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Site/Forum Features / Re: Discussion: How can we Improve DonationCoder?
« Last post by Armando on April 29, 2010, 11:58 AM »
Can anyone give examples of forums (with tags etc) that they think have better forum features than DC? I've seen all sorts of things like this in other places, and have generally thought that they've made things worse (or no better at best). I can see some sort of system, as on Amazon, that says "Other people who looked at this also looked at these", "If you like this, you might like these" might help navigate to other relevant/interesting threads, articles or reviews, but I don't think I have seen a feature like that anywhere - and simple tagging just doesn't do it for me.

I completely agree.
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BTW, I see that more than 1 person downloaded the Database sample -- don't forget to download and install the latest InfoQube first -- I suggest the portable version !


[Oh... And all other non-superboyacs...  :) if you have requests and comments, criticisms etc. Please tell.]
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I changed the "versioning" system. I added a  "0." in front of the numbers. It's alpha...

In any case, here's version 0.51 :
- Changes to the tutorial, mainly
- Added hyperlinks to grids and templates.
- Maybe a few other little things here and there... Not much.

Haven't looked at my color script limitations yet... That's next, with the HTML export reports.
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Site/Forum Features / Re: Discussion: How can we Improve DonationCoder?
« Last post by Armando on April 28, 2010, 07:23 PM »
I pretty much like DC the way it is. Not because I'm just used to it and/or that I don't want to change my habits. I've actually rarely been here in the last year for personal and professional reasons, and each time I came back I found what I wanted relatively easily etc. I found the same quality threads, etc.

However, among the things that could either be improved or generate improvement, here's my small take :

1- Someone (40hz ?) mentioned the mission statement. I was going to mention it myself before reading that post.

Everything else should serve the purpose it describes. Refining the mission statement can only improve DC and the decisions about UI, appearance, content, etc.

2- Tags :

It probably takes a new framework, but then we could have tags, clouds, likes and dislikes, Facebook integration and whatnot.

I was never much a fan of clouds.

But to skrommel's point about the "depth of things" in the forums, for once I can see where something like a topic cloud might be a useful addition to a site like this one. The only problem I could see is if it somehow made people feel they needed to introduce topics and frame their comments to coincide with existing tags rather than let them range as far and wide as they currently do.

I'm not always a fan of tags, but I'm a big fan of syntactic or semantic statistical analysis.

Without going into details, maybe what I'd find interesting here would be a statistical cloud representation of all the words used in the forum (minus "determinants" ** (???) and other semantically "useless" words). The top 100 or more would be links to all the posts mentioning them. This, I find, gives a better idea of actual content then actual tags.

"Standard" tags could be useful, of course, but they're hard to use and maintain (quickly) in a forum. And since not everybody use them, they don't give an accurate picture of the actual total content.

I'm a big fan of tags ONLY when they're part of a well structured and managed system.


3- UI (minimal...) : there's one small thing that I think could be positioned differently : "show posts". You need to go into the profile, etc. to get to it. Why not place it (also?) at the top of the page with

Show unread posts  (since last visit).
Show latest topics. Show recent posts (full text).
Show new replies to your posts (unreplied topics).
Show all posts by Armando

I know... small thing... But I often looked for it and spent a few minutes wondering where it is.

3- UI : text editor for posts. I like it but wish it'd understand take keyboard shortcuts for common formatting options (Bold, Italic, Underline, etc.) : ctrl-b, ctrl-i etc.


So you see. These are just very small things that annoy me. There might be more, but... I can't think of any at the moment.

As for those who think that DC is declining etc. all I can say is that... Well it's a really subjective perception...  :) I don't think that DC is declining. So there you go. Also : it's damn normal to develop other preoccupations after a certain time and get tired of a certain sites that brought pleasure in the first place. So what ? This happens with everything else in life -- maybe because of "hedonistic adaptation", maybe because of something else...

Sure, you can fight hedonistic adaptation, but it's slippery slope. That said, it's good to change the furniture, makeup, hairdo once in a while... If it still serves the mission statement, if it makes things more fun .... and if it does keep people more interested an enthusiast. Usually, if it doesn't really bring more fun more strength to the mission statement, I think it'S a loss of energy and other resource.

My 2¥...


*** Determinants : probably not the right translation but I only have the French word in mind... And google is of no quick help here.
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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: Problems with fscript 1.20
« Last post by Armando on April 28, 2010, 04:23 PM »
Yes, of course ! thanks mouser. Simple fix.  :)
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Just a a warning. It's okay to manually color items manually in your normal DB. But for the meeting one, it's trickier because of the script I set up where colors are automatically controlled based on text in the item field, and other checked fields. I'll try to see what I can do to change that -- it's a weakness in my code.
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(edited and added some important info in last post : rule #2, and the link)
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Conditional formatting is one of those things that will get simpler more reliable. But in IQ's beta stage, it's not a priority at the moment (what is ? Calendar, filtering and grid UI, search and replace, important bugs...).

Rules at this point are (explained there : http://www.sqlnotes....index.php?q=node/219) :

1- conditional format doesn't admit other criteria than numbers. If it's a Y/N (Boolean) Field, then -1 = Y (<>0 in the cond. Format. win.) and 0 = N (=0 in the cond. Format. win.) (as it is, traditionally).

2- You MUST "save" in the field management dialog after changing a conditional formatting option -- even if autosave is on. This is a bug I discovered last week. 

3- If a columns format is conditioned by another column, both need to be present in the grid for the formatting to happen

4- The grid must be closed an reopen for the modifications to appear.

If your criteria is some text, then you'd need to use a VB function in the visual basic editor. Not for the "normal" users right now.
And then there are several approaches : insert the criteria in the CalcColor() function which will fully color the item, or create a separate function which will affect a Y/N field that you'll then be able to use as a criteria in the conditional format section of the manage fields window.


If you really want to do that, I can help you... Or you can wait for the conditional formatting to support strings.

(P.S. : The =4 in the screenshot was a reminder for myself. I used a number that had no effect since I wanted to keep the BackColor info for future reference.)
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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: Problems with fscript 1.20
« Last post by Armando on April 27, 2010, 06:26 PM »
BTW : how do you configure aliases (shortcut keys) for these fscript plugins ?
(Since you can't use the normal plugin interface.)
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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: Problems with fscript 1.20
« Last post by Armando on April 27, 2010, 06:24 PM »
I'll start with your last question
What do you think?

I think I'll just try everything you suggested and report back.

But... If I may ask... What are the advantages of using 1.20 instead of 1.9 ?


In my testing recently based on a subset of reported plugins, I found that Clock and Timer (the one in CZB pack) didn't seem to get along.  I'm currently trying things out with FScript 1.20 -- I hope we can get that working.

I'll disable the clock and see...

IIUC, the older Timer is no longer maintained -- so it's kind of a "ticking bomb" or a "timer waiting to expire".  Perhaps we can try to get things working so it is not necessary :)

Would you mind moving the older Timer (not the CZB pack one) and Clock somewhere else (with FARR not running, move the Timer and Clock folders from directly under the Plugins directory somewhere outside of the Plugins directory) and seeing if things improve at all?  (If the Timer and Clock folders (or copies) are kept without deletion, I believe it should be possible to restore them.)

I'd be surprised if the old timer conflicted with the new one as it was deactivated. But who knows. I'll try.


Also, in the FARR options window, there should be a Troubleshooting Log section.  If it's enabled, we might get some hints as to some plugins that FARR is encountering difficulties with.

I'll enable that.


I don't think I'll be able to diagnose farr tonight, maybe in a few days -- as that involves replacing fscript everywhere again, moving files around etc. and it always takes longer than expected (I'm getting better at chronological guesstimates, but I'm not there yet...)
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Yes, Armando, I think you are coming up with a great meeting management solution here.  I've been working in my current industry for almost 5 years, and everyone does it with Excel and/or Word.  Which is a lot of repetitive work and annoying for me.  I was initially thinking of doing something in Access, but I always turn yellow when it comes to Access.  IQ is a good balance of accessibility and hardcore functionality.  But even IQ would be intimidating for most users.

IQ is too hard for most user [Edit : to be fair, it really depends on what you want to do....]. Pierre is working to change some things in the interface and the filtering system so that everything becomes easier to grasp (a few things will disappear -- like the source/filter bar -- and it will become even more Ecco like... And at the same time, it will remain IQ. No loss in functionality, quite the contrary! More power to the user). So this meeting solution will actually get transformed a bit by the next IQ changes. But nothing that'll confuse you totally. ;)

My goal is that my girlfriend who's not a geek at all can use this meeting solution easily.

As it is now, it's not too bad. But it should be better when changes to IQ's UI and filtering system will take place.

The color problem : If you organize your working space so that you need to horizontally scroll a bit to the right (so that the outline numbering column is hidden, sometimes even the other one... But I usually organize my grids so that the 2 first columns don't contain vital info), all these problems will disappear. Try it...That's what I do while waiting for a fix.
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The linked content is all the stuff that I put under the agendas, action items, etc.  meaning, if I enter something in one grid, it will show up in the other grids.  So if I put an action item in the main project grid, it will also appear in the action item grid.  That's what I am calling the linked content.

Ok, I see what you mean. Actually there's no link, it's just that the different grids' filters that are different (+ the grids themselves auto-assign specific fields so that if you create an TLI in the action items grid it should automatically be an action item  -- providing you create it under the right meeting, which shouldn't be a problem if the context parents appear, and they should unless you turn the option off in the toolbars.).

But it doesn't really matter how you think about it -- just be clear that a link is a link, and an item seen in different places is... An item seen in different places. :)

That's the whole point of this thing, right?  In one grid, I can see all of the main project information.  In the action item grid, I can see all the action items regardless of which meeting they belong to.

Of course that's the main point.
All these grids can also be filtered in different ways. So you could, for example, only see action items from meetings inside a certain date range.
You could filter keypoints by content... Keywords...
Possibilities are multiple.

So when (if?) the reporting happens, it should be as powerful if not more powerful than other solutions.
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If I don't do it now, I probably never will, so that's why I'm rushing a bit.

Refreshing ? It's always been like that. It's a DB thing... :)
F5 to refresh the state of a grid also allows avoid useless slowdowns.
In any case, it's part of IQ's development plan to automate refreshing as an option.

What do you mean by "linked content" ?
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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: Problems with fscript 1.20
« Last post by Armando on April 27, 2010, 03:27 PM »
I forgot to say the most important thing :

fscript.dll 1.20 doesn't work better. All fscript plugins make my farr window flash briefly and vanish.

I came back to 1.9, and most plugins work. Some don't, like the timer. So I went back to a previous versions which I had deactivated, etc.


[EDIT : I haven't any farr crash in the last 2 weeks though...]
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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: Problems with fscript 1.20
« Last post by Armando on April 27, 2010, 03:09 PM »
Just to recap. I had installed and running :

Activated plugins:

Clock (v1.0.0.1)
Timer (V1.01.13)
Data Generator (v1.0.0.4)
Delicious (V1.0.18)
Externalsearch (v1.0.0.0)
FARR AltTab (v1.2)
FARR Environment Variables (v1.1)
FarrFox (V1. 09.01)
GoogleSuggest Plugin (v1.0.0.1)
FarrMostRecentlyUsed (V1.0.1)
FarrMultiMonitor (V1. 1.0)
FarrUninstall (V1.03)
FarrWindowsSearch (FARR 2 Plugin) (v0.1.0)
TinyEverything (v0.9.5)
FCalc (V1.10.01)
FARR Subscript (V1.10)
GooglePlus (V1.1)
hamNotes (V1.0.0.7)
Network Connections Plugin (v0.0.0.3)
PrinterList Plugin (v0.0.0.6)
ProcessKill Plugin (v0.0.0.5)
SendMessage (V1. 0.0.0)
Service Control Plugin (v0.0.0.3)
??l (v??|) - ??|  [This one is actually TodoTxt, but for some reasons, this is how it appears in the plugin manager]


Fscript plugins :

Character Table - 1.05 Mon Feb 23 2009
Definr.com - 1.0 Mon Feb 23 2009
Dicts.info Thesaurus - 1.0 Mon Feb 23 2009
Google Calculator - 1.0 Mon Feb 23 2009
Google Dictionary - 2.0 Tue Feb 24 2009
Google Translate - 2.0 Tue Feb 24 2009
JScalc - 2.1 Sat Mar 7 2009
Ninjawords.com - 1.0 Tue Feb 24 2009
Timer - 2.0 Fri Feb 27 2009



Deactivated standard plugins :

Everything Plugin (v0.1)  [DEACTIVATED]

Deactivated but installed fscript plugins :

- Online Czech2X Dictionary - Folder: Online_Czech2X_Dictionary
- Table Data Search - Folder: Table_Data_Search
- tratu.baamboo.com - Folder: tratu_baamboo
- fftab - Folder: FFTab  activate 



Notice that I had 2 timers :
Timer (V1.01.13)
Timer - 2.0 Fri Feb 27 2009



NOW :


Activated and installed :

Clock (v1.0.0.1)
Timer (V1.01.13)
Data Generator (v1.0.0.4)
Externalsearch (v1.0.0.0)
FARR AltTab (v1.2)
FarrMultiMonitor (V1. 1.0)
FarrWindowsSearch (FARR 2 Plugin) (v0.1.0)
TinyEverything (v0.9.5)
FCalc (V1.10.01)
FARR Subscript (V1.10)
hamNotes (V1.0.0.7)
Network Connections Plugin (v0.0.0.3)
SendMessage (V1. 0.0.0)
Service Control Plugin (v0.0.0.3)


Activated fscript plugins (SAME AS  BEFORE):

Character Table - 1.05 Mon Feb 23 2009
Definr.com - 1.0 Mon Feb 23 2009
Dicts.info Thesaurus - 1.0 Mon Feb 23 2009
Google Calculator - 1.0 Mon Feb 23 2009
Google Dictionary - 2.0 Tue Feb 24 2009
Google Translate - 2.0 Tue Feb 24 2009
JScalc - 2.1 Sat Mar 7 2009
Ninjawords.com - 1.0 Tue Feb 24 2009
Timer - 2.0 Fri Feb 27 2009




Uninstalled (folder deleted)


FARR Environment Variables (v1.1)
GoogleSuggest Plugin (v1.0.0.1)
FarrMostRecentlyUsed (V1.0.1)
??l (v??|) - ??|  [This one is actually TodoTxt, but for some reasons, this is how it appears in the plugin manager]




Deactivated plugins



Delicious (V1.0.18)
FarrFox (V1. 09.01)
FarrUninstall (V1.03)
GooglePlus (V1.1)
PrinterList Plugin (v0.0.0.6)
ProcessKill Plugin (v0.0.0.5)
**Everything Plugin (v0.1) (Was already deactivated)


Deactivated but installed fscript plugins :

- Online Czech2X Dictionary - Folder: Online_Czech2X_Dictionary
- Table Data Search - Folder: Table_Data_Search
- tratu.baamboo.com - Folder: tratu_baamboo
- fftab - Folder: FFTab  activate 



I don't know what we can do with that info, but here it is.
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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: FARR plugin: FARR Windows Search 0.1.0
« Last post by Armando on April 27, 2010, 02:37 PM »
I won't have the time to look into that problem today... I spent (way) too long working on https://www.donation....msg203220#msg203220
 :-[ .

I'll post something in the other thread (https://www.donation...ex.php?topic=22442.0 ) though.
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4th draft...
5th draft
It's much better.

[TO download the latest version go to my latest post : https://www.donation....msg203422#msg203422]
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I don't have much time today, but I took a look at the DB during my lunch break.
I'll upload another version shortly as my template grid gave erroneous tutorial indications. Sorry about that. Like I said, it's a work in progress... :-[

(I did correct a few more colors and changes some fields. I think it's clearer now and pretty easy to use. Colors make it clear as what fields are related to which item, etc. I there are too many colors, let me know. I can change that easily.)
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A few Screenshots...
Screenshot - 2010-04-27 , 01_59_35.png
Screenshot - 2010-04-27 , 02_00_19.png
Screenshot - 2010-04-27 , 02_01_45.png


[Edit]

==========

Presenting the whole thing in an outline is one way of doing it, but everything could be split into panes (grids) without too many outline levels (e.g. : The project level could go away and you'd only keep the project field as an identifier, etc.). Some don't like deep outlines; I don't mind... especially if I know that I can explode and flatten the whole tree whenever I wish.

And that's what the different grids in my example are there for : allow to see different aspects of the meetings/projects, displayed in specific sets of columns and without all the other levels and details. This what I tried to show in the screenshots (but maybe didn't succeed) : any part of the project grid can be seen and followed in another grid. Very convenient for the  actions items which can be followed as a todo list, with urgencies, priorities, etc. without the need to transfert them to another list.

Note that in my own DB, these action items will/would be merged with my own todo lists and  I'd be able to filter them out as needed. IMO the best is to have this specialized DB inside the main DB so that you can have immediate access to all other info. Of course, if Pierre can bring in a feature allowing the displaying of several DBs at once (within the same IQ process), this won't be needed.

==========

The templates aren't really necessary once one understands that a project needs an ID and that the project field needs to be checked... Same logic of meetings, etc. The color coding should help.

I haven't played too much with fonts, etc. But the template could use different fonts types and sizes, a bit more.

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There's something buggy with the contact list. I'll send it to Pierre. (I does work here, but it seems that there might be a slight problem with the grid component -- hypothesis only at this point.)
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Here's the 2nd draft. (yes, please keep in mind that it's a DRAFT, part of a work in progress. Don't use for important stuff at this point.)

Hopefully it's going to work ok.
The last one was buggy. Sorry.


Biggest changes :

- colors : I tried to implement some of your suggestions. There are a few drawbacks (explained in the DB), but not too many... ;)
- Created a simplified template with less items (I think you confused fields with items in your comments, but I got what you meant) : got rid of keypoints and the different categories of participants, etc.
- Changed many other little things but they'll probably go un-noticed since they mostly happen in the background.


What didn't really change (AFAICT) :
-I left the project ID field where it is as it's a very important field... It can really help in all grids to know on which project you're working, without having to look at the whole outline. Plus, it's part of the grid source in many grids.
- I also left most fields in the grids. You can always get rig of those you don't want to see. BUT, some of them will be necessary if you want the individual cell coloring for keypoints, action items, etc. The grid component has this small bug that makes it necessary to have the fields there in the grid for the conditional format to function. I must say that this "bug" is actually quite useful sometimes -- when you don't want any colors in a grid, and some in another...!


Bug (?):
- I was able to reproduce the contact list problem, but it works most of the time -- I have no idea about what does it. Can you make it work sometimes ? Usually, it doesn't work only the first time I try it, and after there are any problems.


That's it... Time to get some sleep !

[Edited to clarify]

[4th draft in my latest post -- removed previous version here 2010 04 27 -- 12 42]
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OK, Armando, this is pretty nice.  Thanks for all your help.

You're welcome.

My thoughts so far are this:
I like to keep things as simple as possible, so one of my thoughts on the database is that I wouldn't really use a lot of those fields.  So I would like to hide the fields that I wouldn't use just to keep everything clean and simple.

Sure.

What I basically did was to mimic all features in the MeetingSense app.

The grids are easy to modify. So you can right click on any column and hide them. Conversely, you can add any field you want in the grid.

In any case, I'll make a simplified version keeping these

--I like the conditional formatting.  I don't know if it's possible, but it would be nice if the coloring could be such that you can tell what is a parent or child item based on the coloring.  For example, a child would be surrounded by the parent color, or the child is a lighter color than the parent.  Something like that.  So the group of items under a meeting are somehow colored so that you can see the "container" that the group is in.  I've attached something showing how I've done this in the past:

Yes, colors are useful.
This is certainly possible (within limits), but not with the conditional formatting option as it is now. I can script it though.
The thing is that the rows will be fully colored, not individual cells as it is now. In any case, I'll try something.


--I can't quite seem to figure out how to add participants from the contact list.  I choose it from the contact list field box, but nothing shows up in the grid after I select it (I'm doing this int he Projects grid).

Normally it should appear in the item, and other fields (like phone # etc) should get filled too. Did you double click on one of the names from the "drop down" list (it's not exactly drop down, but I'm sure you get it... More of a dialog, I guess), or jut click OK once you selected a name ?

--I'd probably move the project ID field all the way to the right.  It's one of those fields that you only need to know once in a while for troubleshooting.

PErfect.

--I wouldn't use a lot of the fields in the addressbook.  The only thing I'd use it for is to keep a list of meeting participants.  I have other things I use for contact list management.

It's probably possible to import everything in IQ though -- not replace your current solutions, but it would probably be handy.


Note that I saw a couple bugs here and there... Like the fact that the template was actually the project appearing in the project grid. That shouldn't be and I already fixed it. Templates are "Locked" and the source bar in the project grids filters out locked items...

Anyway, I'll post another version soon.

In my DB, action items are treated as tasks (todos, with a complete project management solution), only with a different icons and "assigned to" details. You can use the gantt to manipulate dates etc.

My urgency calculations etc. are more sophisticated than what's there, but it'S probably not useful to get into that now.
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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: FARR plugin: FARR Windows Search 0.1.0
« Last post by Armando on April 26, 2010, 02:42 PM »
That sounds more likely. You mentioned two different exceptions though. So the other one could still be a FarrWindowsSearch problem.

Yes, possibly.

Note that I disabled a few plugins recently and I haven't seen the error again. But then I also used it a bit less, so...

I've also had problems with the fscript.dll and other plugins 2 weeks ago. I haven't got the time to get to hearth of the problem but I will tomorrow -- I have about an hour free.
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FARR Plugins and Aliases / Re: FARR plugin: FARR Windows Search 0.1.0
« Last post by Armando on April 26, 2010, 12:02 PM »
hi phitsc,

I know this isn't a precise indication, but farr seems to track the problem to fscript.dll (in the \FSubScript folder). That's what a dialog says when farr is restarted.

I already updated the fscript.dll (all of them, in all plugins folders) to version 1.9.0.0 (the last one, it seems). Maybe should I downgrade to a previous version.

What version do you use?

Thanks!
FarrWindowsSearch does not use the fscript.dll

Maybe a conflict with another plugin using fscript.dll
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Hi superboyac,

Did you receive my little note ?

Here's a first draft. It's not perfect, it needs some polishing etc. but I'm running out of time... Working tomorrow morning, etc. Still I'm sure it could be useful. I'd certainly find some use for it... And I'll integrate that to my own DB soon (I already have my own version, but this one has some stuff that I like a bit better... Anyway.)

There's no real report feature at the moment. I'll see what can be done as soon as I can get in touch
with Pierre.

Give me some feedback...  :)


[EDIT : see latest version in my latest post. Thanks.]

P.S. There are a few notes of explanations (readme file)... Also have a look at the Welcome grid. I wrote some stuff there too.
I could be that it's a bit too colourful. We'll see.
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