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I think of writemonkey more as a strict editing tool rather than a writer's tool.  I use it alongside my writing tools- I love the distraction free writing, and the ability to play music while you're there.  But managing projects and such, I find that it falls flat.
I think this is one of the key issues. I had considered putting some text editors into the mix, but excluded them in the end because a 'text editor' is now just another way of saying 'code writer' - they all have special commands to manage code, which isn't what I'm trying to look at here. OTOH may (all?) have text folding and I have never understood why that is better for writing code (just a form of specialised writing) but not needed for writing other text. I put SimpleNote in as a simple text equivalent with internet access; I don't rule out adding others.

Since my focus of interest is the writer's ecosystem, I'm potentially interested in software for any part of the system. Scrivener is designed to do it all, other programs may need to co-operate to achieve the same end; that may be better or worse. I've started out on this journey, but I have no idea where I will end up
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Added a WriteMonkey table. Will do a full review once the final version is released.
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Tried installing WriteWayPro on Windows 10 1803, and although installation seemed to go well, 2 ocx files where not registered correctly
I fixed this :


Edit:
After the above exercise I tried to register the product to have the free Pro version, but that has been unsuccessful so far,

On a related note: The YouTube showcase and instruction videos (including the WriteWayPro page) also seem to have vanished, only alternative videos can be found.

Guess this are the side-effects of using a no longer actively supported product...

Edit 2:
After installing WriteWayPro in a virtual WinXP SP3 instance, the installation issues didn't appear there, but the application registration issue persists, so that's most likely a website related issue.

Thanks. This is all far more than I would have been able to do.
I simply installed in XP compatibility and it worked. And registered. I'm also on 1803 (though the last update was after WriteWayPro installation).

I'll add a note to the table above and will put in the detail in the full review. Assuming I still do one, if installation/registration is a general problem.

I will admit that my sequence of SimpleNote then WriteWayPro was mostly about warming up my methodology. But the working version is better than I had anticipated.
904
But managing projects and such, I find that it falls flat.
Project management is coming in the next release of the v3 beta
905
excessive prices that Microsoft charge.
now they have become even more greedy than they were previously.
‘Software as a Sentence‘.

OneNote was never a very good solution to note taking,
There is also Ultra Recall, WhizFolders, TreeDBnotes, The Brain and 3D Topicscape. I can’t recommend any of these for a variety of different reasons, but they are all better than Microsoft OneNote.
So help to promote more diversity in the software marketplace, switch to a non-Microsoft solution today!

#DeleteMicrosoft
Seems that he doesn't like Microsoft! (or OneNote)
May well be FUD. Doesn't sound like he had a conversation with Support.

Unfortunately the version of SaaS they have chosen is a very pernicious one, if you stop paying the rent the program stops working completely. In other words they are holding your documents and files hostage against your future payments.
I don't think that you lose access to documents or files.

I also don't think that the Office365 price is excessive.
In the UK I can buy a 5 computer licence for between £50 and £60 from Amazon which can last 13 months (by switching to automatic renewal which you then turn off to enter your new annual code). And that also gives you 1TB storage. I can remember the prices that Bill Gates charged.

OneNote has a tagging system but it is designed in such a way that if you have more than about 30 or 40 tags then it starts to become unusable.
Have to agree with this, but it is only one of many deficiencies in the OneNote tagging system.

Microsoft Word has a very good, well designed and easy to use outlining mode and once you have finished organising your document you can go back to the normal mode and concentrate on the formatting and presentation of your document.  But at any time you can switch back to the outline mode and re-organise/re-arrange things.  As an outliner Word is hard to beat.
Certainly better than it was, but 'hard to beat?'
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Suggestion:
Add WriteMonkey.

http://writemonkey.com/

It may deserve its own category.
Will do  :)
907
For longer posts I sometimes use BBCeditor from fenixproductions here on dc. It does have some drawbacks compared to writing directly in-forum, but has the advantage of saving content offline, and editing at your leisure. Note I havent used it for tables.
Thanks; this is the first offline one I've got to work at all.
The problem I have with table is that the sequence the code uses, is not the same sequence produced by my thoughts. I've been using one of the online forms - most recently this which allows me to enter the cells directly in wysiwyg form (originally written in a WP/note editor). But then corrections get stuck and I tend to end up doing those by hand. Not found a solution to putting in a full stop where I really want a blank cell; not needed on some forums, but is here.

The fenix editor doesn't do the wysiwyg, so would be a struggle with tables, but I'll certainly use it for all other longer posts. Found it!  ;D  Thank you again
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Added table for WritewayPro. Will probably add a mini-review for this one once I have done all the tables here.
Still getting used to writing BBCode.
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    This is intended to be a comparative review for writers' software which looks at all the processes that may be involved in writing. Preferably a collaborative review incorporating suggestions, different perspectives and approaches. And other software;
    So I regard this as an initial draft, which I will adapt and extend. I have designed a simple table which gives an overview of each piece of software; my original intention of going into much greater depth would have overwhelmed this thread, so I will do a mini-review for each program that seems interesting enough in this context. Having put in two tables, I think that just the tables overwhelm this post. I think that I will end up putting them all in their own 'mini-reviews' and just have a few overall conclusions & tables here, with links to those reviews.

    The form of most programs for writing seems to be based on the same structure as
Outliners & Notetakers many of which transmogrified into PIMs before their near extinction.

Despite the existence of these programs, most, it seems, still use Word - maybe because using what you are used to avoids a learning curve. It's not unreasonable for writing words down, functions well for editing, and can publish in a number of formats. But it covers no earlier stage of the writing process. And a review of writers' tools needs to cover the whole process of writing from the original idea in the writer's mind to the publication in the hands of the reader.

Stages
There are a number of stages shared by most types of writer.
  • Research and Collection - A collection of external references, files, documents to be used when writing
  • Own material - Potentially a range of things including ideas, observations, conversations overheard, nice phrases or wordings, incomplete compositions
  • Brainstorming and development of ideas - mostly a process of possibilities that firm up into a plan; different to own material because it is focussed on the project
  • Organisation - a detailed working up of the plan
  • Writing - the central and key stage. If this fails, all fails.
  • Revising and Editing - an iterative process that is likely to involve other people at some stages
  • Publication - formatting into  a final stage. Most likely a docx for a traditional publisher, a pdf for an academic work or a whole succession of different format for the independent.

Writing Tasks
For maximum use a review also needs to address the needs of all types of writers, not just Authors who might appear on a Literature syllabus (or the more modest writers resident in Grub Street). In fact, many people have to write as part of their work - students and academics, technical writers, bloggers, journalists and columnists, copywriters, novelists, playwrights, poets, lawyers, doctors, business people, politicians and speechwriters. So, in an effort to make the review fit for all needs, I will look at the software from the perspective of a reasonably comprehensive cross-section of the writing community (but not including mathematicians, programmers etc who use specialised editors).
  • A PhD student. I hope that this will cover the needs of students at all levels.
  • A senior professor with an active research programme. Their needs are very different to those of a student because most papers are written in collaboraton with others and they may be working in a number of different fields and over a very long time. Also writes book chapters.
  • A journalist with weekly columns and a blog.
  • A news reporter.
  • A writer of large scale, multi volume, huge world fantasy fiction. Publishes independently.
  • A writer of literary fiction - books, plays and screenplays. With traditional publisher.
  • A writer of travel books. Traditional publisher. Also does pieces for media whenever asked.
  • A professional who writes reports/business cases for use within and without their organisation with frequent presentations. Similar for business people, lawyers, doctors etc.

Personal Styles and Work Practices
Different writers also have different styles and work practices. Many successful are strongly attached both
to the details of their practice and the tools they use; they will have found that this helps then to 'get in the zone'. Just like sports people. The major difference is between planners and pantsers (who split into those who set off running until they reach an end, and those who set off running and then rest and look around before they continue), but there is also a difference between those who really prefer physical pen and paper and those who prefer digital, and the technologically adept versus those who like it kept simple. And then, those who write anywhere and everywhere and those only write in one place (and some writers work on one project at a time while others work on many).

Writers' Problems
Then there are the various blocks or problems that many, but not all, writers face. Primary amongst these appears to be Not Being Able to Start Writing or Procrastination. The whole edifice of NaNoWriMo appears to have been built on this problem. Software has a variety of ways of trying to help writers tackle this ranging from a distraction free screen, to targets and reminders, and exhortations

Initial Observations
Many old programs that have been without updates for the best part of a decade still work as designed. I feel that this is some sort of tribute to both Microsoft and their original programming.
I like tabs. I thought browsers had demonstrated how most people like tabs. I think they are the easiest way to navigate open documents. I regard OneNote as the best example (Notebook tabs on the left, Section tabs above and a hierarchy of Page tabs on the right), but have been surprised at how many programs stick to folder/document hierarchies and don't use tabs at all.


I shall consider the software (Windows only) in three categories:-

Specialist software for writers
    v3 beta of Scrivener (time limited) is freely downloadable from here.
    Click for Note
    This is much changed from v1 and it does not feel appropriate to construct a formal review table when features are still being activated etc.
    Usually I would feel happy to comment on the  basis of a 4th beta, BUT. Scrivener always had a learning curve, but my impression is that it has become much bigger in v3 and the whole thing now feels rather unwieldy. I really like L&L and found v1 OK and have been using each beta as it came out, but, at this point, I'm not sure how usable I will find v3, though I expect it to be much smoother. I will be leaving it now until the final version is out and then trying again. I assume it all works more elegantly on the Mac, but currently does not feel anything like as intuitive as some equally complex Windows only programs. IMHO.


    • Outline4D
    Atomic Scribbler (with SmartEdit add-on)
    Click for Table
    PriceAtomic Scribbler
    SmartEdit Add-on
    Free
    $67
    SummaryTraditional three pane outliner (tree on left, document in centre, and other things in right panerl - notes etc). Document pane has tabs for recently opened documents and the main ribbon has buttons for Document, Fragments and Research. Documents and Fragments are saved as docx/rtf/txt files in project folder, so can be edited by other programs and the program runs on a sqlite database.&nbsp
    Research and CollectionImports Word, RTF and Text files. 'Imported' PDFs, image files etc open in default program..
    Own MaterialYes, in Fragments tree.
    Brainstormingna.
    OrganisationOnly by using the tree.
    WritingYou can use a single view with only the document you are working on (and the tabs above). The ribbon can be minimised..
    Revising and EditingUses the SmartEdit add-on. Fairly simple, counting adverbs, repeated phrases, checking sentence length etc. I didn't see readability calculations.
    PublishingExports as Word, RTF or Text document.
    Anti-Distraction ToolsCan show just the main document view.
    Anti-Procrastination Toolsna.
    Writers' ToolsWord count, daily word count.
    Online & SharingOnce found, the documents can be edited by other programs. Otherwise none.
    Securityna.
    Major Plus PointsSimple  attractive interface
    Easy to understand
    Dark theme
    .
    Major Minus PointsSlower than I expected
    No mouse accessibility for some common functions (eg select all)
    .
    Things That Could Be ImprovedAccess to more mouse buttons or right clicks.
    Glitches and Problemsna.
    Who Would It Suit?A writer whose needs are simple and straightforward
    Says it is designed for fiction, but would suit any type of writing where the needs weren't too heavy or specific
    3,4,5,7,8
    Who Would It Not Suit?Anyone with more complex needs1,2,6

    • Page Four
    Writer's Cafe
    Click for Table
    Price.$40/£24
    SummaryDeveloped by a husband (programmer) and wife (novelist) team, Writer’s Cafe has many individual/idiosyncratic features mostly aimed at the development end of fiction writing. It is not intuitive and I had to read the manual to learn how to access many of them. Current version was launched in 2008 but there have been regular updates since then, the last in April 2017.
    It describes itself as a cross-platform (Windows, Mac, Linux, Pi) “set of power tools for all fiction writers - to help fill the gap for freer, less structured story planning". In an interview in 2012, the novelist half of the developer team said “I tend to use it on an as and when I need it basis - I can plan out a whole novel with it, other times, it's is just a small sequence of events that I focus on”. “I don’t any other software on the planning/story development front.”

    The features include StoryLines (index cards allocated to story lines, to ease plotting), Journal, Notebook, Pinboard, Scrapbook (which includes a simple mindmapping area).

    Writer’s Cafe offers many features absent in other programs, but needs updating/rewriting with easier to access writing panes and improved formatting/export.
    .
    Research and CollectionCan be done through cut and paste into Journal, Notebook, Pinboard or Scrapbook.
    Own MaterialAs above.
    BrainstormingYes - using Scrapbook Collage or Pinboard .
    OrganisationUsing StoryLines.
    WritingThe content pane for the index cards has no limit.
    Revising and Editingna.
    PublishingExport as htm, txt, odt, htb or chm
    Anti-Distraction ToolsContent window can be full screen.
    Anti-Procrastination ToolsHas stopwatch/timer
    Many tools to help shift writers block, including  writing exercises and a little game.
    Not sure if these would actually help procrastinators.
    .
    Writers' ToolsSpellchecker.
    Online & Sharingna.
    Securityna.
    Major Plus PointsCreative development tools
    Tool separation means that story can be switched while still using same journal, notebook etc
    .
    Major Minus PointsVery steep learning curve.
    Looks a bit old and tired
    .
    Things That Could Be ImprovedWriting pane, formatting and export options
    General updating to make it more intuitive and flow better
    .
    Glitches and ProblemsMany functions take too many clicks to implement.
    Who Would It Suit?Fiction writers including playwrights and screenwriters3, 5, 6, 7
    Who Would It Not Suit?Most people would find it too complex1, 2, 4, 8

    WritewayPro
    Click for Table
    PriceFree since January 2017, due to retirement. Still requires registration. Free
    SummaryA 3 window (Composition, Characters, Research) program for novelists; all windows have own tree and can be on screen together. Composition mode has Storyboard view. .
    Research and Collection Can browse internet and files. Saving internet pages would require right click (Evernote, OneNote etc), screen capture or cut and paste..
    Own Material There's a section for future book ideas, but the structure of the program is built around a single novel so own material could simply be a section on the research tree..
    Brainstorming na.
    Organisation The Storyboard is helpful. Cards have a number of categories (plot, conflict, dialogue etc) that can give a more visual summary of the storyline. Allows the structure to be built before the writing..
    Writing Works OK, can be single pane..
    Reviewing and Editing Can save snapshots & make notes about potential future revisions.
    Lists words & frequency in document
    .
    Publishing Reasonable. Has some formatting & front/back pages, contents etc. Can export as RTF, PDF, HTML, doc, docx. There are draft, galley, manuscript and publish ready modes..
    Anti-distraction Tools Can view just the page that is being worked on; main toolbar can be hidden..
    Anti-procrastination Tools Shows % finished. Can see chart of work done each day..
    Writers Tools Word and Character count.
    Online & Sharing Has own browser that can be used to navigate the internet, so saving into other programs or internet storage should be possible..
    SecurityHas some password protection..
    Major Plus PointsCovers all the basics.
    Straightforward to use.
    Free
    .
    Major Minus Points Still needs registration
    No longer being developed or supported (development appears to have stopped 2012)
    .
    Points for Improvement..
    Glitches and ProblemsPotential problems with installation (see comments below)
    Some websites cause a js problem that freezes program
    .
    Who would it suit? Designed for novelists only. Would work for biographers, historians 5, 6
    Who would it NOT suit? Anyone with more mixed needs. 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8

    • yWriter
    yWriter 6
    Click for Table
    PriceWindows or Linux
       (Optional registration - Gold)
       (Optional registration - Silver)
        both levels of registration are really donations
    Android
    iOS
    Free
    $24.95
    $11.95
    .
    £4.14
    £4.99
    SummaryyWriter is a clean, functional writing program with not an ounce of unnecessary fat or muscle. The developer is also an active novelist who uses the program - "yWriter already does everything I need, but people keep asking for new features ... yWriter is already good enough for a working novelist. After that, some of the features start to get a little ... exotic". Cross platform (Windows, Linux, Android, iOS). Text based; there's little to support writers who work visually.
    It covers the organisation and writing stages only; it will export into epub/kindle etc, but I think formatting is limited (though I've not tested it out yet); accommodates easy import, export, reimport. Many features to support organisation and feedback. Designed for novelists but language file is easily edited to allow repurposing.
    Project based, with organisation into Chapters and Scenes with panels for characters, locations and items. Writing is in a pop out window.The scenes can be edited in an external RTF editor and analysed in an editing program.
    .
    Research and Collectionna.
    Own MaterialWould have to put it in separate 'chapter' or Project.
    Brainstormingna.
    OrganisationChapters and Scenes. Storyboard with Story Lines tracking characters..
    WritingPop out window. Text background can be set to dark with light text..
    Revising and EditingMany feedback features to aid revision. Has tags. Limited number of features for editing but can easily be edited in external edit program. Frequently used words and counts words ending ly etc etc.
    PublishingExports to rtf, HTML, LaTex,ebook and obfuscated NaNoWriMo.
    Anti-Distraction ToolsWriting in pop out window.
    Anti-Procrastination ToolsWord count and target.
    Always shows number of words done today and main panel shows total in project and each chapter.
    .
    Writers' ToolsSpell checker. Easy to track characters, locations and items through scenes. Ratings for scenes (eg Tension etc).
    Online & SharingAndroid and iOS versions. Works with Dropbox and Google Drive..
    SecurityCan be password 'protected' - but RTFs can be read without needing that and no encryption..
    Major Plus PointsVery functional. All features are useful.
    Can be used by pantsers or planners.
    Active Google Discussion group
    .
    Major Minus PointsNo dark theme - I would have found it very hard to use if my vision was the same as last year..
    Things That Could Be ImprovedWould benefit from ability to do tables and images in editor.
    Glitches and ProblemsNone noticed.
    Who Would It Suit?Novelists3, 5, 6, 7
    Who Would It Not Suit?Frequent users of tables and images
    Anyone who needs research or brainstorming integrated. Could be used by everyone except 8 if they were happy with external brainstorming/creation and research tools
    1, 2, 4, 8

    • The Novel Factory
    • WriteItNow
    WriteItNow
    Click for Table
    PriceWindows & OSX$59.95
    SummaryProject based, it is a pretty and intuitive, 2 pane system with a rigidly sequenced tree on the left. The tabs on the right mirror the tree: Overview Content (Front, Chapters, Back), Characters, Events, Locations, Props + Notes, Ideas, Charts, References and Submissions. Huge number of features. Very good Quick Start guide (40+ pages) and Manual (300+ pages). Support is responsive.

    Clearly it is a system designed for fiction (but would also be fine for biography or history). It does a lot of hand-holding for the using the program, for creation and for writing.

    While it is possible to dive in and start writing, the benefits of the program need a lot of information to be entered on characters, locations etc etc. This can be done at the beginning (ideal for a procrastinating plotter), as the writing is done, or after a large chunk of writing. Only when a lot of information is entered can the charts for relationships, timelines etc be fully used.

    The overhead is increased by things having to be done in a set way, which may not be the most efficient. Eg pictures have to be put into the character fields by selecting through a file explorer (and the images take a while to show in it); characters can't be added when working with the relationships chart (which could otherwise function as a form of brainstorming). I find it faster to paste from browsers or other programs. There are very few levels in the hierarchy (eg 1 level for characters; content is just chapters and scenes); couldn't imagine managing LOTR with this. And some limitations: no tables or images in the scene editor. Can be a lot of mouse activity switching between windows.

    The system for managing characters, events etc is actually pretty good (and options can usually be added), but the overall design means that it will be most effective with a limited cast and simple relationships. But, to be fair, this is what most fiction writers write.
    .
    Research and CollectionCan add file or web links in notes.
    Own MaterialCan be added as ideas or notes..
    BrainstormingHas idea, character and name generators! Prompts!
    The charts may be helpful.
    .
    OrganisationStoryboard, Events Timelines, Relationship charts.
    WritingPop  out window; colours can be set to suit.
    Thesaurus, dictionary
    .
    Revising and EditingWord count, word frequency, readability,
    Cliches, repeated words/phrases, padding
    .
    PublishingSome formatting.
    Export to EPub, PDF, Doc, HTML, RTF, txt
    .
    Anti-Distraction ToolsPop out windows;
    Quite a busy environment otherwise
    .
    Anti-Procrastination ToolsCan set time & word targets.
    Writers' ToolsWord count, word count for section, version comparison
    Easy to track characters etc through scenes
    .
    Online & Sharingna.
    SecurityNone.
    Major Plus PointsEasy learning curve. Manual.
    Lots of options for recording and developing plot details
    .
    Major Minus PointsDoesn't feel fast; could be a good thing if it enforces adequate plotting.
    No trial.
    .
    Things That Could Be ImprovedDark theming is incomplete.
    More layers in the tree.
    .
    Glitches and ProblemsOccasional white panels when trying to work dark.
    Who Would It Suit?New fiction writers. People who prefer guidance with IT. Compulsively detailed plotters. 5, 6
    Who Would It Not Suit?Most non-fiction writers.
    Writers who do short pieces.
    Pantsers (unless they like to track detailed plotlines later)
    1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8

    • Dramatica Pro
    • Fade In
    • Liquid Story Binder
    WriteMonkey v3 (beta)
    Click for Table
    PriceMain program
    Extensions
    Free
    Donation
    SummaryA keyboard oriented text program for writers; does Markdown. Also versions for Linux & Mac. Possibly one of the best apps for the writing process. The version tested was the v3 Beta and so still a work in progress..
    Research and Collectionna.
    Own MaterialEasy to save snippets and other files.
    Brainstormingna.
    Organisationna.
    WritingA pure text typing program with text folding, bookmarks and jumps.
    Revising and Editingna.
    PublishingA range of options for exporting text.
    Anti-Distraction ToolsA virtually empty whole screen mode
    An range of soundloops (beach, birds, fire etc) to reduce distractions from noise
    .
    Anti-Procrastination ToolsStamina bar, goals, word per minute.
    Writers' Toolsword count.
    Online & Sharingna.
    Securityna.
    Major Plus PointsPure focus on text creation
    Text folding
    Good colour and dark themes
    Configurability
    Can be virtually completely controlled from the keyboard
    .
    Major Minus PointsNeed to configure to suit personal use
    Currently need to edit settings files (but this may change in a later version of the beta)Keyboard orientation (works with mouse, but obviously aimed at keyboard users)
    .
    Things That Could Be ImprovedA ribbon (with toggle) would make program more accessible to new & mouse users without impacting function for anyone else. I appreciate that this does not fit with design philosophy.
    Glitches and Problemsna (it is a beta - coding not yet complete).
    Who Would It Suit?Distractible keyboard-oriented writers who think purely in words.
    Who Would It Not Suit?Users who need visual cues
    Non technically minded users who wouldn't be comfortable editing a settings file
    .


    Outliners/Notetakers/PIMs  (most specialist tools are of this type, but there are many others with similar functionality that do not advertise themselves as aimed at writers).
      doogiePIM
      Click for Table
      Price.$69/£49
      SummaryThis is a full multi-function PIM that has all the functions of a traditional outliner++++.
      Documents, Journal, Noteboard, Scratchpad, File Explorer, Task List, Browser, Email, Calendar, Planner, Spreadsheet, Vault.
      There is a Tabs/History ribbon (L/R) for open pages, a section ribbon next to it and a tree to the left of the document pane. The document pane can be used in a separate window, and a number of separate windows can be open at once.
      Portable, regular updates, responsive developer
      .
      Research and CollectionHas file explorer & screen capture
      PDF and document text and images can be inserted into documents, journal or noteboard
      .
      Own MaterialCan be saved in Journal.
      BrainstormingNotes on noteboard can be freely moved, coloured and linking lines can be inserted.
      OrganisationTree & outline
      Noteboard
      Planners
      .
      WritingOutline tree with full function word processor
      Also Journal, Noteboard & planner
      .
      Revising and EditingCan insert textbox comments in documents and colour selected text using colour bar
      Readability stats: Lexical density, Gunning-Fog, Flesch-Kincaid, Reading Ease
      .
      PublishingLimited to exporting documents on at a time (txt, rtf, docx) but developer has promised multiple documents very soon.
      Anti-Distraction ToolsDocument pane can be in separate window with ribbons turned off.
      Anti-Procrastination ToolsChimes (visual and auditory) can be set to strike every 15 minutes.
      Writers' ToolsWord, character and zentence count
      Word frequency
      .
      Online & SharingAndroid client is in works
      Browser can be used to cut/paste/export to web
      .
      SecurityDatabase can be encrypted
      Also has file or folder encryption or zipping
      .
      Major Plus PointsVery functional Document Editor
      Journal
      Very flexible planning with Noteboard
      Hyperlinks between items in different sections
      .
      Major Minus PointsMultiple document export needs to be implemented.
      Things That Could Be Improved..
      Glitches and Problemsreported bugs tend to be squished quickly.
      Who Would It Suit?Could be ideal for writer who publishes independently (including website & blog, conventions, accounts etc) and would prefer to manage all tehir writing related activity within one program.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8
      Who Would It Not Suit?Playwrights/Screenwriters - no formatting
      Anyone who would be overwhelmed by the number of functions available; I don't find it a problem as I find it easy to ignore what I don't use
      7

      • EssentialPIM
      • RightNote
      RightNote
      Click for Table
      PriceFree version
      Standard Version
      Professional Version
      Free
      $29.95
      $59.95
      SummaryReview is for Professional version (has Evernote sync and Journal).
      RightNote  is a database (in SQLite) that has the traditional hierarchy tree outline on the left with a pane on the right. The Editor is entirely adequate but has few extras for writers. There is a full screen mode, and the side panels can be hidden, but it takes a few clicks to operate. Has spreadsheet mode. Tabs for different open documents.
      The program is really all about the outline and the ability to integrate with Evernote. It is particularly good at web or screen clips but less good at managing documents (can be imported into database but then viewed in external program; doogiePIM automatically offered OCR for PDF, RightNote doesn't do it except through Evernote) although it will import files and folders as links or attachments. Many tree tools including hoist, panel for folders/tags which make it much easier to manage a large database. Can send notes to other programs (OneNote, Ultra Recall in my case).
      Easy to use initially, the many features present quite a steep learning curve.
      It is perfectly easy to write in the editor, in a multilayer outline, and export in docx, HTML, rtf format etc, but no reason to choose to do so in this program unless you were using the information stored in the database.
      Actively maintained and supported.
      .
      Research and CollectionThe program can import (or link) files, folders etc into the database and can also manage Evernote notes and clips. This makes it a very versatile PIM for working on web material and other documents..
      Own MaterialCan be save in separate Notebook or folder. Has a Journal option..
      Brainstormingna.
      OrganisationMultiple outlining options.
      WritingWord processor is good.
      Revising and EditingVaried highlighting.
      PublishingExport to webpage, docx, doc, RTF, txt, HTML.
      Anti-Distraction ToolsFull screen mode.
      Anti-Procrastination Toolsnone.
      Writers' ToolsWord count and spell checker.
      Online & SharingPortable. Sync with Evernote.
      SecurityCan encrypt (128-bit) database or selected notes.
      Major Plus PointsEvernote links
      Information storage
      .
      Major Minus PointsLimited tools for writers.
      Things That Could Be ImprovedAll symbols are not easy to identify in dark mode.
      Glitches and ProblemsError message once in virtually empty new database (program able to continue).
      Who Would It Suit?Writers who use research, especially web research
      Could be a useful research supplement to programs lacking in this area.
      3, 4, 7
      Who Would It Not Suit?Writers who want a program to support creative development.
      Writers who want a simple and straightforward program.
      Researchers whose research needs are primarily oriented to books, journal articles and citations.
      1, 2, 5, 6, 8

      Simplenote
      Click for Table
      Price.
      Free
      SummaryA very simple, text only, non-hierarchical note system (with tags)
      Code is Open Source since 2016
      .
      Research and Collection Would have to cut and paste
      Own Material Observations and snippets could be noted anywhere
      .
      Brainstorming na .
      Organisation na .
      Writing Yes, simple and distraction free
      .
      Reviewing and Editing na .
      Publishing No formatting possible
      .
      Anti-distraction Tools Very simple interface
      .
      Anti-procrastination Tools na .
      Writers Tools Word and Character count
      .
      Online & Sharing Automatic sync. Hosted on Google Cloud
      .
      Security Encrypted in transit but not on servers. No encryption available for individual notes
      .
      Major Plus PointsExcellent dark theme
      Multi platfrom (Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS, web)
      Automatic synchronisation. Collaboration possible.
      Markdown enabled.
      .
      Major Minus Points I've no idea how they make money
      Limited encryption

      .
      Points for Improvement . .
      Glitches and Problems . .
      Who would it suit? Anyone who wants a quick and easy way to make text notes anywhere, accessible from all devices. Could add that capability to a Windows only program 1,3, 4, 6, 7

      Who would it NOT suit? Anyone who wants to keep their notes local and secure 2, 5, 8


      • TreeDBNotes
      • Ultra Recall

      Card based systems
      The underlying advantage of card based systems is that they encourage a bottom-up, write_what_you_are_thinking_about_at_the_time approach. This is how a lot of writers think, but the traditional top-down, hierarchical approach may discourage it (though all allow it, and the systems with card views make it easy to do too).
      • Gingko
      Gingko
      Click for Table
      Although Gingko describes itself as a sideways tree with the root on the left, with each note being able to branch up, down and right.
      However, there are many ways in which it can be used, and these are really only limited by the export options which are a) for any note+its children or b) for any column.

      This means that it can mimic the fiction writing systems above. Column 1 could be characters, 2 locations etc. Notes can be copied and pasted, so a template note can be set at the top of a column. The following columns can be the outline/chapters and then a series of scenes.

      Alternatively, for a 'whodunit', the story root can be the final scene resolution and the branches to the right can be the various strands that lead to dead ends or that final resolution. Time would then go from right to left and the final sequence in the right hand column would reflect the order in which the scenes would appear in the book.

      Or the columns could be fairly random with small sub-trees.
      The way it works and looks encourages people to write a section at the time it is in their mind, wherever it might fit in the overall structure of their work. Academic and business writers are used to doing this because the sections are usually fairly clearly defined and information and ideas will usually come in sections. Fictions writers less so, even though many will work through scenes in their mind well before they reach their place in the narrative, and indeed pivotal scenes are often imagined like this and intervening may simply be the (unimportant) journey from A to B. Rather like Mozart who apparently only wrote the arias, overture and other interesting bits, leaving others to fill in the rest; the same system as Renaissance artists: Gingko encourages this without unfortunately providing anyone to do the filling in.

      Very flexible.

      Priceweb default

      desktop default
      $12 per month
      ($2-$21)
      $45
      ($15-$90)
      SummaryThis review is of the desktop version which is still in development (I wouldn't use a web only program), but comments also apply to the web version. A note based tree system. All the notes are arranged in columns; each column is easily scrolled with the mouse wheel. A new file starts with a single card on the left which can develop a tree by going up, down or to the right
      and so on. Cards can be rearranged later including shifting to any column to the left.

      Text based (JSON, MarkDown) with keyboard shortcuts for all commands.
      .
      Research and Collectionna.
      Own MaterialPut anywhere or in separate file.
      Brainstormingna.
      OrganisationNotes and sub-trees can be moved anywhere.
      WritingStraightforward. Very fast for keyboard user to create extra cards.
      Revising and Editingna.
      PublishingExport trees or columns to docx, txt, JSON.
      Anti-Distraction ToolsNone but impact of other notes is small. .
      Anti-Procrastination Toolsna.
      Writers' ToolsNone.
      Online & SharingHas web version. Can move files between web and desktop..
      Securityna.
      Major Plus PointsFast for keyboard only users.
      Non-intimidating interface makes it easy for people just to write what is in their mind anywhere.
      .
      Major Minus PointsSomewhat irksome for mouse users.
      Writers need word count.
      .
      Things That Could Be ImprovedControl of column width.
      Ability to return a text full card to default small size.
      Colour cards.
      Easy way to insert images.
      Better mouse controls (right click menu).
      .
      Glitches and Problemsna - still early in development.
      Who Would It Suit?Keyboard users.
      Worth trying for people with writers block
      Potentially 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
      Who Would It Not Suit?People who like to outline separately.
      People who work visually.
      Anyone who wants all necessary features in one program.
      Heavy mouse users.
      Potentially 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

      • Googe Keep, Docs, Drive + PaperPile
      • NoteZilla

      NoteZilla
      Click for Table
      It may seem very odd to include NoteZilla, a sticky note utility, in a review of writers' tools.
      BUT the program has many functions which make it very capable.
      Firstly, notes:-
      • Can be rolled up or down
      • Be any colour
      • Have many patterns
      • Have one of a number of transparency levels
      • Can be hidden or on top
      • Have a very able RTF editor in which images and tables can be pasted (and the tables then work)
      • Have spell checker, word and character count
      • Be resized
      • Be attached to desktop, a window or memoboard
      • Contain file and/or folder links
      • Have tags
      • Be encrypted

      And there is the Notes Browser, which can contain any number of memoboards arranged as a hierarchical outline, which makes it easy to manage a very large number of notes.  And a group of selected notes can be exported as a single HTML or txt document. This suggests number of ways in which NoteZilla can be used as a tool for writing:-
      • For writing directly into a note
      • For brainstorming events/characters in the plot by rearranging the sequence and relationships on the screen
      • Using separate memoboards for Characters, Locations etc it would be easy to have the relevant characters etc on screen when plotting or writing scenes
      • Other notes can be used as file links for research

      The different colours, ability to use images etc would make this a very visual way of working. The program can be used for brainstorming, research, organising as well as writing which gives the option of using it right through to the revising/editing stage or just for research, organising etc using another program for the writing.
      Very mouse friendly, and the notes could be organised in a similar way to Gingko, except with more colour.

      PriceFirst year
      Subsequent years
      $29.95
      14.95
      SummaryWindows sicky note app with subscription to NoteZilla web + free apps for Android & iOS; portable version available.

      Very visual, very colourful. See above.
      .
      Research and CollectionCan link to files and folders; can cut and past into notes.
      Own MaterialCan set up memoboard for Notes, Ideas, Observations or Journal (all notes are dated).
      BrainstormingNotes can be coloured, tagged, have images and moved around the screen. Could have a display of relationships, or put characters in locations, and move them through events. .
      OrganisationEasy to organise or reorganise.
      WritingEasy to write in a note (which can be any size)..
      Revising and Editingna.
      PublishingGroups of notes can be exported as single document to HTML or txt.
      Anti-Distraction ToolsNotes not needed can be hidden or rolled up.
      Anti-Procrastination ToolsNotes can be set up as timed reminders.
      Writers' ToolsWord and character count, spell checker.
      Online & SharingCan send individual notes to a contact.
      There are Android, iOS and web versions.
      Sync seems to work well
      .
      SecurityIndividual notes are easily encrypted (using one master password).
      Major Plus Points Very visual and flexible; good for creative development and providing information while writing..
      Major Minus PointsOnly OK for writing and not suitable for revising, editing and further.
      Things That Could Be ImprovedAbility to manually choose sequence of notes for export
      Grouped export to include images and tables (though knowing they will be stripped out may have advantages in use)
      .
      Glitches and ProblemsSometimes a small flicker on typing.
      Who Would It Suit?Visually oriented users. Mouse users.
      Potentially 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
      Who Would It Not Suit?Keyboard oriented users (though there are keyboard shortcuts)Potentially 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

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      Other Software.
      • OneNote
      • Evernote

      Publishing/Editing Tools
      • ProWritingAid
      • SmartEdit
      • Jutoh

      Other Tools
      • AeonTimeline

      Provisonal interim conclusions

      Given the hiatus, my initial pass through a wide range of programs has clearly stumbled to a halt. Over the next week or so, I will go through the programs that I have already used and allocate scores in the different categories.  Over time (ie slowly) I will add more programs - in particular, a Word Processor group (though I may be slightly biased in that I dislike them all for outlining), Scrivener (once the new version is out), the Google & Paperpile system, and OneNote/Evernote.

      My first, and major, conclusion is one I knew before I started which is that everyone should use the programs that they like best and are most comfortable using. Providing they meet current needs; hopefully the review indicates some needs that won't be met and alternatives to consider if that is the case.

      I have some interim conclusions for my own use. I have a wide variety of currently active projects at different stages: well into double figures in number. With some changes of detail I have, at one time or another, past experience of all the types of work listed above, usually in conjunction with other roles. My visual issues mean that I need programs that can be adjusted to suit me. I like visual methods of organisation and editing and analysing text. I work on PCs, but also on Android, and iOS less often. I have always written happily enough on anything that has come to hand - PCs, mainframes, phones, tablets, scraps of paper, old fashioned typewriters &etc and have used a huge number of programs. I use a multi-monitor array (3 atm - all large - 2 always on) and when I am using sources or reminders, I prefer to have them visible. My experience is that the actual first draft writing stage is the least sensitive part of the process and the parts before and after that are the most. I generally prefer database type solutions to files and folders, although I see  advantages to both.

      My new favourite method of having the necessary information in front of me is to use NoteZilla. Partly because it is very visual and partly because everything is websynced and instantly accessible on any device. It does require some cutting and pasting as I prefer to have everything in a project database, the greater speed and flexibility in use more than compensates for the extra step. It can also be used as a very flexible corkboard for planning. Using this means that the core writing program does not need this functionality.

      My favourite program for the writing stage is now WriteMonkey 3. I can easily get the colours to suit me, I can work on lots of bits at a time and it works well with really long documents. The text folding is a superb aid to in-process mulling which avoids all the scanning up and down (or across parts) that is usually needed. It is, for me, clearly the best program for some work, but I'm not sure whether its advantages make it worth using an extra program in most projects - although it would enable the use of other programs which have a deficient writing module. But Windows only, so mobile use would need cutting and pasting into something else.

      Another program I like writing in is DoogiePIM. (which I'm using for this post). Immense flexibility for organising documents (I have this in a Journal folder). Many other features, but in reality it is just that I like it. The one concern I have about using it for major projects is that it is such a huge program with so many functions. that I worry about committing everything to it. With its predecessors, it has been going for a long time so it should all be OK, and I can use different databases anyway,, but still, I worry. It does very occasionally produce an error message; easy to deal with - just close and reopen.. but still. Again only Windows and requiring another program for mobile use; does have an integrated web browser which could obviate this need.

      The other program that I am trying in personal use is yWriter. This is the program that I would recommend first to anyone looking for a program for writing. Multi-platform. Colours adjustable. Has the usual range of features & tools, writing pane is fine. But ... I like flexibility and tend to complexity; I want extra layers of notes and resources; I want to store snippets that I've parked.. so for some projects I would want a database as well. Designed for novel writing and using it to write a science book would be awkward. Would probably suit the majority of fiction writers very well and has the advantage of very low cost (nil - option for donations).

      The one area where I have no sense of direction is in the central repository/database of all project related information. Contenders include RightNote, OneNote, DoogiePIM and Scrivener. Using files and folders is another option. I need to make an initial decision soon, because the project I'm trying in yWriter is already hitting its limits (my fault, I just want more classes of information than the majority of writers).
      Further thoughts: I don't need anything from the web, so no advantage from OneNote or RightNote/Evernote and Scrivener isn't ready. DoogiePIM would do fine, but this seems an opportunity to try the files & folder approach, which I will do first.

      As can be seen, these are personal interim and tentative conclusions. I am moving from option appraisal to longer term trials.

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      Single Vs Multi use programs
      Learning and unlearning curves and individual differences

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      910
      General Software Discussion / Re: PSA: New RightNote upgrade
      « Last post by Dormouse on May 04, 2018, 12:02 PM »
      I virtually never upgrade annually. A few things on an annual licence (eg 365) that I'll keep; a few things on an annual licence that I will review (eg EN, NoteZilla) before continuing; but mostly I either have a lifetime licence or I will upgrade sporadically - far closer to 5 years than 1. Major version upgrades are OK because there is a choice every time - but I only go with those if they are infrequent enough.

      The main thing must be to avoid upsetting a group of committed users which seems to be what has happened here.
      911
      IainB &,  mini-reviews
      ;D
      His OneNote thread is a major reference work with the author on tap
      912
      General Software Discussion / Re: finding an old password program ...
      « Last post by Dormouse on May 01, 2018, 07:43 PM »
      Hash programs do that. Is it possible it simply hashed the text?
      913
      General Software Discussion / Re: Writing related programs - Review (?)
      « Last post by Dormouse on May 01, 2018, 03:57 PM »
      If you are interested in trying this, I can give you access to my copy as it's abandonware ; they took out the checks in that copy.
      Thanks, I'd certainly be interested in having a look at it. Not reviewable, of course, since there is no public access. I've had a look at the videos on the website I mentioned. I did always like multi-window progs, though most people find them too much. Quite a lot of emphasis on citations management, understandable given the website, but my personal view is that nothing currently equals PaperPile (using the Google ecosystem)/

      The mulitiple windows reminded me of Ultra Recall, which I do have (assuming I can still find my licence - yes, found it).
      914
      General Software Discussion / Re: Writing related programs - Review (?)
      « Last post by Dormouse on April 29, 2018, 09:54 AM »
      One of those links that I included (the cnet one) has the download of v3, which is the one that I have installed, and use.
      That comes up with a Buy Now or Free Trial mode both of which require authorisation from the website which no longer exists.
      915
      General Software Discussion / Re: Writing related programs - Review (?)
      « Last post by Dormouse on April 29, 2018, 08:58 AM »
      Have tried chasing IdeaMason over the net. Seems it departed, was then resuscitated as v4 and then disappeared. People seem to have been unable to extract their data after a crash. One blog had posts recommending IdeaMason but the most recent posts were about OneNote. I think I will leave it there. I regard the ability to extract data etc without getting trapped in a proprietary format as vital, and it is a potential issue with all the databases.
      916
      General Software Discussion / Re: Writing related programs - Review (?)
      « Last post by Dormouse on April 29, 2018, 04:57 AM »
      There was a piece of software that is not supported anymore, but they unlocked it before they faded- it was specifically for academics, but worked well enough for me.
      UPDATE: That was fast, just found it - IdeaMason.

      That sounds like it would work for you.  I'd suggest you give it a try.

      It's built on the idea that a paper is composed of several different things collected, sort of like what you said.  Ideas, quotes, citations, abstracts, summaries, sources- you store them and categorize them, and you can use them in different fashions to make a composition out of the parts- complete with cites.  It was way more than I needed, but did work for me for writing also.
      Thanks. iirc this was one of the programs I trialled (or peeped at) back in the day, though maybe not. The impression in my mind is of something bulky and inflexible, though I'm not sure where that's from and am happy to have a look.

      As I think about how to do it, it is striking me that your idea of individual reviews is more elegant as well as more useful to many people. My present idea is to specify a process/sequence starting with idea or need and going through working the idea up, collecting information if needed, writing, revising and editing and then publication and seeing how and where each app can fit into such a process. Then to have a (small) number of styles of writer (organised/disorganised, planner/pantser, massive attention to detail or not) and a limited number of types of project that they are working on - academic paper, book, novel, screenplay, weekly column, business report, expert legal report etc. Probably will also have to differentiate between those who have a process that dominates many hours of their lives (eg noting observations from life as in Alan Bennett or Charles Dickens), professors, high level journalists etc and those for whom it is a one off piece of work. Some people need a very light system because anything bigger is too constricting or overwhelming whereas others feel supported by having a clear and comprehensive system. Some have little to gain from software (as in the presumably apocryphal account of Barbara Cartland dictating every morning from her chaise lounge and then leaving the rest to other people [and who for a time found a way of further reducing the effort required, at least according to Georgette Heyer's legal actions]). Personally, I've tended to have a wide number of projects using software that seemed right for each - but always had a feeling that I might have been more productive if I had the one ring to rule them all.
      917
      General Software Discussion / Re: Writing related programs - Review (?)
      « Last post by Dormouse on April 28, 2018, 02:53 PM »
      I've committed to doing some, as I'm the reason most of those are there. 
      Congratulations on getting so many :Thmbsup:

      My interest is very much in an overall system and how each program can fit into that, so mini reviews of individual apps would not work for me. Not really a traditional comparative, concluding one is better than another either.

      My interest is in a variety of writing - academic papers and books, reports, 'journalism', non-fiction as well as fiction. My observation over the years is that most students and researchers have massively suboptimal methods of managing their information, planning and structuring; OK for a single piece of work but incredibly inefficient if there's a series.

      iirc I wrote a paper on the issue 10 or 20 years ago. To mostly little effect. I suspect pantsers proliferate in all fields, but it's harder to make it work with non-fiction. And some just prefer paper.

      918
      General Software Discussion / Writing related programs - Review (?)
      « Last post by Dormouse on April 28, 2018, 12:50 PM »
      I noticed that there was a large proportion of writing related programs as giveaways in the fundraiser.

      I thought that I might be able to do a comparative review if that was something that might be useful.  I have read many reviews on writer sites, few of which have ever told me anything I wanted to know. Many of which stuck to 'programs for "Writers"' rather than including other programs that can be purposed for similar functionality (or examined how to set up similar functionality using a combination of other programs).

      I have a surprising number of such programs (even ignoring those that I have forgotten or that faded away on their own). I can think of a number of categories:-
      • Typing/Writing space/Word processor - eg Write!
      • Database product that combines the above with the resources for a project and tools to help planning - eg Writer's Cafe, Atomic Scribbler.
      • Software to help guide revision/edit - eg ProWritingAid, SmartEdit
      • Software that prepares ebooks for sale on the major web platforms - eg Jutoh
      I have a lot of experience with the first two, some with the third (I have ProWritingAid) and none with the fourth (yet). Also don't have a Mac, which might be needed to do justice to the fourth, since it wouldn't make sense to ignore Vellum.

      So I'm probably better qualified to do the second category than the others.
      Initial thoughts about the programs I would cover include Scrivener, Writer's Cafe, Outline 4D, doogiePIM, OneNote, Evernote. Not sure about LiquidStoryBinder (2011) or TreeDBNotes (2015) although they are both still being sold. Have PageFour, but not Atomic Scribbler. Also have a lot of others. Happy to co-operate with anyone else who is interested.

      PS I was very late to know about the fundraising  :( - my email address was out of date. Now DC seems to recognise 2 of my current addresses, which must be good  ;D

      PPS My initial idea about doing this came when I realised that doogie|PIM had many of the 'specialist' functions of writing apps such as Scrivener.
      919
      General Software Discussion / Re: GemX - missing in action
      « Last post by Dormouse on April 27, 2018, 05:02 PM »
      Very impressed to see doogiePIM as one of the Giveaway prizes.
      Thought I'd try it out again. Remains very similar, possibly a bit smoother. Still intending Google sync and an Android version, but there seem to have been fairly frequent updates. Now on version 2.

      I'll give it a spin, since I was a frequent user of the Gemx original (albeit rather on and off and never fully committed). Lack of Android likely to be a major issue for me. I still like the range of features on a single database: makes it much more efficient if you use a lot of them on a single project.

      So far, I like the Document word count - very easy to access with common readability stats. But barely played with it yet. Will probably buy to show some support since I'm happy to see it still going when so many others have gone. And it has a forum! - though could do with more users and posts.
      920
      I bought something once. Realised it was a Chinese ripoff of a Mac product (including the image), reported it and got my money back. They didn't remove the app though.
      921
      Living Room / Re: 10 Questions Answered by Writers on their Writing Life
      « Last post by Dormouse on April 16, 2018, 02:23 PM »
      I fully agree with the conclusion that multi platform usage will be increasingly important. And not just a cloud application. I think Scrivener is vulnerable here although it's trying. Seems to be years away from an Android version. And hasn't tackled the Dropbox issues despite frequent complaints about syncing.

      I use OneNote because it "works" with this functionality.

      Unless smaller publishers get on board with this, I fear that Apple, Google and Microsoft will dominate even more than now. Not easy because it can't be a cheap road to follow.
      922
      General Software Discussion / Re: Notetaking software
      « Last post by Dormouse on February 06, 2018, 02:29 PM »
      (Then there are web programs.  Does Quip, Qippa, Clibu, Nimburs, the CMS WebAsyst or other online programs ever work effectively in this manner? This is another question.  I always think that the functionality will be reduced when you get to nitty-gritty stuff.)
      I don't really know if they work effectively. I never really consider them because I need to be able to work when I don't have access to net; so local is essential for me. Cloud is OK if it is on top of local.

      I might well return to RightNote for this element, its Windows implementation I always felt was crisp and solid.
      Agreed, but I haven't been using it recently because it's not multi-platform. That won't bother you if you wouldn't use it on iOS. Very traditional approach and I like the spreadsheet and tables.

      I like multi-platform, Evernote does that, but it is not really (to me, so far) a Research Assistant, like I think  RightNote and Scrivener might be.

      Can you explain a bit more of how you like the various products in multi-platform?  My multi is mostly Windows PC and iOS Tablet. Are they keeping your info in the cloud, Evernote style?  (Which does allow action when offline.) Is there a modest or large cost?  Which one do you like the most.

      I need a master research and/or writing assistant.  (This is in addition to using Linoit as the visual traffic cop.)
      My usage is primarily Windows & Android, but also need iOS sometimes.
      My views are largely the result of my experiences over the years and may not be entirely adjusted to now they are now. I am aware that you can (and people do) use both Evernote and OneNote to do everything, but it has never worked like that for me and neither are ideal.
      I use Evernote for snippets. I find it much the best for webclipping (have tried OneNote & many others) but I find that Evernote works best. Have also used it for some writing, some classification & do use it for information storage. Especially stuff that isn't classified. The search seems pretty good. Works well on all platforms.

      As Iain has frequently explained, you can use OneNote like that and I suppose that might work for me if I lived in it, though I doubt it. OneNote feels too heavy and cumbersome to do the stuff I do in Evernote.

      But it is probably the best as a research assistant. You can put everything in it, and have it visually organised and available when you use it. But best if you are actually doing your work using OneNote (whereas you can use Evernote just as a data store). That's how I'm using it atm. Though I don't find it entirely comfortable (absolutely hate the strange limitations particularly tables). Probably doesn't work well unless you commit and use it a lot. I also use the Onetastic automations which are a great timesaver for some aspects. Have managed to set it up with a corkboard a la Scrivener, though huge amounts of time disappeared into designing the cards because of the strange limitations. I have not problem in using Evernote and OneNote together.

      I think both can be made to work with Trello, which I'm about to try out more intensively.

      I use a pen quite a lot in both Windows and Android and both OneNote and Evernote will work with it or with dictation.

      I think I'm right in saying that they both offer local modes and encryption, but their advantages need the cloud so you have to be comfortable with their privacy and security for the information you put in.

      Just my own experience. I know I haven't pushed Evernote as far as it can go, and that I'm only scratching the surface of OneNote; I've always given up before, but suspect I'll be sticking with it this time unless something better turns up.

      I also use Google Keep a lot. Mostly because it is fast, reliable and easily accessible. But not really for research.

      Costwise, I think that they can all be used perfectly well free, but have improvements available for cost. I have Office365 which gives me the other progs & a reasonable amount of storage. Am also subscribed to Evernote Pro, but don't think I would lose much reverting to free

      I think the biggest problem with starting all these programs, apart from the surprisingly steep learning curve to get them rolling smoothly, is all the decision making around structuring the information and usage. In OneNote it is about what Notebooks, what sections and what you have on the pages, as well as all the entries on each page. Tags are an afterthought.

      With Evernote, it is about Notebooks to an extent but a lot about tagging structures.

      Other people must do it much better.


      923
      General Software Discussion / Re: Notetaking software
      « Last post by Dormouse on December 03, 2017, 01:37 PM »
      I like RightNote, it just wasn't the ... ahem.. right note for me. Own a license and I used it for a while, but I just prefer how I can write notes anywhere on OneNotes pages and also the syncing abilities with my Android phone and certain notebooks for work purposes. It just works.
      Ditto
      I have far too many licenses for similar programs that just aren't as usable as the multi-platform options: RightNote, TreeDBNotes, Ultra Recall and many others. I'm not entirely comfortable in switching to Microsoft, Google etc, but just working on everything is just so much easier and more efficient, though I will pay for Scrivener upgrades as they come along (hoping that the Android version will arrive some year or other).
      924
      General Software Discussion / Re: Notetaking software
      « Last post by Dormouse on December 01, 2017, 08:27 AM »
      What platforms do you utilize? Just Windows and Android?
      Mostly Windows & Android. iOS sometimes. Linux rarely atm.
      Don't use a Mac, but willing to get one if it has software I need (Vellum maybe) and there's no reasonable alternative elsewhere; that would be a commercial decision, but I have got by fine without it so far and I dislike the Apple ecosystem.
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      Community Giveaways / Re: Deal on Writing Software
      « Last post by Dormouse on December 01, 2017, 04:29 AM »
      It's a great achievement to complete by the deadline. I have never even contemplated the possibility of attempting it. Agree about the enabling effect of disabling the permanent quality control editor sitting over your writing mind; not that I have ever found such a switch myself  :-[

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