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Living Room / Re: Apple's Marketing Mindset
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2012, 11:55 AM »
But show them almost anything Apple related and their faces light up like it's Christmas morning.

Not this one ...

Yes. But you're unique and marvelous. And we cherish you for being that way.  ;D :Thmbsup:

(Maybe I should have qualified that a little better and said American women?  ;))
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Living Room / Re: Michigan Supreme Court Upholds Right to Insult Meter Maids
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2012, 10:24 AM »
@Tao - No. Glad you posted it. And it was their headline - not yours.

But it is a worthwhile case to read. And it's reflecting some of the pushback we're starting to see in official quarters over some of the constitutional abuses that were instituted following 9/11.

Things like this give me hope. Not everybody in government is blindly going along with the agenda of the hyper-patriot cabal.
 :Thmbsup:
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Living Room / Re: Apple's Marketing Mindset
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2012, 10:19 AM »
^ you sound like a man that's looking for trouble :D

Never had to look for it a day in my entire life. Trouble finds mequite easily. And whenever it wants to. ;D :Thmbsup:


so,
Apple brings out the women in men ...  or something

Well..I guess they have to work with what's available. With all due respect, have you ever found much "man" to bring out in the average Apple fanboy ? (kidding, just kidding...:P

Ok. Maybe I am looking for trouble.
Hipster1.jpg   Hipster2.jpg

Hipster3.jpg

5529
Living Room / Re: The pleasure and possibilities of living a time-shifted life?
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2012, 09:48 AM »
I've seriously considered timeshifting my consumption of news.. Trying to make sense of the news of real-world events is incredibly inefficient, and so little of it has any immediate impact.  It seems like it would be so much more manageable and relaxing to read newspapers and watch news shows on a 1yr delay.


Just as long as you don't try that with the weather news. ;D

About the only thing I think I really need in real time is an air raid alert.

But not so much to take cover. More like to give me enough time to grab a bottle of Scotch, go drive to the nearest Ground Zero point, and offer up a final toast. (I would so not want to be a survivor following a nuclear attack.)
 ;)
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Living Room / Re: Michigan Supreme Court Upholds Right to Insult Meter Maids
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2012, 09:38 AM »
Actually, in true US fashion, the headline for that article is completely misleading.

Fortunately, the court decision (available in PDF and worth reading) is even more significant than the headline would have it seem.

First, here's what actually happened:

I. FACTS AND PROCEDURAL HISTORY

This case arises from a parking citation that defendant received when his car was
parked in an MSU parking structure. On the day the citation was issued, MSU parking
enforcement employee Ricardo Rego was working on campus. Defendant confronted
Rego and asked if Rego was the one who had issued the citation. Defendant was
shouting, which led Rego to believe that defendant was acting aggressively. Rego got
into his service vehicle and called the campus police.3 Approximately 10 to 15 minutes
passed before the police arrived. During that time, Rego sat in his service vehicle and
completed the process for having an adjacent vehicle towed, while defendant stood
outside the service vehicle and took pictures of Rego with a camera phone.

Defendant was charged with the misdemeanor offense of violating MSU
Ordinance, § 15.05.4 A district court jury convicted defendant of violating the ordinance.
On appeal, the circuit court reversed the conviction on the basis that the ordinance was
unconstitutionally overbroad on its face. The circuit court also granted defendant’s
motion brought pursuant to MCR 7.101(O) to tax costs against the prosecution.

Ok. So far, so good. University employee issues a parking violation and the person receiving it gets verbally abusive about it. University employee notifies campus police who show up 10 to 15 minutes later and arrest this guy who got ticketed because he is still verbally badgering and photographing the university employee who ticketed him, and generally behaving in a manner that the campus police have now deemed to be 'disruptive.'

Next the court gets into what they see as the legal and constitutional issues at stake:

II. STANDARD OF REVIEW

This Court reviews de novo questions of constitutional law. This Court presumes
that ordinances are constitutional, and the party challenging the validity of the ordinance
has the burden of proving a constitutional violation.

Ok. Important point here and something well worth remembering. The courts presume our regulators are acting in good faith when they draft laws and have given due regard to constitutional considerations when they did so. In short, if it's a law, there is a presumption it is both legal and constitutional until determined, by a court, to be otherwise.

So if you're going to challenge the constitutionality of something, it's your responsibility to make a case for it. The courts will not, on their own, wade in and arbitrarily state something is unconstitutional. You have to complain and bring a case before them. Courts only try cases. They do not act as an independent legal review board.

Lesson: Speak up and be willing to go the distance if you think your rights have been violated.

Next the court takes a look at relevant legal issues and precedents:

III. ANALYSIS

We first address whether MSU Ordinance, § 15.05 is facially unconstitutional.
When considering a “facial” challenge to the breadth of a law on First Amendment
grounds, this Court considers “not merely the sporadic abuse of power by the censor but
the pervasive threat inherent in its very existence that constitutes the danger to freedom of
discussion.”

Ok...so here the court says that in order to rule on the constitutional issue, this particular case has to go beyond the specific instance and show there is a broader threat to freedom by the existence of the law being challenged. If it's a one-off case of some police misinterpreting rules or abusing their powers, that's not sufficient to have the law itself ruled unconstitutional.

Lesson: The challenge has to be for an abuse that goes beyond the specific incident cited in the case. The courts realize that abuse of laws and power goes on all the time. But that alone is not enough to automatically raise a legal challenge up to the level of a constitutional issue.

Next comes more good stuff:

Before ruling that a law is unconstitutionally overbroad, this Court must determine
whether the law “reaches a substantial amount of constitutionally protected conduct.”
The United States Supreme Court has held that criminal statutes must be scrutinized with
particular care, and those that prohibit a substantial amount of constitutionally protected
conduct may be facially overbroad even if they have a legitimate application.

Here the court makes some very important points. The court needs to consider the breadth of the law in question to determine if 'broad' has crossed the line to become 'overbroad.' It also needs to determine if the allegedly overbroad wording is 'substantial' in the legal sense.

Next comes two very important and interesting points: (a) The US Supreme Court has gone on record as saying all criminal statutes must be "scrutinized with particular care" for obvious reasons. (b) Even if a law has a legitimate application (i.e. it's badly needed), that alone does not automatically make it constitutional.

Next comes a reality check:

However, “invalidating a law that in some of its applications is perfectly constitutional—
particularly a law directed at conduct so antisocial that it has been made criminal—has
obvious harmful effects.” Thus, a statute’s overbreadth must “be substantial, not only
in an absolute sense, but also relative to the statute’s plainly legitimate sweep.”

Here the court recognizes the other side of the issue. It's not good, or desirable, to willy-nilly invalidate a law that may have some constitutional niggles if its true aim is to prevent severely antisocial behaviors. So now it comes down to the original issue of just how big a real constitutional issue this specific legal case raises.

Next comes what is the real triumph of this case - the ruling.

First the Michigan court cited a key federal case that ruled on a similar incident (emphasis added):

In Hill, the United State Supreme Court considered the constitutionality of an
ordinance that made it unlawful to “in any manner oppose, molest, abuse or interrupt” a
police officer. The Court concluded at the outset that this language prohibited verbal interruptions and, therefore, implicated constitutionally protected speech under the First
Amendment. The Court first noted that the ordinance was not limited in any way to
fighting words or obscene language. Instead, the ordinance imposed a blanket
prohibition on speech that interrupts an officer in any manner. Expressly clarifying that
the Constitution prohibits making such speech a crime, the Court explained that “[t]he
freedom of individuals verbally to oppose or challenge police action without thereby
risking arrest is one of the principal characteristics by which we distinguish a free nation
from a police state.”
While the Court acknowledged the difficulty of drafting precise
laws, it reiterated that it would invalidate those laws “that provide the police with
unfettered discretion to arrest individuals for words or conduct that annoy or offend
them.”

Ok...lots of good stuff here. But the key take away is that the real problem is giving the police "unfettered discretion" to take action against people who annoy them. This is important because it goes right to the heart of US legal theory. The law should be the same everywhere - and enforced in an equal and impartial manner.

Situational discretion and judgement is the prerogative of the courts - not the police force. And simply pissing off a police officer is not in of itself a crime - an American attitude (and legal notion) that goes all the way back to the Boston Massacre.

(Historic note: all but two of the British soldiers that were tried by a colonial court for murder in the so-called "Boston Massacre" were acquitted. Only two were convicted of manslaughter - and only after it was determined they had willfully and irresponsibly "fired blindly into a crowd." Both received (for the time) very reduced sentences. The defense counsel for the British soldiers was none other than American uber-patriot John Adams. Apparently our earlier patriots had far more commitment to our legal principles than their modern counterparts do.)

Besides, as was implied by the Supreme Court, the US is not (or at least is not supposed to be) a police state.

Which brings us to the actual ruling in the Michigan case where the court reaffirms the legal reasoning in the federal Hill case.

The MSU ordinance prohibits disruptions but does not specify the types of
disruptions that are prohibited. Thus, the plain language of the ordinance allows its
enforcement for even verbal disruptions. Moreover, like the ordinance that the United
States Supreme Court invalidated in Hill, the verbal disruptions that the MSU ordinance
criminalizes are not limited to those containing fighting words or obscene language.
Instead, the MSU ordinance explicitly criminalizes any disruption of the normal activity
of persons or entities carrying out activities for or with MSU. Not only does the
ordinance fail to limit the types of disruptions that are prohibited, it also protects a much
broader class of individuals than the ordinance at issue in Hill. The plain language of this
ordinance allows it to be enforced against anyone who disrupts in any way anyone
carrying out any activity for or with MSU.
Like the ordinance in Hill, which was
“admittedly violated scores of times daily,” the MSU ordinance could be violated
numerous times throughout any given day given that there are seemingly infinite ways in
which someone might “disrupt” another who is engaged in an “activity” for or with
MSU. Thus, we believe that this ordinance, just like the ordinance in Hill, “criminalizes
a substantial amount of constitutionally protected speech . . .

Basically they've said that the particular law in question is overly broad and unconstitutional for a number of reasons - and go on to say that it more significantly allows the police unacceptably broad discretion in determining what constitutes a violation of the law, as well as when (and if) and against whom to enforce it.

Moreover, the distinction regarding whether an individual protected by the
ordinance has the power to arrest is an irrelevant one. An MSU student, for example,
enrolled in classes on campus is undoubtedly carrying out an activity with MSU and,
therefore, is protected by the ordinance. Nothing in the plain language of the ordinance
prevents a student who simply feels that he or she has been disrupted by the actions or
words of another person from seeking enforcement of this ordinance. Nor does the
ordinance language prevent a police officer from choosing to enforce the ordinance when
there is a complaint or simply when the officer witnesses somebody disrupting another
person’s activity. While not all protected individuals have the same power as a police
officer to arrest, the ordinance is nonetheless a criminal statute that subjects the violator
to a misdemeanor conviction and provides someone who does have the power to arrest
with the opportunity to do so whenever a protected individual is disrupted.
Accordingly, this ordinance can be said to “provide the police with unfettered discretion
to arrest individuals for words or conduct that annoy or offend them,” just as the
ordinance in Hill did.
Thus, like the unconstitutional ordinance in Hill, the MSU
ordinance is “susceptible of regular application to protected expression,” regardless of
whether the protected individual has the power to arrest

As you can see, this goes deeper and beyond having the right to "insult" a Meter Maid in Michigan. Especially considering you may not have the right to do that depending on how you choose to go about insulting one. "Fighting words" and physical intimidation are still considered illegal. Is flipping someone "the bird" a form of speech or an attempt at physical intimidation? And no mention was made of how photographing, or audio/video recording someone on your cellphone you're having an issue with might be interpreted.

But why not read the entire ruling? Fascinating stuff. It only runs 39 pages (double-spaced with footnotes). It includes a dissenting option which takes up 10 of those 39 pages and is also worth reading. Grab a copy here. It's 15 minutes reading/thinking time well spent.

 8)


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Living Room / Re: Apple's Marketing Mindset
« Last post by 40hz on August 07, 2012, 06:47 AM »
One thing I can say about Apple.

When dealing with most females: Show them something Windows related and they watch. Show them something Linux related and they'll sometimes become intrigued. But show them almost anything Apple related and their faces light up like it's Christmas morning.

Ok...a few more things:

     1) Women are NOT stupid.

     2) There are more women than men on this planet.

     3) Most women will live significantly longer than most men.

     4) And the population ratio of women to men is steadily increasing.

So...maybe Apple really is onto something - regardless of what their mindset may be. Or at least much more than Microsoft seems to be with that "don't try to fight it - you WILL do this" approach they're taking with their Windows 8 campaign.

Food for thought, I'm thinking - as I find myself keying this in on my iPhone. (*choke*)
5532
General Software Discussion / Re: Outlook.com
« Last post by 40hz on August 06, 2012, 09:12 PM »
I defy them to find relevant local ads where I live!!!

@Carol - "Not even Wensleydale?"  :P

W&G-Truckle72.jpg

 ;D
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Another option might be EssentialPIM.

Just an FYI. When I evaluated Essential PIM a few months ago I had it lose information that had been previously entered and saved to the calendar. Don't know if this was an anomaly or something specific to the machine I was running it on. But it spooked me enough that I removed it from further consideration after that happened. Which was a shame. It looked to be a very capable PIM. YMMV.
5534
Living Room / Re: Hidden Netflix Marathon Gems to Watch Online
« Last post by 40hz on August 06, 2012, 08:55 PM »
@SB - just in case you can't find it, here's that wonderful moment from A Scandal in Belgravia. It shouldn't spoil anything seeing it:



 ;)
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*Professional, at bottom, means you get paid for it.

I always though it meant you charged for it. Actually getting paid, in my experience, is a whole separate issue. :P
5536
Living Room / Re: Apple's Marketing Mindset
« Last post by 40hz on August 06, 2012, 07:59 PM »
And lets not forget this wonderful moment when Steve Sinofsky himself attempts to bluff and 'handwave' his way through a demo where his nifty Surface tablet keeps locking up.



Shades of Grouch0 Marx's classic line: "I'm talking fast folks - so please - keep up with me!"

Did Sinofsky really think nobody actually noticed?  ;D

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Living Room / Re: The pleasure and possibilities of living a time-shifted life?
« Last post by 40hz on August 06, 2012, 07:42 PM »
I'm a little like that with TV series. I'll wait for the entire season to be released on disk or via stream before I'll watch it.

24 was an interesting show concept that got spoiled by some schlocky TV-style writing and plotting. But if you watch each episode back to back and over a two or three day period, it hangs together much better than you'd expect.

The only problem I can see with time-shifting 'real time' things too much is it makes everything effectively 'virtual' - which I think has a bad effect on some people. Because once everything becomes somewhat unreal or 'less real' there's a risk of a damaging sense of alienation creeping into a person's mindset. At least from my experience with people who electively spend much of their lives in the metaverse and mostly removed from 'real world' sequential reality and causality.

Just my 2 anyway.
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Living Room / Re: Apple's Marketing Mindset
« Last post by 40hz on August 06, 2012, 07:28 PM »
Actually I think there is a much simpler mind set:
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Once again Carol nails it! ;D
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Living Room / Re: Apple's Marketing Mindset
« Last post by 40hz on August 06, 2012, 02:08 PM »
Apple = "Last week's technology, nicely packaged, and available today -  at tomorrow's prices." :P

Microsoft = "Trust us. We're much cheaper. And we'll get it right no later than the third try." :-\
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Living Room / Re: Hidden Netflix Marathon Gems to Watch Online
« Last post by 40hz on August 06, 2012, 01:57 PM »

I will have one point of criticism for this new modernized version of Holmes: they are both missing something.  i don't know what it is, but there's a quality to the books that doesn't seem to translate well to our hip societies.  

I think what they're missing is the bluster and naive arrogance of the Victorian era, when men were men, women were women, and English virtues were the only virtues worth owning. It had an aura of innocence and certainty that you can't recreate in a modern setting. Nor can you duplicate the romance that the imagery of a fog shrouded horse drawn London provided. Setting and the era  are at the heart of Sherlock Holmes appeal. Much like Jules Verne and H.G. Wells needed a less technologically sophisticated world in which to create their wonders and make them believable within that context. Steampunk is trying to get some of that back, but it's still only a pastiche no matter how skillfully it's done.

Anyway, a friend of mine recommended I watch the British Holmes version from the 80s, which is supposed to be very good and authentic (Jeremy Brett is Sherlock). Here's the amazon link.

If you are at all a Sherlock Holmes fan you must watch the Granada Television produced Sherlock Holmes series.

Watch all of them. Jeremy Brett is Doyle's Sherlock Holmes. His interpretation and performance is totally authentic. And with the exception of a misguided attempt to add in a few stories not written by Doyle, all episodes are uniformly excellent. Best of all, each episode is remarkably faithful to the original Canon. A must see!

 :Thmbsup:

I'll also suggest the Inspector Morse and the quasi-sequel Inspector Lewis series. Best thing to come out of BBC/PBS Mystery since Jeremy Brett's Sherlock Holmes performance. Convoluted mysteries set in and around the lovely scenery of Oxford University. Well worth getting into. Both series are available on Netflix. :Thmbsup:
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Living Room / Re: Happy Birthday C=64
« Last post by 40hz on August 06, 2012, 01:36 PM »
Can't remember the name of the game anymore, but I think it required 3 disks and you commander of a team of people. And you commanded a space vessel, you could board other vessels in space, battle in space, travel through solar systems, excavate planets for stuff to buy and sell, enter the planet's cities and houses, trade with the locals etc. Quite extensive, especially for that day and age.


Were you thinking of Frontier: Elite II by Konami/Gametek?
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Living Room / Re: Hidden Netflix Marathon Gems to Watch Online
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2012, 09:38 PM »
I'm partial to the modern British TV Sherlock Holmes series simply called Sherlock with Benedict Cumberbatch as Holmes and Martin Freeman as Watson. If you're a Holmes fan, or a Baker Street Irregular, you'll especially appreciate the way the writers have taken classics from "The Canon" and given them a very workmanlike update and modern twist. Una Stubbs plays a marvelous Mrs.Hudson ("Not your housekeeper, dear.") as does Andrew Scott as Jim Moriarty, an utterly twisted and psychotic modern interpretation of Holmes' arch-nemesis Professor Moriarty.

holmes.jpg

Favorite episode: A Scandal in Belgravia featuring actress Lara Pulver as a stunning and brilliantly understated Irene Adler (aka: "The Woman"), updated from an opera star and 'adventuress' in the original Doyle story (A Scandal in Bohemia) to a professional dominatrix in this modern telling.

adler1.jpg

There's a great moment when she informs Sherlock Holmes: "I would have you right here - on this table - until you begged for mercy twice." When the normally unflappable Holes replies that he never begs, she merely arches her eyebrows and says, "Twice."

Adler2.jpg

Watch it. It's a great series and now available for streaming on Netflix. :Thmbsup:
5543
Living Room / Re: Olympic coverage this year SUCKS!
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2012, 09:01 PM »
I'm boycotting the Olympics this year. I've had enough of the nonsense surrounding who gets to watch what, where, and when. To Aram's earlier comment, I too remember when the Olympics just used to be "on" before Los Angeles decided to go all out and blatantly make a huge buck off the games. Their historic success has since inspired far too many wannabe host countries to try to do the same.

Add in the embargoes on news coverage, score reporting, and even certain words already found in English dictionaries, and I've had my fill.

I wish the athletes the best of success, and hope their Olympic experience lives up to their expectations. They deserve it for the amount of time and personal effort they bring to the games. And I also personally hope London and all future hosts (the US included) merely break even  going forward - and fervently hope that NBC and all the other media vultures lose their shirts. That's the only way the Olympic Committee will ever get the message - when they can no longer play the ignorant, the egotistical, and the fools off against each other in order to line their own already bulging coffers.

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Living Room / Re: Hacked "hard" via the cloud.
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2012, 02:52 PM »
I found this part of Matt's blog account most interesting:

Update Three: I know how it was done now. Confirmed with both the hacker and Apple. It wasn’t password related. They got in via Apple tech support and some clever social engineering that let them bypass  security questions. Apple has my Macbook and is trying to recover the data.

The fact Apple now has his MacBook and is attempting to recover his data speaks volumes.

Guess that alone is enough to remove anybody's doubt Apple's Tech Support fell for some social engineering.

Which goes back to something Gerry Weinberg once observed: It's never a technical problem. It's always a "people" problem. And anytime you find something thats not, you need to check it again.
5545
Living Room / Re: Happy Birthday C=64
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2012, 02:27 PM »
I still have our Commodore 128D that can be started up in C64 mode.  Does that count for anything?  I also still have our Atari 130XE as well.  Both fully work and I still have working software on 5.25 floppies.

zaphod.jpg

Yes! It does. Great PC that little Frankenstein was. I named mine Zaphod Beeblebrox in honor of that dual CPU design.
5546
Living Room / Re: Happy Birthday TRS-80
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2012, 02:21 PM »
Edit: The Commodore 64 took over the TRS 80 thread. I'll leave the meaning of that to my betters.  8)

That's probably because:

  • I started the thread
  • I'm a C=64 fan
  • And I'm not above OT-ing my own topic!

I'm an equal opportunity rambler. :-[
 :Thmbsup:
5547
Living Room / Re: Happy Birthday TRS-80
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2012, 02:17 PM »
I still have a Tandy TRS80 color in the attic. Working order, comes with a couple of program cartridges instead of floppy discs. Pretty sure the only one I have that I know works is Chess.

The CoCo has its fans. There are people who collect them FWIW.

The 386SX is a yet another straight-up PC clone. Might be fun booting it up for old times sake. Especially if you have an old copy of Windows for Workgroups mothballed somewhere in  there with it. A few hours with that will make almost anything that followed look and feel positively inspired - with the possible exception of Millenium Edition and Metro. ;)
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Living Room / Re: Happy Birthday TRS-80
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2012, 02:12 PM »
@TP -  Well...all things are relative I suppose. Back when it was a toss up between spending some cash or spending a few hours of your time, the time option usually won out. ;D

Seriously though, it wasn't all that hard after you did it a few times. Kinda like the first time you assemble a PC from parts. It seems complicated, but it gets much easier after that first time.
5549
Living Room / Re: Happy Birthday TRS-80
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2012, 01:26 PM »
mine is the model I (which used a cassette player to save programs not a disk drive)
That damned cassette player!
I still recall the pain of huddling all night over a TRS 80, producing the worst kind of spaghetti code in order to beat a deadline. Finally, as dawn broke and before sending it to cassette, I just had to stretch and in so doing inadvertently kicked the power plug out of its socket.
Ouch!
-cranioscopical (August 05, 2012, 11:31 AM)

Ah Chris...you're bringing back memories. ;D Bad ones!

I always HATED this thing:

736px-Commodore-Datassette.jpg

I had the same thing happen to me once with my C=64 and a 1530 Datasette drive. 4 hours of assembly programming using HesMON down the tubes! Went out and bought the 1541 Floppy Drive unit the following weekend.

commodore_1541.jpg

Of course that drive had it's own problems if you too frequently loaded games off it. Electronic Arts and Origin games used deliberate bad sector/track tricks for copy protection. It used to cause the read/write heads to "slam"  themselves dozens of times while loading Seven Cities of Gold, M.U.L.E. or Ultima III. You could actually feel it vibrate the tabletop sometimes. (It was usually four or five minutes of: Takka-takka-takka-takka *grind* whip-zip-zip-zip *grind* - and then... abrupt silence! It was scary.) All that head banging caused major alignment problems after a while.

Half-ass recalibrating these drives wasn't difficult if you had: a screwdriver and a few other tools, a special 'calibration' floppy disk, and the matching utility software. (A 'real' calibration required the above plus an oscilloscope so it was always good to have a friend or family member who was also a ham radio operator living nearby.) It was sort of a C=64 power user's rite of passage doing one of these. You had to crack the drive case (and void your warranty) to do it. But it was no harder than setting the dwell on a pre-fuel injection automobile engine. A little practice and a light steady touch were all that were needed. Most of us left the drive cases unscrewed and only elastic banded together after doing a few of those.

Fun times! Sure don't miss them. ;D 8)
5550
Living Room / Re: Happy Birthday TRS-80
« Last post by 40hz on August 05, 2012, 11:25 AM »
Anyone ever use a PET?

Me! ;D (I'm a lot older than I look.)



Loved that trapezoidal monitor casing it had. Hated the little chicklet-ty keyboard, although it had a nice professional adding machine touch to it. Definitely more geared towards data entry functions than touch typing.  And at least the numeric entry pad was full sized. Looked something like a modern cash register. Saw one abandoned by the trash bins outside an old office building recently. I would have grabbed it except the monitor and insides had been smashed up. Quite recently too from the amount of glass all around it. Probably done by some passing kids who didn't realize what a collector's piece it was. *SIGH*

Used a DEC Rainbow too! That packed both a Z80 and an Intel 8080 chip in the same box. It could run CP/M 8 or 16, and also could be used as a straight data terminal too. I forget if it was VT-102 or just straight ANSI.

Commodore duped some of that design with their elegant C=128 which packed an 8502 plus a Z80 chip and allowed for three separate modes of operation: the traditional C=64, the jazzed-up C=128, and CP/M mode.
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