Peter, your post raises some interesting ideas....so let's discuss them. I apologize for the multiple quotes, but you post in an extremely dense, rambling format with not many small sentences and you just said too many things that needed to be addressed.
Well, posting general considerations in a DO fanboy thread was naïve, since it could only be met there with admirers' blah-blah, not addressing the underlying conceptional considerations. So I take the liberty to open a new thread for those, be there some arguments to come or not.-peter.s
I'm just curious as to how you determined that the other thread was a 'fanboy' thread? I was the thread starter & all that was in my starting post was the announcement of the new version along with a list of what's new & the upgrade policy. It was very cut and dry. Also, if you go check out all the responses to that post I think you'll see that there's not a lot of praise. As a matter of fact, most posts were very neutral & some were even negative.
I think you'll find here at DC this is a different type of forum than you may be used to. Its members may take one side or the other, but we're pretty objective overall and discuss any differences of opinion we may have calmly and rationally. I've been a member for years & I've never seen an argument or flame war.
And this means, if you want to profit from this prog, release of a major update is the time the buy (full price, unfortunately, but full price for 3 years' it being up-to-date is better than paying half-price or more just for 10 months, right?).
I'm not sure what point you are are trying to make with your comments on the upgrade policy. You're saying the earlier you buy the more value you'll get before the new version comes out. How is this different than someone who buys a new car every year? Or anything else that releases updates?
Scriptability: Well, that's been offered before, and also from XY, SC and some others. As I said before, I don't see the real value in a given file commander's scriptability, since I've got an AHK macro system which gives me access to almost any "command" I am in need, or just in want, of, from ANY file manager today, and also (here I have got some more work to do, though), from "anywhere where it applies", i.e. it's possible to access the respective file M functions from within another applic, from within there would be an "interest" of having access to the respective file M function, i.e. without switching to your file manager, and then triggering the relevant commands from within there.
So rather than write a script in the file manager's scripting language that is optimized for that environment, you would rather write a script in a generic scripting language that would accomplish the same thing just by a different means? I don't see the benefit in doing things your way & actually see a couple possible pitfalls to doing things your way. At the end of the day, though, you still have to write a script to accomplish the task either way so I'm going to call this a wash.
Why would I have to bother with a file manager, or worse, with a specific file manager, when I can do the work in a much more elegant way?
So rather than use a file manager's built-in abilities you would rather use AHK to re-invent the wheel. That's not smooth at all. That's being stubborn and contrary, IMHO.
Any file manager is an additional access gui to what you want to do, under the hood, so being able to have it done under the hood, without getting by a file manager for that specific task that arises within your REAL task, the one you are doing in your main prog at that time, IS a much more elegant way to do things, with no file manager coming into your way.)
But, you see, I use my file manager to do all my real tasks and it is my main program at all times. My file manager *replaces* Windows Explorer as the way to access everything on my system. My file manager is the one program I use every single day and it is open and running 90% of the time. I may use other programs to create content from time to time, but my file manager is what I use to do everything else on my PC. My file manager does not come into my way. No, it *paves* the way for me to get things done.
And as said, I do such things from ANY file manager even today, so for me, even FC XE does not have any limitation, e.g. compared with X2 (I don't own DO but don't see any additional functionality in there): from both (and several others), I trigger the same AHK commands, instead of relying upon what one file manager might be able to do, and another, not.
Every file manager is different and if you are using the same scripts for FC XE that you would for Directory Opus or Total Commander then you would be under-utilizing DOpus (or Total Commander) then and being extremely inefficient as there is *tons* of things DOpus (and TC) can do that FC XE can't...even with AHK.
I also said this before, general preview, both with XY and DO (i.e. not only for pics), seems to be superior to their competition, but then, in order to be fully functional (and unparalleled), DO's preview pane has to be spiced up with an external add-in that costs (if I remember well) 40 euro, i.e. some 55 dollar.
You must be talking about Quick View Plus. That's an add-on for Windows, not Directory Opus so you can't fault DOpus if it can take advantage of something that's an add-on to the OS itself. Therefore, this point as an argument is invalid, especially since QVP is not needed for DOpus to function head and shoulders above most file managers anyway.
Whilst XY just isn't helpful, DO's lapdogs, in their usual style, even become rude when some paying user (not me) dares to bring up the subject.
What specifics? And more importantly, lapdogs? Really? First the use of the word fanboys and now lapdogs? Sir, I've seen your tactics to rile up the populace elsewhere on the internet, but I fear they will not work here. Everyone here wants to discuss ideas, exchange information, and do it in a calm, respectful manner. I ask that you please do so as well.
...I prefer having the very best tool available for any given task, not some tool from the file manager but which more or less limits what I want to achieve;...
Now I know you aren't a regular user of Directory Opus, or Total Commander for that matter. Why are you discussing imagined shortcomings and lack of want or need for programs you have never used, or at least not used to any great extent?
You will have to build up your own toolbox; by waiting for some perfect toolbox, comprising it all, and delivered to you, at any price you're willing to pay, you'll just grow old - and that includes DO, notwithstanding their snooty pretending otherwise.
And this is near the root of your misguided opinion. You seem to think people buy DOpus, start using it, and that's that...never leaving its safe confines. I can assure you that could not be farther from the truth. I might dare say that DOpus users are more intent on 'building up their own toolbox' of the best of the best programs *and* integrating them into their file manager of choice more than any other group of people I know. Using DOpus' ability to interface and interact with those other programs like they are all one, integrated, meshed environment. No, sir, people don't buy DOpus to use it as their toolbox. They buy DOpus to use it as the glue to hold all the other tools in their toolbox together. If one would put it in programming terms, one could almost think of DOpus as being an IDE that one can use to bring all one's other tools 'under one roof', so to speak.
And now some additional remarks, re that 1001st DO thread:
1001st...ah, another jab. Again, that's not how we do things here.
Any file commander is just INTERFERING, badly or slightly, but interfering, with that "natural workflow" which in most cases, today, has NOT yet been realized for most people.
If your file manager is interfering with your natural workflow you are either using the wrong file manager for you or you aren't using the one you've got efficiently. Using the right file manager for you in the right way for you very well may possibly double or triple your productivity.
One last thing, this site was founded by developers for other developers and for others who appreciate good programs. Coming on here and spouting that developers are not a very creative lot who don't implement things in very inventive ways is going to leave a bad taste in the mouths of a lot of people around these parts.
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