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Living Room / Re: SEO funny businees I'm involved in. Thoughts?
« Last post by Paul Keith on February 18, 2011, 06:26 AM »
I hate that shit!!!  Yet here I am writing for them.  I still don't necessarily have a problem with it logically, it just feels funny.  Are they going to take my articles and make hundreds of articles out of them?

You could always write a more generic article. It won't be as fun but at the same time you're just writing linkbait anyway plus - think of it this way - even without spinners, most blogs rewrite and link to each other anyway and you too might have used a social media service here and there to share links in another service in order to be spotted.

I hate sounding like a spammer but form follows function. These guys are just optimizing what most of the web 2.0 consumers are doing at a daily basis anyway.

Not that I'm trying to keep you into the service but to me, ethically, this is alot like feeling guilt from killing a man but feeling nothing from killing thousands of ants. Just putting it in context in case you have some qualms.

As long as this is in place:
each article links back to your website, earning you one-way links from authoritative sites
- it's still a whole lot more ethical, logical and rational than those human PPC ad rewriters who get payed for rewriting three or less keywords for somebody.
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Yep, precisely. It's not so much risk assessment as education assessment as well as victim assessment maybe. Like how knowing a virus wiped your HD makes you keep an Antivirus no matter how careful you are.

That's why a generated one click login like Facebook is better. Not to diss on Twitter and OpenID but if people think their private info is at risk, they tend to go the extra line of defending themselves in protecting that account. This doesn't mean they won't have bad security or bad decisions (hell I still don't know how my ATM money was stolen in the past) but anything with private info is much better at social engineering the casual person to have a great master password.

Note that I'm speaking purely from the model of Facebook Connect importing datas into other services and not specifically Facebook Connect which I hate since I mostly don't use Facebook. (I also ignored Google here since no one really wants to use a Doc Manager to be their credit card also. That's like using your Hard Disk as your coupon card. I use it from time to time but if I have anything important on that e-mail account, hell no.)
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Living Room / Re: Too many facebook friends linked to anxiety
« Last post by Paul Keith on February 17, 2011, 06:55 PM »
Unfortunately this is old news. Now too few friends can also be linked to anxiety as many of the social ad...err app games require inviting friends to well play far enough. Couldn't get past Crime City without inviting your friends to sell you an item for example.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Bulk Creating Folders
« Last post by Paul Keith on February 17, 2011, 03:50 AM »
I just use the hotkeys in file managers. (ctrl+shift+n in nautilus and F8 in Ultra Explorer)

Now if we're talking about bulk creating txt or rtf files all with different names - man...I haven't found a hotkey or program for that. (especially since batch text file makers need to have predefined names in place)
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N.A.N.Y. 2010 / Re: NANY 2010 Release: Anuran
« Last post by Paul Keith on February 17, 2011, 03:41 AM »
Suggestions:

1. Pop-Up Wisdom Book Format Export of the Texts

2. Forms (when the note pane opens there are some default texts already)

3. Smart Time
      -timer doesn't move unless the PC is active and not idle
      -note doesn't open if a certain mb of space is being used
      -spaced repetitive time (say a user sets it to 5 min./30 min./2 hrs. everytime they leave a note blank, the next pop-up comes up sooner and everytime they write something long the note comes up much later until it reaches the max time or vice versa)

4. Archive/Skip to next log button on the pop-up pane
      I don't really know how logs work but I'm more of a copy paster then a searcher so often times I tend to put single entries into separate text files rather than one huge note.

5. Option to open pane in full screen (not maximized) - could work in conjunction with spaced repetitive time

6. Option to send to twitter or facebook
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Two more obvious additions:

What would your body like to do?

What is right in front of you?

Why?

Unfortunately as obvious as these are, I find them necessary.

What would your body like to do?

I thought either my body would help me out on this or I could delegate this to a more functional productivity system be it a paper system or a software but unfortunately without this first category the card breaks it's flow and fails to serve as a good enough stand-alone disposable system.

What is right in front of you?

Part of the idea of a stand-alone system is that it needs to capture everything in a pocket dimension of your mind with near zero thought on the user's part.

The idea is that it's worthless if you can have the time to plan and write it out. If you can do that, you are in a spot where you can think on your to-do list or utilize your expertise and specialty...basically if you can plan, then you're either organized already or you're in a safe spot where your plans are good enough to get it done with no urgency (or you have a system that's really not working for you)

Has to be write then review, write then review. Just like if you were planning to buy some items with a grocery list. Look - buy - Look - buy.

...or you're not swamped in your schedule so all you do is write down one or two meetings in a calendar. No need for reminders or contexts or fancy stuff like that.

Problem is, this format is a little too good for me. (This is currently my paper notebook system)

Regardless whether I finish what I wrote or not, it works in the sense that it returns me to a zone-ish mindset whenever I review my notes and I'm off of my organizer's block and get back to doing something.

Problem with a zone-ish mindset is that it tends to stray towards things you really want to do and it's too easy to ignore/forget throwing out a piece of crumbled paper, crossing out your backlogs, forgetting to eat your food, defragmenting your HD, whatever. Plus it adds new ideas to your brainstorming mind. At least for me, on a very slight level, it merges my own disorganization with my own planning so something like writing down "monitor" - makes me remember that I've been sitting in front of this thing the whole day.

Refresher:

  • T:
  • CD:
  • S:
  • NW?
  • ND:
  • WWYLTD?
  • WWYBLTD?
  • WIRIFOY?

Tips:

*I find that if you are using an invisible entry in your WWYLTD? that you can merge it with your WWYBLTD? answer so that if someone sees your notes, you don't have to explain why you have a blank section. Of course, if you are good at memorizing data this is child's play. I have an extremely bad memory though so only this section works for me.

*The last few acronyms may seem long but I find, for me, shorter acronyms don't work. Sure typing LTD (Like to Do) would work if I remember what it means and I'm organizing an outline but when my mind is swamped or dead - whole thing falls apart. It's like I'm trying to memorize a template.
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Two steps don't really work.

Quoting a Hacker News comment on the link:

Devil's advocate here:

If I can trick a user into submitting their username and password on my site, I can send a request to Google using that username/password and trigger a message to the mobile application. The user continues with the flow, enters the code on my screen, and I now have access to their account, same as before.

I don't think 2-factor auth as proposed by Google is designed to prevent man-in-the-middle attacks: http://www.phonefact...n-the-middle-attacks
In order to prevent MITM, Google would need to have out-of-band verification (not just two tokens processed on the same band).

The benefit of Google's method is that a password can't be cached for later use, which reduces the window in which an account can be compromised.

Seems to be the same thing with the BlizzAuthenticator. Good idea, but I wouldn't use it. You gotta consider what happens if you loose your phone. You can't do any emergency calls and don't even have access to your saved phone numbers anymore. You're also locked out of your Gmail Account for god knows how long. I like my phone, but a little bit decentralizing can never be wrong :)

Personally I'm still waiting for a three-step system using image (not text) captcha to profiles to password + interval self-made sets of security questions for certain behaviours. (like there's a secret question if you go and access a certain site or delete/view/revisit a certain amount of e-mails)

The fallback system being that if a user has lost anything or been exposed to any middle of the man attack - they can shut down the attack using their uploaded .jpg/.png image as a key to the nuke and reset button.
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Preview:
http://www.thinkery.me/
http://www.surfulator.com/
https://chrome.googl...gjgoacppghmjhbombbnf
http://www.diigo.com/
http://www.goalscape.com/
https://chrome.googl...ohknifbiiknnkgjfbhoa
https://chrome.googl...mfkaieeeadojiibgbdp#

1. Search box and add:



From: http://www.thinkery.me/

When you think of web clippers and instant read it later add-ons, you either think of a program that bookmarks and then opens up a menu or something that bookmarks and doesn't show up anything at all and you have to go into the depths of the program to find an edit option.

Even browsers don't get it quite correctly. Google has a really bad native bookmark manager. Opera doesn't have a right click option. Firefox ehh... unless you are a tagger, it's easy again to just shut off your brain in organizing any bookmarks.

Basically most of the applications out there assume you want something buried entirely for later (collect) or process before you keep (rush your organization).

It's a minor tweak but it's a much more streamlined to process as you act.

2. Add it with Intention:

While some desktop programs have improved as far as power and options goes, setting aside the occasional "stock" tags or temporary storage folder -  Few programs still dare to integrate themselves into helping the user out.

Now this isn't without risk as it can alienate users away from the program if the intention is wrong - but if you consider how few non-cloud programs have browser extensions (I only know of Surfulator having it) then it's a case of most developers not considering it rather than avoiding it.

In DoItLater Alligator for Chrome if I add a memo in it's box, it turns my short notes into Google search links of my notes typed in.

Even better, if you don't add anything to the search box, it automatically adds the link of the page you are currently in and serves as a quick bookmark button

However Diigo one ups it with something even more powerful adding a search within a search feature in their Chrome extension:



You might say...well this is for web search. There's not a lot of fancy ways you can do this for desktop applications.

You would be wrong. In Goalscape for exampe, if you do a search for your keywords, the program would show a pop-up telling you whether your search is within the folder you are searching it in or if there's a word outside of the sub-folder that matches with your search keywords. (It will say "In out of focus goals".)

3. Less is more annoying than More

I could be perfectly wrong here since I didn't make any survey but I firmly believe that if you took the Linux Mint Update Manager and did a test for Windows balloon tips, more users will update their Mint distro than their Windows Operating System at a more recent rate.

Why is that? Because people don't like to click and even those who do like to click, rarely realize if they are postponing something in their reminders - they get used to tuning out those pop-ups and notifications.

This is including real time updates.

I have done more checking of blogs since using MyReminder for Chrome than I have in my entire time of using RSS Feeds and e-mail notifications and even page checkers.

 

Note that I may be the minority here but the reason I feel is because the way MyReminder works is that the notification message doesn't "hide" the note, it opens it. What notifies me instead is that little number besides the icon that annoys me to hell and makes me instantly click on it.

This isn't exclusive to that extension and alot of Chrome extensions do this but only a few gets it like MyReminder. Even DoItLater Alligator doesn't work because once you see that number 27, you tune out.

Same thing with e-mail inboxes and rss feeds. Same thing if a guy kept saying STOP! Eventually you treat it like a boy crying wolf.

However if a policeman gestures his hand to stop or you see a red stoplight - different stuff happens. You tend to stop more often.

Why is it then that programs often opt for alarms, for pop-ups, for longer annoyances? Because often times it's more information at a lesser click but the reality is we react more to sudden blinks then to static be it sound, color, sight and smell.

Alot of programs still underrate this. Not just for productivity.

Take spellcheckers. Everyone who's typed in a foreign language that isn't supported by a spellchecker often knows that posts become red underlines of hell.

Eventually you either drop the program or you ignore it and hence the spellchecker becomes a burden to be turned off completely. Why not have a middle of the line spellchecker? One that collects the misspelled words in your program and then occasionally would notify you at a certain interval (one or two words at a time) whether you want to add the word to the dictionary database?

I'm not saying replace the spellchecker. I'm saying have a yellow stoplight between the red (spellchecker off) and the green (spellchecker on).

4. Pop It Like It's Hot

For many users with Tabitis, the bane of browser tab overload has always been blamed on having a difficult time to organize the tabs or a difficult time to organize your bookmarks. Few people really asked to consider whether the problem is really in the category.

It makes sense if you think about it. When did most information overload explode? It exploded when people started using tags and tree folders to organize their data.

Even when GTD exploded, a bunch of guys basically ignored the innovation of the "context" popularized by David Allen in favor of GTD software with "stock" categories that merely followed the name GTD.

Then other people went the opposite road and copied the Inbox method of e-mails and creating a one click send to yourself e-mail folders that were more like read it laters and people loved it but it didn't really solve the problem, it just hid it for most unproductive people.

Again, it's really like a no-brainer. E-mail didn't sort things. It hid things. That's why there were many tips and tricks on how to organize your e-mail because e-mail is messy.



If the screenshot above is confusing, it works better than it looks.

What TooManyTabs for Chrome does is that it took a look at the category and not the organization of the tabs.

It didn't try to make tabs organized, it made tabs disorganized in a much better context.

It didn't try to make bookmarking better, it tried to make bookmarking humbler.

How did it do that?

If you enabled the custom columns in the options, you'll soon found out certain flaws in your folder naming that has been for the most part what led to your tabitis in the first place.

Let's start from the beginning: When you add tags to a Wikipedia article, what do you usually name it? One of them is at least the name wikipedia right?

Let's say you are limited to a folder, what do you name a set of bookmarks that you haven't read? You often name it by commonality. Even if you are drag and dropping while processing your notes. You name it based on Wikipedia. Based on research. Based on subject.

If you are organized all that works. If you are disorganized, you're creating a bibliography section of a book and that's not usually where your eyes want to look first.

You want content. You want context. You want the summary of the body of text you are reading.

That's why combining texts into one file like the recent link of Wikipedia's book creator can be awesome. Why? Because when you look back on it, you no longer have to rethink why you are reading those sets of files.

That is the power of Snap. It creates the illusion of lightweightedness making people opt for Chrome even though Opera was always able to handle more files at a more lightweight manner way way before that. It makes tickler files work because it's not about putting where and how. It's about dropping and popping.

That in turn makes bookmark organization more humble. You want something accessible but easy to pick apart just the same. Not easy to organize.

I know this interface is not going to be for everyone or most people (like how people preferred ReadItLater over Taboo for Firefox) but hopefully the idea of less clicks will still be easy to understand once you tried the software. Yes, the delete key is right in front of our fingers but "drag and drop" and "open, close, then edit" is very unnatural to the human brain especially when overloaded with information.

You don't open and then close a box before you punch through the cardboard and choose which is the fruit you want to eat at that time.

...and as much as the IPad has popularized the coolness of finger pointing, when you are overloaded with information - you don't grab a paper notebook or even your IPAD and slide it across the desk as if you were drag and dropping a file in order to put it closer to your other important items. You pick it up and you know it doesn't clone itself until you choose to "delete" the clone of that IPAD (although it would be kind of nice to have two IPADs but even with cloning, if everything clones itself, we'd have an even bigger waste problem.)
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Living Room / Where Twitter Trends Really Come From (Mashable)
« Last post by Paul Keith on February 15, 2011, 07:44 PM »
HP discovered that Twitter’s Trending Topics algorithm cares more about the specific subject and reach of a tweet than who tweets it or how often it’s tweeted. Around 31% of trending topics are retweets. More importantly, 72% of those retweets come from mainstream media outlet like @cnnbrk or @nytimes. The Telegraph, ESPN, @breakingnews and The Huffington Post all made the list of top retweeted users in at least 50 different trending topics.

“What proves to be more important in determining trends is the retweets by other users, which is more related to the content that is being shared than the attributes of the users,” HP concludes in its research report. “Furthermore, we found that the content that trended was largely news from traditional media sources, which are then amplified by repeated retweets on Twitter to generate trends.”

Tweets from “influencers” have little effect on trending topics. Instead, trending topics often come from news stories tweeted from major news outlets. HP concludes that traditional media still starts the conversation around the most-discussed topics in social media, not the other way around.

HP’s researchers (led by HP Senior Fellow Bernardo Huberman) also analyzed the factors impacting the length of a trending topic on Twitter. It found that the very few trending topics stay at the top longer than 40 minutes. “We showed that the distribution of long-time trends is predictable, as is as the total number of tweets and their growth over time,” Huberman said in the company’s blog post.

We’ve embedded HP’s report so you can check out the company’s methodology and mathematics. Let us know what you think of its research in the comments.

Embedded document in source
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Site can insure that every user has a strong password -- this eliminates the very real world attacks where people's passwords are guessed because they are too simple.

Most people would just change it to something simpler. Bad habit but convenience > theoretical security.

Plus it is perceived as more like an unlocked code.

While you can write code to insist on strong passwords, you cant stop the very real and most dangerous kind of real world attack, which is where people use the same login and password on multiple sites.  This is one of the most serious ways that security is breached in the real world and we've talked about it in the past on the forum.

Most popular sites tend to do the opposite now. Allow for Twitter, Facebook and Google logins. (if they have no OpenID)

Let those sites be attacked and hacked first. Chances are if that happens - there would be a universal pattern of behaviour as opposed to an isolated case where one forum is manipulated at times.

Users dont have to come up with passwords and remember them -- so registration is simpler, less error prone, and they have their password mailed to them which means they can always find it later if they forget it (another real world problem that happens frequently).

Again, one user account logins work better. They still have to remember their e-mails which is...well worse than at least knowing the e-mail and the site could be separate. Personally in this day and age, outside of spam, I don't even get why e-mail activation is beneficial to the user now that there are password managers in browsers.
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user arrives on a web page -> they read the headlines, look at images -> they decide that the software may solve their problem -> they download the tool -> they use the tool -> they are amazed -> they keep using it and being amazed long enough -> they donate

This is true but a little bit deceptive. (and it quickly skips to the donate part)

Often times what happens instead is:

user finds an article about the software (usually through a blog) -> they head to the download link -> if it's a confusing software, they read the FAQ -> they try the software -> they stick with the software -> Over time they become so invested to the software that sometimes they'll treat donations as a thank you note -> they then start reading more about the software including checking out the site -> if they read that the developer has financial troubles, it's only then that they go en masse to donate -> author thanks them -> everything goes back to normal -> if author doesn't have a blog, author rarely ever raises that amount of interest in donations again -> author ends up leaving that software alone to move on to greener pastures or an alternative software -> cycle re-repeats itself

I think you're missing the point there.

My reasoning starts from a "blank slate" and assumes that there needs to be some motivation to take action. In this case, the action is opening things up.

If you're not doing anything bad, why would this ever occur to you other than as I stated, purely for interest sake. I was explicit about that:

I have NEVER opened anything up for any other reason. (See below.)

And I absolutely do not have any motivation to be less transparent. Go ahead and download all my software, scan it, and see that there is nothing malicious there.

No, not really. My statement can also start from a "blank state". Part of the confusion probably stems from you trying to reply to 40hz and since we (40hz and I) don't hold the same views, it can seem like I'm missing the point.

But another problem here is the merging gap between open source and freeware. Which is why even though I already know open source does not equal freeware before 40hz replied to my post, I mentioned it. Sure it's transparency but part of the clue lies in your reactive statement:

I have NEVER opened anything up for any other reason

This is as blurry as thinking honesty is not a default standard to be followed even if you're an evil marketing bastard of a developer and it becomes blurrier if you treat the discussion of transparency as some sort of key rather than a standard for success.

Which is even blurrier because we all haven't agreed what success is.

Which becomes a hole Alice can fall in because there's a good chance some of us are thinking in the context of freeware as business. (which would make it no different than how to sell professional software - which is not always true)

Then it swerves into a large door of virtues, morality and necessity. 40hz speaks more from morality. mouser's comment about a key speaks more towards the ideal effects of virtue. I write more from a perspective of necessity regardless of morality. Your comments speaks more towards the right to do something including the right to NOT do something.

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Why would it be a requirement? I can only see suspicion as the motivation.

No offense (and sorry for butting in) but perhaps that stems from your own suspicion motivating you to be less transparent?

In that case then being less open would still be motivated by suspicion.

And according to you it's a burdened concept to be motivated by suspicion. So in the end, both spectrums, are burdened concept.

As a tool to sway suspicion, being open has 2 primary cases:

* The author is malicious and needs to convince visitors
* The author lives in a world where much is malicious, and needs to cut through the suspicion caused by malicious authors

3rd primary case. People just want to know what they are getting. They want to know if they can become a fan of your product and you wouldn't screw them. They want to know if the developer is willing to disclose say... bugs that may turn people away from their product.

In turn, the more transparent a developer is, the more he gets in touch with the dilemma his users are having with his program be it bugs, confusing interface, self-bias resulting to poorer design. All which in turn leads to a developer being more incentivized to create a product that he is proud to share and show to his users which in turn leads to more transparency as then the developer would be more proud to showcase his hard work. Generically speaking of course.

For openers, there were no core groups of elitists that had any influence worth mentioning since the BBS world was not as connected as the web is today. So while you may have had some sort of "wonk" status on a local BBS or in a mega-portal discussion group over at Compuserve or Delphi - it was still a far cry from the amount of clout a blogger might garner today.

As you said, it was not as connected so I had assumed elitists need not require core groups. Even today one or two bloggers can be good enough to start a twitter trend of discussions.

BBS systems were local out of necessity because you accessed them via a dial-up POTS connection. So if you didn't want to go broke paying toll or long-distance charges, you restricted your online presence to boards that could be reached via your local phone exchange.

From the few tidbits I read, this didn't stop cultures from developing. The proverbial internet tough guy moniker for example started out being a local issue of a guy going to another guy's house to fight with him.

P.S. Thanks for the links.
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Draw what conclusions from those two pictures you will.

It's time for a better pair of trousers?
-cranioscopical (February 14, 2011, 05:21 PM)

Oh man cranioscopal, now you have me thinking about those pics.

It has to be said though that the wider stance by the younger is best suited for the younger and the tighter stance is best suited for the veteran. Think athletes like Jordan and Kobe who adopted a tighter way of playing as their athletic ability dwindle down.

Still man...from freeware to Miyamoto...this thread has indeed gone a long way.
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Living Room / Re: DC Front Page
« Last post by Paul Keith on February 14, 2011, 05:29 PM »
Yeah, it's a cover flow but it was more like it's the only choice available in the trial of Balsamiq Mock-ups that isn't a static page besides a big huge center video. (that I know at least functions in reality)

I personally wanted to add something I haven't seen before like an interactive Circle Dock but I don't know if that's something that would load and look just as good in a web page.

The list though, I hadn't thought of it functioning like a control for the cover flow. When I made that, I was thinking something more like those mini-rss feeds with sub-headers that show the latest threads in the forum.
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Living Room / Re: DC Front Page
« Last post by Paul Keith on February 14, 2011, 04:39 PM »
mockup.png

Not saying this should be how DC looks (color scheme and forum scheme seems too radical a jump) but this is how I perceive the generic landing page should be.

Edit: err...by color scheme, I don't mean white but more like DC's look doesn't really match with the flashiness of most sites with cover flow
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I still think they key is being honest with your users.

I disagree. Marketed freeware or otherwise, this should and is the standard because no one will want to participate in dishonest software once they found out. Mostly idiotic big businesses or developers who don't know what they are doing do this and in an age of social networks, it is success suicide to not even abide by this.

Freeware is a buzzword now. I dare to say that simply making a good utility and throwing it into the cloud would not work like it worked 15 years ago. Current tools need online presence - at least a web page, but a blog and a forum is almost a must. They may even need a big marketing campaign (Chrome) to succeed. When we refuse to do the non-coding stuff, the chance of success are slim.

That's close to what I mean.

Not as far as my memory serves.

There was quite a bit of professional and bloody useful freeware out back then. Most of the bulletin board world (harbingers of today's web) ran on freeware.

Indeed, it was almost a truism back then that freeware and shareware offerings were far better choices than their commercial counterparts - when there even were commercial counterparts.

Like vlastimil's quote above, I'm not so much saying freeware was crappy then as much as it was perceived as crapware.

I wasn't around at the time though so I might be wrong. My impression was that bulletin boards were so disjointed and small back then that it was easy for a small group of elitists to have their say on what good freeware was but they were mostly the same guys who reject talks regarding usability, regarding design, and it was more of a "at least you are getting something functional for free and how dare you question this developer's hard work" and it was mostly shareware who tried to do more of the quality software. In fact if I'm not mistaken, part of why Linux in the beginning got so much hype, was because Linux was close to the only great freeware around. Not that the kernel wasn't worth talking about on it's own but that it was the first time something free managed to come close to the quality and power of a professional software.

There's no reason at all to be up front about what you are doing and why. Very few people do that. It doesn't make them dishonest.

If you're not doing anything wrong, not tricking people, not installing malware, then there's nothing wrong with not revealing your motivations.

Not so much wrong as much as it's an ineffective way of developing successful software and you are killing the ease by which your users can give you feedback and the motivation for them to donate to you.

But I digress, I'm shifting the topic away from dishonesty because like I said prior, honesty can be easily faked. Not being up front however is just symptoms of a poor design waiting to happen which would only lead to a poorer updated software.

I would like to emphasize however that I believe being up front is different from being open or showing your dirty laundry as in the corporate world that's how it's often perceived. Examples like what 40hz are just basic customer service.

I'm just curious about how well it works practice.

Because while it seems to be working very well here, I'm sure most of us would also qualify that by pointing out just how unique (or perhaps totally unique) DC is. If you don't believe it, just look at the results of the last fundraiser. I've never known any fund drive that got double their target before I saw it happen here.

But websites are websites and software is software. So I'm also curious how donations made to a website compare to donations made to software authors. Without meaning to pry (so no specifics please) is there anybody, whose portfolio of software is earning a them even a modest wage purely from donations? By wage I mean it would be equivalent to what you might earn from an unskilled part-time job.

Please somebody say "yes."

You have no idea how much I want to believe this concept can work.

Again from Freedom came Elegance: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1647

Oh and this is just another example of why up front and honesty are the standard. It's not mega million oh my god spam PPC money but if you take into account size of staff/speed of user base growth/age of software - it's pretty impressive. Easy to excuse this though as "well...it doesn't work for smaller freeware" but that's how it always is with marketing. It's isn't as good in debates as it is in real life.

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Oh darn, I'm probably going to anger lots of you here but to hell with it: I'm feeling talkative.

Back then, wasn't freeware perceived as crapware?

...and before you guys think this is off-topic or deliberately flammatory, I think it's worth looking at it through those lenses because one could say freeware has evolved a long way and thus it brings up the concept of success as not just being a situational criteria but a generational one too.
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Thanks IainB, I got most of that except for Heaven's Gate? What is it?

Over here marketing is still taught that way and I think it's just easier to sell it as creative BS because of more modern metrics and easier ways to just hype it and slick it up and fans will eat it while at the same time turning the products' fans into covert multilevel marketers. (That said I have no degree so I often don't know the specific words and I often end up doing mostly the same and trying to come up with modified terms like covert MLMers)
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Living Room / Re: DC Front Page
« Last post by Paul Keith on February 14, 2011, 08:10 AM »
I don't know mouser. Personally I feel your on the right track but the whole quiz forms wouldn't really jive with me if this were my first time here.

Not only does it make me feel like an idiot but slideshows while cool can often defeat the point of a single idea and the way you're describing it - it feels like I need way more thinking compared to the current page.
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See the difference?

I walked away very much liking these people because they were refreshingly honest about why they were offering a no-charge version of their product in return for my consideration of making a purchase, providing them with my feedback and suggestions, and helping them with word of mouth advertising.

Notice how they actually asked for a lot more than just money, but still managed not to be offensive or appear manipulative?

Contrast that with the occasional self-righteous and slightly hurt tone some developers adopt to shame somebody into paying for something they were told was supposed to be free.

If you want to get paid - say so. And require it.

If you're offering something at no charge - say so. And be up front about why.

You'll discover people will respect you for that (and possibly go along with what you want) far more readily than they'll allow you to shame or otherwise coerce them into doing something.

It's a simple matter of being honest.

Always the best policy with yourself and others.

I think the problem with this assumption is that it can't be a marketing strategy when in reality it can.

Marketing basically means doing everything that works so yeah, you'll get one or two or maybe even a hundred who'll be honest but for every hundred who have success, the next few hundred will be faking it just to get that success.

Meanwhile it's history repeating all over again. The more people do this, the more people tune out. Eventually people become cynical of the method and you're back to the start.

Copying is not cheap alone as far as mimicking design, most people who aim to profit often profit because they mimick good will too. In life, the sociopath err...rather the social engineer has the most incentive to maximize the effects of good will via faking it.

It hasn't happened to software in such a drastic manner but again look at how maintained even means. Maintain and nursed could mean "until I'm satisfied even though I'm not going to listen to other users' demands until another product actually proves me wrong" or it could mean "go open source abandonware" or it could mean "maintained as in eventually when I one day put the program on hiatus - you'll move on and I'll move on and unless my freeware is popular no one in the future will have an easy time finding it because I'm only maintaining and nursing the software, not the elements surrounding the software"

Frankly I'm much more scared about this vibe that marketing and monetization are the same. You're never going to maximize usability if you're not into marketing or not trying to maximize marketing and it has screwed many software users/software developers from the likes of Opera to such small applications that are one of a kind like NANY Tree List.

Even here in DC, mouser's not a stranger to marketing donationware and yet it takes a member posting a complaint about DC's homepage lay-out to get the ball rolling on a discussion about the frontpage even though I remember DC's lay-out being that way for so long, it's almost a classic look.

This is why Linux Mint's tagline get to me: "From Freedom came Elegance"

There may be a risk of looking too much into the difference of freeware and instead of finding success, we find how the open source community became full of elitists.

On the flipside, if I have to guess, elite dedicated freeware authors have some of the best times with programming things as they are able to see the fruits of their labor maximized to the best of their ideas. It's probably like the feeling you get when you've been around the world or climbed Mt. Everest or been to the moon.

Lesser freeware authors may work on micro-apps and tried monetizing it but you've actually made a software where people want to pay you for something you are offering for free because it's beyond kickass.
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though I'd be interested to find out how you build a business based on freeware

Through marketing but hey, it's just my own silly idea and I have no way of proving it one way or another. :P

With respect to the definition of success it seems there is only one that matters, and that's yours.  At the end of the day it can be successful in any number of ways, but if they're not what you were hoping for then by your own measure it won't be successful.

That's very Zen-like but I think ambitious materialistic users (and programmers) far outweigh Lao Tzu followers in tech forums.  :-[

I can't comment on the relative worth of 'marketing strategies' but it's clearly in your best interest to post about it somewhere that it's likely to get some credible exposure.  Having said that I'm firmly of the belief that word of mouth is the best advertising you can get, though getting this rolling without spamming people can be difficult

Well, that's the relative worth of marketing strategy. The smart developer who wants to sell their freeware as a business would definitely try contacting the major blogs and getting them to know your software.

Technically it's not spamming if you get other people to spam your software. It's not going to convert into dollar signs though but methinks if you don't end up with a community. Same problem with word of mouth. More mouths saying the Word and the Word becomes jumbled until the only word that's being spread is the Word of the freeware, not the necessity to donate. (See Christianity where it makes more sense to donate to the Pope than to feed the poor by convincing the Pope to sell the Vatican/rip-off from a joke made by Sarah Silverman)
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Living Room / Re: Wikipedia Book Creator
« Last post by Paul Keith on February 13, 2011, 11:27 PM »
Anyone know how to get this to work on Wikibooks? You know...that site with the actual less updated wiki contents where this feature would best be served.
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Living Room / Re: Newspaper Article: The Dirty Little Secrets of Search
« Last post by Paul Keith on February 13, 2011, 11:21 PM »
How do we revolt?! I don’t even want to try to list all the alternative search engines I have tried in a quest to get away from this kind of fraud! There just aren't any worth using presently - at least IMO.

The Revolution will not be Televised.  :P

On the flip side, if you're an avid bookmark addict, Diigo's Chrome Extension shows if you have bookmarks relevant to your search.

There's also a realtime Twitter search result for Firefox that integrates into Google searches.

...and of course there's DuckDuckGo and the ever changing search engine Yippy.

Of course true revolution comes from social not web service. Not sure if there's a Facebook Page for that.

Edit: Forgot about this: https://chrome.googl...jbckmoknagndlhjbeohb

Now this is more like a true revolution. Too bad the rest of the internet/browser users suffer.

Edit #2:

Actually I was thinking about this but I got reminded by that link from another blog:

https://chrome.googl...djlojjamonklladcijim
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Free software has nothing intrinsically to do with open source software. Open source refers to the philosophy and practice of making source code available. Open source software may be licensed in a variety of ways including proprietary restricted. It can also be fully protected by patent or copyright. And just because source code might be available doesn't mean you can obtain a copy at no charge. There are several open source products that you need to buy in order to use in any capacity.

Repeat 10 times: open source is not a synonym for free.

Oh sorry. I didn't mean it that way.

I was referring only to your post:

To my way of thinking, something that is truly freeware was created for no reason other than the satisfaction and pleasure of doing it; and was released for no other reason than the desire to get it out where it could be used.

That's the definition of source code sharing right there. Also, that's not really the open source philosophy. More like the open source dogma/mantra/mandate.

The philosophy is more akin to your first sentence:

something that is truly freeware was created for no reason other than the satisfaction and pleasure of doing it

i.e. the philosophy of gratis rather than just libre.

By "released" I meant exactly what the dictionary definition means by "release" when it's used as a verb.  I'm not using the word in the software industry sense as a noun. Try not to read too much into it. If you'd prefer a different word, feel free to substitute.

Yeah... sorry about that. My use of the word release only makes sense if we understood each other regarding open source.

It's not the wording that's the problem. It's the whole "release in open source" vs. "release as something people would use". Hope that makes more sense.

P.S. I also meant exactly how it's used in the dictionary when used as a verb  - just more in the "let go" emphasis per the open source philosophy ;)

The second example (free for free but...) isn't freeware either. It's a business marketing strategy. As such it's really more an advert or come-on. The fact it incorporates a piece of software is wholly incidental since its real function is to be a sales tool which gets you to buy something. In this respect, it's no different than offering a "free" t-shirt or product sample.

Err... not quite. Again going back to your statement:

was created for no reason other than the satisfaction and pleasure of doing it; and was released for no other reason than the desire to get it out where it could be used.

Also even with free T-shirts. There's a difference between "Yehey! Celebrate: Free T-Shirts for everyone for special occassion" and merchandising which again falls under business marketing strategy.

But let's omit the word "business" and bring another elephant in the room question:

Can freeware be successful with no marketing strategy?

or let me rephrase for the lucky software developers:

Can freeware continue to be successful with no marketing strategy?

Remember everything from putting your open source project on sourceforge or posting changelogs to your blog can count as a marketing strategy.

And...I'm gonna have to leave it here for a while. Just got a server alert that needs attending. Let's call it for now and pick up on the rest of your points later. Apologies.

Actually I'm busy too. No idea why I keep returning to DC in quick intervals but yeah, later.
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