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Living Room / Re: What A Different World Than What I Grew Up In :(

« Last post by wraith808 on October 16, 2012, 04:18 PM »

AFAIK, there is no law that says it's a crime to do or say something which results in another person committing suicide.

-40hz (October 16, 2012, 03:55 PM)

Actually, someone has been convicted of the same, though I'm not sure what laws they were tried under... hmm...

http://www.metro.co....ver-girls-death-leap

http://en.wikipedia...._States_v._Lori_Drew

Neither of those were what I was looking for... but apparently felony harassment is a real charge that can be levied.

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Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 16, 2012, 04:11 PM »

Legal and regulated properly would leave far less casualties.

-Stoic Joker (October 16, 2012, 01:47 PM)

@SJ - Sounds more like a conclusion masquerading as a premise to me, but ok

Bad yes.  Reprehensible yes.  Evil?  Well, we have a different definition of that.  I leave that to the people who do more than troll on the internet.  But the differences in definition are fine.  But when someone says that the people that shot the Pakistani girl were evil and you lump him in with it... well, you have too wide a spectrum there in my opinion.

Really? Spend some time carefully examining and contemplating the concept of evil and you might come away with a very different understanding. Seriously. 

Use of certain words in hyperbole IMO reduces the effectiveness of them when they are accurately used.  Racism, bigotry, homophobia, rape... they are used too commonly now, which water the terms down.  And IMO, this is a prime example of hyperbole.

Wraith, my good man, you know I think the world of you. But I don't understand where you're coming from with the above. But so be it. If you can't see (or won't allow yourself to see) the difference between what is commonly considered 'trolling' and what this guy has been doing...well...I'll leave you to ponder effectiveness and accuracy of definition to your heart's content.

For my part, I'll just sit back and smile a little smile, knowing somebody finally belled this particular cat.

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Note: Did you mean Use of certain words in exaggeration rather than hyperbole? Because I think you might be misusing the word "hyperbole" in the above. Hyperbole is done with the conscious effort to exaggerate rather than persuade - and is not presented with the intent that it to be taken literally. At least from my understanding of the definition.   

-40hz (October 16, 2012, 03:26 PM)

Well, I think that words sometimes change in use- especially in the english language.  And from what I've seen it used- yes, hyperbole can mean intentional exaggeration not to be taken literally.  It can also (and what I meant) be taken to mean exaggerated in rhetoric, i.e. with the intent to persuade.  See this definition which highlights both.

And posting offensive pictures and subjects on the internet, especially those not produced and gathered from the same?  At least unless there are other sources.  They were truly offensive, and teenagers should not be sexualized in that manner (but that's a matter for parenting to remove the source- not taking the they deserved it approach so often taken, but I've seen people [and dress] that just shouldn't have been out there- you sexualize yourself, and some perverts are not going to take it as this girl just doesn't know better, but do exactly what they did)., but do you have sources that he did worse?  Nothing in that article was anything other than a creepy old man seeking attention and power, not evil.

Did he do any more than what I said, or what was said in the article?

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Living Room / Re: What A Different World Than What I Grew Up In :(

« Last post by wraith808 on October 16, 2012, 02:09 PM »

Okay... So can anyone cite an actual example of an outed cyber bully that really was tortured to death in the (digital) town square??

Seriously. Is the true crowd reaction actual, or assumed? ...The masses easily get bored (and move on) in a week I'd assert.

-Stoic Joker (October 16, 2012, 01:57 PM)

I forget the guy's name now... but the guy about the controllers.  And that was considered a 'win'.  But it was a kangaroo court of the masses.  The extent... well, he did bring it on himself.  But... really?

And on the other side, can anyone quote to me an example where the said example made works?

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Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 16, 2012, 02:08 PM »

Legal and regulated properly would leave far less casualties.

-Stoic Joker (October 16, 2012, 01:47 PM)

True... but who regulates?  Haven't they already done so by fiat?  It's just that no one wants to have the conversation, because it's a political hot potato, and being in the shadows makes it more so.  So in the meantime, I think the point about respect of commitment and others applies...

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Living Room / Re: What A Different World Than What I Grew Up In :(

« Last post by wraith808 on October 16, 2012, 01:41 PM »

Exposing a bully does exactly that.

-40hz (October 16, 2012, 12:12 PM)

There are constructive means to do so, and unconstructive means to do so.  The internet is neither forgiving, nor discriminate, nor united.  Justice is what is deserved in these situations- but an exact level applied, not going around 'nuking ants'.  Exposing these things on the internet at large is the equivalent of 'using a nuke on an ant' in my opinion.  Nothing good comes of it, and nothing is learned.  It's a lot like the death penalty- it's supposed to be preventative, but instead, it's purely punitive.  People *don't* think about these things before they do them because (a) they think they're smarter, or a special case, or (b) something else is wrong with the person.  So why put them in the public stockade and cut their head off other than for a spectacle?  The information and evidence needs to be put into the right hands to be taken care of systematically, and legally.  Vigilantism only propagates the problem to a different stage, IMO.

It allows others to learn by (negative) example..

-Stoic Joker (October 16, 2012, 01:35 PM)

Maybe that's the purpose, but it does pretty bad job.

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Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 16, 2012, 01:13 PM »

A police friend of mine once told me they busted a guy with a ring and a baby seat in the back.  That's low.

-wraith808 (October 16, 2012, 10:55 AM)

Really, why? ...Maybe he wanted to try something that his wife didn't. Is he really obligated to be stuck eternally wondering what it would be like? Why is that fair?

-Stoic Joker (October 16, 2012, 12:04 PM)

Because he agreed to it?  And there's another uninvolved person whose life is totally affected by his choice.  If he gets something and passes it on to her... if both of them die of some infectious disease and leave the child alone... does that still fall in the realm of fair?

You don't have to get married- that's your prerogative, and many people are choosing that these days since marriage isn't such an imperative.  And you can get a divorce... that's becoming easier and easier.

But if you choose to commit, you should choose to treat that commitment (and the person you're committed to) with a modicum of decency and basic humanity, and not go around lying behind the person's back.  And before the whole "maybe it was agreed upon" argument comes up, he was begging to be let go with a warning so his wife wouldn't find out... so yes, the whole lying thing was present and in full effect.

Sorry. Doing what this person did is plain evil. And like most things truly evil, it's amazing how utterly pointless and banal it is in its practice and intent.

-40hz (October 16, 2012, 11:49 AM)

Bad yes.  Reprehensible yes.  Evil?  Well, we have a different definition of that.  I leave that to the people who do more than troll on the internet.  But the differences in definition are fine.  But when someone says that the people that shot the Pakistani girl were evil and you lump him in with it... well, you have too wide a spectrum there in my opinion.

Use of certain words in hyperbole IMO reduces the effectiveness of them when they are accurately used.  Racism, bigotry, homophobia, rape... they are used too commonly now, which water the terms down.  And IMO, this is a prime example of hyperbole.

anyone as is consenting

-Stoic Joker (October 16, 2012, 12:04 PM)

It's an ugly business. Until you see up close how it actually operates, you have no idea just how ugly it can be.

-40hz (October 16, 2012, 12:28 PM)

I totally agree with this.  It definitely doesn't just need to be legalized- but regulated in some way (which legalization would help) to get rid of some of the seamier practices that go along with it.  40 uses the example of a 14 year old... but the same thing applies to a 25 year old with two kids and no other way to make ends meet worried about offending her pimp.  Despair is a big part of that part of the industry that makes it as ugly as 40 says, and then some.

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Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 16, 2012, 10:55 AM »

^ Pretty much what I think.  Other than the bit about prostitution.  Well, prostitution that doesn't involve pimps.  I don't hold the same disdain- they're people like any other, and the negative connotations I have are associated with johns that have other obligations.  A police friend of mine once told me they busted a guy with a ring and a baby seat in the back.  That's low.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Portable alternative for Cathy (cataloging freeware) that runs on Win7 64 bit?

« Last post by wraith808 on October 16, 2012, 08:08 AM »

Hooooooraaaaaaaay!!!! Cathy works again on my x64 Win7 machine!!!!   

The solution: removing the registry entries created by Cathy (I deleted this HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\rOva and everything beneath)

That's why it did work when I logged in with another account. (HKEY_CURRENT_USER)

-zzynx (October 16, 2012, 05:44 AM)

D'oh!  I thought after you said that the permissions didn't work... then what about the registry?  But most portable apps don't use the registry, either, so I discarded that in favor of permissions. *headdesk*

Glad you got it working!

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Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 15, 2012, 10:10 PM »

I don't understand why people defend the troll's free speech but condemn the gawker author's free speech of outing him.

-Deozaan (October 15, 2012, 10:05 PM)

As I said in one of my posts on the subject elsewhere, everyone is responsible for their own use of the right of free speech, and the consequences thereof.  Truthfully, I don't agree with either- him doing it, or their capitalizing on it.  The writer says that it was "to bring it to light" like it was a charitable act, when it really was to make a scoop and get hits.  Just like his was to get attention, basically.  People compare this to someone outing a sexual predator that hasn't been punished or something, when comparing the two acts is comparing apples and oranges.  Both acts were self-serving, truthfully.

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Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 15, 2012, 09:57 PM »

He doesn't seem to be taking the hang tough and screw you approach.  If you read the stuff he posts on reddit, he says that the whole thing is his fault.  He just says he wouldn't change anything other than the trusting people stuff.  The stuff he posts is pretty abhorrent, and I don't agree with it.  But I don't think its worthy of a witch hunt...

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Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 15, 2012, 07:59 PM »

Called It.  He's done.

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N.A.N.Y. 2013 / Re: NANY 2013 Pledge: Text Merge from CSV and Template text files.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 15, 2012, 02:49 PM »

^ Some people just don't want Java on their machines.  Not saying that there's anything wrong with it.. but some people say the same about .NET, or even the VBRuntime back in the day.  It's a decision, like any other...

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General Software Discussion / Re: Portable alternative for Cathy (cataloging freeware) that runs on Win7 64 bit?

« Last post by wraith808 on October 15, 2012, 10:45 AM »

Does Cathy only write to the local folder?

I would think so, since it is portable.

-zzynx (October 15, 2012, 10:04 AM)

Portable only means that it doesn't need a specific location present at run time, not that it doesn't use another location temporarily.  It's just that if it works for a different user, it seems that permissions is the right path to go down.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Portable alternative for Cathy (cataloging freeware) that runs on Win7 64 bit?

« Last post by wraith808 on October 15, 2012, 09:12 AM »

Have you tried making a new user account and testing from there?

I have tried that and guess what: Cathy works as expected for that new user account. (location= C:\tools\catalog\cathy)
Of course that is no workable solution...

It proves - once again - that Cathy can work under Win7 x64 without problems.

Now, what does that mean?
And how could I make Cathy work under my own account?

-zzynx (October 15, 2012, 02:19 AM)

That does seem to point to permissions problems.  Does Cathy only write to the local folder?  Is there possibly another folder that you don't have access to?  I'd think not... just going over the possible problems.  If not, though, I'd suggest checking the security for the folder Cathy is running in, and set specific permissions for your user on that folder rather than depending on the default user permissions.  Also check to make sure what groups your user is in to make sure that your user groups are what you think they should be.

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Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 14, 2012, 03:11 PM »

Going back to Brutsch - considering some of the pictures he's posted, I think losing his job may be the least of his worries considering how so much of his antics involved photos of minors. With the publicity that's bound to ensue once the main newswires start picking up on this story, somebody in some official capacity is going to be forced to consider charges and possible prosecution. Be interesting to see if it's the feds or some state that goes first. (It's an election year. Spanking somebody like this guy makes for good campaign copy.)

But that's assuming somebody doesn't come gunning for him first and make it all very simple.

-40hz (October 14, 2012, 01:29 PM)

I don't disagree that someone might *try*, but as long as (a) the photos are not in the child pornography range and (b) they were obtained from the sources he says (facebook, twitter, etc), then it's not going to fly.  From my understanding, they were sexualized, but not explicit.  And considering what I see on facebook, twitter, and even at malls, that's not going to hold up.  And truthfully, I don't think that either side is pristine in that regard, i.e. adults shouldn't be looking at tweens in that way, but (and I know this is not considered PC), they shouldn't be dressing in that way either.

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Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 14, 2012, 11:38 AM »

In my home state it might not be that easy unless you could show it affected the person's ability to perform their job.

-40hz (October 14, 2012, 11:06 AM)

Is your state an exception to the At-Will employment laws?  It says he's in Texas, so he's pretty much screwed.

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Living Room / Re: Outing the Internet's worst troll.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 14, 2012, 10:44 AM »

But the thing about this 'outing' (not saying whether bad or good) is that if he works for a financial services company, and someone truly outed him (i.e. said Michael Brutsch if XX company), he'd most likely lose his job.  Its happened before...

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Living Room / Re: How Many Planets Are There?

« Last post by wraith808 on October 13, 2012, 10:30 PM »

By my definition, 10.  Pluto and his lil bro count.    

-Rover (October 12, 2012, 11:57 AM)

I'm with you.

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Living Room / Re: Kids E-Book Ideas?

« Last post by wraith808 on October 13, 2012, 10:29 PM »

I will say, that the thing I like more about the kindle as compared to the nook is that your account supports anything you send to it, so you don't have the whole syncing thing to get non-kindle books on it.  That said, like you said it doesn't support epub and the Nook does.  Calibre is apparently good enough to make up for that, though I've never used it with my daughter's Nook.

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Living Room / Re: Six Strikes Plan - U.S.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 12, 2012, 07:24 PM »

That link is there too... not a big deal, but just wanted to point you to the discussion.

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Living Room / Re: Six Strikes Plan - U.S.

« Last post by wraith808 on October 12, 2012, 04:56 PM »

https://www.donation...ex.php?topic=32504.0

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N.A.N.Y. 2013 / Re: NANY 2013 Pledge: Track My Stuff!

« Last post by wraith808 on October 12, 2012, 02:37 PM »

i know we're off topic (in my own topic to boot!), but have you played with Clojure at all?  That's what I'd planned to learn functional programming in, but knowing a bit of Java already was what made me sit up and take notice of your link, and I wondered if you had any opinions on the merits of the two.

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N.A.N.Y. 2013 / Re: NANY 2013 Pledge: Track My Stuff!

« Last post by wraith808 on October 12, 2012, 02:19 PM »

Also, it would be a chance to do something simple in Play2 and Scala to get familiar with the stuff

-f0dder (October 12, 2012, 02:11 PM)

Ooh... thanks for that!  I'm going to have to figure out something *else* to build to try those out!

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General Software Discussion / Re: Portable alternative for Cathy (cataloging freeware) that runs on Win7 64 bit?

« Last post by wraith808 on October 12, 2012, 12:40 PM »

And TechSupportAlert has a list of several of them: http://www.techsuppo...atalog-organizer.htm

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N.A.N.Y. 2013 / Re: NANY 2013 Pledge: Bead Designer

« Last post by wraith808 on October 12, 2012, 12:24 PM »

Do you have a roadmap for what features you're going to include?  Just asking b/c I know my daughter loves doing this, and as you said, she uses graph paper and colored pencils right now.