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Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: AntispamSniper For The Bat!
« Last post by tranglos on November 17, 2009, 05:13 PM »
foreign time zones like +0100

Ouch! That's pretty much all of Europe, except for the UK, Ireland and Portugal. That "and" condition had better be good :)

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Thanks a lot, J-Mac! I've taken it for a test drive and just like I feared, it's not for me because it doesn't to exactly what I have in mind :) It's pretty neat overall though. And it doesn't use .Net.

(I have .net installed; probably all the versions that have ever been released. It's just that using a .Net-based app to speed up startup is a contradiction in terms.)

the way it works, any programs and/or services that are set to start with Windows it will allow Windows to start them. However if you want to schedule when it starts, Chameleon takes over and handles those items.

Indeed, and this is why I decided CSM is not for me. Since CSM leaves all the startup entries as-is unless you specifically choose to delay them, Windows will do the silly old thing trying to start all items at the same time, maxing out the disk and the cpu. Preventing this is why startup delayers were invented in the first place, I think.

Defining a specific delay for each startup item is a little too much, on the other hand. I prefer being able to set a small, constant delay between each two startup items (3 seconds or so), and setting the order of items, so that less important things start later. That's about all the configuration I want.

The problem with writing my own delayer though is that once you take over startup items, you have to do a lot more housekeeping - like CSM does. Currently my delayer only does the starting-and-delaying part. You have to manually move shortcuts to a folder where the delayer will find them, and manage those shortcuts manually. Not ready for prime time!

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Living Room / Re: How would you improve a standard PC keyboard?
« Last post by tranglos on November 11, 2009, 10:38 AM »
I'd get rid of the damn CapsLock key.  It might be worth little test to get a key mapping utility to make it behave instead like an Enter key and see how that would work out. I may just do that.
I was thinking electrify the CapsLock key.

Why is Caps Lock so universally hated? For one thing, it makes a great Reload key in FPS games, try it! Way, way better than the default 'R', since you can hit it instantly with the little finger regardless of whatever else you are pressing at the moment.

But more seriously, if you've ever seen an EULA that goes THIS SOFTWARE ("SOFTWARE") IS LICENSED TO YOU ("YOU") ON CONDITION IT WILL NOT BE RE-SOLD, LOANED, TRANSFERRED RE-EXPORTED OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE, AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH...

and so on for two or three pages. When I am translating a piece of crock like that, I thank my Caps Lock key.

And how about making Alt + Esc the left-handed Enter key.

Alt might not be the best choice, because just pressing left Alt (without releasing it) closes an open menu, so you could not use that combo to emulate Enter in some cases. Also, Windows already maps Alt+Esc to something like "send window to bottom in Z-order", though you can override that mapping with third-party tools.
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Living Room / Re: How would you improve a standard PC keyboard?
« Last post by tranglos on November 11, 2009, 10:24 AM »
Better yet, completely do away with the number block like many laptops do

I actually like the numeric keypad and use it a lot, even though I don't do any spreadsheet calculations in Excel. It may be a fairly recent development, but a lot of the new-ish window management apps (from Actual Windows Manager to AHK scripts) quite rightly use the numeric keypad for window movement.

Most technical translators will be familiar with SDL Trados, pretty much the industry standard translation memory software, which has always used Alt+ Num Plus and Alt+Num Enter for its basic functionality, since mid-nineties at least. A bit odd initially, but very convenient when you get used to it, unlikely to conflict with anything else... and completely impossible to do on a laptop. (Which is a problem, as freelance translators are likely to work on mobile devices). What's bad is that these shortcuts cannot be remapped (maybe they can in the latest version, which is a rewrite with a completely new UI).

Also, as cyberdiva said, the numeric keypad is indispensable for entering Alt+xxxx characters.

I also tend to assign a lot of shortcuts to Alt- or Win plus (what used to be called) the "grey" keys. In general, I'm not into *removing* stuff; I'd rather see new stuff added where possible :)

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Living Room / Re: How would you improve a standard PC keyboard?
« Last post by tranglos on November 11, 2009, 10:15 AM »
If you hold the mouse with your right hand, you have to drop the mouse before you can hit Enter.
Not if you have <Enter> assigned to <LeftButtonDown><WheelDown>

I've never had a wheel mouse where the wheel click was comfortable enough. Either they are too "tough" to press, or it's too easy to scroll the wheel while pressing it. I've only ever used Logitech mice, so perhaps other brands are better in this regard.

Granted, I could assign one of the extra buttons to act as Enter.
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Thanks, J-Mac. Can I ask a couple of things?

a) Is is a .Net app? (There was once a similar, .Net-based startup manager whose name I forget.)

b) Does it quit after it performs the startup task, or do you keep it running all the time? What's the RAM footprint?

c) Does it handle starting services in addition to regular startup applications? I'm finding that removing all 20 items I have set to start with Windows doesn't shorten boot time significantly. XP spends most of the time at the "Welcome" screen, while it's loading drivers and services. I've achieved the single greatest saving by reconfiguring WebDrive so that it initiates its ftp connection at the very end of the startup process, for example.

d) Can it be used to start groups of programs at any time, rather than only at startup?

e) Does it have a feature to specify a custom group of applications that shouyld be launched only once, the next time Windows starts, and after that automatically revert to the default scheme?

Full disclosure: I've written my own startup manager ("delayer") that I just might polish up enough for a NANY release, but it's very basic, far from finished yet. On the plus side, it's very lightweight, and it supports feature (e) in the list above. Having designed my own delayer, I know that I'm probably not going to like anybody else's solution, since it's not going to be exactly like I want it to be :) Chameleon's feature set is impressive, though.
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Living Room / How would you improve a standard PC keyboard?
« Last post by tranglos on November 08, 2009, 07:39 PM »
Not Dvorak, not anything completely new or outlandish, but a regular 102+ keys PC keyboard. How would you improve it?

Here's what I'd love to see:

1. An Enter key on the left.

There are already two enter keys on a standard PC keyboard, both on the right side, extremely impractical to press with the left hand. If you hold the mouse with your right hand, you have to drop the mouse before you can hit Enter.

This has been bothering me for a long time. Do the single "long" click in Windows Explorer or Total Commander to rename a file, then right-click to paste a new name (or cut/delete a part of the string with the mouse), but you cannot complete the rename operation with the mouse. Or, it's becoming common to have a search box somewhere near the top right corner, both in desktop apps and websites. Often the search box cannot be (easily) accessed with the keyboard, so you need the mouse to click it. Then you can paste your search string, but often still need to press Enter, because sometimes there is no button to click to initiate the search.

An Enter key accessible with the left hand would make such operations much smoother.

2. A dedicated key for navigating controls in a window.

Using Tab for jumping from edit box to edit box may have seemed like a good idea at the time people were accustomed to typewriters, but often the metaphor breaks with no obvious workaround. The Tab key has two distinct uses: one is to navigate fields, the other to enter the tab character. This works as long as you have only simple one-line controls in a window, or if a window contains only one multi-line edit control. Anything beyond that, and users are left to wonder how to navigate via the keyboard to neighboring areas. Take Word 2003 with a task pane open: you should be able to jump between the editor and the task pane using Tab, but you can't. (Even though you can still use Tab to navigate within the task pane itself).

Or take a split-screen text editor with two edit panes side by side - how do you jump between them? It's surprising that no common standard has evolved for navigation in such cases. Tab won't do. Each vendor comes up with their custom binding, so much so you can never be sure what will work. (Similarly, there seems to be no solid standard for switching between MDI windows. F6 or Ctrl+F6 are common, but this type of binding should be set in stone as much as directional arrows are.)

Microsoft has pretty much succeeded in extending the PC keyboard with two additional keys; I'm sure they could add one more :) A dedicated Nav key whose sole function would be to jump from one enabled control to another, regardless of what the controls are. Alt+Nav would cycle through MDI windows, while Ctrl+Nav could be used to cycle between tabs in tabbed applications. (There seems to be no fixed standard for that, either: try Ctrl+Tab, Ctrl+PageDown or even Alt+Left/Right).

This is what I would manufacture if I were a bit more entrepreneurial and a bit less of a slacker :)
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General Software Discussion / Re: Has anyone tried Perfect Utilities ?
« Last post by tranglos on November 06, 2009, 07:09 PM »
I wonder if this is intentional or if the developer has an infection?

I doubt that, since Relevant Knowledge does not appear to be a virus. It's a company, billing itself as a "market research community" — "with over 2 million members worldwide", read: two million infected computers.

From quick googling it seems that when installed, the RK payload pops up surveys for users to fill, as well as sends information home. The author would have to have a deal with Relevant Knowledge to distribute the payload.

On edit: here's the money quote from their wretched website:

In exchange for participating in periodic surveys on topics of interest to the Internet community, and for having their Internet browsing and purchasing activity monitored, RelevantKnowledge sponsors select software that its members can enjoy for free.
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General Software Discussion / Spyware in Perfect Utilities
« Last post by tranglos on November 06, 2009, 06:38 PM »
Looks like Perfect Utilities version 3.03 comes bundled with actual adware / spyware now. Avira won't let the installer run: "Contains recognition pattern of ADSPY/AdSpy.Gen adware or spyware". Thinking it may be a false positive, I unpacked the setup file with Universal Extractor (fantastic utility btw, get it!) to see what lives inside.

Sure enough, inside the installation package lives a file called "rkinstall.exe" - seems to be an installer for Relevant Knowledge, which appears to be a known spyware deal. The presence of the rkinstall.exe file pretty much seals the case. The chance it's just a naming coincidence is pretty slim, especially that the file lives in a separate "temp" folder within the installation package.

Looking at the Perfect Utilities forum, a number of other users have been getting similar warnings from Nod32. The authors have not responded. (From the user comments it would appear that earlier versions of PU did not carry spyware.)

Thanks, Avira!
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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: New program: eStopWatch (freeware)
« Last post by tranglos on November 04, 2009, 03:35 PM »
That's 3 clicks just to keep using the same time over and over again.  If I've already loaded the time, it would be better if it resets after it finishes, and then I just click start to do it again.  That's only one click.  And if this happens, I would also suggest the program to remember the last used timer setting after exiting/restarting.

I hear you. As I (might have) mentioned upthread, I'm not happy with the implementation of the preset dialog. It's ugly and it's not convenient at all.

I should be able to add the feature you've suggested, but I'd much rather do away with that dialog box altogether. I originally wanted to have no modal dialogs in this app — I just haven't figured out how to make that happen without spoiling the simplicity of the main window. I don't want any bloat there and don't want to make the main window any larger.

Perhaps the preset controls could be placed in a collapsing section of the main window, so that they could be hidden when not used. I need to revisit this.
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Actually, you never delete an item with Autoruns if you disable it AFAIK, the entry is simply moved to an "AutorunsDisabled" subfolder in the same key or directory.

Yes, but that's not quite what I was referring to. You can also fully delete items in Autoruns — but neither procedure affects physically installed files, only the registry.

Unchecking an item in Autoruns simply means it will not be loaded by Windows. However, the unchecked item may be required by some combination of other drivers or registry entries, which in some extreme cases may lead to Windows not booting up properly, or the OS becoming inaccessible.

(As a corrolary, never use the Delete function in Autoruns until you're completely satisfied with the result. Only uncheck items, and even then make sure you ca n handle any trouble that might ensue.)

I got away lucky, as I only had to re-check the ThreatFire driver to get my keyboard back, but in the posts I linked to in my OP people tell of harder times they had after they did that (or worse, physically deleted the seemingly unused driver).

I do recommend using Autoruns just to check what's being loaded. I knew about *some* of the things, but also discovered a lot of filter drivers, boot-time operations and dlls incjected into Windows Explorer by programs I didn't think did that. By carefully disabling a number of items I got a significant improvement in startup time as well as saved ca 50 MB of RAM at runtime.
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I have an external 2TB WD My Book drive, connected via firewire, single partition.

The trial version of Paragon HD Manager, as well as Paragon Drive Backup Pro 9 both show this drive as having "7,9 GB not formatted" and the remaining space unallocated. Fixed drives are shown correctly, but the nonsensical detection of the external drive makes me rather uncomfortable about this software. (MS management console shows the correct status for this drive, of course)

If anyone is using Paragon software and has an external USB drive, what does it show for you?
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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: New program: ActiveHotkeys (freeware)
« Last post by tranglos on November 02, 2009, 06:13 AM »
One thing that is puzzling me is that it has reported 59 out of 1984 possible key combo's as being active, but it reports Ctrl+C (Copy) Ctrl+V (Paste) and Ctrl+X (Cut) as inactive although they do work. Same results occur when run with or without elevation. Any Ideas? 

The answer is in my reply just above your message :)

The keys you mention are not system-wide hotkeys.

A system-wide hotkey can only be assigned by one application at a time. If Ctrl+C were a system hotkey, only one program could use it, in and all other apps you would have to use a different keyboard shortcuts for "Copy". The same applies to Alt+F4, Ctrl+X, Ctrl+V etc.
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You completely ignored my actual posting.  :P
What is the need of a "complete toolkit" when two or three single, free applications are more than enough for everything related to "optimizing"?

Well, I don't know Brain, but Autoruns and CCleaner don't cover the whole range of tasks. And some users might prefer a single toolkit where all apps look and work the same, and where there's only one app to update, instead of several. To each his own, though.

Plus, its not like the apps you mention have no shortcomings of their own. CCleaner can "clean" too much just as any other utiity of that type can. In Autoruns just unchecking an item (in the Drivers section, say) can have more disastrous effects than using a registry optimizer, because Autoruns does not perform a complete uninstall and does not scan the registry for co-dependent settings. I experienced this firsthand. TUU utilities have an undo feature and can rollback any cnages you've made (though sometimes you may notice negative effects too late for the rollback to make sense).

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TuneUp Utilities are made for fixing errors they break themselves.

Well, I wouldn't go that far, myself :)

TUU certainly had a number of things going for it. It was lighter and nicer to use than anything coming from the Norton/Symantec shop. It did not install much (or any) "resident" software in the earlier versions. (There was a memory optimizer, but I never used it.) It was nice to have a complete toolkit under one roof, so to speak, and the original Control Center was really well designed, good looking and functional. And some of the individual tools were pretty good: their Startup Manager has always been one of my favorites. It has a useful feature I haven't seen duplicated elsewhere, which lets you move startup items from registry to the Start Menu and vice versa, for example. The Registry Editor is more convenient than the built-in MS tool, etc.

The problem is, IMO, that over the years those well-working tools were not updated much. (To be fair, the 2010 version of Startup Manager adds highlighting of newly added items. That's good, but it still has a long way to go before it can catch up with AnVir.) Instead, in versions 2009 and 2010 TUU added a lot of new features that required some service or other constantly running and monitoring things, while the original utilities were being made less accessible, less important — as if they were about to become obsolete.

...They don't install a bunch of unwanted stuff into your autostart menu...

TUU didn't use to do that, either. Ah, those were good old times! :)

At least TUU doesn't seem to leave anything behind when you uninstall. I recently took a close look at the output from Autoruns (Sysinternals), and that was a head-scratching experience to say the least. Several file filter drivers and all kinds of other low-level drivers were left active by Acronis TrueImage, PerfectDrive and Paragon; ThreatFire left behind a keyboard monitor driver which, when you uninstall it manually, kills all communication between Windows and your keyboard (so that you can't even log in after reboot, and restoring the original keyboard driver does not help), etc. All kinds of awful crap left by well-respected packages. So at least in that respect TUU scores one better.

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I still will give it a try, to see what happens and, above all, to see what is new in the old tools, but for the time being I'll keep 2009 around. What happens when I install Windows 7 is something worth of a few thoughts.

I absolutely think everyone interested in TUU should still give it a try. Your mileage may vary.

BTW, TuneUp Utilities did have a few updates over the years, but they were just mere bugfixes and minor enhancements. IIRC, 2008 and 2009 were updated twice, and 2007 just once. After reading your report, I'm sure 2010 will get at least one ;D

I never-ever saw an update available through the update checker. Do you happen to recall how soon the updates were posted after the initial release? I usually waited some time (months) before I decided to splurge and upgrade, so I may have been installing "final" releases that didn't get any updates within the version cycle.

I was still surprised that the update checker never mentioned the annual paid upgrades, either.
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2) Don't use registry optimizers - they ALWAYS cause more problems than they solve.

That's true, unfortunately. I never let TuneUp just go ahead and "fix" the registry. Every time I used that utility, I always went through the list of suggested fixes and manually unchecked everything that seemed like it was better left untouched. I'm not exactly a computer newbie, either. Even so, I always or nearly always managed to miss a few important entries, which TuneUp subsequently deleted.

With that experience, I have to agree with Carol. Just don't do it.

Those who, like myself, are slightly allergic to seeing leftover crappage in the registry, are better served manually deleting certain keys which are obviously not needed, such as product keys under HKCU/Software and HKLM/Software for apps that have been uninstalled. It's better not to toch anything under the HKLM(*) hive and under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT.

That said, products such as TuneUp Registry Optimizer could be improved e.g. by having a "white list" of keys they should never touch, provided by the manufacturer. Just don't touch anything that might be related to Office, as long as TuneUp detects that a version of Office is still installed.

(*) Unless you absolutely have to: for example, if after uninstallation ThreatFire leaves behind its keyboard monitoring driver, which you then try to remove manually, and in doing so kill your keyboard entirely, so that uninstalling and reinstalling original keyboar drivers does not help. That's about the only time you need to start messing around in HKLM...
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Of course you know if TuneUp was sold to Avanquest or someone, so it no longer was owned by a coder but by a merchant?

My, you had me scared there for a second! But no, the original company (not sure if the original developers) are still working on it, it seems.

I'd say it's the common featuritis affliction, and maybe coder fatigue too, since it's often more inspiring to work on something new than to improve that old Registry Editor component or such. But the features they've been adding in subsequent versions never really shined as much as the original set. And now 2010 may have been released too soon. The new interface, like it or not, is one thing, but I never expected to see TUU crash so badly.


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I guess you forgot to first do the meditation?  

Quite right, that! My hero Allen Ginsberg would not be proud.

(And really, you just have to see him sing it!)
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Glad to be of service :) And sorry about the vituperation, I just seem to have an emotional relationship with software!

I'll go back to an earlier version of TUU, most likely 2007, where everything was in its right place and pretty lean. Too bad that version may not run well on Vista or Windows 7.
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General Software Discussion / How the mighty have fallen: TuneUp Utilities 2010
« Last post by tranglos on October 30, 2009, 06:58 PM »
WARNING: Below this line you will encounter another of my vitriolic reviews. After the ranting has subdued, please maintain calm and proceed slowly to the exits :-)

How the mighty have fallen. I was in awe of TuneUp Utilities when I first found it in 2006. It looked beautiful, was packed with useful functionality, and every tool was logically placed and easy to find. I've been upgrading almost every year since then (skipped version 2008) and sadly, I regretted every upgrade, as the product turned out progressively worse.

The original layout was clear and logical. In version 2009 the distribution of tools was rearranged in the control center, so that I no longer knew where to find the tools I needed. Things that took one click now took several, as TuneUp displayed the nice-looking but ultimately irrelevant diagnostic messages on the main screen - and oh, now it took ten seconds or so before the UI became available, as it was busy performing the various system checks which should only be done at user request. As a result, I didn't use TuneUp nearly as often as I did before, and finally only ever used the Startup Manager, which you managed not to spoil.

Meanwhile, the tools that were truly useful were not seeing much improvement. The registry editor hasn't changed since 2006. System Information pales in comparison to what applications like Everest (previously Aida) can tell. The Registry Optimizer *always* breaks MS Office 2003 installation, so that Word starts to ask for the installation disks as soon as I press F1 or try to use the task panes — this hasn't changed since the earliest TuneUp version I used. And the Process Manager lags behind competition (Process Explorer or AnVir Task Manager Pro) so much it's lamentable.

And then there was that funny thing about TuneUp update. The program has a "check for updates" feature, which reminds you to check for a new version every now and then. I do not remember if it was first introduced in version 2006 or 2007, but I do know that it has never, *never* found an update available. I even learned about the pay upgrades through the website! What's the point of having an update checker, if there are never any updates?

So I had my little gripes, which detracted a little from the overall satisaction with a commercial package, but there was still a lot of useful greatness under the hood... and the hood looked awesome.

Version 2010, however, is a new low. The "hood" may be prettier than ever, but what hides underneath is a lemon.

Now *all* the utilities have been hidden, so that it's completely impossible to tell where they are or how to find them. Is my favorite Startup Manager under "Maintain system" or "Increase performance"? I can't *see* where it is, so I'll have to hunt and peck every time. And why is "Defragment hard disks" located under "Maintain system" instead of "Increase performance"? One could argue that both categories are suitable — but if so, then the categories were badly picked in the first place.

Yes, the individual utilities can be accessed via the Start menu, which is their saving grace. This doesn't excuse the confusing mess the control center has become.

System performance advice is next to useless, sorry. TuneUp is telling me I have many programs installed. Well thank you, I do have a bunch. I use my computer for a lot of things. At the same time TuneUp installer adds *three* new always-on services, and a tray icon. All for the sake of keeping the computer running smoothly, it seems.

The tray icon, by the way, adds insult to injury, as it has no "Exit" command. Major blunder, developers, not to let me close a program peaceably! Killing processes makes me feel bad, you know?

Then, before I had a chance to read the docs and to configure (i.e., disable) all the automatic maintenance features that will do who knows what to the computer, TuneUp is doing outright silly things on its own. I check the report and see that TuneUp forcibly lowered the process priority of Total Commander, because it thought TC was behaving selfishly with the CPU. Well, TC was busy doing my work, gentlemen. It was searching for text in a large directory of files. By lowering its priority TuneUp ensured I had to wait longer for the result — is that a bug or a feature?

All this automatic magic is not helpful at all; it is not smart, it does the opposite of what would be logical. It presumes to know better than the user and makes the wrong choices. What happened to the idea of asking the user whether a program is important (so boost it) or a background drone (so keep it tame)?

After such start, I was just curious to see what chicanery lurked inside the "Turbo Mode". The description reads, "In Turbo Mode, all unwanted background programs and services are disabled to ensure individual programs run smoothly". I couldn't help but check what programs and services TuneUp considered "unwanted", and whether it was going to make that determination by trying to read my mind, or whether it would just make a wild guess.

As I tried to click the "Configure Turbo Mode" link, two things happened. First, I did not manage to click that link, because as I approached the link with the mouse, the sliding information panel kicked in and switched to the "TuneUp Live Optimization" slide. As a result, I inadvertently clicked the "Configure Live Optimization" link instead. Just as I tried to click the link, it was replaced with another link before I had time to react. At least this is what I think happened. Congratulations for the innovative UI design! Maybe next we'll see sliding OK and Cancel buttons, too?

The second thing that happened was that LiveOptimizer.exe crashed.

Then I tried again, this time making sure I clicked the correct link. Another crash from LiveOptimizer.exe:

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And the worst thing? The worst thing is we're only getting warmed up here.

I ran Drive Defrag. It analyzed two of my physical drives, and when I clicked the other drive in the list, the process froze. I had to kill it with the Task Manager.

I ran Disk Doctor. It started scanning the filesystem, then I left the computer unattended for a while. By the time I came back 10 minutes later, DD had consumed over 330 MB of memory (was it trying to load the whole filesystem into memory?!) and stopped responding. I had to kill it, too.

Oh, and then I found out that uTorrent.exe was semi-frozen. Busily churning bits just moments before, it was now sitting blankly, vacantly, as if it got clobbered over the head with something heavy. When I closed it, the UI disappeared, but left behind the zombie process running. Another kill. Now, it may have been a coincidence. Then again, µTorrent had *never* crashed on my system before. Never. Not once in years. My wild guess is that it did not survive some of the TuneUp's new process-managing, smoothness-ensuring little games.

Speaking of unwanted programs... Maybe I would play my own silly game and turn the Turbo Mode on itself... Nice thought — if only it ran, rather than crash!

Time to bid TuneUp Utilities good-bye. Wish I had not spent all that money on upgrades, but for that I only have myself to blame.

(Windows XP SP2, running smoothly otherwise).


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Developer's Corner / Re: What's your Programming Language?
« Last post by tranglos on October 26, 2009, 12:56 PM »
Yay, language wars!   :onfire: :harhar: ::)
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Developer's Corner / Re: What's your Programming Language?
« Last post by tranglos on October 26, 2009, 12:50 PM »
javascript lends itself well to dynamic programming techniques that you might expect to need a Python or Ruby for.
None of these are programming languages.

I just threw an exception here. I think we're having a communication breakdown :)
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Developer's Corner / Re: What's your Programming Language?
« Last post by tranglos on October 26, 2009, 12:44 PM »
What bullshit are you referring to?
Like answering "Javascript" when you're asked for your favorite programming language.  :P

I for one learnd some respect for JavaScript when I saw how much of FireFox is implemented in it. It's a rich OO language with all the modern gizmos like first-class functions, iterators, closures and what-not.

I just can't come up with an idea for a worthwhile project to do in Python.
AFAIK you can use it for hacking and stuff. But that's not a good reason, is it?

"Hacking and stuff" is a little broad for a project description :) What I said was merely that of the applications I would like to write some day (because I need them and because they interest me), none is a good candidate for a beginner Python project. If you like to write server-side stuff, or command-line processing, or if your platform is Google or social networks or the web in general, then Python is probably an excellent choice. I'm just not interested in those things at all. My thing is strictly Windows desktop. (Literally. If I had come up with an idea for something like Twitter 5 years ago, I'd have abandoned it as entirely too boring. That's me.)

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Developer's Corner / Re: What's your Programming Language?
« Last post by tranglos on October 26, 2009, 11:41 AM »
Delphi all the way, from day one.

PHP is certainly effective. It took me about 30 minutes to write my first WordPress widget to show a random quote of the day. Then I went from almost zero knowledge to writing and debugging a simple template-based website generator in a week. But, from my initial encounter, it seems rather messy - names and parameters of library procedures seem to go every which way, moreso than Windows API :) I'm not sure I like the scoping rules, either - perhaps it's something that requires experience to appreciate. At the moment though, I wouldn't attempt writing anything very complex in PHP, because I'd be lost in no time.

Python, from what I've read and seen of the code, seems more "regular" and manageable. (Then again... no case statement?) I just can't come up with an idea for a worthwhile project to do in Python. Especially that for anything that needs a UI, nothing beats Delphi.

(There are ways to add Python scripting to a Delphi app, which seems like a winning combo to me. The only hitch is that most users won't bother to download and install a Python distribution, while VBScript and JavaScript are available on most Windows systems out of the box).
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