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Sick of your HD spinning and churning nonstop day after day, driving you nuts?

I would be if it happened, but I've yet to see it. After the initial install Vista will have to build the indexes from scratch and that can make for a rather active period, but once it's done it's done. The index updates are reasonably transparent...unless you're fixated on the HDD activity light willing it to stay off. There is no constant thrashing of activity.

On machines with slower disks, if there is a lot of file movement/changes/updates it could leave the indexing service playing catch-up on a regular basis ... but that's not Vista or the indexing systems fault.

I've seen performance tweaks involving either tuning or disabling the indexer as far back as Win2000, and I've plaved with most of them. However I've yet to see any of them produce a noticable impact on performance.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Cause of Vista crashes
« Last post by Stoic Joker on March 31, 2008, 10:17 PM »
If you don't have any problems with your current WHQL Certified driver ... you don't need to update. Let the hard core gamer crowd play at the razor edge of frame rates and the like, I don't have time for that kind of silliness.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Cause of Vista crashes
« Last post by Stoic Joker on March 31, 2008, 06:57 PM »
Stoic Joker: remember that SATA supports hot-plug... that's why the drives are added there. Might not be the smartest thing in the world, but lots of stuff isn't :). I think intel drivers used to do it, too, but my drives aren't listed in the safely-remove list now, so perhaps I was wrong, or it has auto-"fixed" itself.
Hm... I was under the impression it was more of a SCSI style hot swap-able type of affair. I hadn't realized they went the USB style hot plug route with it (Shit what a nightmare...).

Never the less, there's no right way to eject the C: drive while the machine is running. Unless you're trying to crash the machine for fun ... which I tried (successfully...) on some of the boxes that came through the shop.

I got an Intel ICH8 RAID5 controller on this board (Asus Commando) and I've never seen the eject the USB device Drive C: message on it. Or any other SATA RAID configuration except for the nForce stuff. Perhapps nVidia is just a bit to gadget-tastic for their own good?
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General Software Discussion / Re: Cause of Vista crashes
« Last post by Stoic Joker on March 31, 2008, 06:26 PM »
nVidia was doing a mad dash during the Vista RC days trying to get their driver stabilized. I remember seeing tons of posts all over the web from people screaming about BSOD after BSOD with nVidia cards just trying to get to the desktop. The ATi EAX300 (I needed a cheap PCIe card) that I had in my test box through the Vista beta (and some of the alpha) phase testing never missed a beat. Being a long time nVidia user I switched to ATi and haven't looked back (or BSOD'ed) since. ...I do however always strip out the corny Uber control panels as bloated poop.

nVidia's nForce chipset SATA drivers still inanely add the hard drives to the eject USB device list. Sure there's a simple "fix" for this, but so what? It shouldn't need to be fixed in the first place. There has been sufficient public outcry, outrage, and gnashing of teeth that somebody in the nVidia development department should have said "Hay, that was a dumb-assed idea...we should make it go away".  But did they? hell no! I had to DL the latest version of a RAID driver just the other day, and sure as hell there was the "Hi would you like to eject USB device Drive C:" in the friggin system tray.

Now if they can't fix something that simple, I'm quite disinclined to trust anything they do. Which is why none of their stuff is in my current flawlessly stable machine. Frankly I think the 30% of the pie they have is a tad optimistic (it should be higher).
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I like have your cake & eat it too solutions. (..and toward that end...)

MS dropping support for XP really won't have any impact on the Asus eee. Mainly because MS doesn't "support" OEM copies on any OS in the first place ... that job is left exclusively up to the OEM.

MS can drop support for the public sector according to schedule.

Asus can use the 2-3yr "Extended Support" period which is part of the life-cycle for (a small fee) those that just aren't ready to adopt the new version.

Asus then has a backup plan (if needed) to support their XP/eee end users until Win7 arrives.
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Actually my intent was to go with the Baptism-by-Fire concept ... Which makes Slackware an ideal choice. To that end, I've had quite a bit of fun with it (swearing included...). I just need to get the sound working and it will be completely functional.

Stoic Joker:
Remember to add yourself to the "Audio" group (I assume you've already installed OSS and/or Alsa)
In fact, while you're at it, check to see what groups you may or may not or should be part of.

I'm a former Slackware victi... uh, user. I've still got a few tricks up my sleeve...
You assume correctly. I'm running it in Virtual PC so the sound card is a SB16, pkgtool says that OSS is installed, and I've been playing with Alsa for hours... *Sigh*

I'm currently logging in as root *haven't got to the user account setup stage yet) which I assume should have audio privledges.

When I load KDE sound tries to initialize, but some times throws a Sound Service killed/is hogging the CPU error (or something to that effect)... but the host machine (Vista x64) never showes even moderate CPU usage. My current theory (which I haven't had time to test) is that perhaps I needed to install the huge.S kernel as I'm still using the basic kernel that the setup said I could/should continue using because it had worked ok so far... *Shrug* Does that sound like a viable solution? Or am I totally off my nut?
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[Gothi[c]]: Like I said before, if you're relatively new to GNU/Linux, or if you're not very proficient in it, and you don't have the time to spend to learn a new system, then just stick to what you're using, instead of trying it for 2 days and then coming back to complain.

Ah, the first and most difficult hurdle of all Windows users — myself included — face. Not to give up when it doesn't work at first or doesn't behave like Windows. (The second is the general confusion between Linux, the kernel, and its various desktop environments, such as Gnome, KDE, Xfce, Enlightenment, etc.)

Stoic Joker, I applaud you trying to use Slackware again, but I hope you understand that Slackware hasn't made the progress in usability that other distros have, and you're trudging up GNU/Linux's steepest hill with that choice. I don't know anyone who recommends Slackware except for advanced or highly experienced Linux users. Consider a Debian-based distro like sidux if you want a GNU/Linux experience where many of those challenges have been resolved by other people.

Actually my intent was to go with the Baptism-by-Fire concept ... Which makes Slackware an ideal choice. To that end, I've had quite a bit of fun with it (swearing included...). I just need to get the sound working and it will be completely functional.
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One thing MS can do, though, is to not start services most users don't need, limit most services to only listen to "localhost", and set up sensible firewall rules by default. At least XP SP2 comes with a decent firewall, but there's still people running SP1 and RTM...

Sad but true ... and they're usually the same people that scream bloody murder when they get a bill for $1,000 for a new engine ... when they could have just paid $15.00 for an oil change if they just weren't so damn busy...

I just did a spyware clean-up on a machine today that took less than an hour because the machine had been kept up to date. 6 months ago I did a cleanup on the same machine when it wasn't up to date ... and the bill was so high I flinched. However... being a kind soul...I also gave the lady a considerable break and a Stearn lecture about the importance of letting Windows update do its thing. She listened, it helped, that's a start.

Any matching that comes it the shop, leaves with all current updates installed. I don't give a rats ass if it only came in for a battery change ... It's getting updated.

[comment on later post] And yes subscription licensing is a nightmare.
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10. Windows 7 security features must increase usability by decreasing complexity.
This is the kind of absurd notion that helped to foster AOL's "Security is Simple...Just Click Here" campaign.

Security isn't simple, and it's never going to be simple until peoples attitudes are (forcibly) changed! A computer is not something that you can just flip on spin through the channels and then walk away from with impunity. (e.g. It's not a radio or a TV.) You are responsible for Your behavior, while You are rocketing down the Information Super Highway.

People have got to take responsibility for their own actions while driving their carputers. Microsoft isn't obligated to create a OS that will protect you from yourself while you go flying around the web like an idiot, any more that GM is required to build a car that keep you alive while plowing into a tree at 100mph.

You get Anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-lock brakes, and air-bags ... The rest is entirely up to you.
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Update: I now have file sharing working. I got a chat session going with an old friend (who's a Linux guy) from Iceland and he got me far enough to get the blasted thing to throw an error (Yahoo - finally something to work with) ... seems I'd managed to get smb.conf saved in the wrong location.

Only other issue was I was missing a package that controlled authentication.
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I tried RedHat (now Fedora) back when and it installed and ran fine, without incident, and worked...which was kind of ...boaring. So I flattened the box and took a crack at Slackware 9, which then proceeded to be much more of a challenge (which is what I was actually after).

My situation is much like wraith808's (While I don't own the company, I do tend to work 16hr days and dance on the edge of burnout constantly). But I still enjoy a good challenge.

I'm barely beginning to scratch the surface of understanding exactly how Linux of put together...so I'm not about to even attempt to form any opinions about how the OS is put together. I will however unequivocally state that their documentation is pathetically lacking in concise information. But that's OK ... I'm having fun!

The Slackware VPC is still sitting here, running on my desktop, taunting me, I swear I can hear it laughing. I could just delete it, but that would be admitting defeat ... Which I can not do. I will continue the fight until I force the evil beast to bend to my will, and only then will I decide if the fight was worth it.

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...Have you read the topic for this thread?

You're complaining about people who are trying Linux ... In a thread that's about "Why You Should Try Linux".

 :o

So... Back to the trials... :)

I selected Slackware because I'd had fun with it (v9) a few years back and thought I'd give it another go. The objective being that if I started with the one that had the worst reputation for being a pain in the ass ... Then the rest should be easy.

It's not per-se' that I have a issue with the rather scattered manner in which the OS is configured ... It's the complete lack of anything even vaguely resembling concise documentation that I'm finding annoying. e.g. Slackware.com (now at v12) has approx have a useful "manual" posted for v9 which is a bit of a g-a-p. I'm guessing the folks there were too busy making hugh improvements to be bothered with writting anything down to share with the rest of the class.

The install instructions (on their site) for creating partitions which must be done manually before running the install ramble on for two or three pages, and yet somehow still  manage to not contain enough information to create a partition!

Even when installing on a bare drive, LILO (the mandatory boot loader) is listed as "Optional" by the installer.

While I've actually managed to get the damn thing on the internet, and get the Samba config widget to give the shares a clean bill of health ... the machine can't even browse itself. It actually managed to force me to appreciate the fact that I've earned an error message; Oh goody I finally fiddled with it enough to get it to share a crumb of information about wtf is wrong!

etc. etc. etc.

*Sigh*

However I refuse to be defeated, so I will continue the fight.
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I've got Slackware 12 running on a VPC on my Vista x64 box. I'm going to agree with f0dder on the spread all over hell and back .config files as I can't seen to get the damn thing to do shit and that's after Goggling my ass off for about a week.

The typical Linux-esk answer to any question I've found is a quick off-handed blurb of "Just put arcane reference in the .config file" and then no information is given about where in the file to put it, or where the freaking file is at.

This is about half as friendly as a home lobotomy kit.
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Automated attacks are (unfortunately) quite common these days. The attack model used to be pick a target, probe it for weaknesses, and then try to exploit one of them (this actually required knowledge & skill). But now exploits are picked ahead of time in an almost shopping cart manner and are then launched against (completely) random servers using service/port scans in the hopes of finding a "soft" target that (via scripted exploit) can just be popped open, and be prepped and for ravaging when some lazy assed "attacker" gets back from lunch.

One of the biggest problems with this (or any) type of attack is that most sites/companies try to conceal the security breach and make every effort to hide the fact that it happened ... Which only server to assist it in propagating further. Foolishly prideful admins not wanting to admit "something went wrong" trying to hide "the mess", which only serves to spread this kind of exploit farther and faster.

In that regard I would like to sincerely applaud Mouser in his handling of this event because he actually made the effort to use common sense, and not only inform visitors that something had happened, but what had happened, and what they could do to clean their systems and prevent it from spreading it further. If more admins had the stones to do that ... The Internet would be a lot safer.

So I would just like to say Thank You Mouser, for doing the right thing!

Trust & Respect,
Stoic Joker
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General Software Discussion / Re: windows security - what's really necessary?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on January 31, 2008, 06:06 AM »
BTW, something that I'll install soon: DropMyRights. Now this thing is useful, and it does consume zero resources.

Why stop there?  

I usually set my privileges to user (OK, <i>power</i>-user...) - this should stop (some?) nasties from installing/running, and
I can log in as the administrator if I need to...

Target
The Run as... command works wonders if a user has a project open that they can't close.

Folks - I haven't forgotten this thread, I'm still following it, but I've been to busy (working) to get back and clairify my rant.

@CodeTRUCKER  No I'm not advocation sticking ones head in the sand and ignoring the threats, and yes I do understand the point and dirrection of your analogy (I thought it "fit" quite well). :)
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General Software Discussion / Re: windows security - what's really necessary?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on January 29, 2008, 08:29 PM »
Okay, First I'd like to thank Target for spinning off this thread.

Now I'm beginning seeing a glimmer of reality appear hear (in this thread) as it is ultimately, completely up to the user as to whether or not their ass stays attached, or gets blown into he weeds. AOL (the ignorance baseline...) had an ad campaign a while back with a tag line of "Safety and Security is Simple ... Just Click Here". To this day when I hear the phrase Just Click Here I still bristle a bit as I actively resist the urge to go ballistic.

I do on-site service work for both large companies and home users, so I get to see a good cross section of best and worst cases. The worst I ever saw were (hands down 5 star winners) the Just-Click-Here AOL machines that were being handled by novice users that just "checked their Email", and swapped greeting cards/Jokes/etc. with "friends" (that they met in chat rooms...). We're talking the High Dollar, Top Shelf, Media Center PCs that were taking 45Min to boot into Safe Mode brand of totally hosed here folks! ...I'm not talking about Kids running Kazaa & surfing Warez, these are middle-aged House Wives and Bank Managers. ...That thought they were "Safe" ... Because the happy little blinking icon told them so. *Bangs head on Desk*

[This Just In...] The Storm Worm, latest of the great (overly hyped) interweb deamons...has a few interesting requirements to infect ones machine:
A. Somebody Must open & run (with scissors...) the Attachment!
B. That someone Must also be running with administrative credentials, so ... the bugg will have PeRmiSsiOn ... to install itself as a Windows System Service. (Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! ...Hello!!!)
C. Be running a web server that is behind on security updates so it can inject itself  into a new distro point.

Q. Which security products would have protected the user from (themselves...) and prevented this little pandemic?
A. None of them.

Item 2 - What constitutes "Bad Places" on the Interweb?

Porn sites?! ...No. Yes they got a bad rap a while back with the dialers and such, but they've really pretty much cleaned up their act. Unless you're looking for something really depraved or illegal you're reasonably safe in that territory.  Yes, I've checked.

Warez sites? Meh there are tons of Script Kiddie new comers to the scene that have web-rings of god knows what-all. But there are plenty of the old schoolers still in the game that maintain the Honor-Among-Thieves code closely enough to make for reasonably safe travel if you know what you're doing. Of course piracy is illegal, so if the long arm of the law springs out of you're own ass and grabs you by the throat for stealing ...(hay)... who am I to complain...?

P2P networks? Now here's a budding nightmare. I can get songs for free! True. But if you don't fully understand the file formats you're dealing with ... The service call will likely cost more than the album would have.

Good God, this is turning into a diatribe (not actually my intention), Sorry.

I guess the (short form) point I'm trying to make is that traveling the Internet highway is no different than traveling the interstate highway, If you don't Drive Defensively ... You're going to end up with a wrecked car-puter.

The primary objective is to avoid getting infected in the first place. The outbound firewall game is a nothing more than a plan B attempt to save face after Plan A failed. Sure you prevented your comp from joining in the Zombie Squad, but you're still hemorrhaging resources and leaking the infection out of every hole the thing can find (You send mail...It sends mail).

Common sense and a condom beats the hell out of a lengthy discussion about if we should keep "it".
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I still think it was a mistake moving to black-on-white as a default, there's even a noticeable difference in CRT monitor power consumption... although it's not as much as some people claim, just a few Watts on my old 19" samsung.

Simple economics I suspect. In the DOS days computers were (had a) dark, ominous, and threatening interface that required cryptic commands that confused "normal" people. So MonkeySwift had to come up with a lighter (hearted looking), brighter, friendlier user interface that would lure folks out of (or into depending on you perspective...) the "shadows" to try this new, unique, and graphical ... way to play solitare... *Sigh*
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General Software Discussion / Re: Perfect Software?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on January 28, 2008, 06:41 PM »
I only know of one such application...a silly little clock. (there are probably loads of small single purpose apps that are the same story)

Back before I learned any programming, a friend of mine made a small desktop clock for me. When I requested it, I was unaware just how much of a stubborn minimalist he really is.

I gave him an image to use as a guide.
 (see attachment in previous post)
This is what I got from him:
 (see attachment in previous post)
  • When I asked to be able to change the colors and the font, he said no...that would be bloat.
  • When I asked for a border on the clock, same answer.
  • I asked him to remove the X and put an exit option on a popup menu...nope, he wouldn't do that either.
  • How about remember position? nope.

Everything I asked for, I got that same answer....no, that would add bloat.

He says the clock is perfect the way it is and there will not be any adding of features to it or any 'beautifying' ever. (If one discovers a bug, he will fix that, but it does what it does and does it well, so there is no bug fixing needed.) He says it could only be more perfect only if he can find a way to remove more 'bloat' from it and make it even smaller.

This was the application that gave me the push to learn programming. My frustrations from dealing with him lead me to learn how to create my own version with all the bloat features I wanted. :D

We still argue about this clock, even today, with him still insisting that it is perfect.

For anybody that wants his clock, it's attached to this post. He gave me permission to distribute it. (earlier 'bloated' versions and source are available, bundled, on his site's files page)
(Also being a minimalist...) I would have to agree with your friend, the clock is indeed perfect! I'm adding it to my collection of TClock versions.

Thank You for sharing it!
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Dark colored text with a white background for text editing definitely. However I also work at the command prompt extensively and can not function if it is not the (default) Exact opposite, white/gray text on black background. Which (as I think of it now...) doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

Anybody else share that hangup?
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General Software Discussion / Re: Best free firewall for Windows?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on January 26, 2008, 11:25 AM »
I think f0dder and I are in complete agreement, in that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. e.g. Once hostile code has gained a foothold on a machine the battle has already been lost.

There are 65,536 ports available in the TCP/IP stack and any of them can be leveraged for or against the machine using any number of services that are typically left running. i.e. NetSend Spam and the Messenger Service ... Anybody remember that annoying little game?

In a nut shell, there are really only two ways to hack a computer: Brute Forcing a session open, and Injecting code into an existing session to gain control of it. Any thing else is either a variation on the first two, or an attempt at Social Engineering ... Which is (hacking the user) always the softest attack point in any security scheme. Why go through all the trouble of trying to defeat the locks and alarm systems if all you have to do is knock on the door, smile nice, say hello, and walk right in...!

Simple is best ... and success is results driven.

The latest batch of (direct machine attack based) fast and furious virus development is virtually non existent. Everything coming at us these days is some variation on a soft target user interactive socially engineered knock at the proverbial door. Drive by down loads (to be effective), require that one or more of the following are true:
You have been conned into visiting the site.
The sites server admin had their pants down and let the server get breached.
You were compelled to click on something, or your behind on security updates.
You were running with administrative rights on the local machine, which is required by and for the exploit to gain and maintain control of the machine.


Note: I have to be somewhere so I've got to go now, I'll try to expand on this later ... I'm guessing is fairly easy to guess where I'm headed with it. :)

I'm back...

So... Who is it we're trying to protect "Our Stuff" from? Hackers? The news media has managed to spin that term into a completely useless Pavlovian reflex that has people stampeding into hiding to surrender they're wallets to whom ever wishes to claim that they can protect them from "Evil" (Much like a talisman in the dark ages...). *Snicker*

In the current Internet environment most of the problem children are using Phishing scams. That cleanly puts marketing companies and identity thieves into the same boat as they are both after the same thing, and have the same amount of scruples (e.g. None). The best target is the softest one and the softest one is the user. So unless there is a firewall that operates a third hand that pops out of the desk and slap the user in the head when they click on things that they shouldn't ... Then firewalls are simply not effective in that regard.

Will a software firewall prevent your computer from being a willing zombie participant in a DoS/DDoS attack? Maybe. But mitigating the damage and preventing it are worlds apart. If a Trojan can be prevented from gaining control of your machine in the first place (Privilege Restriction...) there's no need to try and corral it. Most people have home networks these days. Software firewalls get configured to freely allow communication between machines on the local network. So even if the rest of the world is "Protected" from your carefully firewalled stupidity ... Your LAN is still ToasT. <-That is not a solution.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Best free firewall for Windows?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on January 23, 2008, 08:04 PM »
Microsoft implemented outbound filtering in Vista's firewall - To shut people up. They created UAC to actually solve the problem.

Don't do everyday tasks with administrative rights. <- There you have it problem and solution in one simple sentence. Security companies don't give a damn about your computer's safety ... They're in business to make money, and scaring the $hit out of you works... Cha-Ching!!!

I only go to "Safe Sites" ROFLMAO ...Really? As defined by whom? I watched my granddaughter (on a pre SP2 machine) Surf for the Disney channel's Hillary Duff CD's for about an hour. The Machine was clean, when she started, it wouldn't boot when she was done. Now how much safer can you get than the freaking Disney Channel?!? *Sigh*

Hardware firewalls/routers on the other hand are wounderfull things.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Best free firewall for Windows?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on January 22, 2008, 08:02 PM »
btw, i'm behind a secure router, so much so that i've ditched 3rd-party firewalls for the Windows firewall, even though i came to know that it does only offers inbound protection.
Who cares about outbound "protection" anyway? When you get to the point where it kicks in, your PC has already been compromised... I see it as fixing the symptoms instead of curing the problem.

:greenclp: Nailed It! :greenclp:

I do believe we have the same opinion on this :)

Software firewalls fall into a category I like to call "Baby-Sitter" software ... The user just sits there tra-la-lips'ing about the web expecting it to auto-magically deliver them from "evil". Which makes exactly half as much sense as expecting ones insurance company to prevent them from running into a tree ... while driving drunk.
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Living Room / Re: 64 Bit CPU - Is it worth it?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on January 21, 2008, 06:05 AM »
What is it with the Sun Java crowd that prevents them from ever creating and using an effective version checking system?!? I run into that mess rather frequently and it's a major part of why I hate Java bases applications.

(On Topic side note)
Vista x64 also has both a 32 & 64 bit copy of IE.
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Living Room / Re: Help! Any NetGear experts out there?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on January 17, 2008, 06:23 AM »
Hm... Well if the router isn't completely shutting down, it has to be deciding to close that connection. The only way it can do that is SPI or a variation there of.

Go through the router's config and disable anything that is scrutinizing your WAN traffic, and make sure you're pingable. If you're not running any internal public access servers loose the port forwarding as it will only serve to defeat the NAT firewall by letting the box get bombarded with unsolicited traffic.
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Living Room / Re: Help! Any NetGear experts out there?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on January 16, 2008, 09:09 PM »
From the Miranda form's thread
btw, hotmail was in invisible mode while yahoo was off-line, the others (Googletalk & IRC) were active.

Between that and the internet still working, I think your router is off the hook. You may want to persue the conversation with nowotny at the Miranda form as they seem genuinely interested in further troubleshooting the issue.

Both HotMail/MSN & Yahoo have in the past made changes to their networks to complicate the use of 3rd party chat clients. I've had fits with them both and the Trillian chat client at odd times forcing the client to jump around from server to server trying to maintain a connection because they were playing games with the config.

It can't hurt to let the guy run with the ball a bit.
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