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General Software Discussion / Re: Google+
« Last post by JavaJones on June 30, 2011, 02:35 AM »
Dunno about an API but I assume that will come.

PM me your Gmail address and I'll see if my invite trick still works (got 3 people in earlier today). :D

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Google+
« Last post by JavaJones on June 30, 2011, 02:10 AM »
Well, it's official. I am PLUSSED. Wooo! They're not officially allowing people to invite anyone they want yet (I got the same message Deo, thought I could invite that way but no). BUT I do believe I've found a loop hole that lets me invite as many people as I want (until they close it, heh). So PM me if you want an invite.

What's that? You want to know what I think of Google+ so far? It rocks! Yes, there are some rough edges, yes some things don't work all of the time. But the things they are doing are either an improvement over Facebook (Circles), a totally new and potentially interesting feature (Sparks), or something Facebook doesn't have and may potentially be a "big deal" (Hangouts).

There are 4 main tabs/buttons to the primary UI. First is Home, this is basically like FB's home, including the stream of what your circles are sharing (like FB's "wall", of course), as well as controls and tools like stream selection, Spark links, Chat, Hangout, Contact Suggestions (suggestions from inside your own contacts as far as I can tell, but maybe later like FB's "do you know this person?"), and a people search bar.

Next is photos, which get top billing as one of these 4 buttons. Here you see photos from your circles (they also seem to show up in the Streams), photos from your phone, photos *of* you (face tagging is of course available, with one critical difference: you can control who is allowed to tag you without explicit confirmation), and "your albums" which are your Picasa albums. Google has a nice photo system in Picasa, so this is a great thing to get integrated. They've come up with a decent UI for browsing photos too, although sharing settings are not entirely clear yet (there's no explicit "share this photo" that I can see, although you can share whole albums; but if you make a comment on a photo it posts the photo and comment to your wall, so it's basically sharing it). You can also upload new photos. The photo viewing and commenting experience is definitely an improvement over FB (unsurprisingly as Picasa has been around for ages and is fairly mature).

Then there is a Profile link/tab. This kind of surprised me. My profile is actually somewhat barren at present. It shows my photo and my activity stream, like looking at your own profile and wall on FB, and there are additional tabs for About, Photos, Videos, +1's, and Buzz. This is in fact the only place I have seen Buzz, and it's interesting that it's still around and being semi-integrated into G+. But I would expect it to be a major tab/button up top if they actually intended to keep it. Otherwise one wonders how it differs from +1 and posts to the Stream(s). A nice touch is you can click on a button to easily and quickly view your profile as *anyone* in your contact list or as a general anonymous web surfer, so you can check to make sure your privacy settings are working very fast. Also nothing (or almost nothing) appears to be public by default, i.e. I click to view as the public web and nothing shows up in my Stream. When you click to Edit your profile, you just point and click on any part of your profile to edit it, including adding photos, links, places you've lived, personal description, etc, etc.

Last but not least is the Circles button/tab. Circles are exactly what you've heard, they're groups you can use to categorize your friends and enable sharing of specific content with specific groups extremely easily (or, seen the other way, they enable you to easily *avoid* sharing content with specific groups, e.g. the general public). They've made the Circle-making UI fun and this helps a lot in wanting to make your circles. It's also powerful, you can multi-select, drag-select, etc. so you can easily deal with hundreds of contacts, and it's all drag-and-drop with nifty animations. This functionality is definitely a big step over Facebook (and yes I've tried FB's "Groups" system). You can add people to multiple Circles, share with 1 or multiple circles, all your circles, or the public. It's a nicely flexible system that is also easy and fun to use. This to me is a big win. I know it's not as important to many other people as it is to me, but this is a "killer feature" that I have been waiting and wishing for. Once nice touch is you can easily control people's Circle membership from almost anywhere you see their profile pic (e.g. hover over a pic of "Joe" on a post he made to your Stream and you get a pop-up allowing you to add or remove him from your Circles). Little things like that set the UI apart.

Unsurprisingly the Home area seems to be where you'd hang out the most, just like Facebook. On Home are two things that also deserve some description. First there's Sparks, which I think is probably the least impressive and interesting feature, but still has some potential. This is basically like a topic-driven web link discovery system. You enter some key words and it finds you content based on them. This is not like a regular Google search, I'm not sure what they're doing, but it seems much more culled than that. I think how recent a result is plays heavily into whether it will be shown. Better than a simple search though is that you can save this to your "Spark List" and it will continually update you on new info for that area of interest. Naturally you can easily click to share anything in your Sparks. Like I said it's not too exciting, lots of other services already do similar stuff and probably do it better, but if they continue to flesh it out it could make the G+ home page even stickier by making it a real dashboard not only for all the info on your friend's activities, but also *all* your interests around the web.

Then there's Hangouts. This one seems like a possible game changer. It's not revolutionary in basic function, but its integration with a social network just may be. Basically it's "just" group video chat. It works through Google's existing Google Chat system that has included video for years. Only now it allows multiple people, and it has a pretty slick system for keeping focus on whomever is talking, or letting you choose focus, or selectively mute people. One cool feature is that it allows you to watch YouTube videos "together" (simultaneously), so you can get a fun shared experience. It's actually pretty novel, believe it or not, though it's not necessarily amazing or something you're likely to use a lot in the long run (though some people who like watching YT videos with friends more than I do might love it). It also includes text chat, and lets you invite more people in very easily. Incidentally inviting people to Hangout is the way I've found to get anyone a G+ invite. Shh, keep it under your hat! ;) When you start a Hangout it posts to your stream and others can easily join. It also documents who was part of the Hangout ("Oshyan was Hanging out with Katy and Corey").

I jumped into a Hangout with a friend who was in the room and another friend half way across the country who happened to just call me and I was able to send him an invite. I really just wanted to test the functionality but it ended up being really fun and cool. It's a well-done system and, despite the occasional glitch, works nicely. It has a simple, clean UI and just enough features to be exciting and useful, while not being overwhelming.

So you're probably wondering why I think Hangouts could be a "game changer". Well, so far group video chat hasn't really been easily or widely available. Skype, for example, just introduced it recently and they *charge* for the feature. I'm sure we all know someone who uses Skype or even Google Chat to keep in touch with friends and - especially - relatives in distant places. It's becoming almost cliche for grandma and grandpa to video chat with their little niece or nephew on the opposite coast. But until now it's just been one person at a time. Now imagine grandpa and grandpa being able to get on to chat with little Johnny and their parents, plus Sarah and her new husband living in the UK, and Bob on his trip in the Philippines. The reason I think this could be significant is because it's a potential "killer feature" that might drive adoption with "everyone else", i.e. people who aren't techies, aren't hanging out on this site, but love Facebook because it lets them (re)connect with people easily, and love Skype because it lets them see and hear their loved ones for free. Google is giving them more, and it's giving it to them in the context of a social network. People will want to be able to do this, and the only way - so far as I know - is through G+. So sign up to G+ and you can group chat with anyone you want, for free. This could be a big incentive.

Back to the Home page. The "stream" (like FB's wall) is nicely formatted and clean, and otherwise almost exactly like FB's version. All the controls and tools you'd expect are there including who is involved with a given post (for Hangouts it shows thumbnails of the people who were there for example), details of the sharing status (public, with particular groups, etc.), the ability to comment on, +1 and share any post, to mute a post/thread or the entire person or report abuse, etc. You can even disable comments and reshares on individual posts which is quite nice and another privacy-preserving feature (after all, just because you post something privately doesn't mean others will keep it private!). There are also individual streams for each Circle as well as an aggregate stream.

Another piece of the puzzle is that new black Google bar you've been seeing on the Google home page. When you're signed in to G+ it follows you around on any Google web property, letting you easily share, +1, and do other G+ type stuff. It's nice to have and I'd even like the option to let it follow me around on general browsing to make sharing easier from other sites. I imagine they might implement that sooner than later. Surprisingly +1 and other features don't appear to be rolled out across all of the major Google properties even, with YouTube one notable omission. But Shopping, meanwhile, does have +1, as does the general web. Interesting.

Last but not least, there are lots of controls in your G+ settings allowing you to adjust notification types and methods (you can even be notified via SMS). The "Data Liberation" system you may have heard about is built right in to the settings, allowing you to export data for Picasa, your Profile, Stream, Buzz, and Circles and Contacts. Facebook has similar functionality, although it didn't debut with it, and I haven't compared the two. But the easy accessibility and existence of the feature right from the start is very nice. You can also, interestingly enough, link other accounts with your G+/Google account, including Facebook, Twitter, Flickr, Yahoo, and more. I'm not entirely sure what the linking really does yet, but it at least (optionally) adds a link to your page on that service to your profile's About area.

The one thing some have said is odd is that it's not integrated with Gmail like Facebook's new "messaging center" email thingy. I don't think that just because FB is doing it Google should too, but I do note a distinct lack of a real "private message", "direct message", or similar type feature (as far as I can tell). Your G+ contacts are your Gmail contacts though I think (haven't tested whether adding someone through G+ adds them to my Gmail contacts though), so theoretically you can just jump over to gmail to email them if you want. There's also direct chat and Hangouts. Still I see this as something that needs addressing somehow. Many a mini embedded Gmail interface or something.

Last but not least, Google nicely includes a slick Feedback tool/link. Clicking Send Feedback in the lower-right of any G+ page pops up a nifty feedback tool. It has the comment form you'd expect, but also tools to highlight or black out multiple areas of the screen just by clicking and dragging. Highlight and blackout areas can also be easily removed. When you're done marking up the page and commenting, you preview your feedback and it shows how they'll receive it. This is all very nicely done and makes giving feedback easy and even kind of fun.

Now I should mention that my impressions about the UI might need to be taken with a grain of salt depending on your perspective. I hate and have always hated the Facebook UI and find it very unintuitive. I'm usually quite good with web UIs and software UIs in general, so it's always frustrated me that FB's is so opaque to me. Google's is much better, but I don't know how objective that is. I'm curious to hear the opinions of people here as I trust the viewpoints to critical, diverse, and interesting.

I've also just installed the Google+ Android app but haven't had a chance to play with it much yet. The UI is fairly nice though and some good ideas like auto-upload of new photos and videos for later sharing. So I'm looking forward to exploring it and expect to be using it much more than FB's app.

Overall I'm impressed and I was *not* impressed by Wave or Buzz. They appear to have gotten this right for private beta, and hopefully the rough edges will me smoothed out soon so the whole world can check it out. I'm super curious to see if this makes a dent in Facebook's domination. Like I said there are some potential killer features (Circles, Hangouts) that might just make the difference...

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Google+
« Last post by JavaJones on June 29, 2011, 05:04 PM »
I'm not sure how it works yet, I hope so. Going on past Google product launches like this, invites should become available to people who get in, but sometimes there's a delay. Note that I don't yet have my invite either. ;)

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Google+
« Last post by JavaJones on June 29, 2011, 04:40 PM »
Waiting for my invitation. Word 'round the Interwebs is that it's very promising from those who are already testing it...

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Google+
« Last post by JavaJones on June 29, 2011, 12:25 AM »
Remember everyone, MySpace used to be king of the heap. Facebook *will* fall, sooner or later. Will it be Google+? I don't know. I have my doubts. But it will happen eventually.

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: We need some good tech news sites - Where are they?
« Last post by JavaJones on June 28, 2011, 08:00 PM »
Eep. I think I'll pass on TechDirt. ;)

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Google+
« Last post by JavaJones on June 28, 2011, 07:59 PM »
Personally I think this looks really promising. As close to what *I* have wanted social networking to be as I've seen yet (at least judging from info available so far). The "Circles" thing (friend groups) is particularly nice-looking, and a killer must-have feature for me. Facebook's current implementation of this is *sorely* lacking IMO (I've tried to use it but it did lots of things I didn't want). The other features also look pretty cool, combining interesting aspects of lots of other services. Here's hoping it takes off (and that I get an invite soon!).

- Oshyan
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Love the pic of Dorothy with the icicles... Nice work guys. :D

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: We need some good tech news sites - Where are they?
« Last post by JavaJones on June 28, 2011, 04:26 PM »
Wow, Ars covers a lot more stuff than I remember. I'll admit it's been ages since I've really spent much time there, but it appears to be a pretty solid replacement for Slashdot, with actual original content and higher quality to boot. Hmm!

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Can we talk about mkv files here please?
« Last post by JavaJones on June 27, 2011, 11:00 PM »
Windows Media Player won't know how to read additional info from an MKV. Use The KMPLayer, Duam Potplayer, or maybe SPlayer or SMPlayer.

If that fails (as it seems to have), then the data has probably not been properly encoded into the MKV. You can try a file info tool to see if it can detect it: http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: Anyone Using Bitcoins Yet?
« Last post by JavaJones on June 27, 2011, 06:01 PM »
Renegade, glad you posted that vid and other info. I was about to post some similar/same stuff in my next reply, you saved me the effort. ;)

- Oshyan
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Google is more like a modern-day Xerox Labs, except they actually *publish* and make available a good portion of what they tinker with in the labs. To me this is *awesome*, even if some (or perhaps many) of these services/systems eventually go away. With the old Xerox, many inventions that were later commercialized by others simply sat in their labs or were only implemented in very limited high-end commercial systems. Of course this was at least partly a symptom of the times where generalized consumer computing was not a major reality. Still, whether Xerox would have been doing what Google is doing today or not, I am appreciative that Google *does*. It means we get to play with a lot of things that would not otherwise have seen the light of day from most other companies, and again even though some go away eventually, I'd rather have had the opportunity - so that if nothing else others can be inspired to follow in their foot steps *if* the ideas are truly viable - than to have never been able to test myself whether an idea was actually useful to me.

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: Anyone Using Bitcoins Yet?
« Last post by JavaJones on June 26, 2011, 08:59 PM »
And what's wrong with limiting economic growth? Everything else in the *real world* has limits, so eventually economic growth must also be limited. We're just putting off the time line of that limitation artificially for the short-term gain of a few.

Limiting economic growth without limiting population growth?  You *really* want to talk about the haves and the have nots.

Population growth is largely self-limiting in developed ("1st world") countries. Unchecked population growth only ultimately leads to the saturation of Earth as a habitable space, regardless of its cause. So clearly growth without limit is untenable, and any system that relies on it as a fundamental principle is not sustainable long-term. One can make the argument that it might make sense as a short-term strategy for various reasons, but pretending it can achieve sustainable long-term viability is not only foolish but dangerous. The physical laws of the universe itself are ultimately standing in the way, but much sooner than they will rear their head the limitations of our own comparatively tiny world and resources will do so. Not acknowledging that eventual reality and *planning for it* is irresponsible in the extreme. Our current economic models have no answer or solution to that "end game".

- Oshyan
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Their RSS feed no longer has whole articles either, just summaries, forcing you to click to their site to actually read the content (and the summaries are usually awful). Not that I blame them, the RSS feed used to be a very convenient way to avoid seeing all their annoying pop-over ads. Now I just use an ad blocker. ;) But so rarely is the content useful that I am definitely considering removing them from my RSS soon. Slashdot is kind of sucking too.

Does anyone have any recommendations for a good general tech (and other) news site with an RSS feed? I want something fairly broad, that includes both tech/geek-specific stuff and *some* "real news" so I'm not totally out of touch, plus the occasional bit of humor. Like Slashdot, only without really terrible/slanted/biased article summaries and a bunch of duplicates.

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: What's Your Internet Speed/Reliability SATISFACTION?
« Last post by JavaJones on June 25, 2011, 01:02 PM »
Yeah, I saw the info about the badge which is part of what tipped me off to Stephen's odd results (one of his badges shows dramatically different upload/download results). I did realize that his comment wasn't about using a server, just about the DC SpeedWave. But I'm still confused as to why his results vary so dramatically, and I'm guessing that the results are tied to the account you're logged-in to, not the or computer or even location. Hence my original theory that one could e.g. log in to a remote server at a large data center and run the speed test while logged-in and get some insane server-to-server results just skewing everything, heh. Of course maybe this is all just sour grapes since I lost 1st place. ;)

wr975: Awesome! I really wish we had more high-speed symmetric options in the US.

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: Anyone Using Bitcoins Yet?
« Last post by JavaJones on June 25, 2011, 12:48 PM »
And what's wrong with limiting economic growth? Everything else in the *real world* has limits, so eventually economic growth must also be limited. We're just putting off the time line of that limitation artificially for the short-term gain of a few.

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: What's Your Internet Speed/Reliability SATISFACTION?
« Last post by JavaJones on June 25, 2011, 12:35 PM »
I kind of don't think it's fair or useful to have results *from other servers* posted. Aren't we talking about home Internet speeds here? Or am I confused about some of the tests in the results list now? Stephen, for example, has 5 tests, it says Virgin Media as ISP, but shows "upload speed more than doubles download speed" as a badge with much different results from those shown. I guess it shows the best overall result? But again that result is from a server I think, not a personal net connection. :P

- Oshyan
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Yet with all that about the best you can hope to achieve is the manufacturer rated 8MPG! Ya needs a more efficient vehicle, no way 'round it. :D

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: How to stop forum spam ?
« Last post by JavaJones on June 21, 2011, 03:36 PM »
Well summarized mouser, agreed 100%.

- Oshyan
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Hehe, of course. But doubling your mileage is essentially impossible with the vehicle you have of course. The point was that even doubling your mileage would still be pretty bad! Hehe. If only you could borrow against your future fuel consumption, you'd have a new car in no time! Hey, that's not a bad idea... ;)

- Oshyan
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In regards to why "coasting to a stop" might not be having a noticeable effect on your fuel mileage, I'd say it's probably because it's so bad already, that even a 10% improvement (which would be quite dramatic for something as simple as coasting instead of using brakes more) would only give you about half a mile per gallon, which you probably wouldn't even notice. Whereas for a car that already gets say 30mpg, a 10% improvement gets them 3mpg extra. In other words your baseline is so bad that almost no matter what you do it's not going to make a really *big* difference in terms of your fuel cost. Even if you *double* your mileage, you're still only getting 12mpg, which is well below an average car these days, and still quite poor.

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: How to stop forum spam ?
« Last post by JavaJones on June 21, 2011, 12:56 PM »
DC is fortunate to have a group of highly active mods. For smaller or less active sites, it's harder to be as quick to react to stuff that does get through. But having deal with this issue myself on 3 other SMF forums recently (due to a massive *increase* in spam starting a week or two ago), I can confirm much of the advice here and add some further specifics *if* you're running SMF.

First off I installed StopForumSpam and httpBL SMF mods. They helped, but surprisingly did not eliminate more than maybe 20% of spammer signups.

The thing that made the biggest impact so far is installing a completely different kind of CAPTCHA. As I understand it ReCaptcha is essentially compromised at this point, so it's not surprising that it doesn't fix the problem for you. I suspect almost any system will eventually be cracked, but switching to something non-standard at least makes you a much more difficult target and they may not bother. Once I installed notCAPTCHA mod, spam registration went down 90+%. Along with the other mods, StopForumSpam, httpBL, and a few of the other top antispam mods for SMF, my forums are doing ok now. I still have to deal with the occasional spam post, but even with only 1 or 2 mods it's not burdensome.

Obviously if you're not using SMF then you need to think more generally about this advice. For whatever forum system you have, look for more unusual CAPTCHAs, not ones based just on weird text warping and noise. Puzzle solving seems particularly difficult for bots, though mass human signups (Mechanical Turk?) it may not help.

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: Do it yourself dropbox
« Last post by JavaJones on June 19, 2011, 02:01 AM »
Fair points. I haven't tried either so it's all hypothetical to me. But Amahi does look interesting...

- Oshyan
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It's worse than you think Deo! If you assume it takes about 10 seconds to get "partially undressed" (try it, it's a reasonable estimate) and about 30 to get fully undressed (remember we're talking about typical speeds here, not "I'm trying to get undressed as fast as possible), then the following is true (at a minimum):

You waste 80 seconds per day undressing.

In 1 week, you have already wasted more than *nine minutes* of time.

In just 1 month you waste 40 minutes.

In a year, you waste 8 whole hours!

In an average life of 75 years you would waste *23 and a half days*!

This is clearly a vital issue. Surely we need legislation on this, amiright?

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: Do it yourself dropbox
« Last post by JavaJones on June 18, 2011, 05:32 PM »
I don't know enough about ownCloud or Amahi to say with any confidence, but Amahi strikes me as a significantly "heavier" system and, while more flexible, perhaps overkill for someone looking for a simple Dropbox-like system. That being said it's definitely a cool option in general.

- Oshyan
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