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Living Room / Re: What kind of tagging system would be appropriate for DC?
« Last post by f0dder on January 06, 2008, 02:51 PM »Tagging should be invisible for people who don't feel like drinking the kool-aid.
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Whilst I was initially interested this quote from the wiki arttcle is pretty much what I suspected would be the major drawback:Perhaps the most significant disadvantage of greylisting is the fact that, like all spam mitigation techniques, it destroys the near-instantaneous nature of email people have come to expect, and throws email back to the early days when it was slow and unreliable. A customer of a greylisting ISP can not always rely on getting every email in a small amount of time. Thus email loses its function as easy and effortless vehicle to transfer electronic information instantenously.-Carol Haynes (January 06, 2008, 11:27 AM)
fOdder that's an interesting idea - but can you set it up to do it on a per email basis rather than domain name?Well, afaik it doesn't look at the (possibly spoofed) "From: " header line, but rather the host that's connecting to it. And it's my experience that spam mails are sent from infected zombie PCs, not through valid mail accounts, so it should work just fine
The reason I ask is that a lot of spam comes from common domain names (usually ISP domain names or common free webmail sites such as Yahoo and Hotmail). Mostly these are spoofed email address sources and so it is difficult to track down the actual source. Greylisting by domain name would only have partial success on the constant stream of crap I receive as a lot of the domains would have been automatically whitelisted by genuine emails being sent from the same domain name.-Carol Haynes (January 06, 2008, 09:17 AM)
I was previously using Outlook and found its junk mail filtering pretty useless so I got Cloudmark for that. Since I already had the license I used it for Thunderbird. I will try the Thunderbird junk email filtering and see how it compares to Cloudmark and maybe I can save myself the license renewal.Thunderbird's junk filtering is only bayesian filtering, while Cloudmark also does filtering based on what all other Cloudmark users do? My primary email client right now is TheBat with the free version of AntiSpamSniper which is also just Bayesian, and once trained, so little spam gets through that I wouldn't pay for more comprehensive solutions.-bscott (January 06, 2008, 10:04 AM)
Not too sure how much I like the greylisting idea. Interesting, but if it becomes widely used and effective, the spammers have an easy work around.Considering that spammers mainly operate from open (and buggy) relays and zombie botnets (which don't have proper SMTP servers installed but "just enough to work"), I don't think they're going to defeat greylisting anytime soon.-bscott (January 06, 2008, 10:04 AM)
Everything I do with them is secured, which matters when I connect through my workplace. They even have LDAP address book support. When at home I connect using Thunderbird via IMAP.Sounds very nice, just keep in mind that most emails don't go through an entirely secure path when travelling through the internet, so even if you, as the final link use encrypted access, it's still possible for people to snoop on your mails through previous links.-tinjaw (January 06, 2008, 09:47 AM)
Nope, just meant per-user folders&shares on the server, still keeping locate indexing and the database files on the server. But I can see that my post wasn't very clearit took two days here? Typically I'm not so slow.
f0dder: ahh ok, I though that you meant user's own folder-jmj (January 06, 2008, 08:37 AM)
vixay, Howabout if you create one database for IT, another for HR and third for OP and keep database files in server?That's what I was trying to say-jmj (January 06, 2008, 04:57 AM)
Not necessarily, basically any language can farm out to OpenGL or Direct3D... and especially OpenGL is *very* forgiving, even with bad code you could reach 100's of fps even several years ago, until you started doing more complicated stuff.I don't know Emergence so can't speak of that, but the implicit type conversions of VB are evil.VB=-f0dder (January 05, 2008, 04:31 AM)EBASIC=
Actually, EB can do 3D, so sumpin's up! Gotta be fast for that!
-CodeTRUCKER (January 05, 2008, 07:23 PM)
That assumes you only read by forum - I don't know about others but I don't open individual forums very often (usually only when I am looking for something specific - and even then I mostly use search). The way i read forum posts is to use the "Unread Posts" button at the top. Unfortunately that would mean I would be faced with all of the religious software threads whether I wanted to see them or not. OK I don't have to open them but to my way of thinking they would be just as bad as the Junk folder in my email that I have trawl through.I view the forum basically the same way.-Carol Haynes (January 05, 2008, 03:05 PM)
If we can find some small way to make DC even more valuable to codeTRUCKER and Carol, as well as to Renegade and f0dder, then we, as a community, will have accomplished to make a perl from the grain of sand that is this thread. (intelligent design or evolution?Oh my gawd, you just called me a perverted sex fiend!)
-tinjaw (January 05, 2008, 05:59 AM)
). )and we talked about subsequently; I think the title was something like "molecular cooking", they basically identified the exact temperatures needed to start the chemical/molecular changes, like doing long-time low-heat cooking of meat, followed by a very short ultra-hot fry to kill the bacteria on the outside of the meat (obviously this kind of cooking is not good for minced meat!).I may get in trouble with some of the heavy hitters here (I have beforeAs long as you're not using PowerBASIC, I'm not going to smack you - not even if you like that kind of thing), but I will tell you that my NANY '08 app, "Trucker's Log Watch," was start to its present functional beta stage in two days and I didn't break a sweat AND it was my first try with EBASIC!. I used Emergence BASIC (SMACK!~ I knew it! f0dder, cut that out!)
-CodeTRUCKER (January 05, 2008, 01:07 AM)
All kidding aside, I chose it because it requires no runtimes, no .NET and it makes tiny fast execs. BASIC can be used to learn good techniques or it can cause problems in learning. Take me, I use Emergence BASIC like I've used every other language I have tried just like what little C++ I've used; for instance; I don't use spaghetti code and I can use pointers in EBASIC if I want to.Hummm, good programming practices with BASIC, hummm. You can write okay code even with Visual Basic, but it's so much easier to end up writing utter cruft, because the language is what it is, and how the "standard libary" is structured. I don't know Emergence so can't speak of that, but the implicit type conversions of VB are evil.-CodeTRUCKER (January 05, 2008, 01:07 AM)
P.S. Also because my signature in this forum pretty much already states my opinion.Yeah, you're one of those weird religious people-tinjaw (January 04, 2008, 06:53 PM)
How would you want them handled? Explain.Hm, gotta try that one out sometime.
I have a free font manager called Cfont Pro that I would be willing to add requested features to.-Veign (January 04, 2008, 10:13 AM)
We kind of get the NSFW stuff "free" when we write the tag system.Exactly, excatly, exactly!
It seems to me the main questons are:
What is the user interface for displaying tag info and setting tag info and who gets to set tag info?
Let me emphasize this point: The tag system is *not* being written so that we can have an NSFW filter -- that would be much much too much work for such a tiny tiny issue.-mouser (January 04, 2008, 09:35 AM)
Personally from my perspective there is so little even remotely objectionable content on this forum that the NSFW filtering stuff seems like overkill. But since it kind of comes almost free with the tag system it may be worth considering doing.Spot on the sugar again.-mouser (January 04, 2008, 09:35 AM)
Also, I do not want the forum to get "noisier" -- i dont want tags all over the place and making things harder to read. the idea of having them per-thread down at bottom of page might be a nice idea. or the tags could be invisible or only shown when you click a small unobtrusive button somewhere. Wordzilla is good with this stuff, he'll come up with a nice methodYeah, definitely don't want the tags to show up in the thread overviews (but could have a button there), and when viewing a thread the tags could be shown at top or bottom of the page. Or it could be shown based on user setting etc.-mouser (January 04, 2008, 09:35 AM)