one.
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Well speaking only on my personal opinion, if you haven't tried Evernote 3 yet, then I'd suggest giving up on any kind of import options. They're just two vastly different apps that I have a growing suspicion the developers only used the Evernote name so they could get part of the fanbase' of the brand as well as explain away why they are giving up on the previous model. (cause really they have no good reason other than purely abandoning it)

EverNote 3 is just so far from EverNote 2 that the team is quicker at adding options at getting people using Google Notebooks to use EN 3 than trying to grab the old market of EN 2.

http://blog.evernote...e-notebook-import-2/
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Well to be honest, so little has changed that I doubt the opinions of the posters here would have either.

Personally I prefer Evernote 3 because I pretty much need a web clipper anyway rather than the convoluted toilet paper notetaking structure of Evernote 2.

With that said, the client feels much more responsive and faster now since their latest updates and it looks like the company is trying to chip at Google Doc's market with their new premium edition.
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Some guy linked to this SlideShare video in a topic discussing why Apple's strategy works and one of the key bit there was that in branding, the programmer has to almost separate himself from his personality or he has to delegate it to someone else who's in charge of selling and marketing the applictions:

SlideShare:

http://www.slideshare.net/coolstuff/the-brand-gap?src=embed

Topic about Apple's Strategy:

http://www.crunchgea...simple-product-line/

This intrigued me and I wanted to know the opinions of a more tech-centric crowd. Not so much in business because obviously that has been hijacked by it's own culture but in indy-programming and open source applications. Is the gap really so much that there needs to be someone who should point to the programmer that their gui and marketing decisions are horrible or is this simply a case of business-speak tradition and it's not really relevant? ?(i.e. quality people will make quality products work and so and so forth and left brain/right brain stuff aren't as important?)
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Oh, thanks.
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Living Room / Several Interesting Videos from Tech Crunch These Past Few Days
« Last post by Paul Keith on January 26, 2009, 07:18 PM »
Edit: Crap, I really need to know how to embed flash on forums. Any advise on what I did wrong?

Lenovo "So Bad It's Good" Ad

WebbAlert No More

Steve Jobs' First Big Demo
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Not quite the same but this distro claims to have most Linux games pre-installed.

It doesn't have stuff like WesternQuake but it's a bit more convenient for those who don't really care for games like WoW: http://live.linux-gamers.net/?s=games

Found it on Download Squad: http://www.downloads...hat-arent-windows-7/
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Right! What 40hz said. MD5 not MBR.  ;D

Edit: Btw 40hz, how would you rate Gentoo's documentation to SUSE and Fedora? Superior or inferior. I generally hear that Gentoo has more and easier to find free documentations.
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I agree with what DeoZaan said mostly. I'm also a Linux noob but also a casual Windows user so I apologize if these stuff are common knowledge to you.

One cheat way to test your Linux installation without only finding the errors only after you've burned it is to use an MBR checker:

http://www.download....2092_4-10410639.html

Another cheat but user friendly way to have both wubi and an Ubuntu LiveCd is to try out the latest Mint version:

http://www.linuxmint...felicia_whatsnew.php

Mint4Win is basically just wubi but packaged in such a way that you also have the LiveCD.

There's also QEMUPuppy where you used the Puppy distro from usb within Windows:

http://www.erikveen....nl/qemupuppy/#10.0.0

Note that you can also use the Puppy LiveCD in a different way than most Linux distros in the sense that you save your settings on HD rather than install the Puppy LiveCD on the HD itself.

Finally here's some of the common noob-friendly distroes:

Sabayon Gentoo Linux: Gentoo is complicated but has one of the best documentations for a Linux distro making it the most newb friendly. Sabayon is a Gentoo that has been set up to handle the most cutting edge capabilities of any Linux distro. For this reason it is a bad stable desktop distro for newbs but an awesome stepping ground for newbs.

PCLinuxOS: Built around a KDE environment which I'm not a fan of. This Mandriva spin-off has been said by many Windows switchers as THE Linux distro that feels and looks the same as Windows. We all know better though and understand that it's just Mandriva under the banner of a much user friendlier small community and is just the KDE equivalent of Linux Mint.

Sidux: Fork'd from Debian rather than Ubuntu, this allows this OS to be much more stable and have a more updated software repository than Ubuntu. Note that this only comes to play when Ubuntu's 101 hidden bugs that causes your PC to suddenly fail to boot one day hits you at your worst time. This is now somewhat alleviated by Ubuntu having a separate user folder by default but it's an interesting alternative if you want a Linux jumping pad from Ubuntu.

PC/OS - This distro got some flak for being a remastered Xubuntu that advertised itself as a BeOS clone. As someone once wrote about it, it doesn't come close and is just Xubuntu with some changes. Those changes though are on the level of Mint and PCLinuxOS when they were first starting out. Another good distro to try if you're not into Xubuntu but I much prefer Puppy for uber-lightweight feeling.

Edit: Note that if you're into newb hardcore distroes (Yes there is such a thing just as there are people who are into slurping Hot Sauce!) then here are the ones I heard of from the past: Vector Linux, Zenwalk, Arch Linux, Wolvix, DamnSmall Linux and LinuxfromScratch.
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