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I suppose it's a case of the right tool for the right job.

Exactly... I really need everything Bvckup offers. Versioning will make it mostly complete as far as I'm concerned.
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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: Bvckup
« Last post by Armando on October 18, 2010, 07:42 PM »

@Perry Mowbray / apankrat : Of course, this (postpone deletion) would be only complementary as it doesn't replace versioning, at all. It was only a solution for unwanted deletions for those who, for some reasons wouldn't want versioning but still keep some control over what gets deleted or not.

Another solution is to allow the user to insert some file/directory masks to indicate for what files/folders should the program should always ask for deletion confirmation (not renaming or moving, of course...).
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Living Room / Re: Desktop Linux: The dream is dead
« Last post by Armando on October 18, 2010, 07:25 PM »
"Great" title. The article isn't that bad, but the title is soooooo childish.
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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: Bvckup
« Last post by Armando on October 18, 2010, 05:28 PM »
Other (completely different) approach to that problem: postpone any deletions (user specifies the time).
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Thanks for the link.
Not portable... And doesn't seem like it can do partial file updating, copy open files or detect renamed/moved files/folders though.
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This is really weird. You're on Vista or Windows 7 ?
In any case, If I was you I'd rename/delete the WDS index folder before going to bed, see if it recreates another one during the night. Unless there's an option to start from scratch (before going to bed too, of course.  :))
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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: Bvckup
« Last post by Armando on October 18, 2010, 02:52 PM »
I'd hate to think it could miss out on a file like in version # 3 :-\   (wonder how SFFS  approaches this...)

I' almost sure that SFFS approaches this as in version #3. If you check the help file, Tobias explains how it's done. SyncToy  works the same.

However, that doesn't mean that SFFS wouldn't backup the file, it only means that it would back it up fully instead of just moving it/renaming it.
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Developer's Corner / Re: Web Debate: Give Us Simplicity So We Can Ignore You
« Last post by Armando on October 18, 2010, 02:47 PM »
Keeping it simple is a major uphill battle.

Agreed, and for almost everything (in life...). Trying to keep things as simple as possible AND both functional and relatively flexible is the hardest thing.

That said, for software I usually don't mind "large" amount of features/parameters. If it's well implemented and "that complexity" can be managed with "relative simplicity". Of course this needs to be proportional to the results obtained with the software. Sometimes it's not...

So in the end I'm looking at the feature list.... not so much at the amount of features, but if the features I need are there, well implemented and easy to use. Sometimes I'll want many things integrated in one package, other times I won't mind splitting the features into several little software if those can play well together -- however, this is often a problem and it adds even more complexity than using only one more complex software.


Anyway, I guess I'm just stating the obvious...
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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: Bvckup
« Last post by Armando on October 18, 2010, 01:42 PM »
@apankrat - Very interesting. Yes,  they must be doing #3.
Thanks a lot for the details. I'll be very happy to test the new version. That type of detection is great in general, but especially for those copying files over a network.
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That's a significant difference !  :)
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Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: Bvckup (Beta) :: A first look review.
« Last post by Armando on October 17, 2010, 08:11 PM »
Thanks Stephen ! Bvckup is indeed fast. I won't post other numbers yet, but the last backup I performed was 2-3x faster than 2 other very good sync/backup  solutions. For a fast and no fuss syncing/backup solution with some sophisticated features thrown into the mix (copies locked files, uses delta technology), it's great. I'm still benchmarking a few others, but this might just stay on my computer for everyday usage.

[EDIT]I also realized that Bvckup shows its speed more obviously for larger amount of data.[/EDIT]
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General Software Discussion / Re: Anyone familiar with Oops!Backup?
« Last post by Armando on October 17, 2010, 07:57 PM »
Thanks Curt ! Yes, Julian (form the Altaro team) is a nice person and he took the time to answer thoroughly.  :up:
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General Software Discussion / Re: Anyone familiar with Oops!Backup?
« Last post by Armando on October 17, 2010, 01:17 PM »
Yes, it was a pretty long exchange. We'll see if something happens because of it. As far as I'm concerned, there are 3 things that finally mean that I won't be using it (but I don't think I'm a "typical" user -- more geeky than most, I have very specific needs and high expectations)... At least until the next version :

- RAM usage (... Especially that this software needs to be always ON to be useful)
- Inflexibility of some features (the "special folder" case which will fill up your hard drive in a flash if you're not careful)
- Can't store older version instead of just deleting them... but that's just a consquence of the technology used. It as good and bad aspects.

However, my girlfriend is interested... So is my daughter.  :)
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Well, I mostly compared syncing utilities here, not "versioning" ones. I think Versioning should be kept separate as far as "benchmarking" is concerned. (I mentioned versioning as this is important to me, in general. I didn't try FileHamster (yet) as some find it consumes excessive RAM. AutoVer is light and does what I need... It surely has less features, but... It's free and seems to work well after a few days of usage.)
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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: Bvckup
« Last post by Armando on October 16, 2010, 04:14 PM »
Going to be testing this utility over the next few hours as I need to transfer a lot of files over to my wifes laptop and also my backup drives and onto one of my VPS's

Hopefully this will be a great little utility and I will be reviewing my time spent on it.

My initial review will be available in the Mini-Review section here on DC within the next 24 hours.

Cool ! Don't forget that it's in beta and so some features are missing...  ;)
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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: Bvckup
« Last post by Armando on October 16, 2010, 11:17 AM »
If anyone's interested, I have reworked the opening post of this thread into a Tell Me More page on the program's website. Had to tone it down a bit though...

I think it's excellent. If I find anything to say, I'll post it here... :)
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General Software Discussion / Re: How to quickly autonumber text lists?
« Last post by Armando on October 16, 2010, 11:07 AM »
Hi Aram.
This looks a bit like what IQ does at the moment. I'll suggest Pierre to also implement the prefix and suffix parameters, which should be trivial to do, but only for text fields. Not possible for number fields.
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You're actually right ! I was sick yesterday so was looking for something constructive (but not too intellectually demanding) to do with my "free time".  8)
Like I said, I decided to clear that question once and for... Well at least for a while. My backups aren't optimal (in terms of speed and versioning especially), and I have a laptop which I don't leave open all the time (i.e. : At night). Most of the time, they take too long, and it's annoying.
The next thing for me to decide, is how I'm going to take care of the versioning aspect.
I'm currently using AutoVer for a few folders where I really want to keep all versions.
I might replace that with Oops!Backup which I just purchased... But the big problem is that Oops takes 150MB of RAM at all time, which is a bit obscene IMO (the developer(s)/Oops team members don't seem to think so and I couldn't convince them... I guess that they're coding on an 8+gb system).
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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Zoner Photo Studio Free
« Last post by Armando on October 15, 2010, 09:45 PM »
hmmm... Nice. Thanks Lutz_.
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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: Bvckup
« Last post by Armando on October 15, 2010, 09:34 PM »
@Armando - rename/move detection is on my ToDo list, it has been suggested before and I think it's a great feature to have. I will see what I can do... perhaps over the weekend ;)

With regards to further improving speed - there is a number of things that bvckup doesn't currently do, and that I am going to tackle in a bit. Specifically, the bypass of OS cache, using one IO thread per device, etc. That's why it is still in beta.

Nice to hear. Yes, I know it's in beta... But what a beta !  :)

I'm still testing it (almost all day today), and even if it's in beta it's probably still faster than most, globally, on most backup jobs.
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More numbers. Full backup this time, but the second sync, when files changes reasonably piled up a bit.


1st Try.

Same time interval between both syncs (more or less 30s-1min), but not started at the same time, obviously. # Modified and copied files appear to be very similar, as you'll see
Bvckup is way faster. I really wonder why Syncback was so slow, but I know I experience this very often... And I'm a bit tired of it. (Note that it's configured to be as fast as possible.)

   Bvckup
2010.10.15 13:35:32 completed in 9 minutes 11 seconds with 0 errors, copied 2701 MB out of 3977 MB in 105 files

   SyncBack
Profile Start Time    2010-10-15 13:36:15    Profile End Time    2010-10-15 14:05:59 (29 minutes, 43 seconds)

Files Changed    105
Deleted    51
Copied    54
Copied/Moved    4 072 521.43 KBytes





2nd Try.  
This test is less precise, but Bvckup was still faster, with more data to transfer.


Bvckup

2010.10.15 19:47:42  completed in 10 minutes 13 seconds with 0 errors, copied 3282 MB out of 5133 MB in 82 files


SyncBack
Profile Start Time    2010-10-15 20:49:54    Profile End Time    2010-10-15 21:08:51 (18 minutes, 57 seconds)

Deleted    4
Copied    74
Copied/Moved    2 877 343.95 KBytes
Files Changed    78

Next, when I'll have the time I'll try SFFS, as Tobias generously extended my trial for some debugging.
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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: Bvckup
« Last post by Armando on October 15, 2010, 06:20 PM »
Posted the results of my tests there

Thanks.
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I backup/Sync my files everyday, sometimes several times a day. Hence, speed and space has become a concern.

I did some "loose benchmarking" today. Here are some results.



"Methodology" (if there's such a thing in this experiment):

- Created a backup job which basically syncs a bunch of big files (750 MB, 470 MB, etc.) and a few smaller ones.
- I tried to configure all programs so that they perform as fast as possible, and I did include the delta copying on software offering it + caching of files on database when available.
- All Programs are copying files and folders to the same External hard drive (USB 2)

Red : slow compared to others    Bold and black : Fast compared to others.

NOTE THAT BVCKUP IS STILL IN BETA.


1   Initial Run   

   Not sure why Super Flexible File Synchronizer took longer here. SyncBack is real fast in that test.   

   SyncBack   00:02:16
   SyncToy   00:03:02
   Bvckup   00:03:07
   SFFS           00:03:25


2   I then renamed all the folders to be backed up.   

   SFFS and SyncToy are able to rename folders and files, so they are incredibly fast in this test.   

   SFFS           00:00:00
   SyncToy   00:00:00

   SyncBack   00:02:25
   Bvckup   00:03:05


3   I then renamed a couple bigger files.   

   Again : SFFS and SyncToy are able to rename folders and files, so they are incredibly fast in this test.   

   SyncToy   00:00:00
   SFFS           00:00:00

   SyncBack   00:01:50
   Bvckup   00:02:11


4   Added a new 464 MB text file   to the folder

   SyncToy is the fastest, here, SFFS is pretty slow. Not sure why, again (like in test 1)   

   SyncToy    00:00:28
   SyncBack    00:00:32
   Bvckup    00:00:33
   SFFS            00:00:39


5   I then modified the content of the 464MB text file to see how Delta copying would affect performance   

   SFFS and Bvckup are clearly faster here. Must say that in most test I did, Bvckup is faster than SFFS. I tried changing some parameters in SFFS to make it faster, but it was never as fast, except in a few test. I tried to use the  "Use Cache Database For Source" but I got weird results...   

   Bvckup   00:00:13
   SFFS           00:00:13

   SyncToy   00:00:28
   SyncBack   00:00:28


6   Made modifications to the 464 MB file and then left it open and tried to copy it.   

   Bvckup is clearly the fastest in this test, like I suggested in #5.    

   Bvckup   00:00:05
   SFFS           00:00:19
   SyncBack   00:00:37
   SyncToy   Nothing was copied



Some thoughts...

As you see, they all have some problems in some situations...

- SFFS is probably the most rounded of the bunch, albeit a tad slow for some rather simple copying tasks.

- SyncToy I won't loose sleep waiting for it to include delta copying and use of VSS. But, it's pretty quick other wise... I you close all files before backup, and don't modify big files too often. And don't care about versioning etc. (which I haven't tested anyway)

- SyncBack is good, but lacks 2 very important features IMO : awareness of file/folder renaming/moving and delta copying.

- Bvckup (BETA) is probably the one with the most potential. It's generally quick, but ignores file/folder renaming/moving

I could've tested Oops!backup, But lacked space and time. Maybe next time. I'd be very surprised if it was that fast for pure syncing though as it 1) always fully backups modified files, 2) and copy the "reverse delta" portion of the file somewhere else. Oops! doesn't seem great when you work with video and music : hard drive quickly fills up if you want to keep a fair amount of versions.... I should do more testing though

IMO, if Bvckup could manage file/folder name changes, file/folder moves, etc. it might be the most interesting of the bunch. Surely, the Delta copying implementation is better than SFFS. But... Still a few things missing as it's beta.

 :)
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Thanks for the Archivarius advice.

What you could try for WDS 4 is simply... Rename the current index, and let WDS create another one... I'm pretty sure that would woork.
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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: Bvckup
« Last post by Armando on October 15, 2010, 02:00 PM »
I did some more tests.

Bvckp is usually faster than SyncBack here, but not that much, depending on the types of files copied.
Sometimes it can even be slower. But I haven't tested anything over a network.

apankrat : it seems that maybe bvckup doesn't detect file renaming / moved files so that it can perform the same operations on the destination, instead of deleting / copying the files anew. SyncToy does that and this means dramatic speed improvement.

george7987 makes some interesting comparisons there


Created a backup job which basically syncs a bunch of big files. I made SyncBack profile so that it's the fastest possible

[EDIT : Need to redo the test to make sure numbers are correct... Sorry  :-[]

As far as performance goes for these operations, there's room for improvement when
- "raw" copying from source to destination
- file and folder renaming in the source

Of course :

- SyncBack or SynToy don't do delta, Bvckup does...
- SyncToy doesn't use VSS, Bvckup does.

[EDIT : note that I'm trying to be constructive here... Bvckup is still beta and free at the moment.  :)]

Edit : Sync Back seems to take care of renaming (both files and folders), File move and , after all... Only for some reasons, it takes longer after the rename for it to take it into account. No idea why. Back in a few minutes... Nope it doesn't  :)
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