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General Software Discussion / Re: Ever Have a Download Site Blow You Away?
« Last post by 40hz on April 02, 2011, 02:16 PM »
It's a general problem in any software site. Advertisers make ads specifically to confuse you and make you click. The same problem holds for Source Forge, Download.com, Softpedia, etc. etc.

Probably one of the reasons why I try to stick to: FileHippo, Snapfiles, MajorGeeks, and fileforum-betanews as much as possible for Windows shareware and freeware.

To Softoxi's credit however, the instructional videos are a very nice site feature. One I'd like to see in more places - including the actual developer's sites.

Softoxi also covers some interesting products haven't seen on other software sites. That alone makes it worth a closer look.

True, many of these apps are commercially licensed demo installs. But I don't mind paying for good software. So an attached price tag is not a negative for me. (Most times, a price tag is a plus if it allows the developer to avoid all those "ad supported" schemes people have come up with.)

Thx for sharing Ren! Right when I think I know them all, somebody points me to another one. ;D

 8)
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General Software Discussion / Re: What the hell is OpenCandy?
« Last post by 40hz on April 02, 2011, 01:56 PM »

I'd guess a bit more than several years would depend on what the definition of several years is.  Wink

In my case "a bit more than several years " is about 40 - as in calendar, not biblical.  :P

My first program was a Black Jack simulation written in FORTRAN 66 and installed on (if memory serves) a System/370-145 mainframe. ;)

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General Software Discussion / Re: What the hell is OpenCandy?
« Last post by 40hz on April 02, 2011, 01:27 PM »

To be clear, in loud, bold, 20pt, red, all caps:

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...and centered. :)



Thank you Renegade! (Very elegant solution BTW. I like it!)  ;D :Thmbsup:

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Living Room / Re: Awesome Camera Lens Review
« Last post by 40hz on April 02, 2011, 12:35 PM »
If I had that kind of money to blow I'd probably be more inclined to spring for a Cray CX1 and finally get started on that rendering project I've been daydreaming about for the past three years.
 ;D
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Living Room / Re: Movies I Love to Listen To: Dialects and Accents
« Last post by 40hz on April 01, 2011, 06:20 PM »
I was married to Catherine Deneuve in another life

Awesome! :Thmbsup:

(Now if you'll just pass that bottle of white lightning you're drinking on over to me so I can take a swig, I'll tell you all about that night with Angelina Jolie which netted me a chronic back problem, bad limp, and several tattoos...)

Yeah right!
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 ;)


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Sounds like it's time for some grilled chicken wings! :mad: >:(

Fine so long as you don't eat them in front of Cody. ;D

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Living Room / Re: A Parrot Riding a Car's Windshield Wipers
« Last post by 40hz on April 01, 2011, 01:16 PM »
I'm not sure how well they've lived through the last couple of very hard winters, but they've been here wild since the 70's so they've already survived hard winters. It's no 'infestation' though - they are spreading, but slowly.

Our numbers seem to have decreased somewhat in the last few years. I don't know if the West Nile Virus that reduced the populations of many bird species around here gave them an opening. Apparently these parrots were fairly immune to it. But now that the virus seems to have run its course, and the native species have repopulated, we don't see quite so many "Monks" as we used to. Their proclivity to want to build their huge colony nests in cellphone towers led (despite public protest) to a number of extremely drastic forced 'evictions' - which also contributed to reducing their headcount.  :'(

There's still plenty of them around however. *skraaagckkk!*



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Living Room / Re: The "Cloud" Goes Up in Smoke
« Last post by 40hz on April 01, 2011, 01:00 PM »
Then they got bought-up by another bigger company

And there's the big problem! At that point probably all commitments will fly out of the window and pre-existing business ethics become irrelevant.
The big losers are MSB's without the time or financial resources to seek reasonable recompense, even supposing the perpetrator were susceptible to law.
-cranioscopical (April 01, 2011, 08:11 AM)

I think this is only the tip of the iceberg for the hassles we're opening ourselves up for with our willy-nilly and unregulated approach to putting things up on the web.  :o
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Living Room / Re: Movies I Love to Listen To: Dialects and Accents
« Last post by 40hz on April 01, 2011, 12:53 PM »
+1 for Fargo and Glengary Glen Ross

I'd probably add

  • Shakespeare in Love - it's the Bard after all! :Thmbsup:
  • The Number 23 - some of the best narrative voice-overs
  • The Usual Suspects- something about that back and forth between Kevin Spacey and Chazz Palminteri
  • Serenity - gotta love that neo-antebellum dialect spoken in Josh Whedon's 'Verse
  • Chocolat - as pleasant to listen to as it is to watch. Binoche, Olin, Moss and Dench all in the same film? Plus Sally Taylor-Isherwood doing the voiceovers? What's not to like? (Great soundtrack which includes some fine Gypsy jazz guitar if you're a Django Reinhardt fan too!)
8)

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General Software Discussion / Re: What the hell is OpenCandy?
« Last post by 40hz on April 01, 2011, 12:15 PM »
Yes, indeed it is a functional difference.  Several things run on your machine without being installed

Just a minor niggle... ;)

I think you might have missed what I was trying to say there.

Based on what I learned from my professors, the fact that a piece of code is capable of being run is proof positive an installation occurred. There is absolutely no "functional difference" between installing to RAM or HD, because in either case it accomplishes the exact same function - getting a piece of binary code into a place where it can be executed by the target system.

To paraphrase so there's no confusion: If it's runnable - it's been installed.


You have a very ... unorthodox view of being installed.  :huh:

The act of installation requires some very discreet actions that would seem to put lie to your explanation, and this is coming from someone who did installers for several years many moons ago on many varied OSes.

If it's an unorthodox view, it's one shared by many. :P

I started referring to the act of loading an executable into working memory as an "install" after hearing Marvin Minsky refer to it that way during a lecture in 1977. Back then, we didn't differentiate between the act of "installing" in your sense (i.e. on a drive or other storage media) and loading it into RAM for execution. It was the act of loading and running that constituted the "install."

And since we're trotting out our CVs, my view is from the perspective of someone who (like yourself) has programmed and installed software on various OSs for...well, let's just say a bit more than several years, starting with IBM's System/360 on mainframes, and Digital Research's CP/M on personal computers. :)


For one thing, installation by any practical definition implies that the software in question can be run again without any need for further installation (leaving out the situation of a software upgrade, since the act of upgrading is changing the delta of the installed software.

That's a new one for me. Bounced it off a couple of system admin cohorts of mine. Both felt your qualification that it "can be run again without any need for further installation" is not a valid criteria because they routinely install and run software utilities (not updates) that execute once and then remove themselves from the system. :tellme:

We could continue this endlessly, presenting different examples and exceptions. But why bother? If you don't agree with my definition of what constitutes a software "installation," that's fine too.

Sometimes "agreeing to disagree" is educational in its own right. 8) :Thmbsup:



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 ;D ;D ;D

Go bird!!!  :Thmbsup:


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General Software Discussion / Re: DC is Much Smoother in Opera
« Last post by 40hz on April 01, 2011, 07:26 AM »
^Significantly better experience. Thx again!  :Thmbsup:

P.S. I'm running the PortableApps version of Opera. Didn't want to hard install yet another browser on this poor little Windows machine. It's got enough problems already.   ;D
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General Software Discussion / Re: What the hell is OpenCandy?
« Last post by 40hz on April 01, 2011, 07:00 AM »
So why most developers that partner with OC hid that fact?


I suppose that the sins of the past with stealth adware have created an environment of paranoia. The media certainly doesn't help as we've just seen yet once again with that false positive on the Samsung laptops.
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Plainly, I think that a lot of developers are just scared. I can't say as I blame them.

I don't think it's so much an issue of blaming or excusing as it is simply asking OC to yield on a business issue that many will (with some justification) be highly suspicious of.

That's why I think PhilB66 and others bring the whole problem to point by asking why developers seem to be hiding the fact they are partnering with OC.

And I think the only answer is because it betters the odds the average end-user is more likely go along with it if they don't know about it.

Which makes the practice somewhat questionable.

If it's motivated by a desire to slip something past the end-user, then it smacks of dishonesty. If it's based on some sort of "they don't need to know" and "media paranoia" justification, then it comes very close to being insulting since that presumes the developers knows best what their users need to know - or are capable of understanding.

In any case, operating like this doesn't do much to engender trust in a relationship. And it also has the potential side effect of stoking the rumor mill as well as making it that much harder for the developer to respond creditably to accusations. Most people feel if you weren't forthright at the beginning of a relationship, you won't be later on should a problem arise.

Can't have it both ways.

There's an old saying that goes: Burn me once - shame on you. Burn me twice - shame on me.

Unfortunately, in these (also justifiably) suspicious times, many potential customers won't be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if they suspect you're holding out on them.

Quack!  ;D (Kidding...just kidding.)


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@Renegade - <OT> - tried your suggestion in another thread regarding DC being smoother in Opera. I'm using Opera right now - and you're right!
Whole mo' better experience compared to FF. :Thmbsup:
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General Software Discussion / Re: DC is Much Smoother in Opera
« Last post by 40hz on April 01, 2011, 06:25 AM »
Interesting...

I've also noticed DC is much smoother in Firefox while running off a Puppy Linux (MacPup variant) 'live' CD.

One of these days I'm going to have to go through all my extensions and add-ons one by one to see if there's one particular item that's making such a big difference. (Although it could just be that Firefox's miserable internal database doesn't get used much since the CD is read-only.)

Now off to try Opera on one of my main machines...

Thx Renegade! :Thmbsup:

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General Software Discussion / Re: What the hell is OpenCandy?
« Last post by 40hz on March 31, 2011, 11:39 PM »
Yes, indeed it is a functional difference.  Several things run on your machine without being installed

Just a minor niggle... ;)

I think you might have missed what I was trying to say there.

Based on what I learned from my professors, the fact that a piece of code is capable of being run is proof positive an installation occurred. There is absolutely no "functional difference" between installing to RAM or HD, because in either case it accomplishes the exact same function - getting a piece of binary code into a place where it can be executed by the target system.

To paraphrase so there's no confusion: If it's runnable - it's been installed.

 :)
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Note: I do consider the code Java scripts and ASPs to be installed when they're called in by a browser. So much so that I employ script blockers and a few other safeguards to make sure things don't install themselves into my system RAM without me first giving them explicit permission.

Which is a shame in a way. I don't want to block advertising and banners on sites I visit because I have a philosophical issue with my site hosts looking to earn some affiliate revenue by including them. I only do so because so many sites began abusing scripting technologies that I felt I had no choice.

That's why I object to what OC is trying to do by redefining words and undermining an informal industry guideline that has served its end-users well. Because even if it does little to prevent installation scripts from playing games, it's still valuable it that it serves as a standard for what should be considered acceptable behavior.

Just my 2ยข 8)

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General Software Discussion / Re: What the hell is OpenCandy?
« Last post by 40hz on March 31, 2011, 08:50 PM »
But that's the thing -- It doesn't get installed! It runs, but it isn't installed.

Sorry. I'm a bit color blind in that end of the spectrum.  :)

Regardless of whether it copies itself onto the hard drive, or loads itself into RAM before it runs, it's still installed on your system. The mechanism employed for the IPL* (initial program load) is a technical detail, not a functional difference.

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* At least that's what they called it when I was taking my CompSci courses in college.  ;D
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Living Room / Re: A Parrot Riding a Car's Windshield Wipers
« Last post by 40hz on March 31, 2011, 07:19 PM »
I think Cody may need a friend when he gets back from his world tour.

Maybe a big green parrot named Syntax? ;D

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Living Room / Re: A Parrot Riding a Car's Windshield Wipers
« Last post by 40hz on March 31, 2011, 07:15 PM »
^They do get a little loud at times.

But other than that minor niggle, I think they're great. :Thmbsup:
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Living Room / Re: A Parrot Riding a Car's Windshield Wipers
« Last post by 40hz on March 31, 2011, 07:05 PM »
We have an 'infestation' of Monk Parakeets where I live. (Full story courtesy of the CT Audubon Society can be found here if anybody's interested.)

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Big (12") birds! Electric green with unbelievably blue wingtips. Gorgeous creatures.

Looks much like what's on that guy's windshield.

Three comments:

1. Large parrots like this one usually have to have their wings clipped if they're to be kept as pets. This is done to help prevent the bird injuring itself when indoors. It doesn't cause any harm or distress to the bird. (This is according to my friend Penny, who is a licensed animal rescuer, used to work for Audobon, has a degree in this stuff, and owns parrots.)

2. I won't comment on the advisability of letting your parrot cling to a windshield wiper while driving. However, high winds don't seem to bother these guys all that much. When hurricane Gloria slammed into CT in 1985, there were bird carcasses all over the place when it was over.

But the big colony of monk parakeets in a tree at the top of my GF's street was intact with nary a casualty in sight. Watching out the window we could see these guys hunkered down and holding on in Category 3 through Category=1 winds that took down several trees plus all the power lines on her street.

3. From my own personal experiences with my friend Penny's parrots, I have to agree with nudone. If you do something to piss a parrot off, you'll know about it in short order. And they also seem to nurse grudges and figure ways to get some payback if you really upset them. So if that guy is able to get near that bird afterwards, I doubt it is upset about what went down. Knowing how crazy some parrots are, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this bird enjoyed it.

 :)
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General Software Discussion / Re: What the hell is OpenCandy?
« Last post by 40hz on March 31, 2011, 06:25 PM »
My objection to OC isn't so much what it does on a technical level. My objection is with it's business model.

What they are doing is attempting to unilaterally redefine what constitutes adware and to justify an installation method that is basically stealthed.

I additionally have a problem with their "dealers choice" options for how it gets used (default in/default out) in an individual developer's application. I don't know if this is to provide OC with what they may feel is 'plausible deniability' when accused of being adware, or what.

Up until now, there has been pretty much universal agreement that anything which gets installed on your PC without giving notice and asking your permission is unacceptable.

OC is attempting to do an end-run around that understanding. First, by muddying up the waters with their insistence on their own definition of what "advertisement" means. Second, by refusing to have OC ask permission prior to doing what it does.

From what I've seen, there seems to be a very deliberate decision not to draw attention to the fact it's on there at all. Otherwise, it would add a mandatory splash banner, and ask if it's ok to proceed.

But it doesn't...

From what I've seen and read of it, it's left up to the app developer just how much to say about the fact OC is piggybacking on his installer.

And I'm sorry folks, but to require that some information be put in the EULA about OC is almost laughable. Not to defend people who don't read the EULAs, but the people who produce OC know (as those of us in the industry do) that very few people ever read license agreements. I'm almost tempted to say "How convenient."

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This is a potential "camel with its nose in the tent" issue. OC may be the most innocuous and benign piece of code out there. But what it is asking us to see as acceptable behavior for a software installer is not. Because it asks us to greenlight an action that has, up until now, been considered unacceptable behavior.

This whole issue could have been avoided if OC just did what every other ad-type software does - pop up a notice and ask to be installed before anything actually is.

But OC has chosen not to do that.

And I think the reason for that is very simple: most people wouldn't install OC if they knew about it.

And in order for OC to sell their services to their advertising partners, they have to offer some unique sales proposition that gives them the advantage over more traditional piggyback product installers.

And that unique sales proposition is a low key approach to installation that borders on stealth, even if it doesn't quite cross the line, combined with a policy of substituting the term "recommendation" for "advertisement."

Not that it matters. Actions always speak louder than words.

To quote Douglas Adams remix of the classic 'duck test': If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands.

In my little corner of the universe, if you ask me - out of the blue - to consider buying something,  then it's an 'advert' AFAIC.

And calling it something else - and insisting it's not - only makes it quack louder.

 :)
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General Software Discussion / Re: What the hell is OpenCandy?
« Last post by 40hz on March 31, 2011, 03:13 PM »
I've even seen during the worst of their growing pains that severe detractors have said that the level of knowledge of what you've done seems to be absent.

You completely lost me on that one. :huh: Could you maybe rephrase it?  :)

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General Software Discussion / Re: What the hell is OpenCandy?
« Last post by 40hz on March 31, 2011, 07:23 AM »
On topic, I just went to download an update for Fruity Studio, and...
Ok, so now OC is also being bundled in with apps you already paid for?
That made me raise my brows as well.

As did the name "Fruity Studio" - didn't it use to be FruityLoops? Another of those "Oh, but the lifetime license isn't for <newname>, it was for <oldname>" tactics?

Yes indeed. That's exactly what FL did.

Very similar to the mindset which insists that being paid to recommend a product is not the same thing as advertising it... ;D

Orwell talked about that form of self-hypnosis in his novel 1984. He called it doublethink:

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself -- that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.

 8)

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General Software Discussion / Re: What the hell is OpenCandy?
« Last post by 40hz on March 31, 2011, 02:31 AM »
On topic, I just went to download an update for Fruity Studio, and...

http://flstudio.imag...uments/download.html
 (see attachment in previous post)


Ok, so now OC is also being bundled in with apps you already paid for?

Hmm...

Actually, it shouldn't surprise me at all (for a number of reasons) that FruityLoops is doing that.  :-\

What is commendable, however, is that they clearly call attention to the fact they are using it right on the download page. Which is more than most publishers are doing. And which is all that 90% of the people who are objecting to OC are asking for: Being told - up front - that it is going to be installed.

Of course, providing the user with notification and an easily selectable option to not have it load at all when you run the installer would be nice...but the makers of OC seem to be quietly adamant that that is not going to happen.

 :)

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Living Room / Re: Babbage Difference Engine & Antikythera Device - in LEGO!!!
« Last post by 40hz on March 30, 2011, 06:15 PM »
Very cool. Also thanks for the link to A.E. Brain's blogsite.  :Thmbsup:

Bookmarked it for a more leisurely perusal later on.  Which (for me) is a pretty rare thing.  :)
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General Software Discussion / Re: NotePro from today's GAOTD
« Last post by 40hz on March 30, 2011, 03:56 PM »
(re-edited for the sake of world peace):

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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