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I think BartelsMedia's first post was not so much aggressive as a bit "snarky" (sarcastic?) and perhaps overly defensive. Troll or not, people don't tend to respond well to that. Regardless of the hostility of a customer, if you're choosing to respond I think a certain level of restraint and professionalism is best for any company. It's fine to have a sense of humor and to be a bit more casual if rapport already exists, but for that kind of first response I felt it was more like someone responding to a personal attach and less like a company would/should do. Later responses did get much more aggressive from BartelsMedia though IMHO. Sadly against several DC members in fact, which really seemed counterproductive to me.

- Oshyan
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Is it really completely acceptable for you guys, that any anonymous troll can walk in, make any reputation-harming claim he wants and walk away without criticism?

And do you really find it acceptable to bash the victim when he makes a statement and provide evidence against the false claim?
-BartelsMedia (April 20, 2011, 01:33 PM)

I hope that my posting in this thread does not make it go further downhill. First, let me say that I too work for a small software publisher, so I can directly identify with the position Michael and PhraseExpress are in. That being said we have a largely positive community and relatively little adversarial comment online. I tend to feel this is partly because we intentionally do *not* pursue and attempt response to every single mention of our product, particularly in cases where it is being referenced by a user of competing software. The PhraseExpress approach seems the polar opposite to that, but we've found that the best way to potentially convert someone using other software is to give them a free copy. Beyond that it's not likely that any amount of argumentation will convince people otherwise, especially when discussing a commercial product vs. free ones. So I would argue that the PhraseExpress Public Relations approach is potentially at the root of some negative response, which is important for you to consider.

Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but my first reaction upon seeing ggamer's original post in this thread was somewhat dubious, slightly negative. While I recognized some of the concerns mentioned as issues I have also noted (such as the much discussed aggressive response to any and all PhraseExpress discussions), there were also a number of dubious or inflated criticisms that seemed to detract from and devalue the post as a whole, so that I largely dismissed it. Had another DC member responded first, I suspect it might have been something along the lines "You're right, there are some issues, but some of your criticisms are pretty silly or even rude". But that's not what happened.

There were 3 ways it could have gone, as I see it:

It may have just gone unanswered. While I recognize the likely contention by PhraseExpress that this would be a negative result for them, in fact I would argue that this means nobody really cares about the post and opinion of the poster, which is generally a good result. Yes, their opinion "stands" unchallenged, and that is difficult to accept without responding, but I do tend to think this is for the best. Responding allows you to potentially address the issues raised, but it also raises the profile of the original poster's comments, which might otherwise just fade into obscurity.

Another DC member might have responded to it, which I think could have either taken the form of what I mentioned above - some acknowledgement of the points made but also concern about the total critique - or may have been more in agreement. Tt may also have been something else, of course, but I think these possibilities are most likely. It's hard to say for sure. But regardless I feel that after one or more additional posts was made would be a better time to address the discussion, not before. This allows you to see what direction the conversation will take, if any, and respond to the general sentiment rather than one particular poster. After all you might have found more support than you ended up getting in this thread had people been more focused on the content of the original message (which I've already mentioned was problematic in my view) rather than your subsequent response. I will agree that it would be nice for everyone to address both at least, while the focus does seem to be on your response rather than the originator, but I think that just speaks to the issues I'm trying to bring to your attention in how (and when) you participate in these conversations.

Finally, what did happen is that you responded first which I believe created an adversarial tone from the beginning. There are multiple factors at work here, one being the perception by many here (myself included) that your language and tone are "aggressive". This may well be due to non-native language issues, I can't say. But I can definitely say that this impression is shared by several people in this and other threads where you've participated. I think, as the representative of a business, it is in your best interest to determine why this is and change it. That's your best bet at improving your public and customer relations.

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: YoYo Games / Softwrap Crappy License
« Last post by JavaJones on April 20, 2011, 02:38 PM »
I know that if I used phone home system to check for activations with a machine signature, I'd have a lot more money in my pocket than I do now. There are pros and cons. The point is to make it usable and convenient while keeping the mostly honest people honest. I don't play games much, and haven't seen many real PITAs there.

Or roughly the same amount of money but fewer people using pirated versions. So, a smaller user base, but possibly no greater income. Remember, a pirated copy is not reasonably substituted 1:1 for lost sales, not by a long shot. In many cases if someone can't pirate your product, they'll just use something else, free or pirated. I'm not excusing that behavior, just saying the realities of the market actually make piracy protection pretty useless beyond the very basics of casual license sharing (i.e. someone gives their friend a CD of an app to install that they're already using themselves; if you can prevent this you're preventing 99% of the piracy that's actually preventable and matters).

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: A Kitty Video for Mouser
« Last post by JavaJones on April 20, 2011, 03:25 AM »
Why are cats so adorable? Damn I wish I could have one. :(

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: When Growing Online Pressures Backfire
« Last post by JavaJones on April 15, 2011, 01:31 AM »
Does anyone get those kinds of pressures at work? Where you're asked to do things that you *can* get done, but you know it won't be quite right? Ever have to settle for "good enough"?

One word (and a smiley): Yes.  :-\

- Oshyan
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Hmm, shows distance from Earth to Sun as 60,000,000 km and to Proxima Centauri as 400,000,000,000,000 km here. But it does show the distance of Mercury and of Earth to the sun being the same, 60,000,000 km, which can't be right. Odd that you saw other errors than I did?

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: What's your approach to this help desk procedure issue?
« Last post by JavaJones on April 14, 2011, 03:51 PM »
Hehe, it's been a mix. Certain kinds of tickets and/or certain users, yes. Others, not so much. In general I find it a win to auto-generate, but definitely see how it might not be in other situations.

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: What's your approach to this help desk procedure issue?
« Last post by JavaJones on April 14, 2011, 03:42 PM »
Yes, that's a very good point indeed 40hz, and I agree. I do still prefer the option of auto-generated tickets and have found that in a good number of cases I don't actually need to change too much about the original ticket, only add additional info. But it does vary widely between organizations and the typers of users and problems they have.

One additional factor we haven't discussed is the perspective that some expressed to me which was that one person would generally be the "ticket manager" and be transferring tickets into the system from phone and email requests. This to me is perhaps the least sensible part of it, assuming you have multiple techs, because one person can become a bottleneck. But in the case of very small departments of only say 2 or 3 people, maybe it makes sense? That's certainly what was being presented to me at least. I'm still not sure I buy it. It seems to me it's preferable in that case that emails automatically generate tickets that everyone can self-assign and follow-up on. But sometimes I guess that level of control may be useful.

- Oshyan
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Agreed, full-screen would be a big improvement. Nicer imagery would also be great. I could imagine a Google Maps-like ability to choose between the "map" (illustration") view that it has now, and photo-based, like the original Powers of 10 or the one mouser originally linked to.

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Drupal is f*cked
« Last post by JavaJones on April 14, 2011, 01:30 PM »
And all I'm saying is I'm not sure the market will support such success at this point. It is frankly sheer luck that WP is successful *and* as good as it is. Don't kid yourself and imagine that the success has so much to do with how "good" it is. Joomla, Drupal, both are extremely successful and popular. Are they "good"? Sure. Better than every other CMS? Highly arguable. I agree that it would be nice if a clear leader emerged in the CMS market as it has in the blog market, and even more if it was a relatively well designed system like WP. I just don't see it happening soon given the current landscape.

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Drupal is f*cked
« Last post by JavaJones on April 14, 2011, 12:40 PM »
Which makes one wonder why, if they're so well done, they're not more widely used? Chicken and egg problem?

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Drupal is f*cked
« Last post by JavaJones on April 14, 2011, 12:10 PM »
Yeah, I know. I'm just suggesting that possibly, to do what a good general purpose CMS does, might remove some of the inherent simplicity and ease of use that Wordpress users love. It may be somewhat the nature of more general purpose CMS systems. After all there are 100s, surely one of them would have "gotten it right" and done what you're suggesting, right? Surely Automattic aren't the only ones with a good UI design sense.

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Drupal is f*cked
« Last post by JavaJones on April 14, 2011, 11:44 AM »
What exactly would a "wordpress-like CMS system" be? You mean Wordpress, but with all the extra complexity a full-blown CMS needs to do its job? ;)

- Oshyan
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I found a new, more comprehensive and "slick" version recently which blew my mind yet again: http://primaxstudio....f/scale_of_universe/
What's particularly interesting about this one is that it includes some additional info (speculative, but still scientific and interesting) on both ends of the spectrum, large and small. It also includes lots of great examples at every level of scale.

Screenshot - 4_14_2011 , 11_45_20 AM_thumb.png

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: What's your approach to this help desk procedure issue?
« Last post by JavaJones on April 14, 2011, 11:28 AM »
I agree. Nobody in the conversations I had was arguing against ticket systems as a whole, rather some felt that the system should just never be exposed to users and tickets should *never* be "auto" generated. They always wanted to be the ones creating tickets, entering data, etc.

One of the other unspoken issues with this is the overhead involved in adding back-and-forth communications details to your ticket system (unless you move to ticket system based communications once a ticket is opened). In other words let's say you receive a help request by email, you reply to the user to get more details, they respond and you open a ticket with the full info gathered so far. Now, do you move to ticket updates through the ticket system, or do you keep going via email? If the latter, then you should really be recording the pertinent info in the email back and forth into the help desk system. With all communications going through the system, that's never an issue.

In the end it's all about what works for people in their respective environments, of course. Different strokes for different folks.

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Drupal is f*cked
« Last post by JavaJones on April 14, 2011, 11:24 AM »
Are you speaking strictly as a dev? What if, as a small company, your web consultant firm recommends Drupal? If they're willing to handle the issues, is it sensible to go with it? Or is it reasonable to assume that the extra complexity will either increase cost, make it less flexible/easy to modify down the line, or both)? In other words would you at that point recommend asking if they can work with some other CMS, or even going with an entirely different consultant firm?

From the perspective of a small site owner that needs potentially sophisticated CMS capability (and can work with coders to get it), do you have any alternative suggestions for CMSs, short of "roll your own" (framework)?

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: What's your approach to this help desk procedure issue?
« Last post by JavaJones on April 14, 2011, 10:35 AM »
Thanks for the response, exactly the kind of perspective I was looking for.

Personally I think a mix of auto and manual ticket creation makes sense. Auto creation from emails works fine, manual from phone. But I prefer a good web portal over both so that users can enter ticket details into a form, you can enforce fields to get useful info, and they can use the same portal to get status updates on-demand or reply (with email updates being sent to the user automatically when the ticket updates so they don't have to keep checking the site of course).

What I encountered in my discussions which surprised me was that some people viewed the users having some access to the ticket system as a "bad thing". Beyond simply preferring a different approach or feeling that the human touch was better, they actually felt that giving users that access was a problem, either a security risk, or likely to generate a lot of erroneous tickets, or something. That has not been my experience, though I'll grant that auto ticket creation by email does sometimes create erroneous or duplicate tickets, and often the info in the ticket needs to be completed by a tech anyway.

Thanks again. Anyone else with a perspective on this?

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: Growing Green != Going Green
« Last post by JavaJones on April 14, 2011, 04:06 AM »
Hah, that's hilarious. Of course if it was fully legal they could just grow out outdoors where there's plenty of natural light and the plants would actually be pulling carbon dioxide from the air...

- Oshyan
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Living Room / What's your approach to this help desk procedure issue?
« Last post by JavaJones on April 13, 2011, 06:23 PM »
I've recently been discussing small-to-mid-size business IT procedures with a few colleagues and have come up against some interesting differences in our perspectives. One issue in particular seemed worth getting wider feedback about.

In any business that reaches a size large enough to have dedicated IT resources (whether in-house or contracted), there is usually the concept of a "help desk", generally the first point of contact for user issues. Methods of contact often include phone, email, and form input (Intranet or Internet). Help desk staff usually make use of some kind of ticket/issue tracking system to help them document, assign, and keep users informed on issue handling. Some companies allow or even encourage direct access to the help desk systems used for issue tracking (obviously with limitations for user-level vs. technician level access), others prefer to keep the issue tracking system entirely proprietary to the IT/help desk staff, with all communications made directly by a help desk representative through email, phone, or in-person.

Another key differentiator is that many companies, especially in my experience web-based or web-oriented ones, either allow you to directly input your issue into a form and immediately generate a help desk ticket, or they immediately generate an issue/case number from any incoming email (my ISP Sonic.net is a good example of this). Others prefer to only ever generate help desk tickets manually, with a help desk rep soliciting required information from the user either via phone or email.

So my questions are:
  • In your experience is auto-generation of tickets common (e.g. via email), and do you personally prefer that or not?
  • In your experience do help desk departments often provide direct access to ticket creation via form?
  • Do they allow access to viewing/interacting with the trouble ticket system and user's open tickets via web?
  • How do you feel about this level of access for individual users?

I'm happy to share my own perspective of course but I hope to get a sample of yours first. :)

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: The Evil Side of Nature
« Last post by JavaJones on April 13, 2011, 06:10 PM »
Yeah I seem to recall those are colorized or color enhanced electron microscope images. Very cool though. Ah yes, here we go:
http://www.telegraph...cts-and-spiders.html
Lots more weirdos there!

And a bonus from the Boston Globe photo blog: http://www.boston.co...the_micro_world.html

- Oshyan
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Given that this was reproduced with direct file access to those PNGs, it doesn't seem like a "script timeout" issue as far as I can imagine.

Mouser reiterates the critical issue: it's not necessarily surprising that the transfers should break or whatever, it's the fact that when they do, the browser doesn't realize it and subsequent attempts to download the same file (from the same location) don't trigger a re-download but instead just use a cache.

This makes me wonder whether it may be some kind of in-between ISP caching. I know someone else mentioned that. Very hard to say indeed.

It's also important to note we may be looking at 2 separate but related issues. On one side certainly there are occasional/intermittent transfer issues, as seen with the PNG issue pointed out earlier in this thread. These would also be likely at the root of, or at least involved in, the reason the installer download problems are occurring. So that issue certainly seems to need investigation and resolution if possible, and it seems that can only be either server-side or at some link in-between since it was reproduced simultaneously on multiple distant systems with (presumably) different Internet providers. It would be interesting to test packet loss to the server from a machine that is currently experiencing the slow download issue. It's also important to note it *seems* to be isolated to particular files on the server when it occurs, which is an additional twist which really makes it confusing, but at least suggests that it is more specific to the server than an in-between link (maybe...).

And then on the other side is the issue of the browser not realizing - or not being properly told - that a download is actually not complete when the user requests to download it again. This seems to occur cross-browsers so it does not suggest an issue in a particular browser's caching mechanism. While there may be such an issue common to many browsers, it seems somewhat dubious given they all work somewhat differently (for example Firefox uses temp files in the same directory as the download, while IE uses the system's temp folder and then copies the finished file to the destination folder when complete). Another possibility is some kind of caching in-between, likely at the ISP level (I don't know if the higher-level interlink providers like Level 3 do caching though). This would explain why it happens cross-browser. However my own experience with this issue suggests in fact that is not always so consistent. Sometimes using another browser *will* help. So it's all very confusing.

Bottom line I think the intermittent transfer speed issues from the server are a clear problem and need to be resolved. If they can be fixed it will at least minimize the chance of the "browser download confusion" that is the 2nd part of this issue.

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: 5 Reasons to Hate Google - Interesting Article
« Last post by JavaJones on April 13, 2011, 03:13 PM »
It's a good thing that Google and Eric "true anonymity is too dangerous" Schmidt parted ways. You can pick up the discussion here:
http://wn.com/eric_schmidt_at_technology

Maybe Larry Page can do what almost no one else has done: keep Google from the ossification that can paralyze large corporations, when they get to big that one part is working against another.

I sure hope so, but I'm not going to count on it. It may also be too late, perhaps something that one needed to avoid in the first place...

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: The Evil Side of Nature
« Last post by JavaJones on April 13, 2011, 03:09 PM »
Very interesting Jenny! I'm familiar with the Ichneumon and its habits, but hadn't heard that little tidbit about them hatching inside the mother! There are certainly a lot of fascinating and bizarre stories of nature's workings. Some of my favorites have to do with the mental alterations parasites can perform on their hosts. Things like making grasshoppers attracted to water so they jump in and drown, allowing the parasites to move on to their next phase of life (aquatic), or making rats unafraid of cat urine so they get eaten and perpetuate the parasite's life cycle. The Cordyceps fungus is another fascinating story beautifully depicted (and no doubt popularized) in the recent Planet Earth series.

- Oshyan
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So far this is what we have seen in this thread:

Initially, at least 3 people (f0dder, jaden, and myself) were able to confirm the issue with downloading those PNGs.
At least 2 confirmed that wget had the same problem during that time period.
Subsequently multiple people confirm that the issue is no longer present either with wget or the browser.

What this says to me is A: it's not browser-specific (wget had the same problem previously while the issue was occurring) and B: it's intermittent.

Hopefully all this is moot and they've found a fix already. :D

- Oshyan
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Great find f0dder, that seems likely related. What's interesting is that the download seems to start out quickly then slow down terribly (the same behavior is common to a browser and wget with those specific PNG files). Fetching a similarly sized EXE file (FlipSuite in my test) went like lightning.

- Oshyan
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