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« Last post by 40hz on February 05, 2015, 10:01 AM »Call it a win for 40hz.-Renegade (February 05, 2015, 08:54 AM)
It's not a competition. But thanks. At least I wrote something that wasn't too vague or rambling for once.

But you didn't address the 1st amendment violation. This seems to be a teensy, tiny bit important.
I don't see how there's any way around that.
The judge put a gun to the defense's head and threatened them if they tried a sane defense (speech).
Trying to claim "federal rules of evidence" doesn't address the issue. If anything, it only illustrates the debasement of the first amendment and the criminality of the courts, judges, lawyers, and politicians that are complicit in that crime.-Renegade (February 05, 2015, 08:54 AM)
Um...ok...
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Am I missing something?
Maybe you meant Amendments V through VIII?
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
I don't see anything in any of the above that was clearly (or even obscurely) violated.

Perhaps you're saying that the due process itself is unjust? Well, therein lies the critical difference between what the law actually says - as opposed to what most of us (i.e. non-attorneys) usually think it says or wish it said. As one inexperienced attorney was famously reminded by Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. when his arguments "for justice" ventured a little too far from the actual words of the law: "This is a court of law, young man, not a court of justice."
Something to remember: The United States is a nation built on law. Whatever justice gets accomplished as a result of law is largely incidental.
As one wise individual by the name of Edison Haines so accurately put it: "Law is not justice and a trial is not a scientific inquiry into truth. A trial is the resolution of a dispute."
If it's any consolation, this comes as a complete shock to most Americans too. Especially the ones who first learn about it while facing a judge. It's right up there with the awkward feeling you occasionally experience in the presence of your parents once you're old enough to know (in no uncertain terms!) exactly what your father had to do to your mother in order to bring you into existence.

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Note: I think it was defence attorney (and former federal prosecutor) Ken White of Popehat that had some excellent things to say on this very subject. If I can find it I'll post the link.
Update: Found it! Link here.
In this case it was about a particularly heinous individual getting off (in my state no less!) after committing a frankly hideous crime - not because of a "technicality" - but rather because the trial court correctly followed due process as the law does and should require it to do.
Ken goes on to explain why it is so important that a court behave in such a manner - and why the occasional grave injustice that does occur in the wake of the properly executing "due process of law" is so important in order to prevent even graver injustices from becoming the norm.
And while this one was a 'victory' for the defense side - what happened holds in the same manner for the prosecution under US law. Dame Justice's sword is a two-sided weapon.
Here's an excerpt:
Frankly, I Don't Care How Due Process Makes You Feel
by Ken White · October 9, 2012
I stopped blogging about Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the maker of the "Innocence of Muslims" video. I stopped because (1) I am interested in discussions about what the law is, to the extent that discussion is based on law, (2) I am interested in discussions of what the law should be, (3) I am interested in discussions of how courts work, to the extent those discussions are premised on actual experience and facts, but (4) I am completely uninterested in what people feel the law is, and (5) I am completely uninterested in what people feel happens in courts, frequently based on TV.
Discussions of what the law is based on feelings annoy me. They're about mob rule, not the rule of law...<more>

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