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General Software Discussion / Re: Software Hall of Fame
« Last post by 40hz on August 08, 2011, 05:43 PM »

What Spinrite's become since then is unimportant. I stand by my original statement that it was a genuinely revolutionary product that did an amazing job. And  :P to you too. :)

@oblivion - Just so there's no misunderstanding, the  :P was directed at f0dder for saying he might only be (jokingly) be acting rude towards people who are arguing for assembly coding. I couldn't resist pointing out (also jokingly) that he has a tendency to lose it whenever Spinrite gets mentioned.

I also do agree that with f0dder Spinrite's relevance to today's disk drives is questionable in the wake of many advances made since it first came out.

But I would like to also like to agree with you that it was (at one time) a very useful addition to a PC tech's toolkit.

I purchased several copies of Spinrite over the years. And I did often use it to fix low level interleave problems on those 'wonderful' drives you got to format by dropping into DEBUG and (for most drives) issuing a G=C800:5 command. After which you got to listen to that hypnotic little ding-dinga-dinga 'serenade' that went on for about a half hour while the drive controller did its thing.

Ah those were the days!  :-\

(Sure don't miss them.)  ;)

Onward! :Thmbsup:

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General Software Discussion / Re: Software Hall of Fame
« Last post by 40hz on August 08, 2011, 10:32 AM »
I didn't intend to offend anybody - except for people who still believe writing large parts of their applications in assembly is a good idea.

And those who try to defend Spinrite.  :P

(Sorry. Couldn't resist. ;) ;D )
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P.S. +1 on that point. :Thmbsup:



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Developer's Corner / Re: Lost Programming Skills
« Last post by 40hz on August 08, 2011, 10:27 AM »
I personally don't think the "good old days" were all that great.

There's been huge improvements in the way we write and use code and build our systems. And I would definitely not want to go back to the way it used to be done. Not for for love or money.

But the article does raise some good points about the inherent danger of losing basic skills in the process of acquiring more sophisticated tools to work with.

I don't know if it's the case with coders, but in my world of network technology, I'm already starting to see a problem. Many of the next-gen engineers I see coming out are great at dealing with all the latest and greatest tech. They can make the newest Cisco boxes sing like a diva. And they definitely know a lot more about them than I do.

But if you put them in a mixed environment with a lot of legacy equipment (i.e about 85% of the environments out there) they have problems. I suspect it's because the bulk of their training was on specific devices and products rather than core technologies. As a result, their knowledge is miles deep - but only a few yards wide. Show them something they've never worked with that's being balky, and their most common response is to suggest getting something "more up to date with the current state of the technology." Forget that a simple tweak to the setup - or replacing a suspect CAT-5 cable-  would fix the problem in a jiffy.

The other problem I'm seeing more of is what's referred to as "menu thinking." The way it works is to look up the problem and apply the recommended fixes in sequence until the problem is resolved. And if the recommended fixes do not cure the problem, quit and wait for an updated fix from the manufacturer.

In short, if it ain't on the menu, there's nothing to be done.

Understanding the <*groan*> OSI model (or how TCP/IP and the various protocols actually work) isn't just a boring academic exercise. Well...I'll admit it can be pretty boring. But it's hardly academic. Because if your shiny new server or data switch starts acting up, knowing how that device works on a fundamental and generic level allows you to troubleshot and fix it. Even in the absence of relevant guidance from the manufacturer.

That's the mark of a true professional: the ability to remain effective in the absence of specific knowledge or expertise. Plus the ability to extrapolate from what knowledge and expertise you do posses.

And it has real world benefits. I've gained a reputation with my clients over the years of being "the guy" who can fix anything. It's an exaggeration, although it's not too big a one. My record of "big wins" is pretty solid.

But it's not because I'm super-brilliant or incredibly well trained. My secret weapon (if I have one) is very low-level and basic understanding of how computers and networks actually do what they do. With that framework in place, everything else is a matter of filling in details as and where needed. And extrapolating from that to identify solutions for new situations. Because on a certain level, all technical problems are the same.

Albert Einstein had a cute way of looking at that: "You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat."

That's the real difference between being "trained" and being "educated." Walking away from the basics with the argument it's no longer "relevant" may get you 'trained up' and 'tested out' quicker. But it also leaves critical holes in your understanding of the technology you work with.

The real trick is to be aware of those holes and fill them in as quickly as possible.

That, and not getting so put off by all those old guys sitting around the cracker barrel, jawin' about how tough they had it, that you decide you'd rather not do it.

einstein.jpg :)
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I've got an abbreviated manual of my own. It's on a 3x5 card.

It says:

Having an ok plan plus a FN SCAR-H/Mk.17-CQC:

scar_h.jpg +OK PLAN

is an  infinitely better than having a brilliant plan
        
        and no FN SCAR-H/Mk.17-CQC!

------

A good friend of mine suggests this as an alternative:

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 :Thmbsup:

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Developer's Corner / Re: Lost Programming Skills
« Last post by 40hz on August 08, 2011, 08:48 AM »
old timers telling stories about walking uphill both to and from school (and I'm an old timer, so I'm entitled to call them on it).

We couldn't afford a school. I had to walk both ways (uphill, in the snow, no shoes) just to tend the loom.  :(
-cranioscopical (August 08, 2011, 07:48 AM)

 ;D Yeah. To say nothing of us having to do homework on our laptops by candlelight! And our internet was two tin cans attached by 3 miles of 20# fishing line... And we were bloody glad to have it too! :-\



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Living Room / Re: Steam: Savior or Slayer of PC Gaming?
« Last post by 40hz on August 08, 2011, 08:41 AM »
Buyers can and will become pirates, but pirates will rarely ever become buyers.  Game companies simply do not understand this fact.

I think that's one of the most insightful comments ever made about the real problem with DRM.

Well said Stephen!

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Developer's Corner / Re: Lost Programming Skills
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2011, 10:45 PM »
Long on 'what,' but way too short on 'why.' As a result, it's a little too much like preaching to the choir. Which is a shame. Because there are some very good points being made.

As mwb1100 noted:

There are some good points in the article, but a fair bit of it has the ring of old timers telling stories about walking uphill both to and from school (and I'm an old timer, so I'm entitled to call them on it).

 :)
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Developer's Corner / Re: Want to be in Amazon's App Store? Think again!
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2011, 12:47 PM »
In a perfect world my friend, in a perfect world...

And in my world too. (Which is very far from perfect I assure you.  ;D)

You can always say "no." You just have to be willing to deal with the consequences.

But a certain willingness to deal with the consequences of a decision has always been an acid test to determine just how important something really is to a given individual.

And that remains the case whether the answer is 'no' - or 'yes' - for that matter. 8)

But the big corporations like to keep the game cut-throat so the player turnover is quick as it's much more fun that way (for them).

"Greetings Dr. Falken. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play..."  -Joshua in the movie War Games

Something to think about.  8)

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Living Room / Re: I Find This HILARIOUS~! =D
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2011, 12:32 PM »

HE SAID IT! HE SAID NATIONAL SOCIALISM~! HE DID IT FIRST! YOU SAW IT~! ;D

Sorry -- I had to jump on that one for a laugh. :)

Must have been a while since you visited these our 'purple mountain majesty' and' fruited plains.' :P

I'm far from the first or only that's been saying it for several years now. And none who are, are laughing. My trend projections put the advent of full-bore fascism in the USA sometime between 2024 and 2050.
 :tellme:

You don't need death camps if you can turn it into a private industry, like oh, perhaps, just maybe, A PRIVATE PRISON SYSTEM PERHAPS?

Too late. Already got 'em! :'(

Human rights organizations, as well as political and social ones, are condemning what they are calling a new form of inhumane exploitation in the United States, where they say a prison population of up to 2 million - mostly Black and Hispanic - are working for various industries for a pittance. For the tycoons who have invested in the prison industry, it has been like finding a pot of gold. They don't have to worry about strikes or paying unemployment insurance, vacations or comp time. All of their workers are full-time, and never arrive late or are absent because of family problems; moreover, if they don't like the pay of 25 cents an hour and refuse to work, they are locked up in isolation cells.

There are approximately 2 million inmates in state, federal and private prisons throughout the country. According to California Prison Focus, "no other society in human history has imprisoned so many of its own citizens." The figures show that the United States has locked up more people than any other country: a half million more than China, which has a population five times greater than the U.S. Statistics reveal that the United States holds 25% of the world's prison population, but only 5% of the world's people. From less than 300,000 inmates in 1972, the jail population grew to 2 million by the year 2000. In 1990 it was one million. Ten years ago there were only five private prisons in the country, with a population of 2,000 inmates; now, there are 100, with 62,000 inmates. It is expected that by the coming decade, the number will hit 360,000, according to reports...

Full article here.
One of the largest private prison businesses in the US is Corrections Corp. of America [Ticker symbol: CXW (NYSE)]

You can check out their financials and other info here.


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Like I said, nobody's laughing .  :P



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Living Room / Re: I Find This HILARIOUS~! =D
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2011, 12:03 PM »
Hey America - welcome to the real world.

***

If you want to object to my analysis take your criticism to a free speech thread where I don't have to read it ... (that's democratic - right?)

We need to get Carol her own US TV "poli-talk" mosh pit show. Why should the neo-cons have all the fun? ;D

9/11 didn't put an end to that idea

Ah Carol! Quite correct. Perhaps I should have said "officially put an end" to the illusion?  ;D

Whatever 9/11 did or didn't do, it's a totally different country (on several very fundamental levels) than it was before.

I've suggested the US government hang a large sign that reads: Open for business under New Management around the neck of the Statue of Liberty just so nobody (including its citizens) gets confused.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Software Hall of Fame
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2011, 11:50 AM »
... only retards and kids did 100%-assembly applications even back then ...

I find this statement to be more than just a little bit offensive.


@widgerunner - FWIW, that's just f0dder doing his f0dder 'tech-ninja' thing. :D  

When he's in that mode, most of what he says gets said with tongue jammed firmly in cheek.  ;)

He's a very nice guy - and I doubt he ever intended to offend, or have that remark be taken seriously.  :)

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Living Room / Re: I Find This HILARIOUS~! =D
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2011, 08:48 AM »
@SJ - just for the record, nobody's saying anything about "passive acceptance." I faced enough police riot units at otherwise peaceful protests over the years that I'm far from what you'd consider passive or accepting.  I'm just saying the tactics chosen are not effective tools for bringing about the change they said they're trying to bring about.
 :)
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Living Room / Re: I Find This HILARIOUS~! =D
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2011, 07:18 AM »
This is going about it in entirely the wrong way. The only thing it will succeed in doing is to encourage our already secretive governments to become even more secretive. It also plays into the hands of those arguing for increasingly restrictive laws that will ultimately hurt all of us.

The nihilists and anarchist of the previous two centuries did little to effect social change or bring about reform. About the only thing they did succeed in doing was to commit the assassination that led to the first world war. I wonder how many "workers of the world" were happy about "casting off their chains" and factory jobs in order to shoulder a rifle and die in a muddy trench.

Right now, the outlaw hacking groups are little more than a mosquito bite on big  government's ass. As a result, there hasn't been too much action against them since the cost/benefit ratio hasn't justified much more than sporadic enforcement actions, strong consternation, and the passage of ineffective laws. However, should that day ever come, I think these 'naughty folk' will be stunned by the brutality and extent of the reprisals. And so will everybody else since a huge amount of collateral damage to innocent people will also likely take place in the name of "a threat to national security." Not a good way to win allies in the general community.

Right now, governments are still playing mostly by the rule of law. Those who play outside the rules are naive to think that situation will continue indefinitely if they continue down the road they're on.

Wow.
This looks very bad.

The Renton police/prosecutor's response to those satirical cartoons was bad enough, I thought.
I mean - it looked like they would try to trash the 1st Amendment rights of the cartoons' creator.

I had previously always thought that the US was the last bastion of democracy and freedom.

You're right, it was:(

All that ended with 9/11 the passage of the Patriot Act and subsequent legislation which has turned the United States into what, for all practical purposes, is now a police state with all real power centered in the Executive Branch. And Legislature and Judiciary be damned if they don't like it.

One more brief rest stop on the way to overt national socialism - except in the USA it will use the Bible for its justification and symbolism.
 :'(


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General Software Discussion / Re: Outlining software recommendations?
« Last post by 40hz on August 06, 2011, 05:13 PM »
About the only old-style general purpose outliner still on the market is MaxThink. I liked the DOS version better than the Windows version, but what ya gonna do?

The late EccoPro borrowed heavily from MaxThink. You can find orphaned copies of EccoPro to download if you Google around. Worked on XP. Don't know if it does on Win7.

I liked GrandView too. I was sorry when that went off the market. Vastly better than it's competitor Lotus Agenda.  8)

 
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Developer's Corner / Re: Want to be in Amazon's App Store? Think again!
« Last post by 40hz on August 06, 2011, 11:49 AM »
IMHO, it's never too late to bail out in a business situation. Especially if it's a bad deal you find yourself in the middle of. Like the poker players say: If, at any time, you can't afford to fold your hand and leave the table, you can't afford to be sitting there to begin with.

Seriously. If you can't walk away from a deal, you're in way over your head.

You can always say "no" in a business situation. Pity people don't do it more often. It would go a long way towards reducing the amount of BS that passes for "business as usual."
 :)
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Developer's Corner / Re: Want to be in Amazon's App Store? Think again!
« Last post by 40hz on August 06, 2011, 05:34 AM »
The developers consented because they thought they were getting paid for it:

Wrong. Reread the article.



Exactly. They understood they weren't going to get paid but decided to go along with Amazon's arrangement despite their reservations about it.

Although Amazon allegedly paints a false public picture about how the Free App o' the Day works revenue wise - when it comes down to signing on the dotted line, they are quite explicit about the fact that Amazon will not be compensating the developer for its participation in the giveaway program. To wit:

The Free App of the Day promotion is the most valuable and visible spot in the store. It hosted the launch of the likes of Angry Birds Rio, Plants v. Zombies and more. Amazon will not receive any sales rev share from the Free App of the Day; and in fact, with as the Free of the Day for one day, you will receive a subsequent Appstore main page placement for the following 14 days.

All these highly valuable placements are at no cost to you. We want to promote your app and in exchange of the placements, at the 0% rev share for one day only.

I had to reread that section in the blog post myself just to be sure I understood what was being said.

The author of the article basically argues that Amazon leads developers on with false expectations about how the giveaway works along with whatever direct benefits the developer can expect by participating. But he's also careful to admit that, whatever the spiel Amazon is spinning, his company knew, going in, that they weren't going to get paid for whatever got downloaded.

Again, I think the lesson in the story isn't that Amazon is a bunch of lying scoundrels - although the author does make some gestures in that direction. The real lesson is that small developers need to be careful whenever they're dealing with a big distributor - or have the potential for a major demand spike because of the deal they're offering.

A few years back, Codeweavers offered a free copy of their extremely popular CrossOver emulator if any one of several improbable news events occurred within a given time frame. When one of them (and not even the most likely one) did come to pass, Codeweavers had so many free licenses registered in the wake of it that they were very much in danger of going out of business - because it now looked like anybody (including businesses) who might possibly consider purchasing or upgrading copies of CrossOver now had free licenses for it.

To Codeweaver's credit, they honored their deal anyway, and ultimately rode out the storm - emerging significantly poorer - but infinitely wiser from the ordeal.

Here's a summary of the story at Wikipedia
Great American Lame Duck Presidential Challenge

In July 2008, CodeWeavers launched the Great American Lame Duck Presidential Challenge[1] to encourage President Bush to make the most of his remaining days in office by accomplishing a major economic or political goal by January 20, 2009.

The goals focused on President Bush making specific positive accomplishments in areas such as the economy, home values, the stock market, the war on terror and other key issues. Specifically, one goal called for President Bush to help bring down average gasoline prices in the Twin Cities to $2.79 a gallon.

On October 14, gas prices in Minneapolis and St. Paul did just that. CodeWeavers were true to their word, and on October 28, a combination of Slashdot and Digg took down their website as people rushed to get the gratis software. According to CodeWeavers, "You will be able to unlock your serial number that was emailed to you for an extended time, (an additional 48 hours), due to this downtime. We will simply stop giving out new serial numbers at 23:59 (Midnight) Central Standard Time." [2]

Additionally, CodeWeavers updated their site @ ~ 9:00 AM CST (GMT - 6) to reflect the statement: "Please check back again for registration code information later today. We will be deploying a streamlined serial code generation process shortly." At the same time, they also added an "about Wine" paragraph.

The streamlined process came to pass, but customers were told to expect to wait "several days" to receive their serial number. In the interim, fully unlocked (full builds) of four different CodeWeavers packages became available for immediate download, but only on October 28, 2008


This situation has been handled in a less ethical (and possibly legal) manner by many small software developers who offered "lifetime" licenses or upgrades and then resorted to semantic shell games and other forms of legerdemain in order to not honor their deals once the financial impact began to be felt.

So know what you're getting into (in real terms) before you go in on something with a behemoth like Amazon.

As one of my business mentors once told me: Don't ever let your mouth write a check your ass can't cover.

 :Thmbsup:

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General Software Discussion / Re: What is Mozilla trying to do?
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2011, 09:30 PM »
@nosh - Interesting. I'm rocking V5.0 under Linux Mint 11 (using kernal 2.6.38-8-generic and Gnome 2.32.1 ) on an old 2.0Ghz Core2 Duo laptop with 1Gb RAM - and it screams!

What version of Windows are you running it on?

I was just about to start loading FF5 on all my Windows machines.
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Developer's Corner / Re: Want to be in Amazon's App Store? Think again!
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2011, 09:10 PM »
But if a large corporation gives away another authors work, it's a free promotional placement deal.

Well, yes. But it wasn't without the developer's consent (emphasis added):

 
All this seemed way too one sided to us, Amazon is being predatory here, and asking developers (who are often desperate for exposure) to give away their app, in order to promote Amazon. A heated debate broke out in our office about whether we should or not. I was firmly against, my business partner for. In the end we agreed that we had entered the world of Android development as an experiment, and it would seem silly not to add more data to the experiment we were conducting.

I think the takeaway is more that if you want to play in the big leagues, you'd better think deeply about the ramifications (especially worst case) before you agree to anything.

This story sort of  reminds me of that great ad that was running on TV where a fictional small start-up manufacturing firm was intently watching a counter after they put up their web shopping cart. They cheered when the first order arrived. Then they did some back slapping and high fives as the number climbed to 100 and then 200 orders. Then the smiles faded and gradually turned into looks of stark horror as the 'orders received' counter inexorably climbed up by rapid leaps to six digits - and then kept on climbing...

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Everybody plans for failure. Not enough planning goes into what to do if you succeed (in marketing) beyond your wildest dreams. Either scenario will sink a business. That's why many businesses mark the anniversary of their best year ever by oscillating out of control and doing a crash & burn.

 8)

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Developer's Corner / Want to be in Amazon's App Store? Think again!
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2011, 06:48 PM »
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This is one of "those stories" that just blows my mind:


Amazon App Store: Rotten To The Core (full story)

About 3 months ago, we set off on a little experiment into the world of the Amazon App Store. Back then people were hailing it as the solution to the problems with the Google Market, industry pundits like Andy Ihnatko called it ‘An Excellent Work in Progress‘.

Amazon’s biggest feature by far, has been their Free App Of The Day promotion. Publicly their terms say that they pay developers 20% of the asking price of an app, even when they give it away free. To both consumers and naive developers alike, this seems like a big chance to make something rare in the Android world: real money. But here’s the dirty secret Amazon don’t want you to know, they don’t pay developers a single cent.

Amazing story of how the developer of an app called Pocket Casts (which had sold about 200 copies before being listed as Free App of the Day) suddenly had 101,491 copies downloaded in 24 hours with ZERO revenue to show for it!

Scary!  :tellme:

Read all about it here.

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Developer's Corner / Re: Software Revenue/Licensing Thoughts
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2011, 06:18 PM »
FWIW I got to the line that read "$5 for 4" and stopped reading...

I understand where you're going, but I'd never be able to present it to any of my clients. They hate tiered or granular pricing schemes. Their attitude is: "Don't give me details, just quote me a firm price for XXX copies of the whole package. I'll either hand you a check - or thank you for your time and have someone escort you back to the lobby."

In my experience, business buyers usually don't want to know how you run your business. They just want a single number (or at most two) they can negotiate from. Anything over that tends to jeopardize the sale and make them think you're gaming them.

Most people start shopping with their head. But most make the buy based on a feeling. Which is why it's been said that you hardly ever get - or lose a sale - purely because of price. It's always price plus one other thing. Something to think about...

I used to give several options when I first started quoting on projects or services. Now I go in with one firm price and sometimes allow a little room if I seriously want "in" enough to dicker.

Guess what? My sales closure rate went up from around 15% to over 60%. That's a fourfold improvement gained by offering my clients much less to think about.

Weird I know. But that's the way it works in my business. :)


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General Software Discussion / Re: Software Hall of Fame
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2011, 01:21 PM »
Not sure I can explain it now in 2011 but PageMaker was good (whatever that means) back in the day.

That's because PageMaker was "it" back in the day!  ;D

Or was until Quark Xpress showed up and piddled all over their pop tarts! :P

(To be fair, they've gotten almost all of it back with the advent of their CS release.  :-* )

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General Software Discussion / Re: Software Hall of Fame
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2011, 01:06 PM »
Alpha Four (smooth as silk DOS relational database with prompts that made sense)

+1. Very sweet little database that didn't require a CS degree to use! :Thmbsup:

Its newest iteration (Alpha Five v10.5) is still a very capable database product - although it's gotten much more complex (and expensive!) since it's Alpha Four days.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Software Hall of Fame
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2011, 12:59 PM »
Also add Borland's Sidekick - the sui generis app that launched the DOS "TSR revolution" (with all the problems going down that road ultimately caused :nono2:) before we had personal systems capable of having more than one thing loaded at a time - because DOS (despite the name) was more a "command processor" rather than what we today consider to be an operating system.

Sidekick was a genuinely useful little productivity app collection. I found myself using it constantly.

And the NANSI.SYS and NNANSI.COM enhanced console drivers for DOS! These little beasties boosted screen performance and provided additional features when using EGA/VGA monitors. If you were a heavy spreadsheet user, this was an absolute must have for the improvement in scrolling speed alone. The 50 line display option was also a gift from heaven. Either of these puppies was one of the first things every "power user" worthy of the name loaded onto his or her machine.
 8)

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Living Room / Re: Steam: Savior or Slayer of PC Gaming?
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2011, 12:31 PM »
I'm not much of a gamer (more interested in flight or submarine sims) so my feelings may not be typical. But I vastly prefer slapping in a DVD to going online to play something. Don't really know why.

I have a Steam account with (a few) very fine games in it. But for some reason I have this weird reluctance to use it. Same goes for my Second Life and Ultima Online accounts.

Something about the logging in is what does it. Maybe it's because I spend my days...and nights...and weekends...and friggin' holidays(!) logged onto one network or another. Feels too much like work or something. (Or maybe it's just my natural reluctance to trust anything on a server I don't have complete control of. Occupational hazard when you do what I do for a living...)

On the other hand I often have to resist the temptation to fire up MS Flight Simulator or one of the Harpoon series disks. And I'll still boot up my aging copy of Big Sid's AlphaCenturi on that little junk laptop I keep just for that.

I guess I'm one of those people who is willing to pay whatever the asking price for media in order to not have to deal with ongoing billing arrangements, network issues, server hassles, slow downloads, and all the little business and political games that (lately) seem to go with playing something online.

It's one thing if you want to do a multiplayer game. But I'll still take a lan party over a web connection if I want to do that - even if it's me that usually gets stuck buying the pizza. Hmm...Odd how everybody always seems to be 'magically' broke whenever I'm in the mood for something with green peppers on it! Must be the ghost of the Colossal Cave Pirate character ("har-har!") that's responsible.

So is it just me, or do other people have as big a hangup about gaming over the web (and generally consider the whole thing a mistake) as I do?

 :)




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Living Room / Re: Building a home server. Please help, DC!
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2011, 10:53 AM »
It's not so much the actual read/write is it is the fact that every drive in the array spins up for every read/write - so there's more wear and tear on the drive mechanics rather than the disk platter's surface.

If you saved a file to a single drive, only it would spin up and be written to (along with the housekeeping of finding sufficient free clusters. On a three element RAID-5, three drives would be spun up to accomplish the same thing, plus need to write additional information (i.e. parity) above and beyond that contained in the actual file itself. That's three times the disk activity plus "parity tax" plus three times the heat generated over a single drive save operation.

So when you add in the MTBF for each of the three drives, you have a higher probability of a drive failing all other factors being equal. And most arrays have more than three drives since that's the least cost effective RAID-5 configuration since you always sacrifice one drive to parity even if that drive doesn't exclusively hold the parity data.

Most times, the drives chosen for arrays are built to a higher quality standard than those normally deployed in PCs - so that may even up the failure occurrence rate up between server and non-server drives despite a higher utilization rate.

I'll have to see if I can locate any hard stats for drive reliability on a per disk basis when used in an array. I'm sure studies have been done. It's just a matter of finding them.
 8)

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