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I am arguing pointing out that without the ability to protect *any kind* of intellectual property the motivation for new creations/modifications will dissipate.

I believe that is an arguement that reality proves again and again to be false. Artists will always create, it's what they do. If you need convincing just look to opensource software.

I stand corrected.  I should have stated that differently as you are correct in your reply.  I should have been more specific in highlighting that without the "leeches" protecting their interests, how would the products get to you and me, unless we had some direct connection to the artist?

What the world no longer needs is the leeches like the music industry which produce nothing themselves, but simply 'manage' the artists works.

Again, no argument form me here.  As an over-the-road truck driver, I am all too familiar with the custom of middlemen (brokers and agents) taking an inordinate share of the pie.  As a case in point, I have a friend that is in Laredo TX waiting for his load to be shuttled accross the border and back.  The shipper is paying $500/day for as many days as it takes to finish the unloading.  The broker is taking a full quarter of that revenue as his cut!  If my friend sits 10 days the broker will get $1,250.00 for doing absolutely nothing.  My friend will only get 75%, eventhough he has all the expenses.  The custom of greed is universal.

Zaine's thread originally pointed out what a pain in the neck proprietary extensions are for the consumer.  We are the ones that hijacked the thread to include DRM, etc. since the subjects are akin to each other.  Like Zaine, I have also been inconvenienced and annoyed by these devices.  My perception as an answer to Zaine's offering is this, without these "pains," we (the public at large) would stop seeing products, songs, software, etc. keep coming down the pike as greedy executives observed their ROIs shrivel and evaporate.  If they can't see a new product as the pathway to their new yacht, chalet, big fat bonus, etc. do you think they will expend effort and resources in a philanthropic gesture of goodwill?
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But you are arguing in favor of DRM! Stop and read your own posts here.

Nope, your interpretation.  I am arguing pointing out that without the ability to protect *any kind* of intellectual property the motivation for new creations/modifications will dissipate.  DRM just happens to be the present whipping boy as a protective mech.  I am in total agreement that DRM was a knee-jerk reaction motivated by greed, just like all the ridiculous jurisdictional laws designed to fine truck drivers and the companies to enhance local and state "tax" revenues (sorry, I wandered a bit).  I will admit that as a developer/songwriter/composer myself, I do recognize the right/need to be able to maintain control over creations.

DRM, [fill in the blank], etc. has been the method chosen for protections of intellectual properties and will remain in force until the market's demands (as spoken through $$$, like f0dder accurately stated) brings about enough pressure to send them back to the drawing board.  Since this is unversal, we can turn the clock back or ahead and this same discussion would be right at home if we were discussing [fill in the blank].

And are you certain that pirating fomented DRM?  Methinks not!  The root cause was the fact that the recording industry was woefully unprepared for the digital availability of media files. Once again, they continued their long-standing history of not looking past the end of their last counted dollar and suddenly realized that their products could be made available on the Internet.  They could - and should - have reacted in their common capitalistic way and developed a method by which they made their media products available to the online community in a way that is beneficial to all.  They have ALL the songs, ALL the movies, in their arsenal and could have put it up for a fair price, and in an extremely convenient way for this new brand of consumers to purchase them.  Following "fair use" concepts at the same time.

Ok, I can give you most of that, but I am reminded of being in the Navy.  In the event of a massive leak, no one sits quietly or sends a request to the engineering department.  You grab whatever you can to at least slow the rushing torrent.  As you stated, the corpoate types saw a massive leak and "reacted."  Again, I can go along with most of this, but there are two points that are problematical...
  • Define: "fair price"
  • Define: "fair use"

Since each camp has different definitions for these concepts, the debate will rage. 

Instead their gut reaction was, "STOP THAT!!!"  And what did they spend a fortune doing?  Developing more and more DRM methods, contracting with hackers to hack the servers of those sharing the media files (That's for real! They were caught doing exactly that!), and then filing lawsuits against every person they could find that they even remotely suspected was sharing media files online!
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No, I disagree, CodeTrucker...  'twas pure, unadulterated greed that fomented DRM, and thus large-scale pirating of their precious cargo.

I absolutely agree it is greed that was/is the problem. 
Greed on the one side trying to grab as much $$$$ they can get whilst letting go as little product as possible.
Greed,  the other side trying to grab all the product they can get whilst letting go as little $$$$$$ as possible. 
It all depends on which side of the fence you are on.

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Q: As a "for instance" (albeit, extreme example), what would be the result of everyone not feeling any qualms about acquiring pirated songs? 
A: There would be no new music.  We would all just enjoy "oldies" because that would be all there was available.

OK by me - I, for one, just love the oldies!  ;D ;D   8)
...
Jim

Somehow I knew I had a kindred spirit out there!  I was thinking the same thing when I typed that. ;)
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General Software Discussion / Re: Apps won't open?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 24, 2008, 08:08 PM »
I am getting more odd behavior...

Tried to uninstall Moneydance and UVC.  Moneydance will NOT uninstall, even from Vista Add/Remove.  It exhibits the same behavior as executing the prog... the mouse goes busy for a second and nothing.  As far as UV, when attempting to remove the shorcut icon from the Desktop, Vista tells me that it doesn't exist.  Not that the program doesn't exist, but the shortcut doesn't exist, eventhough I am sitting here looking at it.  Weird.

cmpm - thanks for the link.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Apps won't open?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 24, 2008, 07:32 PM »
Phill and cmpm... no dice.  The JavaRa funcioned as expected, but my execs will still not open.  :(
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I can appreciate your's and Zaine's frustration with badly implemented necessary ideas.  These frustrations are shared by myself and millions of others.  I also recognize the implications of greed, but as we live in a "real world" the idea of going to more concerts is very appealing, except when you are wide-awake at 3:AM and want to enjoy some tunes.

Your previous points are well taken, though.  Supply and Demand will rule.  When Demand dictates what is to be Supplied, there will be significant changes.  Until then we have to exist with what is available.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Apps won't open?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 24, 2008, 06:34 PM »
JavaRa anyone?

JavaRa is a small program that checks for updates of the Java JRE and removes old potentially vulnerable versions. Simply click "Check for Updates" or "Remove Older Versions" to start the process.
(see attachment in previous post)
JavaRa is an excellent tiny tool, free and open-source.
Read me
Forums
Download

Thanks, Phill  :Thmbsup:
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General Software Discussion / Re: Apps won't open?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 24, 2008, 06:33 PM »
Interesting Phill! I'd never seen such thing.
Have you succesfuly solved any java-related problem with it? Does it really work?

I can't answer for Phill, but since if I can't get my progs working, it's re-image time.  I'll let you know it turns out.

<Calvin takes deep breath, holds nose and jumps from the high-dive>
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Small price to pay? Keep the R&D pumps churning?

I don't really agree. I'm doing my best to stay away from any media that involves DRM. If I end up not being able to purchase music any longer, I won't - and I won't feel bad about downloading pirated versions, either. If the companies want to hurt the consumers, we should hurt them back... and the only way to do that involves cash... or rather, the lack of it.

Right.  I'm not arguing in favor of DRM or any other lame (nuisance) device.  A point here is that it was the very pirating of products that fomented the DRM and their ilk in the first place. 

As a producer yourself (music or software - it doesn't matter), if you had no way of protecting yourself against having your work pilfered, essentially acquiring the monies for theives that should have made it to your bank account, there would be no incentive for you to extend your efforts to make the next greatest [fill in the blank].

While proprietary extensions and security devices are clunky, annoying, etc., they are still a vital part of our future enjoyment. 

Q: As a "for instance" (albeit, extreme example), what would be the result of everyone not feeling any qualms about acquiring pirated songs? 
A: There would be no new music.  We would all just enjoy "oldies" because that would be all there was available.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Apps won't open?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 24, 2008, 05:42 PM »
Looks like something was corrupted, but by what?

C:\Users\CJWVISTA>java -jar c:\progra~1\moneydance07\moneydance.jar
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError
        at javax.swing.JPanel.updateUI(Unknown Source)
        at javax.swing.JPanel.<init>(Unknown Source)
        at javax.swing.JPanel.<init>(Unknown Source)
        at javax.swing.JPanel.<init>(Unknown Source)
        at javax.swing.JRootPane.createGlassPane(Unknown Source)
        at javax.swing.JRootPane.<init>(Unknown Source)
        at javax.swing.JFrame.createRootPane(Unknown Source)
        at javax.swing.JFrame.frameInit(Unknown Source)
        at javax.swing.JFrame.<init>(Unknown Source)
        at com.moneydance.apps.md.controller.Main.initializeApp(Main.java:278)
        at com.moneydance.apps.md.controller.Main.main(Main.java:189)
        at Moneydance.main(Moneydance.java:7)
Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: -167772160 incompatible with Text
-specific LCD contrast key
        at java.awt.RenderingHints.put(Unknown Source)
        at sun.awt.windows.WDesktopProperties.getDesktopAAHints(Unknown Source)
        at sun.awt.windows.WToolkit.getDesktopAAHints(Unknown Source)
        at sun.awt.SunToolkit.getDesktopFontHints(Unknown Source)
        at sun.awt.windows.WDesktopProperties.setDesktopAAHints(Unknown Source)
        at sun.awt.windows.WToolkit.initializeDesktopProperties(Unknown Source)
        at java.awt.Toolkit.getDesktopProperty(Unknown Source)
        at javax.swing.UIManager.<clinit>(Unknown Source)
        ... 12 more

C:\Users\CJWVISTA>
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General Software Discussion / Re: Apps won't open?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 24, 2008, 05:28 PM »
Problems with Java, maybe? Try to launch the programs from the commandline (if they're being executed from .JAR files), using "java -jar <filename>.jar", or reinstall the JRE.

I've already installed the JRE, but will try the cmd line suggestion and get back.  A question in general is what is Windows actually doing when it is not opening an exec?
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I don't like the greed associated with the various "protections," but without the ability to maintain a modicum of security over intellectual property, R&D would die. 

Isn't it the ability to exercise control over the result of proprietary investment (ROI) the very impetus for additional R&D?  If the ability to protect a "better mousetrap" is constrained there is little motivation to design even a better mousetrap, let alone bring it to production.

While DRM, etc is not desirable, until a better protection entity is established for the products, it is a small price to pay to keep the R&D pumps of creative ingenuity churning.   
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Given the magnitude of the effort and resources required to apprehend the desperados, it would appear that what the MPAA, etc. is really after is the threat of a very big stick.

Given the costs associated and the miniscule damages that could be extorted from the average individual, ROI would be veritably non-existent.  To be sure, the MPAA, etc. will make some examples of the unfortunates that get targeted in multi-million dollar suits, but the primary objective is sensational intimidation to scare away any would-be criminals since actual litigatorial actions against every offender is untenable, if not impossible.
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General Software Discussion / Apps won't open?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 24, 2008, 12:44 PM »
I have two apps that have just stopped opening on my HP Laptop 3GB RAM Vista 32 Home Premium...

Both are Java-based apps, I believe.  When I try to execute the apps the "busy" mouse shows for a second and then... nothing. 
No other programs seem to have this issue.  What can cause this?

FYI - XoftSpy and Avast! show no malware.  Also, no problem opening Open Office.

<edits>

 
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Best E-mail Client / Re: Seriously, what is MicroEd good for?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 23, 2008, 05:14 PM »
From the FWIW Department (Dinosaur Division[Graphics Unit])...

Back when I first started my computing career (not that long ago, really) ASCII Art was not a fad or hobby, it was a necessity.  It was quite common to create graphics in simple ASCII chars to make eye-grabbing reports if for no other reason than to make office life less boring and robotic.  While I can appreciate Ross's standard of dicipline with the two-piece suits, white shirts and skinny black ties, I found the flat-top, burr haircuts a little much.  The plain standard project "report" that was the result of this structiured dicipline was about as desirable as a lump of cold mashed potatoes.  The shop I worked in was populated with a fun group of folks.  Anyway, having a free-caret functionality like in MicroEd would have been a right handy tool!  :-*

[Disclaimer - the preceeding ramblings from a COBOL veteran should be viewed with nostalgia :P]
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Best E-mail Client / Re: Seriously, what is MicroEd good for?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 18, 2008, 10:26 PM »
Sounds like a keystroke toggle or button would be a nice addition.  Default off/on per user requirement, but a toggle-the-function-when-needed button would solve the issue.  Given the advantage of a free caret in writing tables, this would make the whole usefulness of MicroEd rise to the top if one didn't have to dredge through the preferences/options to turn it off/on, at least for me.   Would this make it more attractive to you?

Sounds good to me.  But there's already a quick toggle on the bottom of the message window where you can select between microed and regular windows (and html I think).  I just use the regular plain windows setting.  Without the free caret, what's so great about microed?  Wouldn't it be the same as the plain windows setting?

I am afraid that I don't understand what it is you are saying?  When I use the MicroEd setting I am able to accomplish things that are majorly laborious (IMO) in Plain Text mode.  Unless I am missing something, MicroEd does what the other settings can't.  By way of expressing my thoughts, here is an experiment...
Try attempting to create a table in Plain Text or better yet try an artistic hand at creating an ASCII picture in Plain Text mode.   This would be a significant undertaking outside of MicroEd, unless maybe there is a free-caret function in plain 'ol Windows I have never been aware of?

Apparently someone smarter than me will have to attempt to expound on whatever other virtues MicroEd holds outside of my own puny experience.   Good luck!

Regardless what the outcome of this thread  will be, I am very grateful that you posted as I was unaware of the short-cut that already exists.  This is a real boon to my productivity.  :Thmbsup:
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Best E-mail Client / Re: Seriously, what is MicroEd good for?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 18, 2008, 01:31 AM »
Sounds like a keystroke toggle or button would be a nice addition.  Default off/on per user requirement, but a toggle-the-function-when-needed button would solve the issue.  Given the advantage of a free caret in writing tables, this would make the whole usefulness of MicroEd rise to the top if one didn't have to dredge through the preferences/options to turn it off/on, at least for me.   Would this make it more attractive to you?

Edit - Corrections
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General Software Discussion / Re: Best duplicate finder in email client?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 17, 2008, 12:31 AM »
Nice to see you back, Codetrucker  :Thmbsup:

I tried a MapiLabs application a couple of years ago to remove duplicates from my Outlook pst (pretty sure I was running Outlook 2000 at the time). It worked well, but it was as scary as some of the less feature-rich duplicate finders I've tried in that it was hard to determine what I was deleting and from where...

Might be worth a look now, though. I know the MapiLabs add-ins are fairly well thought of. This, of course, assumes that you're using Outlook as your e-mail client...

Thanks for the welcome and the reply, but no Outlook here.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Best duplicate finder in email client?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 17, 2008, 12:13 AM »
For Thunderbird, (I actually use Portable Thunderbird), the addon Remove Duplicate Messages.

You can compare on various things, (see attached), and choose by default which it will delete - although it displays a list afterwards to allow you to manually (de)select emails.
I recall using this in TB, but seems like I had a reason that provoked me to abandon it?  Can't remember right now.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Best duplicate finder in email client?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 17, 2008, 12:11 AM »
Not sure how well any dupe finder would work in an email client since emails tend to be threaded and therefore the actual quantity of dupes (in a text comparison) would be very, very low.  This is one of those tools that I would be very careful in running and really have a good understanding of the rules at which dupes are being determined.

Wise counsel.  I'll take heed.
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Living Room / CAD as artistic expression turned into a business
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 16, 2008, 09:22 PM »
Textual Creations is is a site where a man found an outlet of artistic expression through the use of CAD, specifically TurboCAD.  Since I first discovered his site (see below) he has become quite an instructor and now makes a living in enjoying his recognized talent and just plain hard work.  He is also something of an author, but I've never read him.  I've just enjoyed looking at the pictures and being provoked toward my own artistic bents.

His name is Don Cheke from Canada, eh, and his site is Textual Creations.

FYI - While he does "sell" his work and services, this is no way spam as I receive nothing from offering this except the satisfaction of sharing a success story.  :)

Enjoy!

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General Software Discussion / Best duplicate finder in email client?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 16, 2008, 08:15 PM »
Either the client, add-on or as a stand-alone helper app, what's the best you've found to get rid of dupes ammased over the years?

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Best E-mail Client / Re: Seriously, what is MicroEd good for?
« Last post by CodeTRUCKER on June 16, 2008, 06:54 PM »
I realize that this has been dormant, but I saw no reponses so I'll take a crack at it...

From TheBAT! help files...

MicroEd creates simple plain text messages, which can be opened and read by every e-mail program. Only fixed-pitch fonts (like Courier) are allowed.

It uses the free caret approach allowing you to place the cursor wherever you want and start typing. This is especially useful to create tables, hanging paragraphs and formatted text.

(emphasis mine).

For me creating the tables is the most useful as I find it necessary to send something like an itemized quote, etc. 

Maybe not "... so great," but useful at times.

<edits>
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I'm one of those people still living in the past i guess.. I like having control of my files, and I have no intention of switching from a local pc client to web based email.

The one area where web-based email really shines, in my opinion, is when you are traveling.

Would something like GoToMyPC allow one to have one's cake and eat it too? 
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Hey Allen,

Thanks for the comeback.  I've been sparse on my visits here and just recently saw the reply. 

DateBk6 is great!  Small fast and dependable.  Pimlico apparently understands the wisdom in "not reinventing the wheel."  I'll stick with this one for a while.

I have used Poco in the recent past, but once I was using it and all ~25,000 emails just vanished!  :o  Everything I tried wouldn't bring them back until one time when I reopened Poco all 25K were there again. :huh:  As you can imagine, I lost confidence and began looking elsewhere for a client, but for me, the whole reason for keeping emails is as a database and Poco's find-as-you-type feature takes the prize.  Since my emails are backed up I might give it another try.  Although Poco did the hocus-pocus-abracadabra thing, AFAICT not one email was corrupted or lost.  I just wish Slaven would pick up the development on some improvements I've read about.

FWIW - your new avatar is dashing and I am glad to see the Prawn is resurrected.  I take it, JARDAY is someone quite close to your person?
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On a scale of 1-10 (10 = highest) I have to say I have only been inconvenienced to a level three, but I certainly understand inequities like Carol pointed out.

There are a lot of really bright folks here that comprise a vast resource for creativity and a pool of supply.  Is it out of the realms of probability that the likes of us could come up with a solution?  The way I see it, someone will come up with a solution.  Why can't that someone be us? 

The forum itself would be a terrific test bed once there was something to try.   
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