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Living Room / Re: DOTCOM saga - updates
« Last post by IainB on June 30, 2012, 05:04 PM »@TaoPhoenix:
^ +1 Very droll. Loved it.
^ +1 Very droll. Loved it.


...who would be expected to pay damages if awarded?Well, as it has already been formally adjudged by the High Court judicary to be an illegal action, then I would presume the NZ government should offer to pay reparations, rather than that they have to be taken to court to oblige them to part with monies under some kind of civil action for committing what could be a criminal offence - i.e., illegal breaking and entering, false imprisonment, destruction and taking of property and business assets, with weapons and major intimidation thrown in for good measure - which crimes at least in part could go under the definition of "Home invasion" under NZ law.-tomos (June 30, 2012, 04:25 AM)
Police officer: "We're not going to let these types of people take over and have us scared in our own homes."No wonder there are 70% "Furious" readers on the thermometer in the screenshot below:
Commenter: "No, instead you're going to have innocent citizens that you're sworn to serve and to protect be scared in their own homes."
...Also the above identifies a bug - what's the response from the authors?Oops, I don't think we had identified a bug in HDS.-peterlonz (June 30, 2012, 02:00 AM)
Insincerity BS: US smaller allies are the US' "best/closest allies, and punch above their weight".-IainB (April 25, 2012, 10:34 AM)
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...My little rant wasn't really directed at the US criminals. Everyone knows the US is a terrorist police state. My rant was directed at the NZ officials that were responsible for cooperating with the US terrorists, which they are -- just ask any upload site owner that shut down if they were left in terror after MegaUpload was summarily executed. And yes - it was a summary execution. There was no trial and MegaUpload was completely destroyed in a day.
So what does this say about the NZ willingness to cooperate with terrorists? They went along with it all...
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...It's shameful. And they must be held to account for what they did for there to be justice. The "law" cannot be above the law.
...-Renegade (June 29, 2012, 08:48 PM)
http://en.wikipedia....ow_Warrior#Aftermath
After the bombing, the New Zealand Police started one of the country's largest police investigations. Most of the agents escaped New Zealand but two, Captain Dominique Prieur and Commander Alain Mafart – posing as married couple 'Sophie and Alain Turenge' and having Swiss passports – were identified as possible suspects with the help of a Neighborhood Watch group, and were arrested. Both were questioned and investigated, and their true identities were uncovered, along with the French government's responsibility. Both agents pleaded guilty to manslaughter and were sentenced to 10 years imprisonment on November 22, 1985.
France threatened an economic embargo of New Zealand's exports to the European Economic Community if the pair was not released.[3] Such an action would have crippled the New Zealand economy, which was dependent on agricultural exports to Britain.
Hao atoll
In June 1986, in a political deal with Prime Minister of New Zealand David Lange and presided over by United Nations Secretary-General Javier Pérez de Cuéllar, France agreed to pay NZ$13 million (USD$6.5 million) to New Zealand and apologise, in return for which Alain Mafart and Dominique Prieur would be detained at the French military base on Hao Atoll for three years. However, the two agents had both returned to France by May 1988, after less than two years on the atoll.
They completely destroyed Megaupload. It's gone. It will NEVER recover. Other sites have been shutting down in mass numbers because they're all scared to shit of the same thing happening to them. Megaupload was the first summary execution.Agreed. They never gave a damn if the charges would "stick" ... They just wanted to sit back and watch the Shock and Awe ripple effect. The Italians did the same type of thing in Chicago back in the 40s. But the Feds thought that was criminal.-Renegade (June 28, 2012, 11:01 AM)-Stoic Joker (June 28, 2012, 11:48 AM)
I missed seeing the NZ TV3 programme when it aired, so watched it tonight on replay video:
Kim Dotcom's head of security, Wayne Tempero, walks John Campbell through the events on January 20 in a global TV exclusive.
Campbell Live enters Kim Dotcom's Coatesville mansion - Video
Campbell Live talks to Assistant Police Commissioner Malcolm Burgess, who signed off on the Dotcom police operation:
Police defend actions during Dotcom raid - Video
It doesn't make sense. I have the highest regard for the integrity of the NZ Defence and police people that I have had the opportunity to work with over the years. I feel sure there must be a lot more behind the charges against Mr Dotcom and possibly others, for the police to have acted in the way they did. For all we know, the police may be prohibited from telling us what it is.
"There were 70-odd officers distributed across a number of properties, executing up to 10 search warrants during the course of the day...
...There were 20 or 30 [officers] initially [at Dotcom's property] to seize the place..."-IainB (February 08, 2012, 03:38 AM)
"...who today ripped the "invalid" warrant and the subsequent search and seizure in a 56-page decision." per arstechnica - here.- would apparently confirm that, as the arstechnica post put it, the raid:
"...was also totally illegal."
From Gervase Markham's story:Yup... that's what I meant/said earlier.The email instead goes to my Facebook inbox, and I don't get a notification email to say it's there.So this is why Facebook introduced it: They want you to go to their site to check for email. They don't want to send the messages to your email and have you interact there, they don't want you to use a search engine to find content, and they don't want you to use forums and instant messages to talk to people. They don't want you ever to get the idea to leave the site.-justice (June 28, 2012, 03:49 AM)-wraith808 (June 28, 2012, 11:26 AM)
They don't want you ever to get the idea to leave the site.- it must leave a lot of people wondering.
Finally someone explained to me wtf this whole thing was actually about, thank you.I could be wrong, of course, but I'm not so sure it's that simple.
Since it's such a short explanation let's just recap it here:
...-mouser (June 28, 2012, 06:52 AM)
And, following the seemingly excessively violent and over-the-top Dotcom New Zealand police raid at the behest of the US authorities, and the US apparently potentially illegal(?) takedown of the Dotcom business, there's this:
Kim Dotcom - John Banks Song
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8CvRSZxqk_I[youtube]
Apparently, John Banks (who is head of the NZ ACT political party) seems to have "forgotten all about" (amongst other things) having asked for Dotcom to split his donation to the party into 2 x $25,000 "anonymous" cheques, so as to avoid having to declare them as a $50,000 donation from a defined benefactor during the elections, or something. Wouldn't pass muster as being legit in an audit. Probably would have broken some elections laws there, if it were true.
This is a good rap song! - valid political comment using the contemporary musical idiom.
According to Ars technica in their post Kim Dotcom lampoons New Zealand MP in his new rap song, the rap was made using the Black Eyed Peas' Printz Board.
from Ars technica:Last Friday, Prime Minister John Key denied any knowledge of Dotcom "until the day before the raids even though his senior ministers, a string of senior civil servants, and his own electorate staff were involved in matters relating to him. It has emerged that staff in the Prime Minister's own department were aware of Dotcom and his bid through the Overseas Investment Office to buy the mansion in which he lived with his family."-IainB (May 07, 2012, 10:30 PM)
Thursday, 28 June 2012, 6:20 pm
Article: Businesswire
Kim Dotcom wins court challenge that police action unlawful
June 28 (BusinessDesk) - Kim Dotcom, founder of the Megaupload website being pursued by US authorities for multiple copyright breaches, has won a challenge to the legality of police searches in New Zealand.
Judge Helen Winkelmann ruled that the warrants used were too broad and thus invalid and the search and seizure illegal. Also unlawful was the release to the Federal Bureau of Investigation of ‘clones’ of harddrives that were seized.
He would hear from counsel before deciding on relief for the plaintiffs – Dotcom, Finn Batato, Mathias Ortmann and Bram van der Kolk – who sought return of hard-drives among their demands.
Dotcom is accused by US authorities of some US$500 million of copyright breaches. The US has sought to extradite Dotcom, who has been allowed by New Zealand authorities to return to his mansion north of Auckland.
(BusinessDesk)
Lifehacker got it from Forbes, and Forbes got it from Gervase Markham.Yes, both provide interesting links/discussions. Well worth a read.
http://blog.gerv.net...facebook-email-mitm/-TaoPhoenix (June 27, 2012, 06:52 AM)
They're just trying to cull out the last of the few people there left with an ounce of common sense so the rest can be quietly volunteeded (via EULA update) to participate in testing of their new Soylent Green line of products.Har-de-har-har. Very droll.-Stoic Joker (June 26, 2012, 11:26 AM)
Priceless moments:![]()
Girl #1: [With rapturous face and words, rolling her eyes in joy]
There's massive quantities of highly technical information [translation: "I don't understand a word of it"]..it's still highly enjoyable...because of his pacing [eyes go madly wide for a few moments - could it be love?] ...and phrasing and the analogies...". (Yep, now it all makes sense.)
Girl #2: [With rapturous face and words, rolling her eyes in joy]
"There's this absolute connection^ between spirit and science [waves her hand vaguely about in the air to demonstrate] ...and they were all the same thing!.. and...to have someone give me the words...to explain that...[rolls eyes upwards in wonderment] is just...amazing!"[/b] (Yep, this all makes sense too.)[/i]
By the way, I put the little "^" in after connection because it's said in a rising tone. Reminded me of Family Guy show: Whistle While Your Wife Works:
Series 5 - episode 5/18 :
Peter badly injures his hand while Brian gets a dumb blonde girlfriend and Stewie urges him to dump her.
From <http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mh4j/episodes/guide>Stewie: All right, Brian, you can do this. You can dump her, because once it's done, never again will you have to listen to her talk like this? You know, where everything has a question mark at the end of it? With an upward inflection? At the end of every sentence?
Brian: Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking? Oh, dammit, now I'm doing it too!-IainB (June 27, 2012, 01:08 AM)
...He wrote what he wrote, and meant what he meant...Hear, hear.-wraith808 (June 26, 2012, 01:06 PM)
You must not name a horrific crime against humanity for what it was.
Interested, I had to spend a bit of time googling this. Hard info seems scarce for some reason. I came up lots of info on Uganda, but only general feel-good stuff like this direct reference:An Apple Fanboy post being made on DC (realtime reaction):Interesting. That's a LiveLeaks vid: That's what happens if a box of garbage falls into a volcano lake
http://www.liveleak....iew?i=a94_1340566754-nosh (June 25, 2012, 05:22 AM)
Couldn't we dispose of all our garbage like this?-IainB (June 25, 2012, 09:54 AM)
There was a company some time back that Inc. Magazine wrote up that was going to introduce a new type of incinerator. It used a superheated molten metal core. It supposedly incinerated just about anything put into it with virtually no residue or pollution since the burn was so complete. Wonder whatever happened to it...-40hz (June 26, 2012, 06:15 AM)
The country has largely untapped reserves of both crude oil and natural gas.There would presumably be a reason for a poverty-ridden country keeping all that potentially realisable fossil fuel-energy wealth stuck under the ground, but one can only speculate what that might be.
This is going to be a disaster for Facebook with a lot of people closing their accounts and going elsewhere. Just a matter of time, now.Yes, you could well be proven right.-app103 (June 26, 2012, 01:51 AM)