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Living Room / Re: Kickstarter
« Last post by Renegade on June 05, 2010, 09:47 PM »
I love the idea.. i think we need such things now more than ever.  maybe it's time to try to do a kickstarter-funded project.

It seems to me that the ideal type of project for that is:

* Web based
* AGPL
* Well thought through with a business model that works with AGPL

That just sort of seems like the perfect fit. Get from the community in order to give back to the community, but with the brains to keep the project/business funded/profitable and running, and thus ensure the future of it.

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Living Room / Re: The Ever-Evolving Question of Privacy
« Last post by Renegade on June 05, 2010, 07:24 PM »
I wonder when the courts are going to figure out that it's the same as a peeping Tom, and that's illegal too. Sigh...
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Oh God... I can just hear the Apple fanboys and Jobs freaking out over this... I'm going to plug my ears now. blah blah blah I cannot hear you blah blah blah...
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Living Room / Re: Kickstarter
« Last post by Renegade on June 05, 2010, 06:22 AM »
one of these days we're going to add a search function to this forum so people can search for "terms" and see if there have been posts about something in the past.. that will help answer such questions  ;)

https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=19291.0

Yeah, but it's a bit old (a year) and you were the only one really talking about it. I figured dragging it up again in a new thread would get better results for more opinions.

Basically, I'm looking to see what people think of it. I'm not really familiar with it, so some opinions from others that know about it would help out.
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Living Room / Kickstarter
« Last post by Renegade on June 05, 2010, 04:37 AM »
Is anyone familiar with this site: http://www.kickstarter.com/

It looks interesting, but the numbers all seem really low for most projects to actually get "kick started".

Basically, it's a site to get funding for projects, like that Diaspora thing that wants to do something similar to Facebook but with better privacy.
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Living Room / Re: Is a college education worth the money?
« Last post by Renegade on June 05, 2010, 02:21 AM »
Wow. That's stunning. It sounds like he's advocating working after high-school. I find that incredible. A university education is pretty much mandatory to even think of escaping a dull life of poverty. What job with a decent income can you get without a university education? The only one that I can think of is being a drug dealer or getting into some other form of organized crime.

The skills he's advocating are surely good things, but not going to university?

According to the Times, eight out of the ten job categories that will add the most employees during the next decade—including home-health aide, customer-service representative, and store clerk—can be performed by someone without a college degree. “Professor Vedder likes to ask why fifteen percent of mail carriers have bachelor’s degrees,” the paper reported.

Still... Chances for advancement in life come easier with education behind you.

The whole "job" thing is simply ridiculous. JOB = Just Over Broke.

I don't have a "job" and I most certainly make a lot more money than a lot of people, and it's all thanks to having an education.

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Living Room / Re: How to Sell Linux to Schools
« Last post by Renegade on June 05, 2010, 02:09 AM »
+1 for Paul.

You've hit on some core issues. While FOSS *can* be purely objective, it isn't. It has an underlying philosophy behind it and a political agenda as well.

I've been fairly vocal about my opposition to radical FOSS positions (those that insist on FOSS and only FOSS), I am most certainly glad that is exists and I would strongly state that FOSS is needed. I would go so far as to say that FOSS (in the Richard Stallman sense) is every bit as much a requirement for freedom and liberty as other factors. The transparency behind FOSS cannot be beaten, though it can be equaled. GPL software is generally garbage for me in the same way that the space shuttle is garbage for me as transportation, i.e. What are your needs/requirements?

For philosophy in the classroom, I would argue that this is a serious problem with the education system, as the classroom needs a strong philosophy to guide it.

Philosophy is the beginning of all knowledge. First, the metaphyics, and second, the physics. Everything else follows from there, and indeed, all of western civilization is built upon that exact beginning: metaphysics and then physics. (I do not mean physics as in the modern sense of physical science, but in the philosophical sense of physics, which led to modern physical science.

Now, there's is a difference between having a philosophy guiding education, and teaching philosophy.

I really think that philosophy should be taught in middle school and high-school. I would want to see it start with the skeptics and progress from there, with a strong focus on informal and formal logic. But, it seems educators are simply too short sighted to actually teach kids how to think properly.

For having an underlying philosophy behind education, I think that's what you were referring to, Paul. This is a difficult subject to approach because all the arm-chair philosophers out there want to get in their $0.02 when what they really need to do is either educate themselves on the topic or shut up.

How many times have you heard someone talk about their "philosophy"? Usually it's just a set of opinions with no real basis or support. (Now, I am aware that sounds somewhat arrogant, but I am trying to keep the term "philosophy" as an academic study that can have personal implications, rather than a personal opinion that is posing as a pseudo-academic study.)

Anyways, back to FOSS as all that is going waaaaayyyyy off track...

One of the core problems for FOSS is that it attracts a lot of people that cannot see past "free" (as in price tag) and understand the motivations behind FOSS and the reasons for it. This creates a misconception about what FOSS is, and that misconception gets perpetuated and only grows.

The "F" is FOSS has nothing to do with money or price. It is about "freedom". The GPL is NOT adverse to charging for software. People just don't do it because it is extremely difficult to pull off properly. The business model is non-traditional and simply scares people off. The traditional commercial/proprietary approach is much easier as a business model.

Check eBay for FOSS software being sold and you'll find lots.

The reasons for FOSS are far more involved and much deeper. They are political in nature. They are the same kinds of motivations that were behind the US constitution's right to bear arms (to overthrow an oppressive government), i.e. to help preserve liberty.

However, we have a very real problem with FOSS as the responsibility to preserve it is basically in the hands of a very few: developers. For a lot of FOSS software, in order to make use of the freedom that it affords you, you must be able to at least compile it, or dig into to code or even more. That's where the freedom is kept, not in the price tag.

Is that something that needs to be pushed on school kids? I rather doubt it. I have a hard time believing that there are many high-school kids that actually understand what those freedoms are and just how valuable they are. Heck, the American people sell their liberties for a small modicum of what they believe to be safety on a regular basis (e.g. the "patriot" act). (The same holds for other nations, but the Americans happen to be the most visible.) To put that another way, how many high-school kids have come face to face with a secret police or an intelligence service agent, and knew exactly what it is that those people do? I doubt many have.

Here are some prices for FOSS software. ($50 for OpenOffice.)

FOSS should not be marketed based on price. Software that has a good price may be FOSS, but the two are not the same.

NSFW (and potentially offensive) joke about money and free
What's the difference between sex that's free and sex that you pay for?

Sex that you pay for is cheaper.


But the joke does make a point that is analogous to free software. Often it is cheaper to simply buy commercial software.

If the issue is about price, then it isn't about FOSS, as freeware fits the price category very well, even though it may be proprietary.

On a further unrelated tangent, I really never liked the "free as in beer" analogy as it really doesn't say anything clearly.

--End tangential rant--
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I admit, it'd be great to have a tablet PC to carry around the house, in the car, in the big box hardware store to compare prices, and all number of things. If it also doubled as an ereader, all the more power to it. Can I get that with an i7 chip and 32Gb of RAM, though?
 ;)


Hahahaha~!

And a draft beer tap too~! :P (USB or Firewire is ok, just not wine! USB 1.1 is ok because I don't drink that fast anyways.)
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Living Room / Re: iTunes Store Alternative?
« Last post by Renegade on June 04, 2010, 09:18 PM »
Amazon has Video On Demand, but it's only available in the USA, as well as Netflix. There are rumors the latter ones are planning to expand outside the USA, but who knows to where and when. Living in Australia, it occurs to me that you could use Bigpond, but maybe that would require an ISP change.

And really, subscribing to a pirate video site? I was just thinking in BitTorrent.

A friend of mine subscribes to a pirate music site, and swears by it. He's a bit braver than I am I suppose. :) But I don't really see the difference between it and pirated BitTorrents. Piracy is piracy.

I'll check out BigPond. I'm on TPG and won't consider switching as the TPG service is adequate and I can't see other services realistically being worth double the cost. But BigPond shouldn't require switching. That seems strange. The only ISPs that have that kind of arrangement have all pirated content, that I know of anyways.
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Living Room / Re: How to Sell Linux to Schools
« Last post by Renegade on June 04, 2010, 09:14 PM »
Don't get hung up on OpenOffice, think ODF. It's only one program in 25 that uses ODF as its native file format. Sure, MS-OOXML was approved as a standard, but not a single program outside of the Microsoft family has implemented it. That may also tell you how difficult it is for someone else to write a converter (free) for MS-OOXML's 7,000+ page file specification. And Microsoft doesn't even adhere to its own "standard" in Office 2010.
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As for school funding of proprietary software, is Microsoft Office even needed anymore? What exactly is a 10th grader going to input that another format cannot handle? I don't see hardly any MS-OOXML documents online. Any case you might make for Microsoft products purchased with taxpayer funds can also be made by Adobe (the children MUST have Photoshop skills; how else are they going to create memes on chan sites!) or Apple (the children MUST have iPads; how else are they going to afford their AppStore and data provider fees?) Next time you see a school bond increase, ask yourself why they don't cut any of the vast array of athletic programs that include enormous maintenance and travel costs. Point is, the "schools" never need less money, always more, more, more. Therefore, take the money spent on proprietary software to give to teachers, and any other thing students can live without.  Voters in several states are rejecting school funding increases this year. I hope mine (Missouri) does the same. Mind you, I'll gladly pay for school infrastructure and capital improvements, but don't ask me to build a new football stadium where only five or six games get played each year.

Again, if you want that for your kid, fine, pay for it out of your pocket. But when there are viable, free alternatives to every proprietary software app (and OS) now used in schools, I know that simply having the proprietary app is mere luxury.

PS: In my perfect(ly twisted) world, those who have kids would have to fund their education, athletic events, and post bail (ha!).


I can see Photoshop as it truly is the industry standard. All high-end web design is done in Photoshop. Magazines. Everything. iPad? Well, it's current, but it's by no means in the same category.

I really don't think that there are free alternatives for all software that you'd use/need in schools. DSP software isn't free. The free stuff out there is just code or POC, but not production worthy software. There is no audio editor to replace any of the top commercial versions. (Audacity is ok, but it's not quite there.) There is no free video editor either that's worth using. (I looked, and what I found was simply useless.) There's nothing that can replace SASS. Scientific and statistical software packages are pretty much all commercial. I've seen some free stuff, but it's simply far too basic to use for anything except a very small set of tasks.

It all depends on what level of education as well. I think Audacity is lots enough for everything up to high-school, and probably good enough for most everything there with some exceptions. But at some point Logic, Avid, Adobe, SAW, Magix, Steinberg, or some comparable company's software will be needed. For a music program, Audacity won't cut it.

There are a massive number of software packages that are easily replaced, but I don't think they all can be. OpenOffice is more than enough for elementary and middle school. Does it cut it for high-school though? Maybe. I suppose it depends on a few things.

Education is progressive, and at higher levels, more advanced software is needed. I think that very often that means that at higher levels of education, you really need to carefully consider commercial vs. FOSS (or free) alternatives.

e.g. Is there any point in using any software other than AutoCAD? There are alternatives to AutoCAD. But do those skills have any value in the real world? I really doubt that you'll find any of them on any computers at Lockheed or Boeing.

I'm really on the other side of this debate than you though, Zane. I'm all for increased spending on education. I think that education is underfunded and that improved/increased education will payoff in countless ways. It's an investment, and not an expense. If you give kids the tools (education) to succeed in life, they're far more likely to do just that. You'll get that investment back multiple times in terms of tax revenue and less spending on welfare-type programs. But this is really kind of off topic. I mention it because I think we're approaching the software issue from fundamentally different perspectives, so we're naturally arriving at different conclusions.



I'm curious as to how Oracle is killing OpenOffice. I've not really been paying any attention there. Could you post back about it?

Oracle bought Sun (back in August 2009?) and despite press releases that assured the management of OpenOffice would not change and there would be a cloud version (why?), Oracle has done absolutely nothing since. Both Novell (go-OO) and IBM (Lotus Symphony) have forked their own versions. But despite 132mn downloads for the 3.0 version and from all appearances, it seems Oracle is willing to let OpenOffice wither.

I could take it or leave it, since most of my document creation is done online for sharing within the company, not within a certain suite. But I realize that's not the majority.


It's sad to see Oracle do that. OpenOffice is a fantastic piece of software. I'm glad to see Novell and IBM picking up the ball there, though I do have more faith in Novell than in IBM to continue it. (Yeah... I've been a secret admirer of Novell for years and always like to see them do well.  :-[


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Living Room / Re: 10 Suicides at Apple factory this year.
« Last post by Renegade on June 04, 2010, 08:37 PM »
In all fairness to Apple (as Lashiec points out), they are at the center of media attention, but this is just part of the inevitable bad publicity. They need to take some bad along with the good. While it is likely blown out of proportion for Apple, I will still take pleasure in seeing Apple tarnished by it (especially in light of their own policies -- it seems karmic).
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Living Room / Re: iTunes Store Alternative?
« Last post by Renegade on June 04, 2010, 08:29 PM »
Can you download from Amazon? I thought you could only order DVDs there. (Which is pretty useless as region codes make things break.) I'll need to look into that.

Crackle and Hulu don't work here in Australia. :( Only in the US. Sigh... (I really hate all this market segmentation nonsense.) And they don't have any way to buy and download (that I could see). I like having local copies so that I'm not held hostage by bandwidth or network problems.

I'd prefer digital copies so that I can just burn them to DVD if I want, or watch them on different computers. DRM basically makes it useless if I want to use a different computer. (Lord knows that the pirated DVDs you get on the streets in a lot of places work a lot more reliably than 'legitimate' DVDs. Sad really. Which brings us to the forbidden word...)

As for the forbidden word, piracy, to be honest, it's actually easier than dealing with all the baggage of market segmentation, DRM and all that silliness, but I'd really rather not go there. It's not reliable and it's still a PITA. I really have no moral qualms about downloading things that I've already purchased (as they are invariably broken in some way that prevents me from watching them), but I'm really looking for things that I don't own already (things I've not watched mostly).

Also, I don't want to subscribe to and pay at a pirate video site because it's just asking for trouble. Lord only knows where your credit card number will end up. (Again, one of the many reasons that I love PayPal for buying online. PayPal is just the best way to insulate against getting ripped off.) Unlimited games, software and videos? Ummm... Nope. Even with PayPal, I'd not risk any trouble with my PayPal account at one of them. My PayPal account is far too valuable to me.

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Living Room / iTunes Store Alternative?
« Last post by Renegade on June 04, 2010, 08:27 AM »
Can anyone recommend an alternative to the iTunes store for TV shows? (And movies, but TV #1.)

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That looks really sexy! The video demo wasn't very impressive though. The Courier (R.I.P) video demo was simply amazing. If this can do half what the Courier demo did, it will be a very serious contender for the iPad for those that don't get sucked in by Apple's "Oh! But it's shiny and white!" marketing.

I wonder how it FEELS in your hands and if it is nice to read, like a real book. And when folded in half, does the second screen get protected? Didn't see that. I like to read with books folded back.

Anyways, thanks for posting that! :)
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Living Room / Re: 10 Suicides at Apple factory this year.
« Last post by Renegade on June 04, 2010, 07:04 AM »
Steve Jobs: 'Oh, that suicide factory? It's pretty nice. And oh yeah, f**k Adobe Flash too.' -- http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/mac/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225300272&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News

Simply unreal. The guy is just a real piece of work.
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Living Room / Re: Wii blamed on Child's Death: Guns looks like Controller
« Last post by Renegade on June 03, 2010, 10:55 PM »
This is the gun and the Wii gun: http://img3.sankakus...wii-shooting-gun.jpg -- It does look pretty real.
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Living Room / Re: Wii blamed on Child's Death: Guns looks like Controller
« Last post by Renegade on June 03, 2010, 06:26 PM »
Ever heard of reckless endangerment? It is a crime.

Anyone that leaves loaded guns around for children reasonably can claim diminished capacity as a defense. :)
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Living Room / Re: Wii blamed on Child's Death: Guns looks like Controller
« Last post by Renegade on June 03, 2010, 06:26 PM »
I don't see how letting him off will set any sort of precedent for people who leave their guns lying around for a child to access, loaded none-the-less.

True. But then again, do you really think that anyone stupid enough to leave a loaded gun out in the open when there are children around will actually be deterred by the threat of imprisonment? I doubt those kinds of people have the cognitive ability to process things like that.

BTW Josh, what's the signature about? I've not read anything about that.
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Living Room / Re: Wii blamed on Child's Death: Guns looks like Controller
« Last post by Renegade on June 03, 2010, 06:18 PM »
I don't see how prosecuting the guy will help. He's got to live with the fact that he's responsible for his daughter's death. What prison could top that?
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I'll bet that Danny Sullivan is happy with everything as the Daggle articles gave him a fantastic opportunity for more attention. :)
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Living Room / Re: Has SEO ruined the web?
« Last post by Renegade on June 03, 2010, 05:20 PM »
Okay, so noting this mine field, what advice would be offered to one trying to get a website positioned correctly for the topic its content is relevant to?

(Bear with me, I know this is only vaguely on topic)

I ask because I'm currently in the process of redoing the company website which we've never really tried drawing attention to...because it's hidious. The new site which will (hopefully be non-hidious) feature online shopping while showcasing the company (yada yada yada) will need to be created with the SEO madness in mind.

So... any advice on what I should/should not do/be doing?

Too broad of a request. Check out the SEO Book blog and just write properly using the right tags. Get off-site links in -- that's crucial.
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Living Room / Re: How to Sell Linux to Schools
« Last post by Renegade on June 03, 2010, 03:54 AM »
Kind of in the same line regarding lock-in and proprietary formats, check this out -- PST SDK for Outlook PST files. Brought to you for free under the Apache 2.0 license by Microsoft.

It makes me wonder what direction MS is going in as they are opening up everything now, while Apple and other companies are becoming MORE proprietary and closed. Will they shift their revenue model and open source Windows? That's a VERY long way away, if ever, but with the kinds of things they are doing, it looks possible.
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Living Room / Re: How to Sell Linux to Schools
« Last post by Renegade on June 03, 2010, 02:57 AM »
(allowing a tangent)

[Renegade]: Why would anyone want to learn software that once they get out in the real world, they'll never use again? OpenOffice is a good example. While it does have its foot in some poor markets, it's simply not used widely in the corporate world. Has anyone ever received a "Calc file" from anyone, or did you receive an "Excel file"? Actually, OpenOffice is done pretty well, and the skills you learn in it will translate into Microsoft Office pretty easily, so it's not really all that great of an example in that aspect.

It's neither the program nor the OS so much as its adherence to open document formats and open standards. If I have to buy your software (Excel) just to read your file, I will never do that. Why [do school boards] force taxpayers to fund a private corporation's products? Simply put, we're all broke out here. It's time to tell Microsoft to get its money from someone else, even if it's only $3.*
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*In full disclosure, I also don't want my tax dollars funding wars, AIG, GM, Dick Cheney's Secret Service Secret Service protection, and any number of things. But I realize that realpolitick doesn't offer me a choice.

PS: Oracle is doing a good job already of killing off OpenOffice.

While I think you have a very good point about open document formats, I have some good/bad news. The Microsoft document formats are all open and/or standards.

The Office Open XML specification has been standardised both by Ecma and, in a later edition, by ISO and IEC as an International Standard (ISO/IEC 29500).w

Microsoft file format specifications at MSDN

In order to publish a document, you must have some kind of a specification for the file format. That's just trivial.

But Microsoft's Open Office XML file format is no less open than the Open Document Format. Who here contributes to ODF? If you tried, would you get anywhere? Of course not. Whether the organization creating the specification claims to be OS or FOSS or commercial or whatever, the fact remains that they are closed to outsiders.

Just try walking into the FSF or whatever and telling them that since things are "open" and "free", you'd like to change the GPL wording. Not gonna happen. Just because something is "open" doesn't mean that everyone gets a say or gets input.

Now, you can get a job working for Microsoft or OpenOffice or whoever, and then you can have input into their file formats, but until then, there is no functional difference.

You're not *paying* to open Microsoft documents when you purchase Microsoft Office.

You're paying because everyone else that tries to open Microsoft documents just doesn't get it right and can't manage it properly.

You either get half-assed or you pay for MS products. That doesn't make MS formats any less open than their so-called "open source" alternatives. Nobody uses OpenOffice because they simply can't open or write other document formats properly, and that's just unacceptable in business. It's cheaper to pay for software that works than to fight with software that doesn't work. (OpenOffice support for other file formats may have improved significantly since I last used it, but it would have to be an incredible leap forward to even consider looking at again.)

Why [do school boards] force taxpayers to fund a private corporation's products?

But there's no way to get around paying for things. Should schools force student to wipe their butts with leaves or old newspapers because if they purchase toilet paper they're giving money to a corporation that works for profit? All the paper, pencils, cleaning materials, and everything else inside the schools come from companies that produce products for profit. Why should software be different? [[If there's a better free product (I don't think leaves or old newspapers are better), then sure. But there isn't a better product than Microsoft Office. It's simply the best, and it's the best by a very large margin. Nothing comes close.]]

By the same token, individuals work for money, so why should we pay teachers just to subsidize their extravagant indulgences in cup noodles? (Teachers are already underpaid.) They're working for profit. I'm sure there are pedophiles that would do the job for free. Ok, that is entirely silly to the point of insanity. The point is that we need to pay for things. There's no free lunch out there.

But you're absolutely right about funding wars. I sure as hell don't want to pay to kill people. Errr... That's not totally true. I'd pay to see a mass slaughter of politicians, bankers, and financiers! :P :D Something set in an arena on pay-per-view sounds good to me. :)

Same thing for incompetent companies. Why should we bail them out? I'd be perfectly happy to see AIG (or whoever) crash and burn, and let the cards fall where they may. (Though I am softer when it comes to companies like GM as they actually create wealth rather than simply manipulate it.)

I'm curious as to how Oracle is killing OpenOffice. I've not really been paying any attention there. Could you post back about it?

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Living Room / Re: Has SEO ruined the web?
« Last post by Renegade on June 02, 2010, 09:08 PM »
I've been doing SEO for years, and even did blackhat SEO before it was known as blackhat. (I've not bothered doing any blackhat SEO for a very long time now.) I've had top results for keywords that are more competitive than the top porn keywords (many of which aren't really appropriate to print here :P ), so I know my stuff pretty well.

And yes. SEO in a lot of ways has ruined things. There are a huge number of sites out there that mirror (scrape) content in order to get into search engines. They are largely useless as it's generally better to get that content from the original site. e.g. There are several sites that scrape MSDN content and forums.

It creates noise that is simply daunting to get through.

SEO has done a lot of good though. It has taught people basic common sense like URLs make more sense to humans when they look like Wordpress URLs than they do with CNET URLs.

http://microsoft2apple.com/2010/05/14/about-a-new-twitter-app-and-choices/

http://download.cnet.com/ALZip/3000-2250_4-10326198.html?tag=mncol

It's easier to see if you want to visit a site when the URL tells you things about it.

Another thing about good SEO is that if you do it right, you end up following the HTML spec better and using things properly instead of hacking things together sloppily. It forces you to write properly formatted and structured hypertext documents. This in turn results in higher quality web pages both in terms of the actual content and in terms of rendering speeds. (Hacked up crap will render slower.)

So it's kind of one of those things where you take the good with the bad. e.g. Can anyone name a government that isn't corrupt? It's still highly unlikely that no government at all would be preferable. You get order and organization at the expense of hypocrisy, theft, embezzlement, graft, and "legitimized crime".

I'm sure we could come up with a lot of similar examples, and perhaps even one or two that aren't completely cynical. :P

Nevertheless, it is still very frustrating when you constantly get sidetracked by all the spam in the search results. It's virtually impossible to get relevant results for things like car parts as it's a highly profitable area for spammers.

However, keep in mind that Amazon, Buy.com, eBay, Ask.com, and a large number of other major online retailers are some of the biggest spammers out there. They are particularly bad at spamming Google ads, and Google is complicit in it as they have a decent name/reputation, and they hand money over to Google. Google will only put up with abuse from large customers. Small customers get axed. This further exacerbates the problem of spam as it forces up the price of ads (artificially) with Google even forcing up the prices purposefully to levels that are 10~50x more than the keyword is worth (except for their large spammer customers like Ask.com and eBay). So what you end up with is the only route to go is to rely on heavy SEO that is likely to result in low quality crap.

e.g. Take some keyword that can only bring in $0.25 in revenue per click. If you want to bid on it, you may very well need to bid $5.00 OR MORE per click, even if nobody at all is bidding on it. Those kinds of keywords can only be used for arbitrage by Google large (abusive) customers, like eBay. What (small) idiot would bid there? The only recourse is aggressive SEO.

The problem isn't just SEO; it is also advertising and how Google allows abuse by very large customers.

I'm not sure that there really is a solution, as the main job of a spammer is to keep ahead of the curve in order to remain profitable. And when you cut off legitimate avenues for revenue, well, spam is a good bet. The fault doesn't lie entirely with the spammers there. There are others out there that bear responsibility for creating the situation where spam = survival.
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Living Room / Re: Supercomputers of the world
« Last post by Renegade on June 02, 2010, 02:21 AM »
Imagine the games you could play on those! Or the pron you could download... :P
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