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General Software Discussion / Re: Join Clips
« Last post by rjbull on December 23, 2012, 04:36 PM »Clipboard Helper looks like the two PasteBoard tools I mentioned, but newer/currently maintained.
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Esp. with raw substitution this kind of filtering is ideal for sed stream editor. Only hassle is it's a Linux command. But you may find binary Windows ports.Here are two:-MilesAhead (December 18, 2012, 09:06 PM)
lol...InfoSelect. I used it when it was a memory-resident program called Tornado Notes and dropped it when it got to IS 4. Too much feature bloat for too high of a price.I don't go back that far, but I had a DOS version of IS. In the end I preferred the cleaner, simpler interface of Memory Mate. Someone else on DC - IainB, I think - has the same issues as you with later versions of IS.-robinsiebler (December 10, 2012, 06:03 PM)
And the difference in basic functions is one of the things that is most confusing this genre (as identified by Superboyac when he started this thread). There are programs like PageFour which are purely simple writing & outlining programs and others which are primarily large integrated databases of collected content (MyBase, Surfulater). The discussion in this thread moved very quickly to the database end of thingsThe nomenclature has become confusingly blurred. I think of a "outliner" as a single-page outliner like the lamented PC-Outline was for DOS, and Ecco and Noteliner are for Windows. Likewise "PIM" suggests more in the way of organisation of time and people, while "notekeeper" is more what I'm interested in, your database end of things. I suppose authors want to make their appeal as broad as possible to attract sales, so it takes knowledgable DC users to point out the real strengths and weaknesses of the different programs-Dormouse (December 09, 2012, 07:32 PM)
I'm not sure what the hierarchical note structure brings to that party once you have the different concept of hierarchical tags but is always important in writing.tranglos says (somewhere on DC) that he finds it necessary to have the hierarchical tree, that (from memory) he's uncomfortable leaving organisation solely to tags. I'm not sure. I don't use tags religiously and wouldn't want a system that enforced them, but I do sometimes add words to a note so it contains the form of words I'm most likely to use myself.-Dormouse (December 09, 2012, 07:32 PM)
in terms of features, nearly all the features that the registered version has that the free version hasn't are not to do with the actual text editing functions.This is where we differ, as I'm primarily concerned with keeping Web clips, plus my own text notes, in one convenient program with good searching. I've never tried a modern Windows PIM/outliner for content creation. I'm unlikely to need that now, and would find it hard to adapt, after years of using pencil and paper, and DOS WordStar-style editors. I see the point when you need to combine self-generated material with outside sources into a coherent whole, of course.
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Yes, I don't think it does web clipping in the way those other programs do. The clipping it does do, is just the usual sort of screen shots, images, text etc but it does work and is integrated in the program. Web clipping is more of an archive/PIM thing - and as I said, it claims to be a PIM, but I've never seen it as one, and feel it is just a (very good) text editor.-Dormouse (December 07, 2012, 06:40 PM)
When I used the free version, I never felt the slightest need to upgrade, and only upgraded to the Pro version on a BdJ offer because I felt it would be good to pay something for a program that I used regularly.I did something like that with the last free version of ClipCache, registering as a thank-you but never bothering to install the registered version until the old one proved no longer reliable on later versions of Windows.-Dormouse (December 07, 2012, 06:40 PM)
I don't used keyboard shortcuts, so I hadn't noticed that - I also tend not to use Help files. What it does have is a lot of options on the menus (top & right click), so I have always found it very easy to explore the possibilities of the program. Depends how you do things, which is one of the reasons I think these programs are very subject to personal preference.Indeed so; again we differ, as I really like to have hotkeys, especially for new Web clip and add more content to current note.-Dormouse (December 07, 2012, 06:40 PM)
I've also been tempted back into using Ultra Recall more since trying Rightnote, and it does do a lot of things pretty well; quite a number of similarities with Rightnote, all in Ultra Recall's favour with exception of the Opera clipping. But Rightnote still seems to be progressing while UR seems not to be.I've seen the comment that UR's interface is confusing, but suspect that familiarity plays a big part. I have to say I haven't used click.to myself, but, could you get UR to clip from Opera by using click.to as a helper app? The author of All My Notes Organizer has used this approach instead of adding web clip hotkeys or actions in his own program. Details here: Integrate AllMyNotes to work with click.to [web-clipping]. Maybe something similar might work for UR.-Dormouse (December 07, 2012, 06:40 PM)
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[...]I don't use it to collect information from elsewhere, although it says it is an information manager. [...]
The clipping is quite good, but I don't see it as a web clipper at all. There are keyboard shortcuts, but I don't use them. Virtually all these features are there in the free version of the program.-Dormouse (December 01, 2012, 02:51 PM)
I can send you a free personal license if you want.That's very gracious and generous, please do! I can't promise to make any genuinely useful comments, though.-PPLandry (December 02, 2012, 10:29 PM)
I'm using InfoQube [...]Me too. That is, I don't need to compile a selection of web clips into a coherent whole and make a report on them.
For web content *for me* it's mostly a case of being a dumping ground and then search.-tomos (November 30, 2012, 05:18 PM)
Re "The Price" -I'm not sure what that is - it's still in beta. I have donated, that will go towards my license when it is released.I didn't realise it was still in beta. I seem to recall that beta testers were offered a fairly good deal, but would still like a good idea of what it's going to eventually cost. However, I think my days of major data munging are over, it's just personal interest now.-tomos (November 30, 2012, 05:18 PM)
There are pros and cons to using multiple apps for various uses (maybe they're just segregated by theme/topic even) - or using a single app for multiple uses.On that matter, you might be interested in Dormouse's post, here: Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software-tomos (November 30, 2012, 05:18 PM)
a couple of people have commented about knowing where the clipped item goes.I think it's only me complaining:
Can you clarify what you mean when saying that:
when adding a new clip you can/cannot see what clip you are adding it to?-tomos (November 29, 2012, 04:06 PM)
I'm using InfoQubeFrom what I've heard InfoQube users saying, it's too complicated for me! Expensive, too, if you have to pay the full price.-tomos (November 29, 2012, 04:06 PM)
I read the specs and its range of functionality looked pretty good. I have just bought a licenceI see an IainB mini-review approaching-IainB (November 29, 2012, 06:10 PM)
With Evernote, remember that you can use the current version without going anywhere near the cloud. It's not the same as 2.2, but for me the advantages now make it more useful than 2.2 ever was.I keep forgetting the current version can be used "out of the cloud," though I'd be wary of installing it in case it overwrites my current and useful 2.2 setup. What new features do you like so much?-Dormouse (November 29, 2012, 03:11 PM)
I'd go along with the comments on Ultra Recall. The old & current versions work perfectly well but development and support is not the same as it used to be. (And it doesn't work with OperaAuthors rarely offer discounts on upgrades, unfortunately. So it was with UR. In fact, when BdJ last had a UR discount, the cost of a new v.4 installation was on a par with their normal upgrade price.-Dormouse (November 29, 2012, 03:11 PM)
Like UR, RightNote will do lots of other things... My problem wasn't so much clipping an entire new entity, as when I wanted to clip several bits from a page and assemble them into a single note. I.e., first clip is a new note, several subsequent ones are additions to that same note. Because I couldn't see what note I was adding to, I was nervous about messing things up, and because RN didn't seem to automatically make a new note the current note, I had to go back and forth anyway.I've found myself slightly uncomfortable with RightNote's Web clipping. You can make a new clip with a RightNote hotkey, and add to the current clip with another, but the tree pane doesn't scroll to keep the current item in view. That means you can't see whether everything is OK without constantly scrolling the tree.I don't really want to move away from the browser when I clip, so that is fine by me - and anyway the mere fact that it works with Opera will make up for any number of other deficiencies. Even having to use the keyboard.-rjbull (November 28, 2012, 02:49 PM)-Dormouse (November 29, 2012, 03:11 PM)
Have you tried Surfulater?No. Thanks for reminding me. I probably should have tried Surfulater, especially as the author has been active on DC. But, it's quite expensive, even with a discount, and I can still use EverNote 2.2, the last desktop edition, which I paid for. It works well but isn't developed or available since they went cloud. I'm keeping an eye open for still-developed programs that work as conveniently. I suppose I should try UltraRecall again, too.-dr_andus (November 28, 2012, 03:10 PM)
