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Chrome is a great browser, but man... Anything good has a catch...  :'(
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Living Room / Re: Pepper Spray Cop Interactive
« Last post by Renegade on November 21, 2011, 12:02 AM »
Hahahahaha~! Nice~! ;D

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Living Room / Re: A light-field camera? Ok. This is very cool!
« Last post by Renegade on November 20, 2011, 11:35 PM »

That was funky in the extreme!

Some "hexy" artifacts and whatnot there, but whatever -- it's a pretty damn cool idea~! :D
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Living Room / Re: FUNNY~! Drinking Water DOES NOT Hydrate!
« Last post by Renegade on November 20, 2011, 11:25 PM »
I would think it took 3 years because of how borderline the claim is. In the end they decided you can't claim drinking water reduced the risk of dehydration because the "risk-factors" were so badly defined.


The original claim is just as silly as the response. Ask a silly question, get a silly answer? :P


Simple really, if you want to claim your product reduces the risk-factors of something, you'd really want to know what those risk factors are. These guys clearly didn't.


Yep. Which only makes the whole thing all that much funnier~! ;D


If someone else can come along and show otherwise the regulations will undoubtedly be changed. The media won't report that of course, because that would be boring.


The media rarely reports anything useful.

Actually, I like the communist China English news. It's a refreshing perspective. Slanted? Sure. But still refreshing.

Al Jazeera is excellent. Again, a much broader perspective that's nice to hear from.


Maybe the manufacturers should be required to include a line stating that drinking large amounts of water in a short period of time can result in death (which is true).


That would be hilarious!

What would be even better is to have some bottler package their water in slightly smaller bottles, e.g. 495 ml vs. 500 ml bottles, then claim that their water is less deadly than the competition~! ;D In some twisted way, it would be true... :P
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Living Room / Re: FUNNY~! Drinking Water DOES NOT Hydrate!
« Last post by Renegade on November 20, 2011, 09:31 PM »
More on the hilarious front:

http://www.bmj.com/c...t/327/7429/1459.full

Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational challenge: systematic review of randomised controlled trials


Abstract
Objectives To determine whether parachutes are effective in preventing major trauma related to gravitational challenge.

Design Systematic review of randomised controlled trials.

Data sources: Medline, Web of Science, Embase, and the Cochrane Library databases; appropriate internet sites and citation lists.

Study selection: Studies showing the effects of using a parachute during free fall.

Main outcome measure Death or major trauma, defined as an injury severity score > 15.

Results We were unable to identify any randomised controlled trials of parachute intervention.

Conclusions As with many interventions intended to prevent ill health, the effectiveness of parachutes has not been subjected to rigorous evaluation by using randomised controlled trials. Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption of interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence based medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.

...


That's just excellent~! ;D

You really must read the whole thing though.

The point of the BMJ parachute experiment proposal is to suggest that it's ok to not be a complete buffoon and that some things can be safely taken at face value.

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Living Room / Re: FUNNY~! Drinking Water DOES NOT Hydrate!
« Last post by Renegade on November 20, 2011, 09:23 PM »
Yeah seriously! Dehydration as a medical/biological state was obviously defined in such a way that the claim the water will cure it is not medically proven enough that companies can go around claiming their products are a cure.


Actually, that's not a correct characterization.

The Panel notes that dehydration was identified as the disease by the applicant. Dehydrationis a condition of body water depletion.  Upon request for clarification on the risk factor, the applicant proposed “water loss in tissues” or “reduced water content in tissues” as risk factors, the reduction of which was proposed to lead to a reduction of the risk of development of dehydration. The Panel notes that the proposed risk factors are measures of water depletion and thus are measures of the disease (dehydration).


In a living organism, “water loss in tissues” or “reduced water content in tissues” are "dehydration".

The panel there simply stated that the 'risk factors' are not 'risk factors' and are merely 'measures' of dehydration. As risk factor would be something like being stranded in the desert, or whatever.

There is no mention or implication of any condition that causes dehydration, e.g. a virus, diarrhea, vomiting, etc.

As a concrete example, there is no claim that drinking water will 'cure' diarrhea.

To expand the quote above:

FROM:

“water loss in tissues” or “reduced water content in tissues” as risk factors, the reduction of which was proposed to lead to a reduction of the risk of development of dehydration.

TO:

the reduction of ("water loss in tissues" or "reduced water content in tissues") was proposed to lead to a reduction of the risk of development of ("water loss in tissues" or "reduced water content in tissues").

i.e. It's trivial, as I stated above.


But seriously, only Humpty Dumpty would characterize "dehydration" as a "disease".

http://en.wikipedia....gh_the_Looking-Glass

“I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory,’ ” Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t—till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!’ ”
“But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’,” Alice objected.
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master that’s all.”
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. “They’ve a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they’re the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!”


The issue seems to be the dehydration is a symptom which can have causes other than simply not drinking enough. In such cases drinking water is not a cure. If you even just read to the end of the article you linked you'd have realised this.


As above, that's not a correct characterization of the claim.

The claim was a trivial one. There was nothing extraordinary or non-trivial in the claim, and no mention of any cause beyond “water loss in tissues” and “reduced water content in tissues”, which is merely to say, "dehydration", which occurs naturally all the time. Breathing slowly dehydrates you, etc. etc. Your body loses water all the time. This IS dehydration. Perhaps not extreme, but it is none the less, dehydration. The claim makes no mention of degree of dehydration.

i.e. (Re)hydration is the opposite of dehydration.

If you are dehydrated, then you need to drink water. If you are drinking enough water, you will not become dehydrated (under normal conditions).

Claims about curing diarrea or some other condition are entirely different.

If you have severe diarrea, drinking water is little different than pouring water into a glass with a hole in the bottom. Are you "hydrating"? Yes. Is it doing any good? No. Because the rate of dehydration is greater than any possible rate of hydration that you can achieve. The issue there is not about de/hydration, the issue is about diarrea accelerating dehydration beyond any capacity to hydrate.

The claim made no mention of extraordinary factors.

Under normal conditions, drinking water will rehydrate you and prevent dehydration. Everyone experiences this whenever they are thirsty. There is no magic there.


Companies shouldn't be allowed to make medical claims willy-nilly and the only way to stop them is through regulations.


Absolutely agreed about not making medical claims.

As for regulation, I have no strong opinion on that topic at the moment. My inclination is that corporations are so psychopathic and corrupt, that regulation is needed.


But as usual people don't care about the actual case or the facts behind it, it's more fun to assume everyone else is stupid and if that means misrepresenting facts and outright lying most people are happy.


It's still completely hilarious. The claim is trivial, and it took the EFSA 3 years to figure it out. 3 YEARS! With 21 scientists!


 


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Living Room / Re: FUNNY~! Drinking Water DOES NOT Hydrate!
« Last post by Renegade on November 20, 2011, 04:56 PM »
Medical claims require scientific backing? My god what is the world coming to? The ignorance expressed in this thread is hilarious, yet expected.

Seriously?

hy·drate
Verb: Cause to absorb water

It is true apriori.

i.e. It is trivially true.

maybe not recommended reading
It shows what sort of mental masturbation goes on in EU bureaucracy.


In other reports, there is no medical evidence that a bullet in the head does not cause death.

The BMJ has an article on the medical efficacy of parachutes and how they are unproven. Again, a complete lack of evidence for a health issue...

Seriously?


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Living Room / Re: FUNNY~! Drinking Water DOES NOT Hydrate!
« Last post by Renegade on November 20, 2011, 08:23 AM »
Here it is from the horse's mouth:

http://www.efsa.euro...journal/doc/1982.pdf

The claimed effect is “regular consumption of significant amounts of water can reduce the
risk of development of dehydration and of concomitant decrease of performance”. The target
population is assumed to be the general population. Dehydration is a condition of body water
depletion. The proposed risk factors are measures of water depletion and thus are measures of
the disease. The  proposed  claim does not comply  with the requirements for a disease risk
reduction claim pursuant to Article 14 of Regulation (EC) No 1924/2006.

It gets even better!

They DEFINE what water is!

According to the applicant, “water (chemical formula H2O, MW=18.015), a transparent, odourless and
tasteless liquid (melting point: 0°C=273,15 K; boiling point: 100°C=373,15 K). In small quantities
colourless, the colour of water in thick layers is of a slight blue hue. Water is generally considered an
essential nutrient.”

(Original version submitted in German: “Wasser (Wasserstoffoxid, H2O, MR 18,015), eine klare,
geruch- und geschmacklose, generell farblose, in dicker Schicht bläulich schimmernde Flüssigkeit
(Schmelzpunkt 0°C=273,15 K, Siedepunkt 100°C=373,15 K), die ernährungswissenschaftlich
allgemein als essentieller Nährstoff gilt.“

In English and German!

Oh, thank you for the enlightenment! I feel so smart now! ;D

But just when you thought it couldn't, it DOES get even better~! :D

EFSA DISCLAIMER
The present opinion does not constitute, and cannot be construed as, an authorisation to the marketing
of water, a positive assessment of its safety, nor a decision on whether water is, or is not, classified as
a foodstuff

A disclaimer to note that they cannot decide whether water is food or not?

You CANNOT make this stuff up~! ;D


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Living Room / Re: A light-field camera? Ok. This is very cool!
« Last post by Renegade on November 20, 2011, 07:22 AM »
This is the kind of camera photo that I would like to take: Cappelle sistina

There's more here - "spherical panoramas".

THAT is some seriously bad-ass, wicked cool stuff! :D
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Living Room / FUNNY~! Drinking Water DOES NOT Hydrate!
« Last post by Renegade on November 20, 2011, 07:15 AM »
This is just WWWAAAAYYY too funny. Hysterical! Utter... Total... Chaotic... Rolling on the floor pissing yourself while you try to grasp a breath of air and nearly suffocate because you're laughing so hard funny. Really!

Leave it to EU bureaucrats to figure out that it is illegal to claim that drinking water hydrates you:

http://www.telegraph...ent-dehydration.html

Full text
EU bans claim that water can prevent dehydration
 Brussels bureaucrats were ridiculed yesterday after banning drink manufacturers from claiming that water can prevent dehydration.

EU officials concluded that, following a three-year investigation, there was no evidence to prove the previously undisputed fact.

 Producers of bottled water are now forbidden by law from making the claim and will face a two-year jail sentence if they defy the edict, which comes into force in the UK next month.

 Last night, critics claimed the EU was at odds with both science and common sense. Conservative MEP Roger Helmer said: “This is stupidity writ large.

 “The euro is burning, the EU is falling apart and yet here they are: highly-paid, highly-pensioned officials worrying about the obvious qualities of water and trying to deny us the right to say what is patently true.

 “If ever there were an episode which demonstrates the folly of the great European project then this is it.”


 NHS health guidelines state clearly that drinking water helps avoid dehydration, and that Britons should drink at least 1.2 litres per day.

 The Department for Health disputed the wisdom of the new law. A spokesman said: “Of course water hydrates. While we support the EU in preventing false claims about products, we need to exercise common sense as far as possible."

 German professors Dr Andreas Hahn and Dr Moritz Hagenmeyer, who advise food manufacturers on how to advertise their products, asked the European Commission if the claim could be made on labels.

 They compiled what they assumed was an uncontroversial statement in order to test new laws which allow products to claim they can reduce the risk of disease, subject to EU approval.

 They applied for the right to state that “regular consumption of significant amounts of water can reduce the risk of development of dehydration” as well as preventing a decrease in performance.

 However, last February, the European Food Standards Authority (EFSA) refused to approve the statement.

 A meeting of 21 scientists in Parma, Italy, concluded that reduced water content in the body was a symptom of dehydration and not something that drinking water could subsequently control.

 Now the EFSA verdict has been turned into an EU directive which was issued on Wednesday.

 Ukip MEP Paul Nuttall said the ruling made the “bendy banana law” look “positively sane”.

 He said: “I had to read this four or five times before I believed it. It is a perfect example of what Brussels does best. Spend three years, with 20 separate pieces of correspondence before summoning 21 professors to Parma where they decide with great solemnity that drinking water cannot be sold as a way to combat dehydration.

 “Then they make this judgment law and make it clear that if anybody dares sell water claiming that it is effective against dehydration they could get into serious legal bother.

 EU regulations, which aim to uphold food standards across member states, are frequently criticised.

 Rules banning bent bananas and curved cucumbers were scrapped in 2008 after causing international ridicule.

 Prof Hahn, from the Institute for Food Science and Human Nutrition at Hanover Leibniz University, said the European Commission had made another mistake with its latest ruling.

 “What is our reaction to the outcome? Let us put it this way: We are neither surprised nor delighted.

 “The European Commission is wrong; it should have authorised the claim. That should be more than clear to anyone who has consumed water in the past, and who has not? We fear there is something wrong in the state of Europe.”

 Prof Brian Ratcliffe, spokesman for the Nutrition Society, said dehydration was usually caused by a clinical condition and that one could remain adequately hydrated without drinking water.

 He said: “The EU is saying that this does not reduce the risk of dehydration and that is correct.

 “This claim is trying to imply that there is something special about bottled water which is not a reasonable claim.”


EU bans claim that water can prevent dehydration

 Brussels bureaucrats were ridiculed yesterday after banning drink manufacturers from claiming that water can prevent dehydration.

EU officials concluded that, following a three-year investigation, there was no evidence to prove the previously undisputed fact.

...

A meeting of 21 scientists in Parma, Italy, concluded that reduced water content in the body was a symptom of dehydration and not something that drinking water could subsequently control.

...


 “The European Commission is wrong; it should have authorised the claim. That should be more than clear to anyone who has consumed water in the past, and who has not? We fear there is something wrong in the state of Europe.

And, it only took them 3 years to figure it out? ;D

Bwahahahahah~!

And people wonder WHY there is a crisis in Europe? Hahahahah~! ;D :P

And they're JUST figuring out that there is something WRONG in Europe? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA~! ;D :P

You CANNOT make this stuff up! You just can't!



NOTE: I just had to share this. The devil in me is giggling thinking about how many people will pee themselves laughing, while the angel really wishes to entertain. :P


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Living Room / Re: Scanning photos
« Last post by Renegade on November 20, 2011, 01:52 AM »
I did some in-depth research on this a while back. From what I've found (and read), this is THE best photo enlargement software out there, period:

http://www.ononesoft.../perfect-resize/?ind

It's currently on sale for $100 off, or $200. They have a standard version as well that's also on sale, and less expensive.

I never looked at Reshader though, so I would recommend comparing the two. I simply cannot comment on it as I've not tried it before.

They're both comparable in price, so... Who knows?

The Reshader looks better suited though as you can purchase credits for a quick 1-off job.
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Living Room / Re: Need Advice on a TV...
« Last post by Renegade on November 20, 2011, 12:52 AM »
Those are commercial displays, but they are older (2005 models). Samsung has improved a lot over the past few years with their displays FWIW. I couldn't find any warranty information on them, but what I expect are similarly purposed displays now have 3-year on-site warranties.

I'm not really sure about how they now fare with burn-in though. Most of the stuff I look at is chip-based.
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Living Room / Re: Need Advice on a TV...
« Last post by Renegade on November 20, 2011, 12:05 AM »
Of those two, LED is more common and has no screen "burn in" issues,
Definitely not true, no matter what the industry pundits keep saying.  I am looking at 6 different 42" Samsung LCD monitor/TV's here at work right now and 3 of them have severe burn-in.  They also have a nasty habit of burning out completely after only a year or two...Of course they are on 24/7/365 - so that may have something to do with it.  The only time they are "off" is during the PC reboot.

Are they commercial or consumer?
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Living Room / Re: A light-field camera? Ok. This is very cool!
« Last post by Renegade on November 19, 2011, 08:48 PM »
But I won't be ordering a Lytro camera just yet, at those prices.

At $400, it's not bad at all. You're basically paying for the option to take a picture NOW instead of farting around with a camera trying to focus, blah blah blah.

The only other option you have is to spend much more on a good, fast lens for a DSLR.

But, how many people really need to take pictures that quickly? Or need the option to change focus like that? If you need it, then it's likely $400 well spent. I just don't see that many people needing those options.
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Living Room / Re: Need Advice on a TV...
« Last post by Renegade on November 19, 2011, 08:44 PM »
As far as I can see, 3D and smart TV is still in its infancy.

For 3D, the basic competing technologies are passive (LG) and active (Samsung & everyone else). I've not really kept up much there. It all still looks pretty immature as a technology, and not really something that I'm particularly interested in. My leanings there are towards LG's passive 3D as it sounds a bit more convenient.

I remember looking at TVs about 10 years ago, and at the time LG had the best displays hands down. That's changed though. Whenever I browse TVs now, the sharpest pictures are generally Samsung -- but that's just from what I've see browsing for TVs, and purely subjective.

It makes sense though. Round about 2003 or so (not exactly sure of the year, but close enough - maybe 2005), Samsung pulled 300 engineers out of Samsung Semiconductor (a very successful division at the time) and put them in it's ailing display division. This pissed off everyone who was used to nice bonuses - they didn't want to go into the lame duck division, but were given assurances that they'd be adequately compensated as they had been before.

So with an influx of 300 engineers, Samsung's display division began development on custom chips that were specifically designed for TVs/displays. This put Samsung at an advantage because while everyone else was using generic chips, Samsung had what nobody else did - chips for displays.

The practical upshot there was that Samsung's display quality rose dramatically and that business division started to catch up in the markets as people started noticing the better pictures. CES was a big part of that, as it is for most CE manufacturers.

Anyways, just my $0.02 on the topic. Not sure if it will be useful for you or not. I don't really keep up to date on a lot of the end user features in TVs or displays -- all my knowledge is from "behind the scenes".




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Living Room / Re: A light-field camera? Ok. This is very cool!
« Last post by Renegade on November 18, 2011, 06:22 PM »
Meh, so what about the camera or software... What's their patent portfolio look like? :P (Kidding -- it looks very cool!)

But actually, these guys look like they've got something that is really innovative.

So, who's going to buy them first?  :huh:
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Living Room / Re: RIAA Doesn't Like the "Used Digital Music" Business
« Last post by Renegade on November 18, 2011, 09:07 AM »
Blocking license transfers is a pretty douchey thing to do. But what did anyone expect from the RIAA? The MPAA will follow the moment they see an opportunity.

The RIAA isn't remotely about music.

Reminds me very much about Stallman's story about books. Is there a difference? I don't see one.
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Living Room / Re: Hard drive shortage
« Last post by Renegade on November 18, 2011, 02:31 AM »
I've never seen any reports on what HDDs cost to manufacture and sell that indicated anything about their pricing.
Does anyone have any inside information or know of any reliable information on the topic? I'm curious.

The cost of goods manufactured will be on the financial statement of any publicly traded company, so you could look this up if you wanted. Depending on how detailed the information you got was, it could be the total cost of the goods (including labor), or itemized all the way down to every piece. Of course, there is the set cost and the dynamic cost (incorrect terms, go look up the right ones, but you know what I mean, the base cost of doing business [e.g. factory], then cost per unit for quantity). Right now, of course, it is all about supply and demand (and speculation), and a temporary inability to produce sufficient capacity resulting in an excuse to raise prices.

UPDATE: Of course, the end retail price is of course inflated further, as the manufacturers sell in large bulk blocks, with each individual unit costing substantially less than you'd pay retail on a single unit basis. On eBay I saw large blocks of WD20EARS going for around $200 a piece though, indicating the likely end retail price, at least as predicted by some, in the short term.


I don't do any supply chain work (or at least not in that area), and am not exactly Mr. Finance.

Can you help point me to wherever I could find that? A hard drive example would be great, but any example will do. Basically, if you can show me where to look, that would be fantastic.
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Post New Requests Here / Re: Idea: detect fake 320kbps mp3's
« Last post by Renegade on November 18, 2011, 02:15 AM »
I don't know of any program that can do that, or any plugin or audio analysis tool that can do that.

My gut tells me that the problem is too obscure and difficult to solve for there to be anything that can do it. I could be wrong, but I'd wager on it.
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Living Room / Understanding Why Apple Fanbois Hate Android
« Last post by Renegade on November 18, 2011, 01:39 AM »
Interesting article with some good points:

http://radar.oreilly...carriers-google.html

...

I could go on, but I won't. Each change was minor, taken by itself, but they added up, and turned a good user experience into a mediocre user experience. Maybe I wouldn't feel so strongly if I weren't accustomed to the neater, trimmer Android that Google delivers; but suddenly, the light went on, and I said, "Oh, that's why Apple fans hate Android so much."

A light read. Nothing earth shattering, but some points some of us know all too well.
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Living Room / Re: Hard drive shortage
« Last post by Renegade on November 17, 2011, 07:19 PM »
I've never seen any reports on what HDDs cost to manufacture and sell that indicated anything about their pricing.

Does anyone have any inside information or know of any reliable information on the topic? I'm curious.
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Word can do it. It's also a standard format that anyone can use. You can likely do it in Libre Office as well.
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Living Room / Re: multiple monitors vs large monitor?
« Last post by Renegade on November 17, 2011, 04:46 AM »
I say both.

Get multiple large monitors. :D

+1 :D

My wife took my small monitor to use with her laptop. I do miss it. I like to have 1 screen for video, 1 screen for reference, and 1 to work on.

Last I checked, the place where I wanted to get a specific monitor was out of them. I want another Samsung BX2440. It's excellent, and I use it as my main monitor. I want a third monitor (that one again) to stick in permanent portrait mode.

I find smaller monitors are still very good for "reference" though. Keep stuff on there to read, but don't work on them.
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Living Room / Re: New Consumer Protection for Broadband Customers (FUNNY!)
« Last post by Renegade on November 17, 2011, 04:42 AM »
Meaning, even when they don't screw you one way, they have others. That guy on their payroll whose job it is to stay awake every night and think up new ways to screw the customers (and their employees) earns every dollar he is paid.

You remind me of a quote from the movie "Fallen":

http://www.imdb.com/...tle/tt0119099/quotes

NFSW
Azazel: [speaking to Hobbes in Syrian Aramaic] I can't get inside you by touch, but even when I can, when I'm spirit, I won't. No. Better I get you for real. I'll fuck you up, down, left, right, coming, going. I'll get so close to you, so close it breaks you. And if that doesn't work, I have other ways. I have so many, many ways.

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Living Room / Re: New Consumer Protection for Broadband Customers (FUNNY!)
« Last post by Renegade on November 17, 2011, 12:50 AM »
It would nice to see "expected speed with variance in standard deviations" advertised.

Superficially a standard deviation would be nice (because sheeple can't grasp the whole traffic concept - even when they're stuck in it on the freeway...), but... (in reality) It would unfortunately only end up opening the door for Zero to be one of the standards it deviated to...More often than not.

 So when the "freeway" grinds to a screeching halt (Speed=0) it will be construable as an acceptable part of the (fine printed) "Norm"...Because it is within the "standard".

I was thinking of speeds expressed something like this:

Expected Speed: 20 Mbps with a standard deviation of 2 Mbps

So, 50% would get speeds above 20, and 50% below.

You can't really game a system like that. If you start counting zeros, then you're widening the standard deviation, which is a bad thing. Ideally, consumer would ideally desire standard deviations that are very small. (The first "ideally" is to express that in an ideal world people understand basic concepts like this. :P )

So, if you have a 20 Mbps speed, with 20 Mbps standard deviation, you're highly likely to get zero speed. The left side of the graph will have an abrupt cut off, while the right side tapers and then has a small cut off.

As an example:

Provider A
100 Mbps with 50 Mbps SD

Provider B
80 Mbps with 15 Mbps SD

Provider B is a far better bet there.

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