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Living Room / Re: Kitty break

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 21, 2008, 03:35 AM »

Man, I needed that!  Thanks! 

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Living Room / Re: A new paradigm as the ultimate defense

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 07:32 PM »

 
Seems like Cody should be properly attired and equipped for para-military operations?  Hey, nudone!  Does Cody have any cammos in his wardrobe?

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Living Room / Re: A new paradigm as the ultimate defense

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 05:09 PM »

Yes, yes, yes these are all good ideas, but they are all based on the preset technology, the present paradigm.

Maybe it would help if I framed this as a kind-of pretend game?  The only rules (parameters, really) as to what "your" picture/perception (invention?) should be like is the ability to connect it to some means of present technology as a link or a stepping stone.  Let me give you an idea on another technology.  I'll call it the "Plasma Drive."


First some baselines,

-=o=- Present memory is held in place due to electromagnetic forces held within a physical framework, eg., the "chip."

-=o=- Since the "chip" is a physically delineated entity, it is finite.

-=o=- Plasma is energy in flux and in disorder, but it is not limited by finite "physical" boundaries.

-=o=- Theoretically, the energy within the Plasma could be ordered via other external and stronger electromagnetic forces.

-=o=- If the above were true, then the particles in the Palsma or at least a region could be "defined."

-=o=- If Plasma regions could be "defined" then it could be possible to set these "regions" as bits, 1 or 0.

-=o=- If this could be done then a memory core could be "defined" as a 3-D "grid."

Now, with all tis as a foundation...

-=o=- With only technology limiting the defined "bits" and therefore quantity of memory, then the storage capability could approach infinite as technology allowed for ever greater precision of the "regions" in precise subdivisions.

-=o=- Voila` - the Plasma Drive that eventually can handle an EB of EBs in a "case" the size of a sugar cube!  Who knows, since the reions are no longer tied to a simple on-off state, perhaps each "bit" could become a "superbit" capable of having multiple states?  How powerful would that be!



Ok, granted, this is far-fetched to our perception today, but back then even Bill himself couldn't conceive of anything larger than 640K, right?

As we go forward with this "game," try to let go of all the present perceptions and see what your fertile minds can spawn.  I realize that this doesn't seem to have a connection with the present need (fall-back), but who knows if some far out idea might provoke a new way of using the present resources?

I hope this helps.

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 12:39 PM »

Let me be clear... I'm not apologizing for wrongs I did not commit.  I don't live in a world of PC (political Correctness) and I am not going to start here.  Wordzilla's actions were wrong and the forum's inaction toward him was wrong as well.  It left a void which I filled and as usual the forum didn't like the response.  This is nothing new.

I have written enough and any with ears to hear will hear and any that have eyes to see will see.  The rabid blind will continue to tear and rend that which their narrow bigotries are incapable of comprehending.

This thread is my protest.  My words are ended.

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Living Room / Re: A new paradigm as the ultimate defense

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 05:42 AM »

I don't know what you mean. Do you mean like a new kind of forum? Or having backup solutions?

-TucknDar (March 20, 2008, 05:16 AM)

I'm not really putting any kind of parameters on this right now.  Having conversed with you sometime back, I know that the area of your expertise is rife with methodical and worn-out models and your vision is to impact that sphere with some fresh ideas.  I'm kind of trying to provoke the same "fresh thinking" thing here so whether I'm suggesting a "new kind of forum" or "having backup solutions" I'll let you decide for now.  Explore either, both or something completely "out of the box." 

I only ask that all criticism, pessimism and gainsaying be stayed for a time to encourage germination of something yet undiscussed or perceived.  Responses I've received both public and private tells me that this discourse has merit.  I just hope the naysayers will restrain themselves.

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 05:08 AM »

I'm not the Mod, but perhaps it is better to restart this thread.  If you have positive input about the topic, please post in the new thread here.

Please refrain from criticism for a while to allow free reign to uninhibited thoughts and ideas.

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 04:48 AM »

You are both smart enough to see that you fail to communicate with each other. So why do you keep trying in this thread. Just let it be, both of you. You don't have to debunk anything when it's not on topic - so don't even try to. There is no point in threatening each other what you will do when both of you failed to behave.

Let me rephrase that: YOUR ARGUMENT IS A FAILURE SO STOP IT.

-housetier (March 20, 2008, 04:37 AM)

Your words too are also faulty.  Please explain two things...

-=o=- What did I do wrong?

-=o=- Where and who did I threaten?

You do wrong by making a homogenous statement blending two diametriaclly opposed intents rather than stating fact.

Please note, I'm not attempting to "pick a fight" with every kid on the block, but I will not be intimidated for standing for what is right.  If you had not posted an inaccuracy, I would not have replied.  My actions should not be construed as one-sided bigotry.  I can enter into even a friendly discourse with those that hold strongly opposing views if it is done without malice and vinegar, but if innuendos, ploys, manipulations, etc. present their ugly heads then those that attempt such things will find they will not do so unchallenged.  After two years I've had my fill of the subtle, social and even secretive few that attempt to pass off their bigotries with cuteness and pseudo-neutrality.  Just tonight, I received a PM communication expressing their grief at the events on this thread.  Not all here are critical of my rebuttal. 

Edits: For clarity

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Living Room / A new paradigm as the ultimate defense

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 04:09 AM »

On the heels of the attack against DC recently, I began to wonder if a different kind of thinking, a new paradigm shift might provide the ultimate defense against attack?  I really don't have my head around all that I'm thinking yet, but I wanted to ask if you erased the mechanics of DC and redrew it on a clean white sheet, what might it look like? 

I'll post later as the fog clears, but I wanted to provoke a discussion.

Please only post positive ideas at this juncture as there will be plenty of opportunity later to criticize.  I would like to let the creative juices flow for a while.

Thank you,
CodeTRUCJKER

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 04:03 AM »

As far as politics/religion I could care less because if anyone thinks the government runs this country is ignorant of history.  If you will do due diligence in researching a single topic to the point where the whole picture emerges you will understand my perspective.  There are others, but one will suffice: 
The Federal Reserve Bank.  While this is presently a privately-held American corporation (no, it is not a government entity) it and its global counterparts have global implications.  This isn't an opinion or a political view, it is fact.  Just do the math.

My apologies to all that have to endure this discourse, but as I said it does no service to others to let inaccuracies stand.  Also, my past efforts at righting wrongs via PM always left me with an unanswered letter as I attempted to hash out differences.  No, the time for silence has come to a close. 

To the leadership... Frankly, I'm fed up with an undercurrent of partiality in some cliques and intend to provoke an action of my permanent dismembership or hopefully see the errection of a standard that holds everyone to the same standard of conduct based on "who you know."  Further, it needs to be a matter of record and that would not be the case on IRC. Thusly, I post here.

I seriously hope that "I" am not being discussed on IRC without the courtesy of a PM informing me of an invite or what is being discussed.  If I am not, then you are to be commended.  If I am, you should be ashamed for it is gossip.  FWIW - I recently received a PM from a very prominent member inquiring of my communications with another member expressing their offense at the otherr member.  I returned a generic response befitting the situation.  I have tried to express before that I percieve a cancer proceeding at a glacial pace that will eventually consume our precious community if not checked.  No, no more hiding the ugly things under the rug.  If the leadership chooses to take action and I can't see that they cannot, then that action will set the tone for DC's future and either be Cody's salvation or destruction.  I realize that there is the power to cause this whole thing to evaporate by completely eliminating this thread and myself as a protagonist, but that would only ensure Cody's doom like the black hole that insures its own ultimate destruction as it dies in its own heat-death as it turns in upon itself in ever-accelerating cycles. 

From the outset at DC I have established myself as a man of integrity and truth, now you will see I am a man of courage.  Correct the wrongs in an honest way and I will silence my words.  Allow those that are culpabalis prit to go unanswered and I will answer.  So is DC going to be a place of partiality or a place of integrity? 

"Tempest in a teacup," some would say, but any that would dismiss this as such a trifle is blind to the gangrenous malady that is the real reason for such conflagrations.

Mouser, having an insight as to how this sort of thing vexes your heart, I am sorrowful that other avenues have not availed a solution, but I think I have a view of what your vision is and has always been for DC and it is for that vision that I enter into any fray undaunted in order to protect that which is held dear to both of us and others here.  Compatibility has always been an unanswered question.  You can't please everyone and you can't have your cake and eat it too.  I wish you wisdom in any action you may deem necessary, but for me, I'm through sitting on the fence.  DC is far too valuable.  

CodeTRUCKER:
You have made direct personal attacks against me publicly, well that's probably fine with me. I have no interest in more exchanges that might deeply upset folks here. But be warned that further attacks will be taken seriously.

-Wordzilla (March 20, 2008, 01:57 AM)

Wordzilla...

Once again you attempt to take the high ground by suggesting someone other than yourself was the instigator.  You shouild not look at my words as "personal attacks," but rather the discipline of a youth that thinks to highly of his place and has too great a confidence in his "buddies."  I'm persuaded that the leadership will not support you in your offenses, but I could be wrong.  C'est la vie.  I did not personally attack you, I specifically pointed out where you "Wordzilla," presumably a "Master of Words" chose innuendo and suggestion casting dispersions on another long-time member as a result of your error in associating my recognition of the goals of Grivitation as my condoning Gri's actions.  Sorry, you missed the target on that one.

As far as your "warning," You may have the power, but it will be an abuse of that power to protect your own personal interests that will nag you until you make it right and in the fleeting world of cyber-relations you may never have a chance to make it right.  I am 50 years old and I know whereof I speak.  To not be able to say "I'm sorry" to one that you will never be able to contact again makes for a cruel taskmaster.  Give thought to your actions.  Regardless, I will not be intimidated by your threat.  If you wish me to be silent, then choose actions congruent with integrity.  I have no grudge with you but, I am terribly disappointed in your actions.  I wish you no ill, but you should reckon carefully who you throw the gauntlet down in front of.  If I am banned, it will be an empty victory for you as others with integrity will rise to take my place.  There are others.

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 01:17 AM »

CodeTRUCKER: Imho mouser is a heart and a diamond for keeping this whole thing in place (I love how many different people are here, and on IRC we can do those topics that fit in here at all) , and beyond that - **** calling names etc. But Gri seems to get on the nerves of a lot of people.

-f0dder (March 20, 2008, 01:08 AM)

Granted.  I had anticipated a response, but not anywhere near this caustic.  In my defense, I know of no other initiative that sports a collective, distributed model which is why I used "Grivitation."  Also, I've always stated that Mouser is a cut above!  

Can we leave it at that, and return to friendly?

Yes, if the basis of the "friendly" is on a foundation of integrity and not favortism.  How "friendly" we can stay will depend on future postings to this thread and the responses to those, but I have no intention in allowing incorrect verbiage or innuendo to stand, not because I am anything, but it is a dis-service to future readers to allow innaccuracies to go unchallenged.  Besides it was the holding in of all my feelings about inequities in some threads that provoked me to take a decisive action some time ago.  I won't hold in anything that needs to be addressed any more.  It is not healthy for me or the community.

Edit: Clarifications

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 01:02 AM »

I dont' see what WordZilla is doing wrong, sorry. On the other hand I don't see Gri's stuf as an evil, but it has certainly been weird, spammy, mostly incomprehensible and out of place/space

-f0dder (March 20, 2008, 12:42 AM)

Oops, I forgot to enumerate...

-=o=-  Hijacking a thread with the injection of his own bitterness toward Gri.
-=o=-  Continuing to defend his position after being cited publicly by the leadership.
-=o=-  Using inflammatory words (remember he is "Wordzilla").  He knows what he is doing regardless of how innocent he wishes to appear.
-=o=-  Casting dispersions on the character of another long-time member.

How can this be defended?

I took a lot of bashing in the threaeds for various reasons.  If you will recall, some even defended me (not my actions) stating that the treatment was harsh.  At that time I chose to hold my tongue in an effort to let thoughts germinate and mature, but I no longer see this as a good course of action because it will kill what we have all been trying to nurture.  If the community is not willing to let the sauce for the goose also be the sausce for the gander, then hypocrisy will reign and cliques will form ruining any chance for a cohesive whole to ever emerge.

Edit: Further thoughts.

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 12:56 AM »

I dont' see what WordZilla is doing wrong, sorry. On the other hand I don't see Gri's stuf as an evil, but it has certainly been weird, spammy, mostly incomprehensible and out of place/space

-f0dder (March 20, 2008, 12:42 AM)

FYI -  I pre-wrote this because I did anticipate that someone would come to Wordzilla's rescue.  My question is why would you rescue him and not me?  You needn't worry about me losing sleep over this as I only used it as an example.  I'll give Mouser credit for confirming my remarks and a desire to get the thread back on track, but still others took up the mantle.  Where were you heroes when I was being repeatedly flamed in the "monster threads"?  This is what I was talking about when I stated "double-standard."  Again, I ask any thinking person, "How fair is that?"

Now, DC and others are a voluntary association and as such can form itself into anything it wants or is led to by the leadership.  I DO NOT ADVOCATE CORPORATE OR STRUCTURAL BEHAVIORIAL FORMATION BY LAW OR WRIT.  A voluntary association is a private entity to itself and autonomous in that regard.  I have no wish to force anyone to do anything and have no interest in implementing directives to manipulate a community.  A government run amok is the progenitor of these initiatives.  On the other hand, let's call a spade a spade, a heart a heart, a diamond a diamond and a club a club.  Let's refrain from the hypocrisy of criticizing one "outside the circle" in an effort to protect one "inside."  Yet, if this is the identity of the association, then I have no right to change it, but I do have a right and a duty to point out the injustice born of dishonesty and favortism, nay nepotism.   

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 12:37 AM »

... If you were cut off completely, WE don't need to do something...YOU do. And I am pretty sure you know what it is YOU need to do. 

-app103 (March 20, 2008, 12:15 AM)

Thank you for the sentiment, but I was not cut-off completely; however, it would appear that there are different circles of friends about.

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 20, 2008, 12:35 AM »

Andersen, WORDZILLA, or whatever, I'm sick and tired of your patronizing hidden agendas and intent to cast dispersions.  I find your last attempt completely reprehensible!  How dare you attempt to cast demeaning inferences on my character!!  In short KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!  Incidentally, you are the only one on DC that has ever received those kinds of thoughts from me ever.     Congratulations!  Why?  Because you attempt to pass off your inflammatory and fetid bigotries as casual banter peppered with cuteness.  If you were to have enough integrity to openly communicate rather than repeatedly use innuendo I would have more respect for your views, but since you continue to vomit out your putrid bitterness toward Gri undercover I find you unpalatable.  Further, it makes me wonder just how much of the conflict between you and Gri was only Gri?  If you have a problem with Gri, then GET OVER IT and grow up!  There will be many people that will rub you the wrong way all your life.  If you can't come to terms in yourself about Gri, I fear you have a tough road to hoe.

Mouser, enough is enough!  I have kept my peace and have bent over backward for two-years and will continue to do so, but when I see a double-standard I will no longer remain silent or restrained.  

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 19, 2008, 11:40 PM »

Let me try again, I'm not suggesting anything "official" or "coded."  What I am trying to provoke is some creative jucies as a new paradigm which would be immune from any intended/unintended disruption.  At least in my mind, I can conceive nefarious doings by large corporate (bigger than MS) entities that will have major disruptive impact.  What I'm trying to conceive is a methodology that will allow connectivity even in serious circumstances.  Imagine the way YOUR forum interractions/relationships work out mechanically on DC.  Now erase that picture from your mind and try to visualize a completely different image.

Simply, what would be that picture?

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 19, 2008, 10:59 PM »

the vision Mouser and I both share for DC.

-CodeTRUCKER (March 19, 2008, 10:43 PM)

Is this vision made public? Would love to know more about it.

-PhilB66 (March 19, 2008, 10:50 PM)

No public declaration needed.  The very tone of the DC community shouts loudly that a board can be a place where people of integrity, common courtesy and deference can co-exist with opposing views.  Oh yeah, it's also a place that proves you can be a geek and still be normal.

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 19, 2008, 10:43 PM »

I just don't want this topic to turn into another unnecessary flame war on this forum. Yes, I strongly object to Gri's ways of posting, it's v clear and there's no need to hide anything.

-Wordzilla (March 19, 2008, 09:45 PM)

If you didn't want to start a flame war, why did YOU start it?

I'm not trying to discredit the idea, thou. The very fact that u described this "Grivation-like" paradigm makes me believe that this is how it will run if implemented, i.e. "Forcing everyone to browse 10+ individual forums for individual "decentralized" posts." -- based on what we experienced with Gri's posts.

Whether you were "trying" to or not is irrelevant, you did!  Carrying a moniker like "Wordzilla" requires a stricter judgement when using words.  Your diction becomes circumspect and requires the utmost discretion when making choices about what words to use in expressing thought.  I'm not completely sure what a Global Moderator is or does here, but it seems to me that the insertion of personal biases and inflammatory remarks would certainly not be on the job description.  If you are a "Global Moderator" then "moderate," but leave the "parenting" to those with patriarchal and matriarchal lineage.  You don't need to protect anyone.  If for some reason you feel like you should interject your own personal biased deflections in someone else's thread, at least have the deference to remove "Global Moderator" from your labels as it gives a tone to the forums that is incongruous with the vision Mouser and I both share for DC.

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 19, 2008, 09:36 PM »

ps. It's probably wrong to believe that a person who behaves in weird ways must have some genius traits or high IQ that are above and beyond common people. More than often 'weird' just means mentally messed up, and is by no means a synonym of 'geeky'. 

-Wordzilla (March 19, 2008, 09:01 PM)

Galileo, Einstein, DaVinci, Columbus, Goddard, etc.

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 19, 2008, 09:29 PM »

Forcing everyone to browse 10+ individual forums for individual "decentralized" posts in order to get the whole of the thread borders on abuse.  

-Wordzilla (March 19, 2008, 09:14 PM)

Andersen, your animosity toward Gri is showing.  This would be ok, except that your posts don't address the subject, but rather attempt to discredit the idea due to some offense you still hold toward Gri.  That's personal.  Please keep it between you hand Gri or are you the "Post Police!"  I said nothing about "Forcing."  Your use of the word and your intent is obvious regardless of how many smileys you append it with!

For clarity, I am offended by what you have offered so far.   If you post further, please offer something appropriate to the intent.

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 19, 2008, 09:20 PM »

BTW, it already exists. In fact, it existed since pretty much the beginning of Internet time. It is a distributed system of messaging that has no central point of failure. It is called newsgroups. It appears some of you have forgotten your alt.internet.history.

-tinjaw (March 19, 2008, 09:11 PM)

I think I must have been deformed during my early (formative) Internet years...  I thought newsgroups were a place you went if you wanted to be maligned, insulted, criticised ripped to shreds for offering different views or a critical view?  Maybe I went to the alt.wrong.groups?

Kudos on the proper capitialization of "Internet."!

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 19, 2008, 09:12 PM »

... But I think I see the essence of CodeTRUCKER's point. Grivitations very likely isn't the solution. But some distributed forum type sounds like an interesting idea... but also like a LOT of coding (and a problem is that you'd probably set up the distributed hosts equally, thus if one was hacked, the others would be, too)

-f0dder (March 19, 2008, 09:02 PM)

My vision is not one based on "coding," but on a user-implemented paradigm shift toward expanding experience with links back and forth across diferent boards, i.e., having a link to my "Coding Monkeys" user account.  See what I mean?

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Living Room / Re: "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 19, 2008, 08:53 PM »

You missed the point.

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General Software Discussion / Re: What’s this "Linux" thing and why should i try it?

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 19, 2008, 08:51 PM »

Face it, Folks... Bill trained us all real good!  If Henry Bergunstmmer had invented "Strom" and managed to outdo Bill on the marketing thing we'd all be arguing why "Strom" was so good! 

For me, when the MS corporate types decided to make a unilateral decision which impacted millions of developers and billions of users I said, "That's it!"  I have been going through a series of painful surgeries to have Microsoft removed from my inner ganglia.  Don't get me wrong, I like the software and the IDEs associated with MS, but the direction Bill and the Gang are going doesn't make me sleep real well at night.  So, I'm on a quest to go totally...

Cross-Platform/Open Source.

Just imagine where C-P/OS would be today if we had invested billions in those efforts?  Personally, when I find a good app that shows the developer(s) really used there noodles I don't just send a "couple 'o bucks," but rather an amount equal to what I would have spent on "commercial" offerings.  That reminds me, I forgot to send some money to a developer.  Glad you reminded me! 

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Official Announcements / Re: The site is now back online (March 6th, 2008) - Come Say Hello!

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 19, 2008, 08:16 PM »

FIrst off... a big Thank you! to the Staff!  DC was missed.

Secondly... I would like to touch on (ever so delicately) the "pain" felt by the absence of DC on our browsers.  Now... I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest nor do I want to hijack this thread... in fact, I won't see the thread here!

again to the DC Staff!

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Living Room / "Grivitation-like" paradigm would have helped in the interim

« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on March 19, 2008, 08:13 PM »

Hello All,

I would like to touch on (ever so delicately) the "pain" felt by the absence of DC on our browsers while the DC-Team was working their tails off.  Now... I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest nor do I want to cause a big ruckus about Gri and "Grivitation," but it is only fair that this be addressed, given how Gri has been made the butt-end of some chuckles and guffaws on DC at times.   Ironically, if Gri were watching the latest goings-ons he might have had the last laugh.

Regardless of what you think of Gri and his weird (to the western world) style of communication, *IF* we had somehow adopted at least a tolerant mindset and tried to understand "Grivitation" the loss of connection with each other during the loss of the forums would have been non-existent and an antidote to "withdrawal" that so many expressed.

I'm not smart enough to understand all of the mechanics of Grivitation, but I do understand that it is a methodology whereby communication and thereby relationships (read: DC Community) are not restricted to a single conduit and therfore NOT vulnerable to injuries caused by attack/damage of the recent sort.  As I said, I'm not smart enough to understand the way Grivitation works in the nitty-gritty (perhaps Gri does?), but the real fix is not a new server, but a new paradigm.  As long as our connections/communications/relationships are sequestered to a single interface vulnerability cannot be eliminated.  The stronger you make a fortress, the greater the destruction *when* (not *if*) it is finally compromised.

I don't have the answer (yet?), but there are a lot of bright, creative and intuitive folks around these parts.  A Grivitation-like paradigm has additional benefit, but I think I've said enough.

FYI - This is not a note in support of Gri or an attempt to condone his actions/inactions.  If you have comments about Gri, please take it to another thread.  This is an attempt to suggest we might think "outside the box" (maybe we need a whole new box) in regard to "forum" structure and interraction.

Something to think about...

CodeTRUCKER

Edit:  Edited subject and body for clarity